Has this gone off subject?
Whatever.

I have to take issue with the idea that sequencers are just beat-boxes.
Logic Audio has a lot of functionality in the area of producing a kind of
virtual instrument by letting you patch together faders, including a rather
snazzy vector fader, and (midi) delay units so that you can play streams of
midi notes via a mouse to a sound module and/or to a midi file for further
manipulation in csound.

Incidentally, if anyone knows how to link up, in realtime, between Logic
Audio and, say, the Direct Csound(?) version I would love to know. There
exists the ability to using Directx plug-ins in Logic Audio.

Richard.

Paul Barrett wrote:

> You obviously have very little imagination if all you can think to do with
> pro-sequencers is to create standard techno ( which IS very dull music )
or
> plastified classical or jazz arrangements.

Of course you can write a full Symphony as a Csound score, or a richly
evolving
texture tweaking with the NRPN´s of a GM bank... I just mean that sequencers
work best with dance music, why not ... people like dancing/people hear
dance
music/people buy dance CD´s/composers want to make money writing dance CD´s/
programmers want to sell their products...

> So far I haven't produced anything much, but then
> the same can be said for csound.  It's not the tool you use, but how you
use
> it.

Yes that is the point. You don´t need to spend hundreds of $ with a
professional
sequencer to make good music. I agree.

>  Only those with no creativity produce boring music; and only those who
> have no idea what they are talking about can say that all forms of techno
> are the same to them.  Techno is just like any other musical form
>  including classical, jazz, opera, country, anything you care to name ) -
> MOST OF IT IS COMPLETE CRAP!!!!!!!!!!  and then there is the good stuff.
> All opera sounds the same to me ( and I hate the sound ) but I have
friends
> who love it, and I respect that they see it in a different way to me; and
> most importantly, although I don't like it, I respect the creativity of
> those who do it well, and I understand that it has musical worth.

Hmm you simply cannot put at the same level say Wagner´s Tristan (or a good
Strauss vals, if you prefer popular genres) and the last CD of good dance
music.
Particularly I enjoy hearing well produced goa-trance music, which is a bit
outdated nowadays, but of course this is ephimer music, it doesn´t last for
generations. And for me this is the real test of their quality. Anyway, time
will put things in their place (although lots of shit survive, the
proportion
tends to be more equilibrated).I of course respect the creativity of
everyone,
and their tastes. Also good music is good music and bad music is bad music
despite everyone´s tastes. You can call this elitism ... but good music is
nearly always elitist. And each music has its social role ... make people
dance,
sell CD´s, or maybe even satisfy an interior creative force.
I deeply respect electronic music in general and Csound in particular. I
wouldn´t like it to become merely another softsynth or a plugin for
commercial
software. It has to be much more. As Csound is biased towards serious
timbral
research - and not much more honestly-, I see it naturaly linked to powerful
algorithmic composition packages to help in the elaboration of complex
scores
for example.

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