Re: I am NOT good at English.

Date	1999-04-27 13:14
From	jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
Subject	Re: I am NOT good at English.
	Message written at 27 Apr 1999 10:59:12 +0100 --- Copy of mail to kanata@tokyo.interq.or.jp --- In-reply-to: <009e01be8f0c$5db9f4c0$7d86acd2@a.computer> (message from Kanata Motohashi on Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:08:42 +0900) References: <009e01be8f0c$5db9f4c0$7d86acd2@a.computer> I suppose it would be possible to create a version of Csoudn where the error messages were in an external file and so could be translated into any langauge. It woudl need a translator though! There is in existence somewhere a document with all the error messages that Csoudn could create, at least upto last summer. Would such a list help? Probably not ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05831; 27 Apr 99 13:19 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c6pL-0005qc-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:19:03 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA00635); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:13:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:13:38 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA07815); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:13:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.99.25] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c6k4-0001xY-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:13:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 13:13:36 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 27 Apr 1999 10:12:54 +0100 --- Copy of mail to jlemoin@ibm.net --- Some time back while I was away there was a discussion about innaccuracies in the length of time of notes. I have been thinking about this a little and I think there is a problem on some platforms in the printing of the score.srt and re-reading the numbers. This is done with standard C IO routines, and on some implementations these seem highly inaccurate. I can think of a couple of ways round this. Perhaps teh simplest would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, and so preserve all teh bits. This woudl of course mean that one could not guarantee that one could transport the score.srt file to another machine -- does anyone actually do that? A second approach would be to write ones own printing and reading so it would be consistent, but that sounds liek real work! Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data rather than an external file. So, any thoughts or recommendations? I am willing to do the coding if we have a reasonable consensus on what to do. ==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05849; 27 Apr 99 13:25 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c6vz-0001yS-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:25:55 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA08244); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:22:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:22:31 +0100 Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA04076); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:22:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from Realizer (user-2ive0bj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.1.115]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA05671; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301be90a8$b883bf60$79d496c0@Realizer.ngt.sungard.com> From: Michael Gogins To: Jamie Bullock , Csound List Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't know that many pieces by Xenakis, but I've enjoyed most of what I've heard, and I own some. The most import for me has been The Legend of Eer, because it is all computer music and algorithmically composed as well. It probably is one of the best pieces of computer music, period. I think anyone interested in algorithmically composed or synthesized music should study this piece. -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Bullock To: Csound List Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 9:32 PM Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? >I don't think recordings of Xenakis' music are particularly abundant. > >There are two classic recordings on the Montaigne label; the first is a >selection of chamber music from 1955-1990 [MO 782005] - valiantly performed >by the Arditti Quartet and Claude Helffer, the second is La Legend d'Eer >[MO 782058] for 8-channel tape. > >The first release gives a good feeling for Xenakis' general stylistic and >technical evolution whilst La Legend d'Eer is probably his most extensive >contribution to electroacoustic music. > >I wish you the best of luck! > >regards >-jb > > >On April 27th Hans Mikelson wrote: > >>Can someone recommend a good representative Xenakis recording? >> >>Thanks, >>Hans Mikelson >> >> > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05860; 27 Apr 99 13:30 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c706-0005r3-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:30:10 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA06747); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:25:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:25:06 +0100 Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA11213); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:24:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from Realizer (user-2ive0bj.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.1.115]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA31498; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001401be90a9$1154de80$79d496c0@Realizer.ngt.sungard.com> From: Michael Gogins To: zuijlen@ibm.net, Csound List MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: Re: Winsound not compiling in MSVC++ version 6.0 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:25:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I use Visual C++ 6 professional edition, but I don't compile straight Csound, I compile my own version, AXCsound, which is available from my web site at http://www.pipeline.com/~gogins. Over the years I have resigned myself to the broken project files. I just throw all the c and cpp files into the project to start with. -----Original Message----- From: Job M. van Zuijlen To: Csound List Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 10:13 PM Subject: Re: Winsound not compiling in MSVC++ version 6.0 >I have been able to compile Csound using MSVC++ version 5.0, but that >must have been around version 3.48 (last year). I do remember having to >do a lot of editing to the makefile to get a decent project file (at >least I think that's how I did it). > >Job van Zuijlen > >Sean Costello wrote: >> >> >> P.S. Do people normally use MSVC++ version 6.0 to compile Winsound? >> Should I reinstall version 4.0? Are there any bug fixes for version 6.0 >> that are relevant to compiling Csound? Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05981; 27 Apr 99 14:04 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c7X4-00020W-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:04:14 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA16835); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:58:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:58:11 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA04428); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:58:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c7RC-000204-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:58:10 +0100 From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: costello@seanet.com CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-reply-to: <3724F885.961DC18D@seanet.com> (message from Sean Costello on Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:36:37 -0700) Subject: Re: Winsound not compiling in MSVC++ version 6.0 References: <3724F885.961DC18D@seanet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 13:58:01 BST Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I use MSVC 5 and the project files in teh distribution are the ones from my disk, inless WinZip is not working. all_free is defined in memalloc.c but is protected by the macro MEMDEBUG. I suspect that teh line in main.c should similarly be protected by MEMDEBUG It took me les time to determine this that it took you to type your message! ==John Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06122; 27 Apr 99 14:26 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c7sG-00022Z-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:26:08 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA00887); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:22:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:22:45 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA06714); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:22:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c7ov-000226-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:22:41 +0100 From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: hljmm@werewolf.net CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-reply-to: <87E25BFE149AD21194CC00A0C999D9892A79B2@mail2.c-bridge.com> (message from Grant Covell on Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:33:48 -0400) Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? References: <87E25BFE149AD21194CC00A0C999D9892A79B2@mail2.c-bridge.