On Wed, 21 May 1997, Micheal Allen Thompson wrote:
> 
> As far as Linux... I have been running it off and on for a few years. Its pretty good. I think I like 
> freeBSD better but Linux has more software ported to it. But its the Intel problem that keeps my away 
> from using this OS. Cheap hardware on PC's and the fact that they break so easily. Oh, well in all the 

Doesn't Linux work on other processors as well, though?

Larry


--  Larry Troxler  --  lt@westnet.com  --  Patterson, NY USA  --
  

Well, I guess all that talk about synthesis using CommonMusic on the mac is wrong. I though the newest 
version has some very good synthesis stuff... even real-time- although simple stuff.

On the SGI note...

Anyway to bring back the machine if the Graphical interface subsystem crashes an you don't have a 
terminal window open? Has happened twice to me in 2 weeks....

I had planned on getting an SGI on my own a few months ago. The price for the 
 machines are high but 
not bad for a low end O2 and even better if you can find a used Indy. The problem is:
1. OS upgrades are way expensive!!!!! I cant afford to pay that much for upgrades.
2. Irix doesn't come with a compiler, not even gcc so you have to find a 5.3 binary of gcc and try to 
get the newest version compiled. Last I looked 64-bit stuff was not in gcc, I maybe wrong.
3. the Irix development is expensive as well. Extremely expensive if you are not part of a university 
or company. 
4. all in all SGI's are nice and fast but not a reality for me, do to the cost of keeping them 
current and running... another story....
5. lets see.... you have to get a CD-ROM too. Oh, there is only one kind that is compatible with the 
hardware... maybe 2 but SGI cant tell which one. You will have to surf for info (which I found). The 
CD-ROM's are way over priced for 4x speed!!!!! the O2 comes with one!!! Indy didn't....
6. If you like XWindows(which I do) then SGI is nice. But, it is very Mac like! and I like Mac's too 
so Thats a good thing to me... . It has some strange ways of doing things as well.....
7. 32 mb of ram will run an SGI.... you really need more ram than this!!!! 


As far as Linux... I have been running it off and on for a few years. Its pretty good. I think I like 
freeBSD better but Linux has more software ported to it. But its the Intel problem that keeps my away 
from using this OS. Cheap hardware on PC's and the fact that they break so easily. Oh, well in all the 
software I have used, which probably isn't all that much, I still cant find a mixing program better 
than ProTools and Csound runs very well on MacOS thanks to the Mills people. So, Thats my scoop on the 
hardware.

Michael

On Tue, 20 May 1997 22:32:44 -0700 Tobias Kunze 
 wrote:

> 
>  | the Mac version of CommonMusic is the most complete
>  | implementation around!
> 
> sorry for catching up with email one at a time ...
> 
> It depends.  MCL is the LISP environment that is probably
> integrated best with the OS.  Which, of course, is the downside :)
> If you are willing to put up with the Mac's idiosyncracies
> and if you don't really depend on sound synthesis, it is a
> very good choice.
> 
> There is also Franz's Allegro Common Lisp, running on UNIX
> boxes--not as OS-dependent as MCL, but in certain areas clealy
> of more strength, albeit expensive.  They offer a *free* (!!)
> LINUX version, though, so if you're more into sound processing,
> whether csound or cmusic of cmix or clm, get a LINUX box.  If
> you have some cash to spare, though, an SGI will make you happier.
> 
> -Tobias
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
> Tobias Kunze                       t@kunze.stanford.edu
> CCRMA, Stanford University         http://www.stanford.edu/~tkunze
> 

Well, yes... but.... no sound on the mkLinux yet so music is not yet
ready for mklinux. It is not as stable as on the PC's. X11 is crash
prone. it is getting better though.

Michael
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Larry Troxler
wrote:

> On Wed, 21 May 1997, Micheal Allen Thompson wrote:
> > 
> > As far as Linux... I have been running it off and on for a few years. Its pretty good. I think I like 
> > freeBSD better but Linux has more software ported to it. But its the Intel problem that keeps my away 
> > from using this OS. Cheap hardware on PC's and the fact that they break so easily. Oh, well in all the 
> 
> Doesn't Linux work on other processors as well, though?
> 
> Larry
> 
> 
> --  Larry Troxler  --  lt@westnet.com  --  Patterson, NY USA  --
>   
>