Hi,

Good idea.
From CsoundQt side it is worth of considering - if compiled with rtmidi 
support, the midi handling is done by the host (CsoundQt) and fed to csound 
midi buffer so Csound should not care where the events come in. Not sure yet 
how feasible it is..

tarmo

On neljapäev, 3. jaanuar 2019 0:53.55 EET Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Two thoughts: 1) maybe frontends such as cabbage can implement this. 2) Jack
> MIDI is a solution, you can rewire on the fly.
 
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> 
> On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:56, Anton Kholomiov
> > wrote:
 
> It's sad that contrast to many modern DAW Csound can not reconnect MIDI.
> MIDI cables often become fragile with usage. And it's not unlikely to
> occasionally
 being plugged off during performance. But then there is no
> way to connect it again to the running instance of Csound.
> 
> And rerun Csound means to stop the sound during the concert which is not
> good.
 Or maybe I'm missing something or there is work around?
> 
> 
> Cheers!
> Anton
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Not if it is handled by the frontend, which should be the way it goes.
========================
Prof. Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
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> On 3 Jan 2019, at 17:00, Bernt Isak Wærstad  wrote:
> 
> It would still be a problem for embedded platforms like Bela. We briefly discussed this at the 30th year conference in Maynooth. I thought it was on the feature list for cs7, but I might be wrong. I think it would be very nice to have it as a feature in core Csound
> 
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 12:33, Anton Kholomiov  wrote:
> Thanks for suggestions!
> I feel thatJACK midi should be the best solution
> 
> чт, 3 янв. 2019 г. в 02:08, Tarmo Johannes :
> Hi,
> 
> Good idea.
> From CsoundQt side it is worth of considering - if compiled with rtmidi 
> support, the midi handling is done by the host (CsoundQt) and fed to csound 
> midi buffer so Csound should not care where the events come in. Not sure yet 
> how feasible it is..
> 
> tarmo
> 
> On neljapäev, 3. jaanuar 2019 0:53.55 EET Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> > Two thoughts: 1) maybe frontends such as cabbage can implement this. 2) Jack
> > MIDI is a solution, you can rewire on the fly.
> 
> > Victor Lazzarini
> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> > Maynooth University
> > Ireland
> > 
> > On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:56, Anton Kholomiov
> > > wrote:
> 
> > It's sad that contrast to many modern DAW Csound can not reconnect MIDI.
> > MIDI cables often become fragile with usage. And it's not unlikely to
> > occasionally
>  being plugged off during performance. But then there is no
> > way to connect it again to the running instance of Csound.
> > 
> > And rerun Csound means to stop the sound during the concert which is not
> > good.
>  Or maybe I'm missing something or there is work around?
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers!
> > Anton
> > 
> > Csound mailing list
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> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
> > can be posted here
> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Mvh.
> 
> Bernt Isak Wærstad
> 
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So far I have enjoyed using csound without external frontends, which
tend to have their own learning curve and their own pitfalls.
(They're great, and I look forward to revisiting them, but they're
extra.)

There can be external connection helpers even when there's no external
csound frontend.  The operating system might provide help.

In Linux I can use the snd-virmidi module to create virtual MIDI
devices.  I connect my (e.g.) MIDI keyboard to one virmidi "through".
Then each time I launch csound, I tell it to connect to that virmidi
through, and the connection is re-established, because the connection
from the keyboard to the through never gets broken.  That's helpful
when I'm tweaking hard-coded constants in the csound file and
sequencing instruments from Renoise.  It doesn't rely on JACK MIDI, so
I thought I'd mention it.

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 12:04 PM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>
> Not if it is handled by the frontend, which should be the way it goes.
> ========================
> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>
> > On 3 Jan 2019, at 17:00, Bernt Isak Wærstad  wrote:
> >
> > It would still be a problem for embedded platforms like Bela. We briefly discussed this at the 30th year conference in Maynooth. I thought it was on the feature list for cs7, but I might be wrong. I think it would be very nice to have it as a feature in core Csound
> >
> > On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 12:33, Anton Kholomiov  wrote:
> > Thanks for suggestions!
> > I feel thatJACK midi should be the best solution
> >
> > чт, 3 янв. 2019 г. в 02:08, Tarmo Johannes :
> > Hi,
> >
> > Good idea.
> > From CsoundQt side it is worth of considering - if compiled with rtmidi
> > support, the midi handling is done by the host (CsoundQt) and fed to csound
> > midi buffer so Csound should not care where the events come in. Not sure yet
> > how feasible it is..
> >
> > tarmo
> >
> > On neljapäev, 3. jaanuar 2019 0:53.55 EET Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> > > Two thoughts: 1) maybe frontends such as cabbage can implement this. 2) Jack
> > > MIDI is a solution, you can rewire on the fly.
> >
> > > Victor Lazzarini
> > > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> > > Maynooth University
> > > Ireland
> > >
> > > On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:56, Anton Kholomiov
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > It's sad that contrast to many modern DAW Csound can not reconnect MIDI.
> > > MIDI cables often become fragile with usage. And it's not unlikely to
> > > occasionally
> >  being plugged off during performance. But then there is no
> > > way to connect it again to the running instance of Csound.
> > >
> > > And rerun Csound means to stop the sound during the concert which is not
> > > good.
> >  Or maybe I'm missing something or there is work around?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > > Anton
> > >
> > > Csound mailing list
> > > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
> > > can be posted here
> >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Mvh.
> >
> > Bernt Isak Wærstad
> >
> >
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thanks!
	j



