Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?

Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?

Date	2018-08-18 03:25
From	Partev Barr Sarkissian
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	I got the impression that Faust (and PD) tends to go together with STK (used at CCRMA). Not certain how well these would play nice or not with one another. -PBS ===================================== --- mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT wrote: From: Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:00:20 +0200 Hi, I learned from Michael Gogins that in Csound there are some opcodes to compile just-in-time and to run an instance of a compiled Faust program... I was so excited about the possibilities: you could write in a few minutes fast new opcodes without having to write and compile true Csound plugins (think about all those UDO that require to set ksmps=1 inside them, because they have to do sample-by-sample computations, how much they could benefit from this)! So, for testing, I wanted to compare the execution time of the "biquad" native Csound opcode with a Faust equivalent implementation JIT-compiled at run-time. I wrote my Faust version of 'biquad' (I know that Faust standard library already has a biquad implementation, but I took the opportunity to learn the Faust language) and then I wrote a Csound program to test it but... I discovered that, at least on Windows, the last official Csound binary (v6.11) doesn't support the Faust opcodes at all! If I do a 'csound -z' to list all the supported opcodes, there is no trace of faustaudio, faustgen, faustcompile, etc. ... But in the Csound reference docs there is nothing that suggests that Faust opcodes are not builded in the official release... Is this a bug? Best Regards, Mauro Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 09:17
From	Mauro Giubileo
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	Do you mean there could be licensing problems with Csound? Faust uses LGPL and STK licenses. The STK license is one of the least restrictive licenses I have ever seen, so I don't think there could be a problem. I think that the unavailability of Faust opcodes inside the current Windows build of Csound could be just a bug... Mauro Il 2018-08-18 04:25 Partev Barr Sarkissian ha scritto: I got the impression that Faust (and PD) tends to go together with STK (used at CCRMA). Not certain how well these would play nice or not with one another. -PBS ===================================== --- mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT wrote: From: Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:00:20 +0200 Hi, I learned from Michael Gogins that in Csound there are some opcodes to compile just-in-time and to run an instance of a compiled Faust program... I was so excited about the possibilities: you could write in a few minutes fast new opcodes without having to write and compile true Csound plugins (think about all those UDO that require to set ksmps=1 inside them, because they have to do sample-by-sample computations, how much they could benefit from this)! So, for testing, I wanted to compare the execution time of the "biquad" native Csound opcode with a Faust equivalent implementation JIT-compiled at run-time. I wrote my Faust version of 'biquad' (I know that Faust standard library already has a biquad implementation, but I took the opportunity to learn the Faust language) and then I wrote a Csound program to test it but... I discovered that, at least on Windows, the last official Csound binary (v6.11) doesn't support the Faust opcodes at all! If I do a 'csound -z' to list all the supported opcodes, there is no trace of faustaudio, faustgen, faustcompile, etc. ... But in the Csound reference docs there is nothing that suggests that Faust opcodes are not builded in the official release... Is this a bug? Best Regards, Mauro Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 09:27
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	What 'official build'? They are distributed on MacOS. On Linux, they can be built from sources. On Windows, they are not in the package, as no one has looked into how to build them. The dependencies are libfaust and LLVM. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 18 Aug 2018, at 09:17, Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> wrote: Do you mean there could be licensing problems with Csound? Faust uses LGPL and STK licenses. The STK license is one of the least restrictive licenses I have ever seen, so I don't think there could be a problem. I think that the unavailability of Faust opcodes inside the current Windows build of Csound could be just a bug... Mauro Il 2018-08-18 04:25 Partev Barr Sarkissian ha scritto: I got the impression that Faust (and PD) tends to go together with STK (used at CCRMA). Not certain how well these would play nice or not with one another. -PBS ===================================== --- mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT wrote: From: Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:00:20 +0200 Hi, I learned from Michael Gogins that in Csound there are some opcodes to compile just-in-time and to run an instance of a compiled Faust program... I was so excited about the possibilities: you could write in a few minutes fast new opcodes without having to write and compile true Csound plugins (think about all those UDO that require to set ksmps=1 inside them, because they have to do sample-by-sample computations, how much they could benefit from this)! So, for testing, I wanted to compare the execution time of the "biquad" native Csound opcode with a Faust equivalent implementation JIT-compiled at run-time. I wrote my Faust version of 'biquad' (I know that Faust standard library already has a biquad implementation, but I took the opportunity to learn the Faust language) and then I wrote a Csound program to test it but... I discovered that, at least on Windows, the last official Csound binary (v6.11) doesn't support the Faust opcodes at all! If I do a 'csound -z' to list all the supported opcodes, there is no trace of faustaudio, faustgen, faustcompile, etc. ... But in the Csound reference docs there is nothing that suggests that Faust opcodes are not builded in the official release... Is this a bug? Best Regards, Mauro Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 10:33