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 14:22:36 BST Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I concur with Grant's list, which is almost teh core of my CD collestion. One problem I do have with the original question. To my ears what make Xenakis so exciting and probably my favourite living composer is that there is nothing which is typical. Each piece is new and different. I particularly like Haar which Audreay and I listened to a great deal driving in the North West of Scotland a few years back. Not sure if it is available though; I have a tape taken off the Glasgow Xenakis Festival some years ago. Certainly Kraanerg, the Arditti double-disk (Musique de Chambre), and Pleades (Precussion de Strasberg) and "Xenakis: Electronic Music", EMF CD 003 are good places to start. ==John ff Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06189; 27 Apr 99 14:40 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c85l-0005tY-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:40:05 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA13243); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:37:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:37:32 +0100 Received: from ccrma.Stanford.EDU [36.49.0.84] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA10312); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:37:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccrma.stanford.edu ([207.97.74.35]) by ccrma.stanford.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA08304; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3725BBB0.3050E01@ccrma.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:29:20 -0400 From: Tobias Kunze X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Arne Hanna CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Markov Chains References: <199904270522.PAA23290@bohm.anu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk off the top of my head i can only think of Orm Finnendahl . He implemented a pretty neat Max markov object a while back that is actually controllable in real-time (ie, you can control the table data as well as how they adapt using MIDI controllers). Give him a buzz... -Tobias Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06230; 27 Apr 99 14:54 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c8K9-0005u7-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:54:57 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA11155); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:52:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:51:48 +0100 Received: from [205.159.140.2] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA03437); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:51:44 +0100 (BST) Received: (from dkrause@localhost) by netside.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id JAA26623; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Drew Krause To: Arne Hanna cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Markov Chains In-Reply-To: <199904270522.PAA23290@bohm.anu.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Charles Ames' neglected program "Compose" for the Mac has a module for Markov Chains, with a simple interface to enter constant or variable states and transition probabilities. It also generates csound score lists. If the program and its tutorials are not archived anywhere, they should be. //////////////////////////////// Drew Krause Miami, FL dkrause@netside.net \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06244; 27 Apr 99 15:02 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c8Rn-0005uW-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:02:51 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA17151); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:00:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:00:12 +0100 Received: from mail.adinet.com.uy [206.99.44.235] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA10292); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:00:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from luisjure (r40-22.uruguay.net.uy [200.2.40.22]) by mail.adinet.com.uy (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA14400 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:59:20 -0300 (GMT) Message-ID: <009701be90b2$afaa3ae0$162802c8@luisjure> From: luis jure To: CSound list Subject: RE: Recommended Xenakis? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:02:21 -0230 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Grant Covell has already mentioned many Xenakis' recordings. I second his opinion that >"Iannis Xenakis: Phlegra, Jalons, Keren, Nomos Alpha", Erato 2292-45770-2 is an important CD. I don't think it's out of print, quite the contrary it should be easily available. I also agree that the recordings by the ST-X Ensemble in the mode label are not particulary good. It's a pity because it's a nice collection, with interesting pieces like Eonta and Rebonds. But in the orchestral category, I'd like to add Dammerschein (a umlaut, in fact). It can be found in mode #53 (Juan Pablo Izquierdo, conductor), together with Persephassa -a classic for percussion-, La Deesse Athena, and ... Varese's Ameriques. I don't have this CD, I don't even know who plays Persephassa, but Dammerschein is quite a piece. By the way, I would say that Metastasis and specially Phitoprakta are important for more than mere historical reasons. And one last remark: Grant mentioned that Concret PH was realised for the Philips Pavilion at the 1958 World Fair in Brussels, where Varese's Poeme Electronique was also played. The pavilion is always attributed the famous architect LeCorbusier; it was in fact designed by Xenakis himself (who was then LeCorbusier's collaborator), following the same structures he had used for composing Metastasis. That's something LeCorbusier always tried to conceal and the books fail to say. Received: from xenakis.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06273; 27 Apr 99 15:08 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: abart@berlin.snafu.de CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-reply-to: <3724E1A8.250391F7@berlin.snafu.de> (message from Andre Bartetzki on Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:59:06 +0000) Subject: Re: nsamp() error BCC: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk References: <3724E1A8.250391F7@berlin.snafu.de> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 15:08:39 BST Sender: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. This is my mistake. I have fixed it on my system, For those with source, change "nsamp" to "nsamp_i" in entry.c (and do not ask why!) Thank you for the bug report ==John Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06293; 27 Apr 99 15:14 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c8d1-0005v3-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:14:27 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA02999); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:09:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:09:05 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA05234); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:09:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c8XT-00026F-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:08:43 +0100 From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: abart@berlin.snafu.de CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-reply-to: <3724E1A8.250391F7@berlin.snafu.de> (message from Andre Bartetzki on Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:59:06 +0000) Subject: Re: nsamp() error References: <3724E1A8.250391F7@berlin.snafu.de> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 15:08:39 BST Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is my mistake. I have fixed it on my system, For those with source, change "nsamp" to "nsamp_i" in entry.c (and do not ask why!) Thank you for the bug report ==John Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06325; 27 Apr 99 15:23 BST Received: from [204.89.144.3] (helo=big.fishnet.net ident=root) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c8lG-0005vg-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:22:59 +0100 Received: from rcsreg.com (x220.core.fishnet.net [204.89.144.220]) by big.fishnet.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03316; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: toby@big.fishnet.net Message-ID: <3725C8CB.499CEB39@rcsreg.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:25:15 +0000 From: Tobiah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, > and so preserve all teh bits. I vote for the binary file. C is portable, but you don't move object files from platform to platform. One always saves the source code even when the program is finished. Likewise, one would (should) always save the score file from which the score.srt was fashioned. Then it can always be remade on another platform. Say, this gives me quite an idea. I am one who uses programs to generate any score that I make, often from C. It would be nice if csound could accept a binary score file! Then we could just use fwrite() to dump arrays of floats to the file rather than resorting to printf(). Not a very large concern perhaps. Toby Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06333; 27 Apr 99 15:26 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c8op-0005vn-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:26:39 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA05968); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:23:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:23:11 +0100 Received: from root@big.fishnet.net [204.89.144.3] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA11435); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:23:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from rcsreg.com (x220.core.fishnet.net [204.89.144.220]) by big.fishnet.net (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03316; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3725C8CB.499CEB39@rcsreg.