Re: orc/sco errors

Date	1997-11-17 08:23
From	Gabriel Maldonado
Subject	Re: orc/sco errors
	David Densmore wrote: > I run both Linux and Win 95 and I couldn't the TB-303 to execute > on either version. > > Josep Comajuncosas mailed me the orc/sco pair as an attached zipfile > and they ran fine. I think it is always better to mail orc/sco examples and code in general as an attached file instead of copying the code into the body of a message. Better if zipped. -- Gabriel Maldonado mailto:g.maldonado@agora.stm.it http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/7041/home2.htm

Date	1997-11-18 13:17
From	jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
Subject	Re: orc/sco errors
	>>>>> "Gabriel" == Gabriel Maldonado writes: Gabriel> David Densmore wrote: >> I run both Linux and Win 95 and I couldn't the TB-303 to execute >> on either version. >> >> Josep Comajuncosas mailed me the orc/sco pair as an attached zipfile >> and they ran fine. Gabriel> I think it is always better to mail orc/sco examples and code in general Gabriel> as an attached file instead of copying the code into the body of a Gabriel> message. Better if zipped. No please. Attachments are the invention of the devil. Not all my machines can read them, and not all machines can deal with zipped files -- indeed the name is used for two different formats. Orchestras/scores are text and should remain as text so they can be read. Attachments and zips means that I for one will not be able to read them ==John ff Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18541; 18 Nov 97 16:22 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23980; 18 Nov 97 16:22 GMT Received: (qmail 19622 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 16:22:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 16:22:13 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA22534); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:08:59 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:08:35 GMT Received: from aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de [132.252.180.228] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA02443); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:08:28 GMT Received: from FILA (khalid@ascend173.extern.uni-essen.de [132.252.240.173]) by aixrs1.hrz.uni-essen.de (8.8.5/8.7) with SMTP id RAA29678 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:11:25 +0100 Message-Id: <3471BE38.1222A721@uni-essen.de> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 17:11:36 +0100 From: Khalid X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: orc/sco errors References: <346FFEFF.AF3E8405@agora.stm.it> <199711181317.NAA13843@hermes> <3471BDE1.365D7F86@uni-essen.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > (...) Attachments are the invention of the devil. I don't see a use in attachements either. I don't think anybody would attach a file to a mail just for a 10 line orc/sco. So attachments will probably just make communication more difficult. I don't see it an advantage that you cannot read the code along with the mail in a simple way. Besides, anyone may mail to anybody of the list using attachments without using the list directly. Line wraps aren't difficult to fix anyway, and the avarage size of the example orc/sco pairs are way too small to make compression really usefull. There are some hundred contras more still to be uttered, but I'll stop it for today, khalid Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18703; 18 Nov 97 17:05 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa26487; 18 Nov 97 17:05 GMT Received: (qmail 27855 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 17:05:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 17:05:29 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA18288); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:50:29 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:50:07 GMT Received: from phonos.upf.es [193.145.44.21] by hermes via SMTP (QAA21563); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:49:51 GMT Received: from phonos2 by phonos.upf.es (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA09573; Tue, 18 Nov 97 18:41:19 +0100 Message-Id: <9711181741.AA09573@phonos.upf.es> Received: by phonos2.upf.es (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA00385; Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:41:18 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Marc Sola Subirats Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:41:16 GMT To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: BUTTERBR Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Csounders, I am relatively new in Csound and in the list, I = am trying to equalize a soundfile using butterbp and butterbr but = I don't understand how it functions because butterbp seems to work = good enought but butterbr seems to work but do nothing,compiling I = don't have any error but I can't hear any difference between the = unprocessed and the processed soundfile. Anyone can explain me what I am doing wrong? Thanks. ;--------------Equalizer.orc ------------------------------------ sr=3D 44100 kr=3D4410 ksmps=3D 10 nchnls=3D1 instr 1 idur=3Dp3 iamp=3Dp4 iskiptime=3Dp5 iattack=3Dp6 irelease=3Dp7 ifile=3Dp8 icf1=3D p9 ibw1=3Dp10 icf2=3D p11 ibw2=3D p12 asig1 soundin p8,p5=20 ;afilt01 butterbr asig1,icf1,ibw1 ;butterbp works fine ;afilt02 butterbr asig1,icf2,ibw2 afilt01 butterbr asig1,icf1,ibw1 ;butterbr don.t seems to work afilt02 butterbr asig1,icf2,ibw2 afilt1b balance afilt01,asig1 afilt2b balance afilt02,asig1 afilters=3D(afilt1b+afilt2b)/2 out afilters endin ;---------------------- Equalizer.sco ---------------------------- ; instr( p1 ) start( p2 ) dur( p3 ) amp( p4 ) skip( p5 ) atk( = p6 )=20 i1 0 20 1 0 .03 = =20 ;rel( p7 ) ifile( p8 ) centerfreq1( p9 ) bandwidth1( p10 ) = centerfreq2( p11 )=20 .1 0 1000 100 = 2000 ;bandwidth2 ( p12 )=20 100 e Marc Sola msola@phonos.upf.es http://phonos.upf.es/~msola= Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18734; 18 Nov 97 17:11 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa26652; 18 Nov 97 17:11 GMT Received: (qmail 28691 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 17:11:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 17:11:18 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA12983); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:51:19 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 16:50:56 GMT Received: from phonos.upf.es [193.145.44.21] by hermes via SMTP (QAA00965); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:50:45 GMT Received: from phonos2 by phonos.upf.es (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA09577; Tue, 18 Nov 97 18:42:24 +0100 Message-Id: <9711181742.AA09577@phonos.upf.es> Received: by phonos2.upf.es (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA00391; Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:42:23 GMT Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2.RR) From: Marc Sola Subirats Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 17:42:22 GMT To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: BUTTERBR Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Csounders, I am relatively new in Csound and in the list, I am trying to equalize a soundfile using butterbp and butterbr but I don't understand how it functions because butterbp seems to work good enought but butterbr seems to work but do nothing,compiling I don't have any error but I can't hear any difference between the unprocessed and the processed soundfile. Anyone can explain me what I am doing wrong? Thanks. ;--------------Equalizer.orc ------------------------------------ sr= 44100 kr=4410 ksmps= 10 nchnls=1 instr 1 idur=p3 iamp=p4 iskiptime=p5 iattack=p6 irelease=p7 ifile=p8 icf1= p9 ibw1=p10 icf2= p11 ibw2= p12 asig1 soundin p8,p5 ;afilt01 butterbr asig1,icf1,ibw1 ;butterbp works fine ;afilt02 butterbr asig1,icf2,ibw2 afilt01 butterbr asig1,icf1,ibw1 ;butterbr don.t seems to work afilt02 butterbr asig1,icf2,ibw2 afilt1b balance afilt01,asig1 afilt2b balance afilt02,asig1 afilters=(afilt1b+afilt2b)/2 out afilters endin ;---------------------- Equalizer.sco ---------------------------- ; instr( p1 ) start( p2 ) dur( p3 ) amp( p4 ) skip( p5 ) atk( p6 ) i1 0 20 1 0 .03 ;rel( p7 ) ifile( p8 ) centerfreq1( p9 ) bandwidth1( p10 ) centerfreq2( p11 ) .1 0 1000 100 2000 ;bandwidth2 ( p12 ) 100 e Marc Sola msola@phonos.upf.es http://phonos.upf.es/~msola Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18845; 18 Nov 97 18:00 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28223; 18 Nov 97 18:03 GMT Received: (qmail 5647 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:03:03 -0000 Received: from agora.stm.it (195.62.32.1) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:03:03 -0000 Received: from default (ppp02-24.stm.it [195.62.37.88]) by agora.stm.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01131; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:02:36 +0100 (ITA) Message-ID: <3471D659.D92686E0@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:54:33 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk CC: csound@noether.ex.AC.UK Subject: Re: orc/sco errors X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <346FFEFF.AF3E8405@agora.stm.it> <199711181317.NAA13843@hermes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > Gabriel> I think it is always better to mail orc/sco examples and code > in general > Gabriel> as an attached file instead of copying the code into the body > of a > Gabriel> message. Better if zipped. > > No please. Attachments are the invention of the devil. Not all my > machines can read them, and not all machines can deal with zipped > files -- indeed the name is used for two different formats. > Orchestras/scores are text and should remain as text so they can be > read. Attachments and zips means that I for one will not be able to > read them > > ==John ff sorry, I ignored this fact, the problem is message formatting (initial spaces and tabs) are lost with many email programs. -- Gabriel Maldonado mailto:g.maldonado@agora.stm.it http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/7041/home2.htm Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18909; 18 Nov 97 18:20 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28795; 18 Nov 97 18:22 GMT Received: (qmail 7539 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA08734); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:01:04 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 18:00:42 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA17642); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:00:28 GMT Received: from default (ppp02-24.stm.it [195.62.37.88]) by agora.stm.