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Re: Stop it please

Date1997-07-24 12:45
FromPer Villez
SubjectRe: Stop it please

If indeed nothing can be done to stop persistent nuisance like this I would
certainly opt for flaming the nuisance, but how do you know that it won't
invite the same reaction back. All this just goes to highlight how insecure
privacy is on the net and makes subcribing to this list completely
redundant, anybody can pop in and leave their rubbish behind.

                                                Per Byrne Villez

>spamming. I think it might indeed be worth considering a mass "email attack"
>on such sites if the
>spam persists.
>
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Date1997-07-24 13:04
FromGeraint Wiggins
SubjectRe: Stop it please
> 
> 
> If indeed nothing can be done to stop persistent nuisance like this I would
> certainly opt for flaming the nuisance, but how do you know that it won't
> invite the same reaction back. All this just goes to highlight how insecure
> privacy is on the net and makes subcribing to this list completely
> redundant, anybody can pop in and leave their rubbish behind.
> 
>                                                 Per Byrne Villez
> 
> >spamming. I think it might indeed be worth considering a mass "email attack"
> >on such sites if the
> >spam persists.

Some internet providers will disconnect your account for mail-bombing, because
it tends to affect other users of the offender's system.

A better solution might be to insist that people register their email addresses
to post to the csound alias, and refuse postings not from registered addresses.
That makes work for James, though... :-(

Geraint



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Is there any source of Csound (any version) and the project file
for the Codewarrior 9 or greater(((powerpc)  ?

thank Emanuele




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I have finally got the "closed" list feature to work with majordomo.  The 
documentation which is normally very good just didnt mention it thats why it
took so long.
This will mean that 

1) automatic subscribe requests wont work any more
2) people who arent on the list wont be able to post to the list without
"approval" from list admins

so less ( hopefully zero ) spam on the list.

the down side is more work for the list admins and sometimes I think that
even messages from legitimate list members will not go through properly.

ps. the www archive system is broken AGAIN I will look at this asap
-- 
James Andrews, maths CDO, ext.3977



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BIG round of applause for James! :-)

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I have finally got the "closed" list feature to work with majordomo.  The 
documentation which is normally very good just didnt mention it thats why it
took so long.
This will mean that 

1) automatic subscribe requests wont work any more
2) people who arent on the list wont be able to post to the list without
"approval" from list admins

so less ( hopefully zero ) spam on the list.

the down side is more work for the list admins and sometimes I think that
even messages from legitimate list members will not go through properly.

ps. the www archive system is broken AGAIN I will look at this asap
-- 
James Andrews, maths CDO, ext.3977




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From: bruce quaglia 
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	I believe that this has already been pointed out, but
	at the risk of doing what I'm complaining about I will
	reiterate in the hopes that others might consider it.

	Why is spam such a nuisance? (For me) It is because
	I have to scan through and delete a bulk of messages
	from my mailbox that I don't want to read and which
	obfuscate the "real" messages which I then fear will
	be accidentally deleted whe I'm blasting the junk out
	of my mailbox.

	In the past few weeks I've gotten a few spam messages that
	I've had to delete from this list and many many times
	more messages from list members complaining about it.
	On the grounds for nuisance mentioned above, I find that
	the complaints are more of a problem (in terms of filling
	my mailbox with things that I'm just not interested in
	reading) than the spam was. 

	It is plain at this point that John is aware of the spam
	problem and is or will be trying to solve it. I obviously
	can't and shouldn't tell people what they may broadcast
	on this list...but please be aware that you are broadcasting
	to many people and so if you aren't posting a message
	that is pertinent to the use of Csound and are echoing
	the "yeah I really hate spam" sentiment that you yourself
	are creating the same problem as the spam...(again, at least
	in my view. I realize that there is a distinction in that 
	"sexo-rama" or whatever is trying to make money and you
	are just broadcasting your thoughts about it...but the net
	effect is the same as far as I can see, I have to wade through
	a bunch of message of no interest in hopes of finding useful
	information. I do find alot of good stuff on this list too.
	
	This is merely something to consider and is not intended as
	a chastisement to anybody.