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:25:15 +0000 From: Tobiah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, > and so preserve all teh bits. I vote for the binary file. C is portable, but you don't move object files from platform to platform. One always saves the source code even when the program is finished. Likewise, one would (should) always save the score file from which the score.srt was fashioned. Then it can always be remade on another platform. Say, this gives me quite an idea. I am one who uses programs to generate any score that I make, often from C. It would be nice if csound could accept a binary score file! Then we could just use fwrite() to dump arrays of floats to the file rather than resorting to printf(). Not a very large concern perhaps. Toby Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06364; 27 Apr 99 15:45 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c97U-000292-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:45:56 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA00912); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:43:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:43:01 +0100 Received: from sndart.cemi.unt.edu [129.120.63.1] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA18527); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:42:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from sndart.cemi.unt.edu (sndart.cemi.unt.edu [129.120.63.1]) by sndart.cemi.unt.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id HAA15231 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3725C742.38D256FB@sndart.cemi.unt.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:18:42 -0700 From: Jon Christopher Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? References: <00c701be904c$f240cd80$0287bc93@iceman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jamie Bullock wrote: > I don't think recordings of Xenakis' music are particularly abundant. > > There are two classic recordings on the Montaigne label; the first is a > selection of chamber music from 1955-1990 [MO 782005] - valiantly performed > by the Arditti Quartet and Claude Helffer, the second is La Legend d'Eer > [MO 782058] for 8-channel tape. > > The first release gives a good feeling for Xenakis' general stylistic and > technical evolution whilst La Legend d'Eer is probably his most extensive > contribution to electroacoustic music. > > I wish you the best of luck! > > regards > -jb > > On April 27th Hans Mikelson wrote: > > >Can someone recommend a good representative Xenakis recording? > > > >Thanks, > >Hans Mikelson > > > > Actually, you can find quite a few Xanakis recordings these days. Try looking at www.emf.org. They sell a good selection of EA music and, last I looked, have a pretty decent selection of Xanakis recordings. later, jon Jon Christopher Nelson, Director CEMI: Center for Experimental Music and Intermedia University of North texas College of Music PO Box 311367 Denton, TX 76203-1367 ph. (940) 369-7531 fax (940) 565-2002 jnelson@music.cmm.unt.edu Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06523; 27 Apr 99 16:31 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10c9pM-0005yK-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:31:16 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA11710); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:29:11 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:28:57 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (QAA17600); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:28:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.91.38](really [207.241.91.38]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:28:49 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:53:59 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > Actually, you can find quite a few Xanakis recordings these days. Try >looking at www.emf.org. They sell a good selection of EA music and, last I >looked, have a pretty decent selection of Xanakis recordings. > emj =3D exploitation. X-Sender: jchadabe@capital.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:15:32 -0500 To: antiorp@tezcat.com =46rom: Electronic Music Foundation Subject: CD Hello! We got a few copies of your CD from Frog Peak and we think it's great! We'd like to sell them. So ... So, for purposes of listing, could you clarify the title of the CD and the label? [ permit someone to smile at the idiocy of corporat humans] Are there reviews? [ no - and they are too wonderful ] Do you have any notes? [ akademia =3D korporat slaves . m9ndfukc besser als] What is the composer's name? [ null pointer ] Would you like to sell to us direct? [ no. would not ] or do you prefer that we buy from Frog Peak? [ would prefer that emf korporat fascist konglomerat does not sell =3Dcw4t7abs data ] Best, Joel [zttz zlave] anzuer - refusz. emf =3D korporat fasc!zt konglomerat. \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| \|\|\|\|\|\|: netochka nezvanova : curriculum vitae 1995 ...... raging women + 1 bad man - dance theater 1996 graduated from the conservatory - classical thea.= .. =3Dcw4t7abs - instantiated Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06544; 27 Apr 99 16:51 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cA8a-0005yz-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:51:08 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA16973); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:45:16 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:45:03 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (QAA15670); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:45:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.91.38](really [207.241.91.38]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:43:31 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:08:41 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >From: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" >Subject: Re: [cccp] 5th edition international festival of computer arts > >Hmph itz in where Slovienia? Soundz interesting but... geting money >from NASA for international trips is like pulling teeth az du = well auare dze un!ted znakex govnmnt = prov!dez ksch data [aku!rd 4rom prev p!llag!ng] 4 eczterm!nat!on kampa!gnz + m!l!tar! r!zarch eczkluz!vl!. en fakt 1 ver! portl! zekt!on ov a k a d e m ! a = zubz!d!szd w!th dze ver! zkope ov k ! l l ! n g + mut!lat!ng l!f 4rmz !n the "0+3 world" >>"I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? Oh! You're finished! Well, >>allow me to retort..." >> -from _Pulp Fiction_ > prez!zl!. ma! ! = hav zom tort. http://www.partisan.net Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06566; 27 Apr 99 16:58 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cAFs-0002Ck-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:58:40 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA05387); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:57:02 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:56:44 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (QAA01308); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:56:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.91.38](really [207.241.91.38]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:56:39 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:21:49 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? \\ part deux Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk oopz. depart rap!dl! > Actually, you can find quite a few Xanakis recordings these days. Try >looking at www.emf.org. They sell a good selection of EA music and, last I >looked, have a pretty decent selection of Xanakis recordings. > emf =3D exploitation. X-Sender: jchadabe@capital.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:15:32 -0500 To: antiorp@tezcat.com =46rom: Electronic Music Foundation Subject: CD Hello! We got a few copies of your CD from Frog Peak and we think it's great! We'd like to sell them. So ... So, for purposes of listing, could you clarify the title of the CD and the label? [ permit someone to smile at the idiocy of corporat humans] Are there reviews? [ no - and they are too wonderful ] Do you have any notes? [ akademia =3D korporat slaves . m9ndfukc besser als] What is the composer's name? [ null pointer ] Would you like to sell to us direct? [ no. would not ] or do you prefer that we buy from Frog Peak? 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In-Reply-To: <87E25BFE149AD21194CC00A0C999D9892A79B2@mail2.c-bridge.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have a Le Chant du Monde/Harmonia Mundi release of Pithoprakta, Metastasis and Eonta on CD, which I purchased about 5 years ago.. It would be a shame if these were no longer available -- without having to spend the big $$ anyway. LDC 278 368 Hope you can find it! Ben > >Historically, Xenakis' first compositions for orchestra , Metastasis and >Pithropratka are worth seeking, but they're on LPs or in big bulky bricks >that cover retrospectives of the major contemporary music festivals >(Metastatsis is on a 4CD brick on Col Legno, 40 Jahre Donaueschinger >Musiktage 1950-1990, Col Legno AU-031800). Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06631; 27 Apr 99 17:16 BST Received: from [156.3.140.104] (helo=shoko.calarts.edu) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cAXL-0002E2-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:16:43 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00961 for music-dsp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:47:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shoko.calarts.edu: majordom set sender to owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu using -f Received: from anago.wwa.com (anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54]) by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA00917; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from [207.241.91.38](really [207.241.91.38]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:43:31 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:08:41 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Sender: owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu >From: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" >Subject: Re: [cccp] 5th edition international festival of computer arts > >Hmph itz in where Slovienia? Soundz interesting but... geting money >from NASA for international trips is like pulling teeth az du = well auare dze un!ted znakex govnmnt = prov!dez ksch data [aku!rd 4rom prev p!llag!ng] 4 eczterm!nat!on kampa!gnz + m!l!tar! r!zarch eczkluz!vl!. en fakt 1 ver! portl! zekt!on ov a k a d e m ! a = zubz!d!szd w!th dze ver! zkope ov k ! l l ! n g + mut!lat!ng l!f 4rmz !n the "0+3 world" >>"I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? Oh! You're finished! Well, >>allow me to retort..." >> -from _Pulp Fiction_ > prez!zl!. ma! ! = hav zom tort. http://www.partisan.net dupswapdrop: the music-dsp mailing list and website http://shoko.calarts.edu/~glmrboy/musicdsp/music-dsp.html Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06639; 27 Apr 99 17:16 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cAXM-000609-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:16:44 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA01119); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:15:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:14:59 +0100 Received: from root@ppp110.131.