On 03/01/19 18:54, Ed Cashin wrote:
> So far I have enjoyed using csound without external frontends, which
> tend to have their own learning curve and their own pitfalls.
> (They're great, and I look forward to revisiting them, but they're
> extra.)
>
> There can be external connection helpers even when there's no external
> csound frontend.  The operating system might provide help.
>
> In Linux I can use the snd-virmidi module to create virtual MIDI
> devices.  I connect my (e.g.) MIDI keyboard to one virmidi "through".
> Then each time I launch csound, I tell it to connect to that virmidi
> through, and the connection is re-established, because the connection
> from the keyboard to the through never gets broken.  That's helpful
> when I'm tweaking hard-coded constants in the csound file and
> sequencing instruments from Renoise.  It doesn't rely on JACK MIDI, so
> I thought I'd mention it.
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 12:04 PM Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>
>> Not if it is handled by the frontend, which should be the way it goes.
>> ========================
>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>> Maynooth University,
>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>
>>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 17:00, Bernt Isak Wærstad  wrote:
>>>
>>> It would still be a problem for embedded platforms like Bela. We briefly discussed this at the 30th year conference in Maynooth. I thought it was on the feature list for cs7, but I might be wrong. I think it would be very nice to have it as a feature in core Csound
>>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 12:33, Anton Kholomiov  wrote:
>>> Thanks for suggestions!
>>> I feel thatJACK midi should be the best solution
>>>
>>> чт, 3 янв. 2019 г. в 02:08, Tarmo Johannes :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Good idea.
>>> From CsoundQt side it is worth of considering - if compiled with rtmidi
>>> support, the midi handling is done by the host (CsoundQt) and fed to csound
>>> midi buffer so Csound should not care where the events come in. Not sure yet
>>> how feasible it is..
>>>
>>> tarmo
>>>
>>> On neljapäev, 3. jaanuar 2019 0:53.55 EET Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>> Two thoughts: 1) maybe frontends such as cabbage can implement this. 2) Jack
>>>> MIDI is a solution, you can rewire on the fly.
>>>
>>>> Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
>>>> Maynooth University
>>>> Ireland
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Jan 2019, at 21:56, Anton Kholomiov
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's sad that contrast to many modern DAW Csound can not reconnect MIDI.
>>>> MIDI cables often become fragile with usage. And it's not unlikely to
>>>> occasionally
>>>  being plugged off during performance. But then there is no
>>>> way to connect it again to the running instance of Csound.
>>>>
>>>> And rerun Csound means to stop the sound during the concert which is not
>>>> good.
>>>  Or maybe I'm missing something or there is work around?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Anton
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>>> can be posted here
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mvh.
>>>
>>> Bernt Isak Wærstad
>>>
>>>
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Thanks for your post, Ed. I feel the same way about frontends.

And the tips about Jack are good to know. I haven't yet used snd-virmidi but I'm gonna check into it.

brian

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 12:54:59 -0500, Ed Cashin wrote:

So far I have enjoyed using csound without external frontends, which
tend to have their own learning curve and their own pitfalls.
(They're great, and I look forward to revisiting them, but they're
extra.)

There can be external connection helpers even when there's no external
csound frontend.  The operating system might provide help.

In Linux I can use the snd-virmidi module to create virtual MIDI
devices.  I connect my (e.g.) MIDI keyboard to one virmidi "through".
Then each time I launch csound, I tell it to connect to that virmidi
through, and the connection is re-established, because the connection
from the keyboard to the through never gets broken.  That's helpful
when I'm tweaking hard-coded constants in the csound file and
sequencing instruments from Renoise.  It doesn't rely on JACK MIDI, so
I thought I'd mention it.