	Bruce Quaglia
	University of Utah





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Sorry for adding to this off topic thread but the following links may 
provide some solutions to the Spam problem in general...or not.

http://www.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Communications_and_Networking/El
ectronic_Mail/Junk_Email/

I am afraid to post on usenet anymore for fear I will end up with tons of 
XXX rated stuff in my mail box.  In the US there is some legislation being 
worked on to prohibit junk email and junk faxes.

|    |    |  \   |     /      Hans P. Mikelson
|  __     |  __/ |  \    |    hljmm@discover-net.net
|__  |__  |__    |__ \_  |__  http://discover-net.net/~hljmm/




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owner-csound-outgoing wrote
>From owner-csound-outgoing Fri Jul 25 03:38:48 1997
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>From jthorpe@compusmart.ab.ca Fri Jul 25 04:38:44 1997 remote from 
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Subject: stereo random?

I'm a c-sound beginner and I'm trying to make an instrument that will be
placed randomly in the stereo field each time it's initiated in my score.
I've just created a randi of .5, (+.5) and in my outs said asig * arand,
asig * (1 - arand).

What his does, is oscilate the signal stereophonically.  Any suggestions
out there?

joshua t.



-- 
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>Do you really expect privacy in a public mailing list ?


Yes I do expect a certain level of privacy, And contrary to your comment, I
bet you do too. All the automation and control you describe below reaffirms
that by using these packages you do seek a certain element of control and
privacy.

I thought the Csound list was a 'subscribed to' list and not a general
public list. You choose to subscribe to it to receive news pertaining to
Csound related matters and not much else.





>Per Villez writes:
> > If indeed nothing can be done to stop persistent nuisance like this I would
> > certainly opt for flaming the nuisance, but how do you know that it won't
> > invite the same reaction back.
>
>What about using a mail filter program ? The commercial mails I received
>through
>this list always (right?) contain words like 'sex', 'adult' and so on.
>Using e.g. procmail one can extract (and send back) mails containing
>these words AND having a field Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@noether.ex.ac.uk
>in the header. Well, we have to agree not to talk about sex(sounds) in
>this arena :)
>Of course the mail filter may be applied by the list maintainer instead.
>
> > All this just goes to highlight how insecure
> > privacy is on the net and makes subcribing to this list completely
>
>???
>Do you really expect privacy in a public mailing list ?
>
>More general: Having an (email) address makes you a potential addressee.
>But different to snail mail you may use automated email processors/reflectors.
>So privacy is more secure on the net than elsewhere!
>
> > redundant, anybody can pop in and leave their rubbish behind.
>
>That's life.
>
>Oliver





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wrong!

subcribers have every right to discuss this issue and express opinions.
Thats how things get done. If it means somebody has to do more work as a
result, then that is something we defenitely have to consider. These kind
of things come and go but usually don't persist very long.

                                                                per

>        I believe that this has already been pointed out, but
>        at the risk of doing what I'm complaining about I will
>        reiterate in the hopes that others might consider it.
>
>        Why is spam such a nuisance? (For me) It is because
>        I have to scan through and delete a bulk of messages
>        from my mailbox that I don't want to read and which
>        obfuscate the "real" messages which I then fear will
>        be accidentally deleted whe I'm blasting the junk out
>        of my mailbox.
>
>        In the past few weeks I've gotten a few spam messages that
>        I've had to delete from this list and many many times
>        more messages from list members complaining about it.
>        On the grounds for nuisance mentioned above, I find that
>        the complaints are more of a problem (in terms of filling
>        my mailbox with things that I'm just not interested in
>        reading) than the spam was.
>
>        It is plain at this point that John is aware of the spam
>        problem and is or will be trying to solve it. I obviously
>        can't and shouldn't tell people what they may broadcast
>        on this list...but please be aware that you are broadcasting
>        to many people and so if you aren't posting a message
>        that is pertinent to the use of Csound and are echoing
>        the "yeah I really hate spam" sentiment that you yourself
>        are creating the same problem as the spam...(again, at least
>        in my view. I realize that there is a distinction in that
>        "sexo-rama" or whatever is trying to make money and you
>        are just broadcasting your thoughts about it...but the net
>        effect is the same as far as I can see, I have to wade through
>        a bunch of message of no interest in hopes of finding useful
>        information. I do find alot of good stuff on this list too.
>
>        This is merely something to consider and is not intended as
>        a chastisement to anybody.
>
>        Bruce Quaglia
>        University of Utah