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.131.110] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA05243); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:14:55 +0100 (BST) Received: by tiger.dhis.org via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:23:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:23:29 -0500 From: Antoine Lefebvre To: Mailing List Subject: suggestions Message-ID: <19990427112329.A287@tiger.dhis.org> Reply-To: antoinelefebvre@softhome.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I have to prepare a short presentation on csound that I will made in Montreal in June. I would like to have some example or little compositions that show different characteristic and style of music from csound. If you have any suggestions, please send it to me by email, thanks a lot -- Antoine Lefebvre antoinelefebvre@softhome.net http://pages.infinit.net/linux/rocket/rocket.html http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06736; 27 Apr 99 17:50 BST Received: from [144.91.3.20] (helo=ella.mills.edu) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cB3j-00061Q-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 610432 invoked by uid 1964); 27 Apr 1999 09:49:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matt J. Ingalls" To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data > rather than an external file. i would vote for this - with a temp.srt file for large scores that cant fit in memory - and blow away the thing automatically when done. -matt Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06749; 27 Apr 99 17:52 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cB6N-0002Fs-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:52:55 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA05338); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:50:01 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu [144.91.3.20] by hermes via SMTP (RAA08234); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:49:59 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 610432 invoked by uid 1964); 27 Apr 1999 09:49:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matt J. Ingalls" To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data > rather than an external file. i would vote for this - with a temp.srt file for large scores that cant fit in memory - and blow away the thing automatically when done. -matt Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06786; 27 Apr 99 18:06 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cBJr-0002GO-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:06:51 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA16635); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:04:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:04:30 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA15072); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:04:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp04-04.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.196]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19823; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:04:18 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <37257F3B.55247CF9@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:11:23 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Bartetzki CC: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: nsamp() error References: <3724E1A8.250391F7@berlin.snafu.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk nsamp() works OK with DirectCsound on my computer. Send me the orc/sco pair to test with. -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm Andre Bartetzki wrote: > > Hello, > > has anyone ever used the nsamp() function? > I want to set the duration of an event to the length of a soundfile in f1 > (GEN01) this way: > > p3 = nsamp(1) / sr > > but it seems that nsamp is unknown to csound: > > ------------------------- > orch compiler: > 20 lines read > instr 1 > error: illegal opcod from expr anal, line 10: > p3 = nsamp(1) / sr > error: input arg '#i0' used before defined, line 10: > p3 = nsamp(1) / sr > 2 syntax errors in orchestra. compilation invalid > ------------------------- > > Although nsamp is listed by the -z flag! > > I've got this error both with 3.51 (Mills Mac version) and 3.53 (IRIX binary). > > What's wrong here? > > Andre > Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06841; 27 Apr 99 18:24 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cBab-0002Hl-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:24:09 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA09891); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:22:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:21:47 +0100 Received: from angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112] by hermes via SMTP (SAA12613); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:21:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 9285 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1999 19:21:45 +0200 Received: from du242-91.ppp.algonet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.91.242) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 19:21:45 +0200 From: Anders Andersson To: The CSound mailinglist Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:00:06 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Localization of CSound MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I suppose it would be possible to create a version of Csoudn where the > error messages were in an external file and so could be translated > into any langauge. It woudl need a translator though! Wow! If this would be easy, then why not? It would add a whole lot to the "seriousness" of the program. Normally, all people that use tools like this use to be quite good at understanding english, and many of us actually prefer to use programs in English vs [insert own language her], but as i wrote.. Why not? (except for the constant increasing number of sourcefiles, and the work for ffitch! =) // Anders Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06848; 27 Apr 99 18:25 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cBbw-0002Hy-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:25:32 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA07556); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:22:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:21:49 +0100 Received: from angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112] by hermes via SMTP (SAA05044); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:21:48 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 9298 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1999 19:21:46 +0200 Received: from du242-91.ppp.algonet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.91.242) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 19:21:46 +0200 From: Anders Andersson To: The CSound mailinglist Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:00:31 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 2.0Preview7 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck - http://www.yam.ch Subject: Re: wave file length accurency (vote) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I can think of a couple of ways round this. Perhaps teh simplest > would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, > and so preserve all teh bits. This woudl of course mean that one > could not guarantee that one could transport the score.srt file to > another machine -- does anyone actually do that? > A second approach would be to write ones own printing and reading so > it would be consistent, but that sounds liek real work! > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data > rather than an external file. I vote for the first option. Using a binary score.raw would both be precise, and would cause a speed-up in both writing the file, and reading into CSound. (One could even add an external score.raw->score.srt converter, so that the sorted score could be translated back to ASCII, if really neccesary) // Anders (Optimize! Optimize! :D) Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06923; 27 Apr 99 19:01 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cCAX-0002LD-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:01:17 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA01940); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:59:50 +0100 (BST) From: SteinersT1@aol.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:59:38 +0100 Received: from imo17.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.7] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA07557); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 18:59:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from SteinersT1@aol.com (354) by imo17.