| I've been doing nothing but complaining lately. David, my apologies.
I'm glad to see the omission of the tutorials was intentional and an
oversight. Naturally, my first thought on finding this was to wonder what
else might then be missing.
Thanks also for explaining the need for the reorganisation. I guess I
should have been paying more attention to the posts on this list.
If your version is indeed the currently maintained one, then I hope it
could be posted on the Bath site. I think this would make it more
"official".
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...may I add that teh manual on what remains of teh Bath site was just what
I was sent at some time. I am not resposible fo rdocumentation --- basically
as a professional CS guy I just do not do that kind of thing. If it
was difficult to write it shoudl be difficult to use(:-)
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>>
>>
>> Downside : it takes ages to encode. About 20 mins for a 38.7 MB (3:49 mins
>> long) stereo AIFF file on my 233MHz G3 PowerMac.
>
> Time for a G4@500, Drew!
>
By the time I can afford one, there'll probably be a G4@750...
> P.S. Have a look to the sound encoders that come with Quicktime 4. That is
> compression! You dont need the Pro version, just use MoviePlayer 2.5 (you
> keep a copy, dont you?)
>
> Javier Ruiz (still married with a Supra 28.800)
Javier, you sly dog you... Thanks a bunch for letting us in on this.
Like a good little upgrader, I'd moved from QT 2.5 to QT 3 to QT 4,
all the while getting rid of earlier versions of all components.
I dug up QT 2.5 off a CD-ROM, & reinstalled only MoviePlayer 2.5
It encodes !!!
So, using a test file, I tried 4 diiferent encoders :
- mPecker (I still use it by turning the clock back on my Mac, he he he... )
- Apple Quicktime 4 with MoviePlayer 2.5 (.mov format)
- Yamaha Sound VQ (.vqf format)
- RealProducer 6.1.0.153 (.rm format)
Here's the result & my observations :
format file size quality
___________________________________________________________________________
mp3 2.7 MB best. marginally better than QT.
128kbps stereo
mov 1.2 MB pretty darn good, but mp3 is a little better
40kbps stereo but consider the file size !
vqf 1.6 MB close to QT .mov, but larger file, and much
40kbps stereo smaller user base.
rm 480 kb encoded for 28.8 kbps streaming, acceptable for
the purpose. I could have tried encoding at a
higher rate, but since this is essentially
a streaming format, it's moot.
Drew Skyfyre (still single & broke with a ProLink 33.600)
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I'm sending the orc & sco, but i don't think it's a good idea to
send the samples!!
Anyhow, the clicks are "one sample out of range", only. But we can
hear them alright. And they are only on the right channel!
I tried it with some other samples, some do clicks some don't .
Mystery!
I tried to play them with other softwares (like Peak, soundapp, etc...)
with a positive result (no clicks!). Anyhow, i send the orc& scos, and
if someone wants to ttest with the samples i can compress them and send
them personally to him.
thanks
karim
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;p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8
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sr= 44100
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ksmps= 1
nchnls= 2
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ifno = p4
aenv linen p7,p8,p3,p9
asig loscil aenv,p6,ifno,261.626
outs asig*p5,asig*(1-p5)
endin
instr 2
aenv linenr p6,p7,p3,p8
asig1,asig2 loscil aenv,p5,p4,261.626
outs asig1,asig2
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Who is this saint, who, from time to time, offer us all the new versions of
the Csound manual, in any format _useful_ for consulting it, and quietly
accepting the suggestions of other users, without a complaint?
Thank you very much David, for your enormous effort keeping the manual tidy=
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Read the following text carefully. Perhaps one of you can help me.
begin text
I think this command, fmmetal, needs some work. I get static and AM
radio
noises with it.
What did I do wrong?
I suspect it is with kc1 or kc2 or both. I did not know what to put
there.
