| Regarding getting Csound V3.481 to compile under Linux with glibc,
Damien Miller and I had a big session this evening, and he rewrote
three files to use things that are in glibc, where they used to use
things that are not. Csound now compiles and runs. Two of the
changes concern writing .wav files, and this definitely works. The
other concerns recieving MIDI in real-time, which I don't at this
time have a means of testing.
Full details soon!
- Robin
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music marketing, telecommunications, human
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Real World Electronics and software for music: eg.
Interfaces the Devil Fish mods for the TB-303.
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From: JAMIE B
Subject: Nyquist
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Does anyone have any experience using Nyquist?
Is it worth learning? Does it have advantages over Csound, or more importantly
Stanford's Cmusic which seems to work along similar lines?
Any advice would be appreciated,
Cheers,
JamieB
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You just missed (?) a lovely discussion of the pros and cons of
Ensoniq's Paris system, which is 24-bit, 16 (live) channels, with
expandable interface, a card with onboard DSP processing, and a nonMIDI
hardware fader box/control panel. A fine, but still new, device for
about half as much as Digi's nearest equivalent. I still have some of
those emails on the harddrive here if you would like me to forward them
to you.
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>I, too, would like to be on Schindler's list.
FYI: I was waiting for this joke--and when it came I laughed out loud
for a good minute or so.
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Stupid question number 2:
New user - using Csound for Win95 - Computer idiot
What's the best way to create soundin files. I had an error trying to
use a sample I created in one of the standard wave recorders. The
message was something like "Error - is wave file compressed?"
Does it want a compressed file or an uncompressed file? and how can I
change this file to the prefered format.
Thanks for your patience.
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>Now, who was it who said that "tabs" is intelligent and that it was
>important to keep him on this list?
John Cage (1961)
----
"Wherever we are, what we hear is mostly noise. When we ignore it,
it disturbs us. When we listen to it, we find it fascinating."
> >"All that is not information, not redundancy, not form and not restraints
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>using Nyquist?
>Is it worth learning? Does it have advantages over Csound,
cmj art!kl 6monthz +\- ago
zaradi politicnega delovanja
je oblast
v letu 1982
razpustila:
svobodo
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Progress report--
According to Professor Schindler, Score11 is for Unix and Mac platforms,
they're working on a Windows version. He offered to send the generated
files to anyone who is interested. Another member of this list offered
to send the Score11 and related files. I've encouraged both to post
their responses on this list. More soon.
steve
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Subject: Imagination,sources of
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>Nope...Imagination is procured from God--and it doesn't cost a penny!
Nope...We atheists manage just fine,thank you very much.
Also ,
Pure rationality , logic ,and democracy devoid of divine connotations has
many distinct advantages :
It does not discriminate on the basis of sex,age,sexual
orientation,ethnic background,dietary habits,
skin color,hair color,language,personal beliefs,preference in clothing
,reading habits,inclination to wiggle one's hips like a maniac when cool
music is heard,financial status,social status ,level of education,
attachment to particular types of animals,preference in colors,whether
one uses a Mac,WinTel,or Unix, owning a Ford or a Rolls, liking Pooh bear
or Yogi,etc.,etc.
Carlton Wilkinson has the right idea.Nice one, Carlton.
Gotta say about Gandhi though : other than his non-violence ideas,
he had a lot of bad ones too.I live inGoa, India. After 50 years of
*independence*, you could fill one mondo-galactic-size pooper-scooper
with the sheer bull about the country.
Back to music.
Cheerio,
Drew
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Hello ,
Just a thought, in case you haven't got QuickTime 3.0 yet.: - I was just
reading the Sound Manager 3.3 (which I believe is incorporated in
QuickTime 3.0) release notes.It appears as though it might make some
noticible improvements.
Especially with regard to handling different sample rates.etc..I have not
yet downloaded QT 3.0 myself ,but thought I'd pass on the info.
Has anyone who has it noticed any improvement ?
Cheers,
Drew
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Subject: zukx,k!kx,Nyquist,MIDI to Csound
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>>using Nyquist?