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 9VFVa23549 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:57:52 EDT Subject: hYdraJ on Mac To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 23 Reply-To: SteinersT1@aol.com Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi list, I tried to test hYdraJ on Mac but after struggling for HOURS with these=20 socalled machines which I don't like from now, I would like to ask how to=20 start java APPLICATIONS on it? =A7$%!/"(=A7)$!"=A7ARRGGL Malte Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06993; 27 Apr 99 19:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cCVK-0002N0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:22:46 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA00348); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:21:55 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:21:43 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (TAA14721); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:21:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.91.38](really [207.241.91.38]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:21:41 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:46:51 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: hYdraJ on Mac Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Hi list, hallo SteinersT1@aol.com >I tried to test hYdraJ on Mac but after struggling for HOURS with these >socalled machines o. suposz du =3D konz!dr dze modl c!t!zn pent!um du =3D ut!l!z!ng 1 ztate ov dze art mask!n. >which I don't like from now, zupr.klass!f!kat!on =3D kondusz!v 2 progresz. [sol++] hensz dze kuer! b.lo =3D !relvnt az !t !=3D helth! 2okup! 1nz t!.me w!th dzat wh!ch 1 !=3D l!ke. > I would like to ask how to >start java APPLICATIONS on it? + gentl! for HOURS >=A7$%!/"(=A7)$!"=A7ARRGGL + gentl! for HOURS Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07035; 27 Apr 99 19:54 BST Received: from [195.62.32.1] (helo=agora.stm.it) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cD0L-0002PE-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:50 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp02-04.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.68]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19586; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:54:44 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <3726094F.AC364333@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:00:31 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that a text file with the score sorted is very useful especially when using macros to debug the source. I also added an 'orc.srt' writing in order to debug orchestra macro errors. Maybe the best choice is to use memory to process data, but optionally show the result of sorting and macro expansion in two text files. -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Message written at 27 Apr 1999 10:12:54 +0100 > --- Copy of mail to jlemoin@ibm.net --- > > Some time back while I was away there was a discussion about > innaccuracies in the length of time of notes. I have been thinking > about this a little and I think there is a problem on some platforms > in the printing of the score.srt and re-reading the numbers. This is > done with standard C IO routines, and on some implementations these > seem highly inaccurate. > I can think of a couple of ways round this. Perhaps teh simplest > would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, > and so preserve all teh bits. This woudl of course mean that one > could not guarantee that one could transport the score.srt file to > another machine -- does anyone actually do that? > A second approach would be to write ones own printing and reading so > it would be consistent, but that sounds liek real work! > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data > rather than an external file. > > So, any thoughts or recommendations? I am willing to do the coding if > we have a reasonable consensus on what to do. > > ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07041; 27 Apr 99 19:57 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cD3G-00069t-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:57:50 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA02955); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:55:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:54 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (TAA12306); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:54:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp02-04.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.68]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA19586; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:54:44 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <3726094F.AC364333@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:00:31 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think that a text file with the score sorted is very useful especially when using macros to debug the source. I also added an 'orc.srt' writing in order to debug orchestra macro errors. Maybe the best choice is to use memory to process data, but optionally show the result of sorting and macro expansion in two text files. -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Message written at 27 Apr 1999 10:12:54 +0100 > --- Copy of mail to jlemoin@ibm.net --- > > Some time back while I was away there was a discussion about > innaccuracies in the length of time of notes. I have been thinking > about this a little and I think there is a problem on some platforms > in the printing of the score.srt and re-reading the numbers. This is > done with standard C IO routines, and on some implementations these > seem highly inaccurate. > I can think of a couple of ways round this. Perhaps teh simplest > would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, > and so preserve all teh bits. This woudl of course mean that one > could not guarantee that one could transport the score.srt file to > another machine -- does anyone actually do that? > A second approach would be to write ones own printing and reading so > it would be consistent, but that sounds liek real work! > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data > rather than an external file. > > So, any thoughts or recommendations? I am willing to do the coding if > we have a reasonable consensus on what to do. > > ==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07103; 27 Apr 99 20:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cDRC-0002Rm-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:22:34 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (UAA17805); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:20:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:20:35 +0100 Received: from wunder.interq.net [210.172.128.12] by hermes via ESMTP (UAA12934); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:20:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from s.a.computer (KOKcc-05p65.ppp.odn.ad.jp [210.231.25.65]) by wunder.interq.net (8.9.0/8.9.1/matt89-pop) with SMTP id EAA18326 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:20:30 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <00a101be90e3$02a50e20$4119e7d2@a.computer> From: Kanata Motohashi To: Csound Mailing List References: Subject: Localize to Japanese Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:20:25 +0900 Organization: Stand Alone Records MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have not yet understood Csound itself and am not good at English as you know. But I would like to translate any part if I can and his work is possible. Kanata Motohashi > I suppose it would be possible to create a version of Csoudn where the > error messages were in an external file and so could be translated > into any langauge. It woudl need a translator though! > > There is in existence somewhere a document with all the error > messages that Csoudn could create, at least upto last summer. Would > such a list help? Probably not > > ==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07151; 27 Apr 99 21:02 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cE3o-0002Ug-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:02:28 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA12857); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:01:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:00:56 +0100 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.118.20] by hermes via ESMTP (VAA04189); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:00:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (from jim-ra@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA14411; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:00:27 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:00:27 -0700 From: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" Message-Id: <199904272000.NAA14411@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Subject: Re: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk bullshit- the serbs started the bullshit and we (USA) once again has to come to europe ( this time in the guise of NATO ) and wipe the anal rectum known as serbia Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07166; 27 Apr 99 21:07 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cE8i-0006Ep-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:07:32 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA17970); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:06:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:06:07 +0100 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.118.20] by hermes via ESMTP (VAA11999); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:06:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from jim-ra@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) id NAA14505; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:05:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:05:39 -0700 From: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" Message-Id: <199904272005.NAA14505@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Subject: Re: Recommended Xenakis? \\ part