;ORC
sr = 44100
kr = 4410
ksmps = 10
nchnls = 1
; global volume
givol = 0.2
;--------------------------------------------
; instrument for miditrack 1
;--------------------------------------------
instr 1
; ------- included from d:\samples/fmmetal.orc ------
;instr 1
kfreq = p5
kamp = p4
kc1 = 1
kc2 = 1
kvdepth = 0.05
kvrate = 0.05
ifn1 = 18
ifn2 = 1
ifn3 = 1
ifn4 = 18
iv = 18
a1 fmmetal kamp,kfreq,kc1,kc2, kvdepth, kvrate, ifn1, ifn2, ifn3, ifn4,
iv
a2 butterlp a1, 1000
aright = a2; right;
aleft = a2; leftl;
;out a1
;endin
; ------- end include ------
out aright*(givol*1.00)
endin
;SCO
f1 0 4096 10 1 0 .5 0 .5
f18 0 4096 10 1
f19 0 4096 10 1 .5 .333 .25 .2 .166 .142 .125 .111 .1 .09 .083 .076
.071 .066 .062
; LIFEFORM.MID - Csound score
; created by Midi2Cs 0.95
; Mon Sep 13 17:23:07 1999
; qticks: 192
; trackname: Lt. Cmdr. Data
; time: 01/04 beat
; time: 24 clocks per quarter note
; time: 08 notated 32-nd notes in a MIDI quarter-note
; key signature sf=0 mi=0
; (sf: -7=7flats -1=1flat 0=key of C 1=1sharp 7=7sharps
; mi: 0=major key 1=minor key)
; time: 04/04 beat
; time: 24 clocks per quarter note
; time: 08 notated 32-nd notes in a MIDI quarter-note
; tempo
t 0 120.0000
;--------------------------------------------
; miditrack 1 instrument 1
;--------------------------------------------
; p1 = instr
; p2 = start
; p3 = duration
; trackname: tk1
; meta event 0x20 - 0x0
; volume control 69
; pan control 64
; program number 0 (GM Acoustic Grand)
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bad loop points.
rapid k-rate freq change.
no envelope on note-off.
Or, I have a set of AIFF files that have copyright
chunck at end. As I remember, csound played the copyright
chunck very faithfully. Sounded like a click though.
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Read the following text carefully. Perhaps one of you can help me.
begin text
I think this command, fmmetal, needs some work. I get static and AM
radio
noises with it.
What did I do wrong?
I suspect it is with kc1 or kc2 or both. I did not know what to put
there.
;ORC
sr = 44100
kr = 4410
ksmps = 10
nchnls = 1
; global volume
givol = 0.2
;--------------------------------------------
; instrument for miditrack 1
;--------------------------------------------
instr 1
; ------- included from d:\samples/fmmetal.orc ------
;instr 1
kfreq = p5
kamp = p4
kc1 = 1
kc2 = 1
kvdepth = 0.05
kvrate = 0.05
ifn1 = 18
ifn2 = 1
ifn3 = 1
ifn4 = 18
iv = 18
a1 fmmetal kamp,kfreq,kc1,kc2, kvdepth, kvrate, ifn1, ifn2, ifn3, ifn4,
iv
a2 butterlp a1, 1000
aright = a2; right;
aleft = a2; leftl;
;out a1
;endin
; ------- end include ------
out aright*(givol*1.00)
endin
;SCO
f1 0 4096 10 1 0 .5 0 .5
f18 0 4096 10 1
f19 0 4096 10 1 .5 .333 .25 .2 .166 .142 .125 .111 .1 .09 .083 .076
.071 .066 .062
; LIFEFORM.MID - Csound score
; created by Midi2Cs 0.95
; Mon Sep 13 17:23:07 1999
; qticks: 192
; trackname: Lt. Cmdr. Data
; time: 01/04 beat
; time: 24 clocks per quarter note
; time: 08 notated 32-nd notes in a MIDI quarter-note
; key signature sf=0 mi=0
; (sf: -7=7flats -1=1flat 0=key of C 1=1sharp 7=7sharps
; mi: 0=major key 1=minor key)
; time: 04/04 beat
; time: 24 clocks per quarter note
; time: 08 notated 32-nd notes in a MIDI quarter-note
; tempo
t 0 120.0000
;--------------------------------------------
; miditrack 1 instrument 1
;--------------------------------------------
; p1 = instr
; p2 = start
; p3 = duration
; trackname: tk1
; meta event 0x20 - 0x0
; volume control 69
; pan control 64
; program number 0 (GM Acoustic Grand)
i01 0.00000 1.0000 25000 164.81378 ; E0 ch01
i01 1.00000 1.5000 25000 5274.04091 ; E5 ch01
i01 1.00000 1.5000 25000 1318.51023 ; E3 ch01
i01 2.50000 1.0000 25000 5919.91076 ; F#5 ch01
i01 2.50000 1.0000 25000 1479.97769 ; F#3 ch01
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> I think this command, fmmetal, needs some work. I get static and AM
> radio noises with it.
