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Re: Stop it please

Date1997-07-23 20:18
FromJean Piche
SubjectRe: Stop it please
Marc Resibois wrote:
> 
> Question of the day:
> 
> "Why are always people asking about stopping to spam mailing list ?"
> 
> By essence, the one doing the job does knows he's bothering (most of)
> you and probably don't even read it. The only one you bother by
> complaining is the list maintainer which - obviously - is the last
> person you want to annoy.

Indeed, Marc! James is trying his darnest to solve this problem. Come on
folks, James is a volunteer. Everybody is annoyed by spam but
complaining to him is not the answer. I think something should be done
about it also but dont shoot the wrong person. 

 If you get spam, complain to the ISP of the sender. Most decent ISPs
will remove spammers, if they can find them. The idea is to complain to
providers if when they can be traced through message headers. Complain
vigorously is my policy.

But it happens that the spam we've been getting on the list is extremely
vicous and intractable.  I believe it is called bounce-mail spam where
the originator cannot be traced by sysadmins. You will note from full
message headers that the spam bounces through a number of machines
around the world (Sweden, Greece, Italy  and the US of course...) with
phony mail addresses, aliases and gateways... impossible to know where
it comes from.

Eventually, this spamming problem is going to get *so* severe (8 out of
17 mails in my box this morning were spam) that the whole internet
community will rebel and demand tighter regulations... and then it
becomes a freedom of speech issue. Perhaps Europeans are not completely
aware that in the US (sorry fellow Americans....) the freedom of speech
issue is used by the ultra-right more often than the left... but that's
another story...

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Jean Piche
Universite de Montreal
http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/Org/CompoElectro/CEC/

Date1997-07-24 12:53
FromChris Cato
SubjectRe: Stop it please
On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Jean Piche wrote:

> Eventually, this spamming problem is going to get *so* severe (8 out of
> 17 mails in my box this morning were spam) that the whole internet
> community will rebel and demand tighter regulations... and then it
> becomes a freedom of speech issue. Perhaps Europeans are not completely
> aware that in the US (sorry fellow Americans....) the freedom of speech
> issue is used by the ultra-right more often than the left... but that's
> another story...


It is definately a global internet problem that needs to be dealt with.  I
understand that the newest version of Sendmail (which we are running here) 
does a DNS check against incoming messages - if the sender doesn't resolve
it doesn't get delivered to anyone on campus.  Supposedly it also is
designed to prevent spammers from piggy-backing email through our mail
servers - if it isn't being sent to someone on here it is automatically
rejected.  I'm not sure about the specifics but since it was implemented
last month it does seem to have cut back on spam mail.  Unfortunately, it
can't filter out spam coming from a valid system (i.e. hermes.ex.ac.uk).
Just a little bit of info from my part of the world...




Chris Cato

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