deux Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk funny lil' sig ya got there f1fo @ m9ndfukc . com how do ya like this one: See ya - There are no longer "dancers," the possesed. The cleavage of men into actors and spectators is the central fact of our time We are obsessed with heroes live for us and whom we punish ... We have metamorphasized from a mad body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes staring in the dark. -Jim Morrison - Screw jim and the accountants I'm gonna webdance the matrix from L5 forever... -Sean Nelson do ya like jim morrison's musak/ poetry ohhhh by the way his dad was a admiral in th US Navy I too served in the US Navy Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07186; 27 Apr 99 21:18 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cEJF-0006FY-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:18:25 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA17454); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:17:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:17:05 +0100 Received: from jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9] by hermes via SMTP (VAA16491); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:17:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 22348 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1999 20:13:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cableinet.co.uk) (194.117.146.105) by jaguars with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 20:13:03 -0000 Message-ID: <37261BB8.AE3BE26B@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:19:04 +0100 From: Richard Dobson Organization: Composers Desktop Project X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: wave file length accurency References: <3726094F.AC364333@agora.stm.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I always look for a 'both-and' sort of solution to issues like this - the binary sorted score (or individual events in the same format) would seem to be just the thing for sending in real-time to a running orchestra (works very nicely in XTCsound, even as text), with minimum startup delay from Csound. The score.srt text file is ovbiously useful too, as is the in-memory option; so hopefully we can have the best of all worlds (he said, greedily...)? Richard Dobson Gabriel Maldonado wrote: > > I think that a text file with the score sorted is very useful > especially when using macros to debug the source. > I also added an 'orc.srt' writing in order to debug orchestra macro > errors. > > Maybe the best choice is to use memory to process data, but optionally > show the result of sorting and macro expansion in two text files. > -- Test your DAW with my Soundcard Attrition Page! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/rwd CDP homepage: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masjpf/CDP/CDP.htm Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07194; 27 Apr 99 21:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cENF-0006Fo-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:22:33 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA15662); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:21:19 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:21:07 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (VAA17688); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:21:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.91.38](really [207.241.91.38]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:21:06 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:46:16 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Re: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" >bullshit- the serbs started the bullshit and we (USA) once again has >to come to europe ( this time in the guise of NATO ) glad du = konkur re: `gu!ze ov nato` > and wipe >the anal rectum known as serbia zerta!nl! dze us.fasc!ztz kould rema!n "home" + w!pe 's bukal or!f!sz >do ya like jim morrison's musak/ poetry >ohhhh by the way his dad was a admiral in th US Navy >I too served in the US Navy an admiral + o. apropoz. j!m mor!sson != ver! fond ov h!z fadzr. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07208; 27 Apr 99 21:23 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cEOS-0006Fu-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:23:48 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA15430); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:22:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:22:27 +0100 Received: from jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9] by hermes via SMTP (VAA16735); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:22:26 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 22814 invoked from network); 27 Apr 1999 20:18:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cableinet.co.uk) (194.117.146.105) by jaguars with SMTP; 27 Apr 1999 20:18:25 -0000 Message-ID: <37261CFB.1F8D2265@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:24:27 +0100 From: Richard Dobson Organization: Composers Desktop Project X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The CSound mailinglist Subject: Re: Localization of CSound References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Localized string tables are a natural component of Windows, for just this task (don't know about other platforms, but I imagine a similar system is used). It may be easy, but probably somewhat tedious and time-consuming to do! One problem may be that to support the non-western alphabets, I presume that Unicode will need to be used, something I have yet to tackle even in Windows! Richard Dobson Anders Andersson wrote: > > > I suppose it would be possible to create a version of Csoudn where the > > error messages were in an external file and so could be translated > > into any langauge. It woudl need a translator though! > > Wow! If this would be easy, then why not? > It would add a whole lot to the "seriousness" of the program. > Normally, all people that use tools like this use to be quite > good at understanding english, and many of us actually prefer > to use programs in English vs [insert own language her], > but as i wrote.. Why not? > (except for the constant increasing number of sourcefiles, > and the work for ffitch! =) > > // Anders -- Test your DAW with my Soundcard Attrition Page! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/rwd CDP homepage: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masjpf/CDP/CDP.htm Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07238; 27 Apr 99 21:49 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cEnX-0002YG-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:49:43 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA14232); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:45:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:45:46 +0100 Received: from crius.flash.net [209.30.0.40] by hermes via ESMTP (VAB03842); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:45:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from bigfoot.com (p237-189.atnt3.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.237.189]) by crius.flash.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA16840 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:45:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3726220A.DF0DBA28@bigfoot.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:46:02 -0500 From: pete moss Organization: pete moss GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound Subject: algo-comp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk awhile back, someone posted about the algo-comp list. i havent been able to get on to it. is anyone here a member? do you know the address for subscribing? pete Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07279; 27 Apr 99 22:13 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cFAs-0006J6-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:13:50 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA06825); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:12:19 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:12:07 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (WAA06204); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:12:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.62.174](really [207.241.62.174]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:12:05 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:37:15 -0600 To: csound Subject: Re: algo-comp Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >awhile back, someone posted about the algo-comp list. i havent been >able to get on to it. is anyone here a member? oui. cest formidable. >do you know the address >for subscribing? non. would walk away if heroic was perhaps. perhaps would not. am locked out. want in. but have no right. we are cold out here. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07290; 27 Apr 99 22:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cFI5-0002aY-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:21:17 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA07711); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:19:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:19:01 +0100 Received: from thudson1.cygnus.com [205.226.144.45] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA05786); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from cygnus.com (thudson@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thudson1.cygnus.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09352 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:17:22 -0400 Message-ID: <37262962.7F25E29C@cygnus.