>>Is it worth learning? Does it have advantages over Csound,
>
>cmj art!kl 6monthz +\- ago
Hmm, =,could you give some sort of very brief synopsis of the art!kl ,
something that answers the original question ? Yeah and make it in plain
English ;-)
>w!ndoze zukx
>m!kroschaft zukx
>protoolz zukx
>soundhak k!kx
>vst zukx
>tdm zukx
>peakzukx
I have to agree.I could add a whole lot of other items to the list,more
*zukx* than *k!kx*.
Actually the main problem I have with old =cw4t7abs,is that I do not have
the time to deal with
his language.
Oh,yeah : anyone care to contribute something on the MIDI to Csound
questions ?
>I'm looking for advice re: converting multi-track MIDI files to Csound
>scores.I've come across some Csound specfic apps for this on the 'bahn
>and would appreciate opinions about which tools you've used and have had
>success with.
>
>I'll be getting Finale soon (I hope) and would like to be able to
>convert the resulting MIDI files to Csound scores with minimum pain.
>
>Terry Cast wrote:
>>converting MIDI files to scores that meets at least some of the following
>criteria:
>>
>>1. reliably translates channel number to instrument number, and velocity and
>>note number to given p-fields;
>>
>>2. optionally translates pitch-bend, aftertouch, continuous controllers,
>>etc.,
>>to user-definable p-fields;
>>
>>3. translates tempos;
>>
>>4. allows the user to convert selected tracks and/or measures (so the entire
>>song isn't compiled, to save time).
>
>This seems like a reasonable first wish list.
>
>BTW,I'm on a PowerMac.
Later,Good People,
Drew
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>Pure rationality , logic ,and democracy devoid of divine connotations has
>many distinct advantages :
>It does not discriminate on the basis of sex,age,sexual
>orientation,ethnic background,dietary habits,
>skin color,hair color,language,personal beliefs,preference in clothing
>,reading habits,inclination to wiggle one's hips like a maniac when cool
>music is heard,financial status,social status ,level of education,
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> Oh,yeah : anyone care to contribute something on the MIDI to Csound
> questions ?
Most of this has been already discussed at length several times, i
believe and people tend to be very fond of their private favourite
tools. These tools differ greatly with regard to the representation
used to manipulate midi file data and the amount of control over the
translation given to the user.
You will find that virtually all programs manipulate midi file data
on a texutal basis, which makes it hard, if not impossible to formulate
the kind of "intelligent" translations you are asking for. awk, perl
and shell scripting all falls into this category. max couldn't even
deal with midi files last time i checked.
i am not aware of any software other than common music that translates
midi file data into software objects. once translated, cm makes it
trivial to change them to csound objects of any kind and write them
out, given, of course, you are familiar with cm and lisp.
Essentially, you are asking for nothing less than a programmable
conversion utility, so you might as well go with a programming
environment.
>2. optionally translates pitch-bend, aftertouch, continuous controllers, etc.,
> to user-definable p-fields
>
>3. translates tempos;
>
>4. allows the user to convert selected tracks and/or measures (so the entire
> song isn't compiled, to save time).
>
>This seems like a reasonable first wish list.
well, 2. depends obviously how your orchestra is coded. if you have
instruments
whose sole purpose is to reset global variables, the translation is
trivial,
but if you have to use the tie-feature it gets more tricky, ie, you'll have
to
program it.
re 3.: the upcoming version of cm supports tempo objects that may be
written
out either in logical beat format or translated to real time. if you have
a
current binary, i can give you a patch.
4. trivial in cm
Hope this helps,
-Tobias
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This is an error message I put in in the course of tweaking the WAV
parsing. It should only occur if you are trying to read a compressed
format (ADPCM, mu-law etc), which has extra data in the header. Csound can
only accept uncompressed WAV files - 8, 16 or 32bit.
What is your 'standard wave recorder'?
It is worth checking the Multimedia settings under Control Panel, to make
sure that the recording quality is set to 'CD Quality'.
All versions of Cool Edit will load a file in one format and write it out
in another, and this is true of most waveform editors these days - though
Cool seems to cover more formats than most.
Richard Dobson
Ruston, Paul wrote:
> Stupid question number 2:
>
> New user - using Csound for Win95 - Computer idiot
>
> What's the best way to create soundin files. I had an error trying to
> use a sample I created in one of the standard wave recorders. The
> message was something like "Error - is wave file compressed?"