From	Mauro Giubileo
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	For "official build" I meant the Csound package already compiled in binary form and ready to use for a certain platform (Windows in my case). I download them from here: https://csound.com/download.html So, from your answer I understand that Faust opcodes are not builded inside the actual Windows compiled package but only in the MacOS one. Are there instructions on how to build a Windows version with them included? Regards, Mauro Il 2018-08-18 10:27 Victor Lazzarini ha scritto: What 'official build'? They are distributed on MacOS. On Linux, they can be built from sources. On Windows, they are not in the package, as no one has looked into how to build them. The dependencies are libfaust and LLVM. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 18 Aug 2018, at 09:17, Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> wrote: Do you mean there could be licensing problems with Csound? Faust uses LGPL and STK licenses. The STK license is one of the least restrictive licenses I have ever seen, so I don't think there could be a problem. I think that the unavailability of Faust opcodes inside the current Windows build of Csound could be just a bug... Mauro Il 2018-08-18 04:25 Partev Barr Sarkissian ha scritto: I got the impression that Faust (and PD) tends to go together with STK (used at CCRMA). Not certain how well these would play nice or not with one another. -PBS ===================================== --- mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT wrote: From: Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:00:20 +0200 Hi, I learned from Michael Gogins that in Csound there are some opcodes to compile just-in-time and to run an instance of a compiled Faust program... I was so excited about the possibilities: you could write in a few minutes fast new opcodes without having to write and compile true Csound plugins (think about all those UDO that require to set ksmps=1 inside them, because they have to do sample-by-sample computations, how much they could benefit from this)! So, for testing, I wanted to compare the execution time of the "biquad" native Csound opcode with a Faust equivalent implementation JIT-compiled at run-time. I wrote my Faust version of 'biquad' (I know that Faust standard library already has a biquad implementation, but I took the opportunity to learn the Faust language) and then I wrote a Csound program to test it but... I discovered that, at least on Windows, the last official Csound binary (v6.11) doesn't support the Faust opcodes at all! If I do a 'csound -z' to list all the supported opcodes, there is no trace of faustaudio, faustgen, faustcompile, etc. ... But in the Csound reference docs there is nothing that suggests that Faust opcodes are not builded in the official release... Is this a bug? Best Regards, Mauro Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 13:33
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	There are no instructions for Windows, but they depend on the Csound headers and faustlib being present. Faustlib itself depends on LLVM. I am not sure how these things are built on Windows, but on Unix-like systems 1) Download, build and install LLVM 2) Download, build and install faustlib 3) Download and build Csound. The CMake script should find faustlib, if not you will need to adjust the faust header and/or lib paths before running it again. best ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 18 Aug 2018, at 10:33, Mauro Giubileo wrote: > > For "official build" I meant the Csound package already compiled in binary form and ready to use for a certain platform (Windows in my case). I download them from here: https://csound.com/download.html > > So, from your answer I understand that Faust opcodes are not builded inside the actual Windows compiled package but only in the MacOS one. Are there instructions on how to build a Windows version with them included? > > Regards, > Mauro > > > > Il 2018-08-18 10:27 Victor Lazzarini ha scritto: > >> What 'official build'? They are distributed on MacOS. On Linux, they can be built from sources. On Windows, they are not in the >> package, as no one has looked into how >> to build them. The dependencies are libfaust and LLVM. >> >> Victor Lazzarini >> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy >> Maynooth University >> Ireland >> >> On 18 Aug 2018, at 09:17, Mauro Giubileo wrote: >>> Do you mean there could be licensing problems with Csound? Faust uses LGPL and STK licenses. The STK license is one of the least restrictive licenses I have ever seen, so I don't think there could be a problem. >>> >>> I think that the unavailability of Faust opcodes inside the current Windows build of Csound could be just a bug... >>> >>> Mauro >>> >>> >>> >>> Il 2018-08-18 04:25 Partev Barr Sarkissian ha scritto: >>> >>> >>> I got the impression that Faust (and PD) tends to go together with STK (used at CCRMA). >>> Not certain how well these would play nice or not with one another. >>> >>> >>> >>> -PBS >>> >>> >>> ===================================== >>> >>> --- mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT wrote: >>> >>> From: Mauro Giubileo >>> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE >>> Subject: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build? >>> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:00:20 +0200 >>> >>> Hi, I learned from Michael Gogins that in Csound there are some opcodes to compile just-in-time and to run an instance of a compiled Faust program... I was so excited about the possibilities: you could write in a few minutes fast new opcodes without having to