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RE: csound realtime

Date1998-04-08 19:50
FromPiche Jean
SubjectRE: csound realtime
 
> Oh well, I tried....I'm not sure why folks think NT is so unstable.  I work 
> with it everyday, and I don't have any problems with stability.   I still 
> think I have a case for incremental upgrading of the system as being more 
> cost effective than any other platform choice.  This is the main reason 
> more businesses use PC's than any other platforms combined.  Like it or 
> not, that's just the way it is.  If you want a whole wealth of software and 

I always thought the reason more businesses use PCs is because Microsoft has
a quasi-monopoly stranglehold on the computing industry. Windows is an
operating system that is inferior in almost all respects to anything else
available, yet it is used by 90% of computers. The reason(s):  compatibility,
interchangeability, service and convenience. In and of itself the PC is ok.
The OS is the issue. 
 
> I do have one question/observation about Rhapsody...I worked on a NeXT cube 
> for a couple of years and liked it, but...no one but universities bought 
> the thing so why do you Macheads think that Rhapsody will be the saving 
> grace for the Mac platform?  I thought the Mac OS was surperior, why don't 
> they just leave it alone?..hmmm..?

Ah, that would be because Rhapsody is (presumably) fully POSIX compliant. 
Thats a boon for audio. I have given up smoking but I am partial to pipes. 

> I'm done with this thread...I promise....sorry for the diversion.  Somebody 
> has to stick up for the PC around here...:}

Shucks, just when things are heating up?  

 

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                                                                   Jean Piche
                                                                Musique - UdM
                                                      pichej@ERE.Umontreal.ca

Date1998-04-08 21:21
FromDustin Barlow
SubjectRE: csound realtime
Oh well, I tried....I'm not sure why folks think NT is so unstable.  I work 
with it everyday, and I don't have any problems with stability.   I still 
think I have a case for incremental upgrading of the system as being more 
cost effective than any other platform choice.  This is the main reason 
more businesses use PC's than any other platforms combined.  Like it or 
not, that's just the way it is.  If you want a whole wealth of software and 
hardware for audio or anything else, the PC is a great alternative.  Unless 
you like living in 3rd party software land...then pick linux.

I do have one question/observation about Rhapsody...I worked on a NeXT cube 
for a couple of years and liked it, but...no one but universities bought 
the thing so why do you Macheads think that Rhapsody will be the saving 
grace for the Mac platform?  I thought the Mac OS was surperior, why don't 
they just leave it alone?..hmmm..?

I'm done with this thread...I promise....sorry for the diversion.  Somebody 
has to stick up for the PC around here...:}

Dustin Barlow

-----Original Message-----
From:	Micheal Allen Thompson [SMTP:mat0001@jove.acs.unt.edu]
Sent:	Wednesday, April 08, 1998 10:44 AM
To:	Piche Jean
Cc:	sdbeck@lsu.edu; csound@noether.ex.ac.uk
Subject:	Re: csound realtime

As a Mac fan and former Mac user< I have to agree with Jean Piche here.

I got me O2 for less that I paid for my Mac with  the DAT card in it. Now
Mac hardware was cheaper but then I had to buy ProTools III, Max etc...
then, at the time, an 8 channel setup on the Mac was way more expensive.
Plus, the OS... I love the MacOS for somethings but the flexiblity of unix
and the fact that its so stable, has made me come to love my O2 even
more.

 Cant wait for Rhapsody on Mac Hardware though!!!!

Michael

On Wed, 8 Apr 1998,
Piche Jean wrote:

>
> Stephen writes:
>
> > Regarding G3s, there are a  whole host of new PCI audio cards either on 
the
> > market or shortly on the market that support 4, 8, 12 channel 
simultaneous
> > analog/digital i/o.  It seems to me that this might be a more cost
> > effective solution than SGIs.  You can get an entry level G3 (which is 
by
> > itself faster than any Pentium II we could possibly afford) for under
> > US$1700, add $500-$1k for the card and accessories, and your still 50% 
less
> > than for what you can get an entry level 02 (about $5500).
>
> I dont really want to get into this potentially endless cost/performance
> analysis but do keep in mind that that Stephen's figures are hmmm alittle
> optimistic.. Once you have factored in the monitor (a good 17" monitor
> ~500-600$), all this beautiful software (that comes free on the sgi) for
> another $1000... it certainly not a 50% difference and you are stuck
> (personal bias, here) with the MacOS. At this point however, a G3 
probably
> outperforms an r5k O2 but the r5k is on its way out, the r10k will soon 
be
> the entry level chip on SGIs. Its a question of taste of course but I am
> willing to pay much $ for the convenience of a good solid unix OS.
>
> When all is said and done, most modern machines perform in the same 
league
> for roughly the same cost. The *high* cost of SGIs was true about 5-10 
years
> ago. In fact it is now only marginally higher (for the educational 
market,
> it's even lower). Also keep in mind that even a loaded top-notch Pentium 
gets
> into highish numbers.
>
> IMO, The operating system, software base and peripheral services are the 
main
> differenciating factors.
>
> 
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>                                                                    Jean 
Piche
>                                                                 Musique - 
UdM
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                                                      pichej@ERE.Umontre  
al.ca
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