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01131; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:02:36 +0100 (ITA) Message-Id: <3471D659.D92686E0@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:54:33 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: orc/sco errors X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <346FFEFF.AF3E8405@agora.stm.it> <199711181317.NAA13843@hermes> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > Gabriel> I think it is always better to mail orc/sco examples and code > in general > Gabriel> as an attached file instead of copying the code into the body > of a > Gabriel> message. Better if zipped. > > No please. Attachments are the invention of the devil. Not all my > machines can read them, and not all machines can deal with zipped > files -- indeed the name is used for two different formats. > Orchestras/scores are text and should remain as text so they can be > read. Attachments and zips means that I for one will not be able to > read them > > ==John ff sorry, I ignored this fact, the problem is message formatting (initial spaces and tabs) are lost with many email programs. -- Gabriel Maldonado mailto:g.maldonado@agora.stm.it http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/7041/home2.htm Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18923; 18 Nov 97 18:27 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28984; 18 Nov 97 18:29 GMT Received: (qmail 8223 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:29:20 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA14635); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:20:52 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 18:20:35 GMT Received: from central.cnet.com [204.162.81.10] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA06593); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:20:28 GMT Received: from [204.162.82.181] (82-181.cnet.com [204.162.82.181]) by central.cnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA01985 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:22:29 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199711181822.KAA01985@central.cnet.com> Subject: irix Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 10:23:05 -0800 X-Sender: everettc@central.cnet.com X-Mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0 x49, February 10, 1997 From: Everett Campbell To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Look, I am super sorry to put this out again if you all have seen it, but for some reason I was never subscribed to the list. I really want to run Csound on an O2, irix 6.3 -- but... I have installed it before on 5.3, and it ran beautifully. Unfortunately now, I can.t seem to get the app to run. Does the 5.3 compile not run under 6.3 or does no one even know? I looked all around, at the different ftp sites and such, but no where could I find a 6.3 "approved" version. Does anyone know where one is? or might there be something extra I need to do this time to get csound to executable form? special thanks, Everett Campbell Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18947; 18 Nov 97 18:37 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29245; 18 Nov 97 18:39 GMT Received: (qmail 9095 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 18:39:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 18:39:36 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA02042); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:31:14 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 18:30:50 GMT Received: from MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.30] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA11515); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:30:41 GMT Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.70]) by jason.MAGELLAN.UMontreal.CA with ESMTP id NAA21224 (8.6.11/IDA-1.6); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:32:04 -0500 Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.73]) by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28747; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:31:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pichej@localhost) by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA28233; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:31:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:31:50 -0500 (EST) From: Piche Jean Subject: Re: irix To: Everett Campbell Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199711181822.KAA01985@central.cnet.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > I really want to run Csound on an O2, irix 6.3 -- but... > I have installed it before on 5.3, and it ran beautifully. > Unfortunately now, I can.t seem to get the app to run. > Does the 5.3 compile not run under 6.3 or does no one even know? > I looked all around, at the different ftp sites and such, but no > where could I find a 6.3 "approved" version. ftp://ftp.musique.umontreal.ca/pub/CsoundIRIX6.2.gz ready to go.. on 6.3 as well. You may wish to get the sources and recompile on the O2 for some performance gains.. _____________________________________________________________________________ Jean Piche Musique - UdM pichej@ERE.Umontreal.ca Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19395; 18 Nov 97 20:43 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01927; 18 Nov 97 20:46 GMT Received: (qmail 18845 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 20:46:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 20:46:16 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (UAA09853); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:34:21 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 20:34:05 GMT Received: from Thuban.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.53.8] by hermes via ESMTP (UAA23429); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:33:56 GMT Received: from [134.173.38.61] (Spjut.Eng.HMC.Edu) by THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #18017) with ESMTP id <01IQ5LQNE44M9OKBFU@THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU> for csound@maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:36:30 PST Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:37:30 -0800 From: Erik Spjut Subject: Re: BUTTERBR In-Reply-To: <9711181741.AA09573@phonos.upf.es> X-Sender: spjut@thuban.ac.hmc.edu To: Marc Sola Subirats , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 5:41 PM +0000 11/18/97, Marc Sola Subirats wrote: >butterbr seems to work but do nothing,compiling I don't have any error but >I can't hear any difference between the unprocessed and the processed >soundfile. >Anyone can explain me what I am doing wrong? Band block filters are extremely subtle in their audible effect. I just did a demo this morning to a signal processing class. Highpass, Lowpass, and Bandpass are easy to hear but Bandreject is very difficult. Try the folloing .orc and .sco: ORC: sr = 44100 kr = 44100 ksmps = 1 nchnls = 1 instr 1 kfreq expseg 5p4,p3/2,0.9p4,p3/2,5p4 a1 oscil 20000, p4, 1 a2 butterbr a1, kfreq, kfreq/5 out a2 endin SCO: f1 0 16384 10 1 1 1 1 i1 0 30 220 There are only four harmonics so you should be able to hear as each one is blocked out. Even here it is subtle unless you're very used to listening to individual harmonics. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Spjut (rhymes with cute) - Acting Director,The Center for Design Education and/or Associate Professor of Engineering Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 USA Erik_Spjut@hmc.edu Ph & Voice mail (909) 607-3890 Fax (909) 621-8967 Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19736; 18 Nov 97 23:38 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04824; 18 Nov 97 23:38 GMT Received: (qmail 573 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1997 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 18 Nov 1997 23:38:26 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA10412); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:26 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Tue, 18 Nov 97 23:31:09 GMT Received: from talisker.pact.srf.ac.uk [193.37.225.1] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA02939); Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:02 GMT Received: (from rwd@localhost) by talisker.pact.srf.ac.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA16858; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:25 GMT From: Richard Dobson Message-Id: <199711182331.XAA16858@talisker.pact.srf.ac.uk> Subject: Re: 32-bit float AIFF To: Reid Sweatman Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:31:25 +0000 (GMT) Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <01BCF36A.E408DBC0.Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu> from "Reid Sweatman" at Nov 17, 97 03:10:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reid Sweatman wrote: > On Monday, November 17, 1997 10:57 AM, Richard Dobson [SMTP:rwd@pact.srf.ac.uk] wrote: > > > Microsoft have announced an official 32bit float format for WAVE files - > > WVAE_IEEE_FLOAT (=3) > > > > I assume the WAVEFORMATEX header is required (with the extra bytes > > field), and that the 'fact' chunk is also required, as for all non-PCM > > formats. > > > > Sonic Foundry describe the format in their documentation for the SoundForge > > ActiveMovie plugin SDK which they have developed (available from their > > website). > > > > I have implemented this for some CDP programs, but cannot test it properly > > in the absence of another application which supports it for reading and > > writing files. > > > > All other things being equal, it should be easy to add support for this format to > > Csound. > > > > Richard Dobson > > The new version of Cool Edit, Cool Edit Pro, supports the new floating-point format. Yes, I have tried it (well, the demo version), and it confirms my format is OK - yippee. A pity that Cool Pro will not display the sample value at the cursor, though - am I alone in finding that a useful, nay necessary facility? BTW: at least in the earlier incarnations of Cool, the WAVE parsing is a little sketchy - it will accept a file of N channels, and display it as stereo. This could ~just possibly~ be useful to look at a Csound 4channel file, but if I give Cool a 1024-channel pvoc file it attempts (I presume) to create that many buffers and crashes spectacularly. It also crashes when it tries to write a WAV file with a large header (CDP style). Cool95 was OK in this respect - I was told by Syntrillium that they changed the header reading code to cater for users of buggy CD-ROM writing software!!!! Richard Dobson Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20023; 19 Nov 97 2:25 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07570; 19 Nov 97 2:25 GMT Received: (qmail 7437 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 02:25:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 02:25:53 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA10423); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:14:48 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 97 02:14:31 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27] by hermes via SMTP (CAA18509); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:14:24 GMT Received: from dingy.demon.co.uk ([194.222.18.29]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2002823; 19 Nov 97 2:08 GMT From: Dave Perry To: CSound Subject: New Visorc beta release now available Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:00:09 +0100 Message-Id: <01bcd98b$cb84f0a0$1d12dec2@dingy.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCD994.2D4958A0" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCD994.2D4958A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new beta version of visorc is available for testing by members of = the CSound mailing list at ftp://pc8psyc.