> Does it want a compressed file or an uncompressed file? and how can I
> change this file to the prefered format.
>
> Thanks for your patience.
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Steven Coolidge suggested I forward my private response to him on this
subject (Score11 tutorial from Eastman) to the list.
He states that "Mr. Schindler's tutorial from Eastman on Score11" is
"for Unix and Mac" and that he is a PC person.
The version of Score11 I have is a PC port, or at least works just fine
on the PC. (I've been using it that way for years.) I'm a PC person too.
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Steven & Wayne:
I don't know whether your interest is in Score11 directly, or the
tutorial, but Score11 "isn't just in-house Eastman any more." I've had
Score11 for close to ten years, have worked with it fairly extensively
(three of my four Csound comps), and have put together a packet of
materials on it for Boulanger's upcoming Csound CD. (I didn't even get
it from Eastman sources, but via Tom DeLio and Otto Laske.) Score11's
author is Alec Brinkman who is still at the Eastman School and who has
corresponded with me briefly.
If it's the Score11 materials you are after (.exe, manual, and brief
critique of mine), I'll be happy to send either of you a .zip file of
same. As far as the tutorial is concerned, I'd be as delighted as you to
have it available. Go for it!
Art Hunkins
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 19:06:21 -0700
From: Steven Coolidge
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Subject: Score11
The Eastman School Csound tutorial makes extensive use of files in
Score11 format, which seems to be an in-house score and orchestra file
generator. Has anyone asked Professor Schindler (tutorial author) if he
would make that program available for general use? If I get no negative
response to this query here, I may request myself that he post it.
Steven Coolidge
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sorry to say: lots of complaints about crashing on the motu-mac list with
Quicktime 3.0.
tolve
>Hello ,
>
>Just a thought, in case you haven't got QuickTime 3.0 yet.: - I was just
>reading the Sound Manager 3.3 (which I believe is incorporated in
>QuickTime 3.0) release notes.It appears as though it might make some
>noticible improvements.
>Especially with regard to handling different sample rates.etc..I have not
>yet downloaded QT 3.0 myself ,but thought I'd pass on the info.
>
>Has anyone who has it noticed any improvement ?
>
>Cheers,
>Drew
>
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At 12:40 PM 3/6/98, Drew Skyfyre wrote:
>Hello ,
>
>Just a thought, in case you haven't got QuickTime 3.0 yet.: - I was just
>reading the Sound Manager 3.3 (which I believe is incorporated in
>QuickTime 3.0) release notes.It appears as though it might make some
>noticible improvements.
>Especially with regard to handling different sample rates.etc..I have not
>yet downloaded QT 3.0 myself ,but thought I'd pass on the info.
>
>Has anyone who has it noticed any improvement ?
I installed QT3 the week it was released and removed it the week after !
If your using a 68k machine it appeares to be just about useless. Only a
few of the codecs were available and even the QT musical instrument
sounds, sounded worse than ever. It would also appear that some
features are only available once the software is registered. Some folks
are having trouble making the reg work too. I noticed no improvement
in anything and had much trouble with cinepack movies too. So I got
hold of the old QT2.5 installer and put it back.
However I believe there would be some improvement for Power Mac
users plus some new compression codecs too.
It does seem a bit annoying to have to register a System Extension
but there you go !
Peter Sansom
http://sustenance.va.com
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>>>using Nyquist?
>>>Is it worth learning? Does it have advantages over Csound,
>>
>>cmj art!kl 6monthz +\- ago
>
>Hmm, =,could you give some sort of very brief synopsis of the art!kl ,
>something that answers the original question ? Yeah and make it in plain
>English ;-)
!krementl komputat!on
d!nam!k storage allokat!on ov new s!gnalz
reprezentat!on ov !nf!n!te sndz
mult! channl mult!rate s!gnalz
((( )))) = l!sp
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Ruston, Paul wrote:
>
> What's the best way to create soundin files. I had an error trying to
> use a sample I created in one of the standard wave recorders. The
> message was something like "Error - is wave file compressed?"
> Does it want a compressed file or an uncompressed file? and how can I
> change this file to the prefered format.
