Tolve wrote:

>as a perpetual newbie, i have no complaints about the assistance available
>on this list. or the price. but do well understand the frustrations
>encountered by non-programmers. And have noted that the classic bang the
>head against the wall technique must be practiced with a *brick* wall in
>order to be fully effective.

I have no further ambition than to be a "perpetual newbie". My appologies to 
everyone, for so veemently demonstrating my anxiety for knowledge.
As a lot of complicated matters I've decided to study during my life, its 
the actual pursuit of knowledge and interaction with similarly concerned 
people that is rewarding in the first place.

pedro