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/Visual_Orchestra I will hopefully have a US website up soon. I have been using this version of VisOrc to compose during the last few = weeks (Its basicaly the first time I've really used the program) and = have produced some interesting results. Below is a list of additional = notes on problems encountered and some work around solutions. Firstly the bugs... Problem : Error reported when trying to save instrument. Cause : Name of instrument contains a colon characted eg "Untitled:2" Solution : This is a problem when you use more than one instrument as = VisOrc automaticaly names instruments using the format "Untitled:x". = This is not a fatal crash, you can rename the instrument and resave. Problem : Fatal DOS4GW error when compiling Cause : Seems to be caused by certain versions of Csound Solution : Use Gabriel Maldonado's version of Csound, at the moment = VisOrc Requires this version, future releases should be more flexible. Problem : Cannot delete Operator units Cause : Inefficient and convoluted coding Solution : Don't delete them and watch out for the next version=20 Problem : Compiler does not seem to produce WAV files Cause : Because VisOrc cannot detect when CSound finishes compiling it = does not know when to update the file listbox in the compiler. Solution : Click on the directory listing when Csound finishes and the = file appears Problem : IF units Cause : not tested Solution : Please test them Problem : I use the score formula but It does not seem to affect my = notes Cause : Formula only works on notes you input after activating the = formula Solution : Wait for the Score functions ++++++ Other bits and pieces You cannot delete Pfields once you have created them, only reassign = them Only 6 pfields per instrument in this release I'm afraid The score is pretty shaky at the moment, It works OK if you use it in a = particular way (Ie. the way I tend to use it) but as there is no real = documentation at the moment to explain, I expect people to have lots of = problems with it or simply ignore it. On this point, if you do not enter any notes in the score, the = instrument plays a default note of 6 seconds. Lots and lots of little (and big) things missing... I really only learnt Csound while programming VisOrc so you might notice = how a feature of Csound you find useful or even absolutely essential has = been left out. This is simply because I haven't had time to find out = about it yet, so please write to me with your problems (hopefuly not = of a personal nature:), and ideas on how we can improve the software. = cheers, Dave Perry dave@dingy.demon.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCD994.2D4958A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The new beta version of visorc is available for = testing by=20 members of the CSound mailing list at ftp:/= /pc8psyc.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/Visual_Orchestra = ; I will hopefully have a US website up = soon. I have been using this version of VisOrc to compose = during the=20 last few weeks (Its basicaly the first time I've really used the = program) and=20 have produced some interesting results. Below is a = list of=20 additional notes on problems encountered and some work around=20 solutions. Firstly the bugs... Problem : Error reported when trying to save=20 instrument. Cause : Name of instrument contains a colon = characted eg=20 "Untitled:2" Solution : This is a problem when you use more = than one=20 instrument as VisOrc automaticaly names instruments using the format=20 "Untitled:x". This is not a fatal = crash, =20 you can rename the instrument and resave. Problem : Fatal DOS4GW error when = compiling Cause : Seems to be caused by certain versions of=20 Csound Solution : Use Gabriel Maldonado's version of=20 Csound, at the moment VisOrc Requires this = version, =20 future releases should be more flexible. Problem : Cannot delete Operator units Cause : Inefficient and convoluted = coding Solution : Don't delete them and watch out for the = next=20 version Problem : Compiler does not seem to produce WAV=20 files Cause : Because VisOrc cannot detect when CSound = finishes=20 compiling it does not know when to update the file listbox in the=20 compiler. Solution : Click on the directory listing when = Csound finishes=20 and the file appears Problem : IF units Cause : not tested Solution : Please test them Problem : I use the = score formula=20 but It does not seem to affect my notes Cause :=20 Formula only works on notes you input after activating the = formula Solution : Wait for the Score = functions ++++++ Other bits and pieces You cannot delete Pfields once you have created=20 them, only reassign them Only 6 pfields per instrument in this release I'm=20 afraid The score is pretty shaky at the = moment, =20 It works OK if you use it in a particular way (Ie. the way I tend = to use=20 it) but as there is no real documentation at the moment to = explain, I=20 expect people to have lots of problems with it or simply ignore = it. On this = point, =20 if you do not enter any notes in the score, the instrument plays a = default=20 note of 6 seconds. Lots and lots of little (and big) things=20 missing... I really only learnt Csound while programming VisOrc = so you=20 might notice how a feature of Csound you find useful or even absolutely=20 essential has been left out. This is simply because I = haven't=20 had time to find out about it yet, so please write to me = with your=20 problems (hopefuly not of a personal nature:), and ideas on how we = can=20 improve the software. cheers, Dave Perry dave@dingy.demon.co.uk<= /DIV> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BCD994.2D4958A0-- Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20147; 19 Nov 97 3:09 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa12260; 19 Nov 97 3:09 GMT Received: (qmail 8574 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 03:09:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 03:09:24 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA04062); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:00:14 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 97 02:59:58 GMT Received: from GS160.