It is a known bug with fmmetal that it is vulnerable to AM radio
frequency interference. I sometimes pick up Limbaugh on one of
my orcs. You can try padding the line holding the opcode with
white space, or if the interference is severe, you may have to
get a metal project box from radio shack, and enclose the fmmetal
opcode in that. Be sure to use balanced, shielded cables to connect
the opcode to the rest of your orc. Also be careful to insulate the
fmmetal from the project box or you may overload your dacs with
infinity values (they look like zeros, but are much more dangerous),
and run the risk of creating a short to the bit-bucket through your
body. This is how Hendrix got started.
losing it.
Toby
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Tobiah wrote:
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> > I think this command, fmmetal, needs some work. I get static and AM
> > radio noises with it.
>
> It is a known bug with fmmetal that it is vulnerable to AM radio
> frequency interference. I sometimes pick up Limbaugh on one of
> my orcs. You can try padding the line holding the opcode with
> white space, or if the interference is severe, you may have to
> get a metal project box from radio shack, and enclose the fmmetal
> opcode in that. Be sure to use balanced, shielded cables to connect
> the opcode to the rest of your orc. Also be careful to insulate the
> fmmetal from the project box or you may overload your dacs with
> infinity values (they look like zeros, but are much more dangerous),
> and run the risk of creating a short to the bit-bucket through your
> body. This is how Hendrix got started.
>
> losing it.
>
> Toby
I'm glad you have a sense of humor, Toby. White space? OK, I'll try
that.
I've been learning these command for the past three years. It did not
make sense until I printed out the manual.
Now, I'm trying each one.
See you later
Sherlock
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Tobiah wrote:
>
> > I think this command, fmmetal, needs some work. I get static and AM
> > radio noises with it.
>
> It is a known bug with fmmetal that it is vulnerable to AM radio
> frequency interference. I sometimes pick up Limbaugh on one of
> my orcs. You can try padding the line holding the opcode with
> white space, or if the interference is severe, you may have to
> get a metal project box from radio shack, and enclose the fmmetal
> opcode in that. Be sure to use balanced, shielded cables to connect
> the opcode to the rest of your orc. Also be careful to insulate the
> fmmetal from the project box or you may overload your dacs with
> infinity values (they look like zeros, but are much more dangerous),
> and run the risk of creating a short to the bit-bucket through your
> body. This is how Hendrix got started.
>
> losing it.
>
> Toby
I'm glad you have a sense of humor, Toby. White space? OK, I'll try
that.
I've been learning these command for the past three years. It did not
make sense until I printed out the manual.
Now, I'm trying each one.
See you later
Sherlock
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Tobiah wrote:
>
> > I think this command, fmmetal, needs some work. I get static and AM
> > radio noises with it.
>
> It is a known bug with fmmetal that it is vulnerable to AM radio
> frequency interference. I sometimes pick up Limbaugh on one of
> my orcs.
Assuming you're here in the US, you could try sampling one of the Radio
Pacifica stations (independent radio). Here in the New York area you
could try WBAI. Sample an excerpt of any number of their programs (the
Pacifica news, for example), and then use the "balance" ugen in
conjunction with the Limbaugh orc. My experience is that the result is
often fairly close to the center, although my lowly P100 is sometimes
not up to the task of mixing the two.
Hope this helps.
Larry Troxler
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Thanks Tobiah,
there's no loop points in the samples:
bad loop points.
I tried with a larger krate with the same result
rapid k-rate freq change.
I tried also an enveloppe for note-off
no envelope on note-off.
I beleive it's the last reason invoked.
->Or, I have a set of AIFF files that have copyright
chunck at end. As I remember, csound played the copyright
chunck very faithfully. Sounded like a click though.
And it seems that the problem is in the middle of the sound
ANd my problematic sample was taken from a commercial CD. So how can we
view the copyright chunk and edit it, although it's not really legal,
it's just to confirm the problem which in this case is due to the sample
and not to loscil?
Thanks
karim
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Thanks Tobiah,
there's no loop points in the samples:
bad loop points.
I tried with a larger krate with the same result
rapid k-rate freq change.
I tried also an enveloppe for note-off
no envelope on note-off.
I beleive it's the last reason invoked.
->Or, I have a set of AIFF files that have copyright
chunck at end. As I remember, csound played the copyright
chunck very faithfully. Sounded like a click though.
And it seems that the problem is in the middle of the sound
ANd my problematic sample was taken from a commercial CD. So how can
we view the copyright chunk and edit it, although it's not really legal,
it's just to confirm the problem which in this case is due to the sample
and not to loscil?
Thanks
karim
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