write and compile true Csound plugins (think about all those UDO that require to set ksmps=1 inside them, because they have to do sample-by-sample computations, how much they could benefit from this)! >>> >>> So, for testing, I wanted to compare the execution time of the "biquad" native Csound opcode with a Faust equivalent implementation JIT-compiled at run-time. I wrote my Faust version of 'biquad' (I know that Faust standard library already has a biquad implementation, but I took the opportunity to learn the Faust language) and then I wrote a Csound program to test it but... >>> >>> I discovered that, at least on Windows, the last official Csound binary (v6.11) doesn't support the Faust opcodes at all! If I do a 'csound -z' to list all the supported opcodes, there is no trace of faustaudio, faustgen, faustcompile, etc. ... But in the Csound reference docs there is nothing that suggests that Faust opcodes are not builded in the official release... Is this a bug? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Mauro >>> >>> >>> >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> >>> Netscape. Just the Net You Need. >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 14:07
From	luis jure
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	el 2018-08-18 a las 12:33 Victor Lazzarini escribió: > 2) Download, build and install faustlib do you mean this?: https://github.com/grame-cncm/faust -- Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 14:28
From	Mauro Giubileo
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	Thanks, I will try... Regards, Mauro Il 2018-08-18 14:33 Victor Lazzarini ha scritto: There are no instructions for Windows, but they depend on the Csound headers and faustlib being present. Faustlib itself depends on LLVM. I am not sure how these things are built on Windows, but on Unix-like systems 1) Download, build and install LLVM 2) Download, build and install faustlib 3) Download and build Csound. The CMake script should find faustlib, if not you will need to adjust the faust header and/or lib paths before running it again. best ======================== Prof. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 On 18 Aug 2018, at 10:33, Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> wrote: For "official build" I meant the Csound package already compiled in binary form and ready to use for a certain platform (Windows in my case). I download them from here: https://csound.com/download.html So, from your answer I understand that Faust opcodes are not builded inside the actual Windows compiled package but only in the MacOS one. Are there instructions on how to build a Windows version with them included? Regards, Mauro Il 2018-08-18 10:27 Victor Lazzarini ha scritto: What 'official build'? They are distributed on MacOS. On Linux, they can be built from sources. On Windows, they are not in the package, as no one has looked into how to build them. The dependencies are libfaust and LLVM. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland On 18 Aug 2018, at 09:17, Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> wrote: Do you mean there could be licensing problems with Csound? Faust uses LGPL and STK licenses. The STK license is one of the least restrictive licenses I have ever seen, so I don't think there could be a problem. I think that the unavailability of Faust opcodes inside the current Windows build of Csound could be just a bug... Mauro Il 2018-08-18 04:25 Partev Barr Sarkissian ha scritto: I got the impression that Faust (and PD) tends to go together with STK (used at CCRMA). Not certain how well these would play nice or not with one another. -PBS ===================================== --- mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT wrote: From: Mauro Giubileo <mgiubileo@COMPUTERALTAFED.IT> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Subject: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build? Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:00:20 +0200 Hi, I learned from Michael Gogins that in Csound there are some opcodes to compile just-in-time and to run an instance of a compiled Faust program... I was so excited about the possibilities: you could write in a few minutes fast new opcodes without having to write and compile true Csound plugins (think about all those UDO that require to set ksmps=1 inside them, because they have to do sample-by-sample computations, how much they could benefit from this)! So, for testing, I wanted to compare the execution time of the "biquad" native Csound opcode with a Faust equivalent implementation JIT-compiled at run-time. I wrote my Faust version of 'biquad' (I know that Faust standard library already has a biquad implementation, but I took the opportunity to learn the Faust language) and then I wrote a Csound program to test it but... I discovered that, at least on Windows, the last official Csound binary (v6.11) doesn't support the Faust opcodes at all! If I do a 'csound -z' to list all the supported opcodes, there is no trace of faustaudio, faustgen, faustcompile, etc. ... But in the Csound reference docs there is nothing that suggests that Faust opcodes are not builded in the official release... Is this a bug? Best Regards, Mauro Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Netscape. Just the Net You Need. Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2018-08-18 14:54
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: [Csnd] Why faust opcodes are not present in the official build?
	yes, that one. There may be some binary packages for some linux distros. Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy Maynooth University Ireland > On 18 Aug 2018, at 14:07, luis jure wrote: > >> el 2018-08-18 a las 12:33 Victor Lazzarini escribió: >> >> 2) Download, build and install faustlib > > do you mean this?: > > https://github.com/grame-cncm/faust > > > > > -- > > Csound mailing list > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND > Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here