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.203.172] by hermes via SMTP (CAA18459); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:59:51 GMT Message-Id: <199711190259.CAA18459@hermes> Subject: Re: orc/sco errors To: Csound mailing list Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: Eli Brandt In-Reply-To: <199711181317.NAA13843@hermes> from "jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk" at Nov 18, 97 01:17:41 pm X-Portmanteau: pantryptaminergeticallysisterrainbowtie X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-40] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 779 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > No please. Attachments are the invention of the devil. Not all my > machines can read them, and not all machines can deal with zipped > files -- indeed the name is used for two different formats. > Orchestras/scores are text and should remain as text so they can be > read. Attachments and zips means that I for one will not be able to > read them Seconded. Csound orc/sco files should survive e-mail transport quite well (unless they hit an MS Exchange server or something). Trouble with spacing and line wrapping is probably introduced at the endpoints, by overly clever mail clients. Be careful of cut-and-pasting code into mail composition windows, for example... -- Eli Brandt \| eli+@cs.cmu.edu \| http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/ Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20477; 19 Nov 97 6:02 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa15604; 19 Nov 97 6:02 GMT Received: (qmail 12976 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 06:02:27 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 06:02:27 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA12885); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:56:13 GMT Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.exeter.ac.uk; Wed, 19 Nov 97 05:55:57 GMT Received: from root@yoop.oz.cc.utah.edu [155.99.2.5] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA12740); Wed, 19 Nov 1997 05:55:50 GMT Received: from Stranger.utah.edu (ctsasync27.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.27]) by yoop.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA28404; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:58:13 -0700 (MST) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:54:30 -0700 Message-Id: <01BCF474.EE370C60.Reid.Sweatman@m.cc.utah.edu> From: Reid Sweatman To: 'Richard Dobson' Cc: "'csound@noether.ex.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: 32-bit float AIFF Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:54:29 -0700 Organization: Avatar X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tuesday, November 18, 1997 4:31 PM, Richard Dobson [SMTP:rwd@pact.srf.ac.uk] wrote: > > Reid Sweatman wrote: > > > The new version of Cool Edit, Cool Edit Pro, supports the new floating-point format. > > Yes, I have tried it (well, the demo version), and it confirms my format > is OK - yippee. A pity that Cool Pro will not display the sample value > at the cursor, though - am I alone in finding that a useful, nay necessary > facility? Ah, but it will. Just right-click on the status bar at the bottom of the screen, and you'll get a pop-up menu of options for things to display in the status bar. One of these displays the data under the cursor. > BTW: at least in the earlier incarnations of Cool, the WAVE parsing is a little > sketchy - it will accept a file of N channels, and display it as stereo. > This could ~just possibly~ be useful to look at a Csound 4channel file, > but if I give Cool a 1024-channel pvoc file it attempts (I presume) to create > that many buffers and crashes spectacularly. It also crashes when it tries to write > a WAV file with a large header (CDP style). Cool95 was OK in this respect - > I was told by Syntrillium that they changed the header reading code to cater for > users of buggy CD-ROM writing software!!!! I hadn't noticed that, save for one time when I tried to open a quad CSound file by mistake . However, it makes sense, as Cool Edit versions prior to Pro only supported stereo. I'm guessing the programmers were only much familiar with the Windows version of WAVE files, which are rarely even stereo. It probably seemed a safe bet to support the only kind anyone appeared to be using. Still, it's good programming practice to trap the fall-through cases. On the whole, though, I'm pretty happy with the guys at Syntrillium. They put most of the rather lengthy list of things I (and other people, of course) asked for into Pro. About the only thing I didn't get that I asked for was a full-blown programming language to replace the rather limited scripting language. Frankly, I pretty much asked them for a cross between Perl, C, and CSound . So I can't be too* surprised they didn't follow up on that one .

Date	1997-11-19 03:02
From	Eli Brandt
Subject	Re: orc/sco errors
	jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > No please. Attachments are the invention of the devil. Not all my > machines can read them, and not all machines can deal with zipped > files -- indeed the name is used for two different formats. > Orchestras/scores are text and should remain as text so they can be > read. Attachments and zips means that I for one will not be able to > read them Seconded. Csound orc/sco files should survive e-mail transport quite well (unless they hit an MS Exchange server or something). Trouble with spacing and line wrapping is probably introduced at the endpoints, by overly clever mail clients. Be careful of cut-and-pasting code into mail composition windows, for example... -- Eli Brandt \| eli+@cs.cmu.edu \| http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/