I'm not sure if this answers your question, but I've had success just
renaming a .wav file "soundin.x" where x is the number it's looking for
in the P field.
> Stupid question number 2:
>
> New user - using Csound for Win95 - Computer idiot
Maybe we should have another mailing list for newbies to ask each other
dumb questions without feeling intimidated, and leave the experts to
concentrate on the ethereal reaches of the cosmos (though they seem a
helpful lot).
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Personally, I find the so-called 'newbie' questions very important, as they
often (as in the urrent example) highlight issues of error-handling and
documentation which might otherwise never get reported. Also, I don't know
what category I would be in - I'm not an 'oldie' either as a programmer or
as a Csound user, I waft betweeen 'newbie' and 'middleie' most of the time.
There is also the point that one may be a newbie in one rea, but an oldie in
another, so I am content to see everything in the one melting pot.
Richard Dobson
Steven Coolidge wrote:
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> dumb questions without feeling intimidated, and leave the experts to
> concentrate on the ethereal reaches of the cosmos (though they seem a
> helpful lot).
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tolve wrote:
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> sorry to say: lots of complaints about crashing on the motu-mac list
> with Quicktime 3.0.
I haven't had problems with Sound Manager 3.3 (even with Digital
Performer), but I can't say I've noticed a difference. If SM 3.0 works
for you, I'd suggest sticking with it.
---James
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Subject: Re: Newbie questions (concerning Csound Book, Extended Csound, archives)
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>>>>> "Sean" == Sean Costello writes:
Sean> Hi all:
Sean> Just subscribed to the list. Apologies if these are questions that have
Sean> been asked a million times before:
Sean> 1) I read in the mailing list archives about a Csound Book from MIT
Sean> Press. Any idea when this book should be released?
The book is in 'final' editing. I suspect that it has slipped a
little and will be out late summer.
Sean> 2) Are there any synth manufacturers planning to release synths using
Sean> Extended Csound? I know Generalmusic has released an effects plug-in
Sean> for one of their synths, that performs harmonizing using the AD chip.
Sean> Are there any companies that plan on offering a general hardware
Sean> platform, a la the Nord Modular or Kyma, that will use Extended Csound?
Sean> My dream synth at this point would be a DSP engine in a box with
Sean> knobs/touchplates/a keyboard/other realtime controls, that could be
Sean> programmed in Csound via a computer, yet could run stand-alone for live
Sean> performances like the Nord Modular. Is a synth similar to this in the
Sean> planning?
While one may hear rumours you are unlikely to get real answers, as
the manufacturer will want to keep surprise, and Analog will respect
that. I do hope that a composer-oriented Etended Csound system does
become available, as it would be so useful. But I have no information
and only passing commerical nouse.
Sean> 3) What unit generators are currently implemented in Extended Csound?
Sean> Are all of the v3.47 unit generators implemented? Are there additional
Sean> unit generators?
When I last looked carefully all opcodes in the public Csound until
last summer are in at least one version of Extended Csound. There are
possible problems with the physical modelling opcodes or course, as
Stanford claims some kind of ownership. Yes there are additional
opcodes, some of which surface as names here. Many of the XTC opcodes
are related to MIDI and realtime performance.
Sean> 4) How do I access the archives, so I can stop asking these questions?
Well there is the unorganised files in ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk in
pub/dream/Csound_Archive/ or some similar name. Others have HTML
versions.
==John ffitch
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>>>>> "Terry" == Terry Cast writes:
Terry> How can I use the -M flag in Winsound? I don't see it anywhere in the dialogs. BTW, it appears to me that perhaps only about half of the flags listed
Terry> in the Windows help file by rasmus ekman are accessible using the dialogs when you run winsound.exe. Why?
I forgot -M as I never use MIDI
Terry> Since "there is no code to deal with MIDI devices" in the Windows version of Csound and since at least some of us haven't been able to use MIDI files
Terry> with Csound in Windows, does anyone know of a Windows program for converting MIDI files to scores that meets at least some of the following criteria:
There is -F. There was a bug which I fixed some time ago. Which
version are you using?
Cannot answer any of those MIDI questions.
==John ffitch
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