>> how to produce beautiful sounds, but how to imbue the computer with the
>musical "common sense" that
>> made the careers of Mozart, Beethoven and Stravinsky possible.
>
>Yes. Those who strive for the ultimate imitation of natural music by
>computers are losers.

= true  [_+!llogikl]

_+ Those who strive for the ultimate imitation

= true . d!skouraged.

> Music
>is something spiritual IN THE FIRST PLACE. It cannot be replaced by a set
>of digital chips producing
>a stream of numbers based on algorithms.

= falsz

>True music

= true true != ecz!st

> is always a FYSICAL
>interaction between
>the player and it's instrument(s).

= f!z!kl zucx










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> >> how to produce beautiful sounds, but how to imbue the computer with the
> >musical "common sense" that
> >> made the careers of Mozart, Beethoven and Stravinsky possible.

and it is "common since" which can and will be taught to a computer.

> >Yes. Those who strive for the ultimate imitation of natural music by
> >computers are losers.

hmm.  don't know quite what this one means, but if you want a real
discussion, mail me about what is natural and what is not.  computers are
natural.  please tell me what you mean.

> > Music
> >is something spiritual IN THE FIRST PLACE. It cannot be replaced by a set
> >of digital chips producing
> >a stream of numbers based on algorithms.

sh!te.  you misunderstand "digital chips", "stream of numbers" and
"algorithms".  please tell what you think these things are.  why are you
on csound mailing list?  how are tools different from tools?

> > is always a FYSICAL
> >interaction between
> >the player and it's instrument(s).
> = f!z!kl zucx

about the only fizicle part of music for me is that my ear drums have to
vibrate to get the information to my brain.  i could really care less
about how the music is produced.  a physikal reaction is indeed required
for music but is not the music itself something apart from this reaction?

-j0e

Please listen to the following .orc and .sco and then read the rest of the
message.

;orc ***********
sr     = 44100
kr     = 441
ksmps  = 100
nchnls = 2
;-----------------------------------------------
   instr 5
a1 linseg 0,0.01,20000,p3-0.01,20000,0.01,0,1,0
a2 expon  20,p3,176400
a3 oscil  a1,a2,p4
   outs    a3*0, 5*a3*0
   endin
;end orc ************

;sco *********
f1 0 16384 10 1 ;sine
f2 0 16384 10 1000 0 333 0 200 0 143 0 111 0 91 0 77 0 67 0 59 0 53 0 ;square
f3 0 16384 10 1000 500 333 250 200 167 143 125 111 100 91 83 77 71 67 ;sawtooth
f4 0 16384 10 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 ;impulse-like
;-----------------------------------------------------
;       tbl
;        #
;-------------
i5 0   60 1
i5 60  60 2
i5 120 60 3
i5 180 60 4
i5 240 33 1
;end sco ******


The above was an exact Csound performance of one of the seminal pieces of
20th Century Music (The title is hidden in the sco). I find that the Csound
version moves me just as deeply as an acoustic piano performance of the
piece. While it was playing, did you hear the fan in your computer? Did you
hear the air moving through your ventilation system? Did you hear flies
buzzing or people down the hall talking? Did you ponder the meaning of "The
Emperor's New Clothes?" If not, you missed the whole point of the piece.

Hamlet: And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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and/or Associate Professor of Engineering
Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711  USA
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