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:17:22 -0400 From: Thomas Hudson Organization: Cygnus Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: The CSound mailinglist Subject: Re: Localization of CSound References: <37261CFB.1F8D2265@cableinet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Richard Dobson wrote: > > Localized string tables are a natural component of Windows, for just > this task (don't know about other platforms, but I imagine a similar > system is used). It may be easy, but probably somewhat tedious and > time-consuming to do! > If you use "gettext", it can do much of the work for you. It is easier to use than the string resources in windows, since the original text is used as a lookup for the translated text. Typically you just have to use a macros like: #define _(String) gettext (String) Thus the programmer doesn't have to deal with resource IDs. It is also portable between unix and windows (using cygwin, see http://sourceware.cygnus.com/cygwin/). For a good introduction to using gettext and other i18n issues see http://i44www.info.uni-karlsruhe.de/~drepper/conf96/paper.html Thomas Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07377; 27 Apr 99 22:48 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cFic-0002ci-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:48:42 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA03355); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:46:49 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:46:36 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (WAA18442); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:46:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.62.174](really [207.241.62.174]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:44:46 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:57 -0600 To: meter@flicker.dk Cc: time , 7-11 <7-11@mila.ljudmila.org>, Rhizome , olala Paris , FLUXLIST@fluxus.org, flash art , jesis@xs4all.nl, n5m , i22@test.at, gatekeeper@hell.com, sp@ost.farmersmanual.co.at, soundhack@shoko.calarts.edu, keinmensch , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu, essl@eunet.at, pd-list@iem.mhsg.ac.at, extreme@topica.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-04/27/11335.html the "humanitarian assistance" of american + nato fascists hallo. jankee c!t!zn. dze fasc!zt jankee med!a = announszd jas +? du = well !nformd jas +? naziz < jankeez Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07403; 27 Apr 99 22:53 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cFnD-0002d9-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:53:27 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA16960); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:52:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:52:02 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA17215); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:52:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cFlk-0002d0-00; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:51:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 99 22:51:56 BST From: J P Fitch To: Thomas Hudson cc: The CSound mailinglist Subject: Re: Localization of CSound Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk yes it may be easy in MSVC but that is not teh problem. We have a multi-platform multi-compiler system. It must remain ANSI C and not dependent on random extentions. ==John# Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07459; 27 Apr 99 23:15 BST Received: from [156.3.140.104] (helo=shoko.calarts.edu) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cG8s-0002f1-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:15:51 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10225 for music-dsp-outgoing; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:47:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: shoko.calarts.edu: majordom set sender to owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu using -f Received: from anago.wwa.com (anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54]) by shoko.calarts.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10211; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from [207.241.62.174](really [207.241.62.174]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:44:46 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:09:57 -0600 To: meter@flicker.dk Cc: time , 7-11 <7-11@mila.ljudmila.org>, Rhizome , olala Paris , FLUXLIST@fluxus.org, flash art , jesis@xs4all.nl, n5m , i22@test.at, gatekeeper@hell.com, sp@ost.farmersmanual.co.at, soundhack@shoko.calarts.edu, keinmensch , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu, essl@eunet.at, pd-list@iem.mhsg.ac.at, extreme@topica.com MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Sender: owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu http://www.serbia-info.com/news/1999-04/27/11335.html the "humanitarian assistance" of american + nato fascists hallo. jankee c!t!zn. dze fasc!zt jankee med!a = announszd jas +? du = well !nformd jas +? naziz < jankeez dupswapdrop: the music-dsp mailing list and website http://shoko.calarts.edu/~glmrboy/musicdsp/music-dsp.html Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07484; 27 Apr 99 23:25 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cGIO-0002fq-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:25:40 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA08925); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:24:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:24:16 +0100 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.118.20] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA06599); Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:24:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (from jim-ra@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA16845; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:23:49 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:23:49 -0700 From: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" Message-Id: <199904272223.PAA16845@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Subject: Re: Re: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk yep jim morrison hated his father... in an interview he even said that he wuz dead ( falsely )... jim was a cool strange member of the 27 club... Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07663; 28 Apr 99 0:53 BST Received: from [209.186.149.104] (helo=www.tomy.net ident=root) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cHfb-0006TM-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:53:43 +0100 Received: from cygnus.com (thudson@jimi.tomy.net [192.168.1.2]) by www.tomy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10911; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:53:41 -0400 Sender: thudson@www.tomy.net Message-ID: <37264E05.8AC5ED5E@cygnus.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:53:41 +0000 From: Thomas Hudson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J P Fitch CC: The CSound mailinglist Subject: Re: Localization of CSound References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit J P Fitch wrote: > > yes it may be easy in MSVC but that is not teh problem. We have a multi-platform > multi-compiler system. It must remain ANSI C and not dependent on random > extentions. > ==John# The solution I was suggesting is the GNU gettext system. I'd be the last person on earth to suggest an M$VC "solution." gettext and friends runs on every ANSI C platform. The source is freely available, and probably already exists on most unix platforms and Be (since it is glibc based). With cygwin it is available on non-standard platforms like windows and could be adapted to others. Since it conforms to Posix, I would hardly consider it a random extension. It is the standard for i18n efforts on all open OS's. Thomas Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07669; 28 Apr 99 0:54 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cHgY-0002l8-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:54:42 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA14490); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:53:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:53:46 +0100 Received: from root@www.tomy.net [209.186.149.104] by hermes via ESMTP (AAA06068); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:53:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from cygnus.com (thudson@jimi.tomy.net [192.168.1.2]) by www.tomy.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10911; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:53:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37264E05.8AC5ED5E@cygnus.com> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:53:41 +0000 From: Thomas Hudson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: J P Fitch CC: The CSound mailinglist Subject: Re: Localization of CSound References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk J P Fitch wrote: > > yes it may be easy in MSVC but that is not teh problem. We have a multi-platform > multi-compiler system. It must remain ANSI C and not dependent on random > extentions. > ==John# The solution I was suggesting is the GNU gettext system. I'd be the last person on earth to suggest an M$VC "solution." gettext and friends runs on every ANSI C platform. The source is freely available, and probably already exists on most unix platforms and Be (since it is glibc based). With cygwin it is available on non-standard platforms like windows and could be adapted to others. Since it conforms to Posix, I would hardly consider it a random extension. It is the standard for i18n efforts on all open OS's. Thomas Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07717; 28 Apr 99 1:08 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cHtd-0002lU-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:08:13 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA09251); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:07:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:07:15 +0100 Received: from grynet.passagen.se [195.163.107.36] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA14928); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:07:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from dumburk (dialup180-2-10.swipnet.se [130.244.180.74]) by grynet.passagen.se (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA10309 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:07:12 +0200 (MDT) Message-ID: <372651E1.7243@hem.passagen.se> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:10:09 +0200 From: rasmus ekman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound Subject: Re: Winsound not compiling in MSVC++ version 6.0 References: <3724F885.961DC18D@seanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sean Costello wrote: > > Better yet, is there a distribution of the source code in which the > project file is the one that is actually USED to create the current > Winsound binary? I had over 100 errors the first time I tried to > compile it. A while ago I added a section about possible causes for link errors in the "adding modules to csound" topic of the winhlp file. It may or may not help. Did you use the distributed MsDev project file (consound.mdp / winsound.mdp)? - I thought they were updated for version 3.53 so they compile straight out of the zip. Didn't know about the MEMDEBUG macro, will update for next version. Probably more misses like it, but you may get a start. re oh, it's at the Bath server, in Winsound.zip and separately, or at http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Csound.htm Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07771; 28 Apr 99 2:05 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cImr-0006UV-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:05:17 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA00490); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:01:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:01:29 +0100 Received: from mail1.lig.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.55] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA07726); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:01:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from bellsouth.net (host-209-215-23-151.gnv.bellsouth.net [209.215.23.151]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23095 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37265DFA.95EB8672@bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:01:46 -0400 From: Patrick Pagano X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound List Subject: Delay stuff again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hi folks found this simple delay on the front page can someone explain a proper sco for me ; Delay -- Simple Delay instr 10 idur = p3 idtime = p4/1000; i would like this to be 5 seconds (at least) igain = p5 ; i am not sure about this one iinch = p6 ; this is new to me ioutch = p7; as is this ain zar iinch ; Read the channel ; should the channel remain the same? do i need zar to read the delay?? aout delay ain, idtime ; Delay for time;;;;;;can i change ain to a simple oscil?? zaw aout, ioutch ; Output the channel ;;;;;;;do i need the iinch and the ioutch?? endin Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07801; 28 Apr 99 2:17 BST Received: from [207.69.200.30] (helo=smtp0.mindspring.com) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cIyt-0006Uk-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:17:43 +0100 Received: from Realizer (user-2ive24b.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.8.139]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02718; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101be9115$0e237ca0$79d496c0@Realizer.ngt.sungard.com> From: Michael Gogins To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: Re: wave file length accurency Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 I think the score sort should be internal and binary. I also think that the score should be translated into on events and off events, and that MIDI events also would go into this sort in temporal order. That way, the MIDI notes and the score notes could be handled the same way by the opcodes. In other words, regular "i" statements would come in through the MIDI opcodes in addition to the normal procedure. This would enable instrument designers to leverage their work for both real-time and non-real-time purposes. For this to work, the "on" event would contain all the information of the "i" statement or current srt file, and the "off" event would be substantially identical except that it would have an "o" opcode or something like that, and no duration. I think the format of the srt file should be changed to accomodate this approach, but the "i" statement format need not be changed. Perhaps there could be an additional score opcode "m" denoting use of the srt format directly in the score. -----Original Message----- From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:19 AM Subject: Re: wave file length accurency >Message written at 27 Apr 1999 10:12:54 +0100 >--- Copy of mail to jlemoin@ibm.net --- > >Some time back while I was away there was a discussion about >innaccuracies in the length of time of notes. I have been thinking >about this a little and I think there is a problem on some platforms >in the printing of the score.srt and re-reading the numbers. This is >done with standard C IO routines, and on some implementations these >seem highly inaccurate. > I can think of a couple of ways round this. Perhaps teh simplest >would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, >and so preserve all teh bits. This woudl of course mean that one >could not guarantee that one could transport the score.srt file to >another machine -- does anyone actually do that? > A second approach would be to write ones own printing and reading so >it would be consistent, but that sounds liek real work! > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data >rather than an external file. > >So, any thoughts or recommendations? I am willing to do the coding if >we have a reasonable consensus on what to do. > >==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07816; 28 Apr 99 2:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cJ2b-0002mh-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:21:33 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA10497); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:18:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:17:55 +0100 Received: from smtp0.mindspring.com [207.69.200.30] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA16590); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:17:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from Realizer (user-2ive24b.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.8.139]) by smtp0.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02718; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101be9115$0e237ca0$79d496c0@Realizer.ngt.sungard.com> From: Michael Gogins To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: Re: wave file length accurency Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think the score sort should be internal and binary. I also think that the score should be translated into on events and off events, and that MIDI events also would go into this sort in temporal order. That way, the MIDI notes and the score notes could be handled the same way by the opcodes. In other words, regular "i" statements would come in through the MIDI opcodes in addition to the normal procedure. This would enable instrument designers to leverage their work for both real-time and non-real-time purposes. For this to work, the "on" event would contain all the information of the "i" statement or current srt file, and the "off" event would be substantially identical except that it would have an "o" opcode or something like that, and no duration. I think the format of the srt file should be changed to accomodate this approach, but the "i" statement format need not be changed. Perhaps there could be an additional score opcode "m" denoting use of the srt format directly in the score. -----Original Message----- From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 8:19 AM Subject: Re: wave file length accurency >Message written at 27 Apr 1999 10:12:54 +0100 >--- Copy of mail to jlemoin@ibm.net --- > >Some time back while I was away there was a discussion about >innaccuracies in the length of time of notes. I have been thinking >about this a little and I think there is a problem on some platforms >in the printing of the score.srt and re-reading the numbers. This is >done with standard C IO routines, and on some implementations these >seem highly inaccurate. > I can think of a couple of ways round this. Perhaps teh simplest >would be to write the score.srt file in binary rather than characters, >and so preserve all teh bits. This woudl of course mean that one >could not guarantee that one could transport the score.srt file to >another machine -- does anyone actually do that? > A second approach would be to write ones own printing and reading so >it would be consistent, but that sounds liek real work! > Or, we could abandon the external sore.srt and use in-memory data >rather than an external file. > >So, any thoughts or recommendations? I am willing to do the coding if >we have a reasonable consensus on what to do. > >==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08053; 28 Apr 99 4:42 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cLFF-0002os-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:42:45 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA10800); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:41:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:41:22 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [12.23.152.10] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA17626); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:41:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (dial346.werewolf.net [12.23.154.46]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA29089 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01be9129$dffc67a0$2e9a170c@default> From: Hans Mikelson To: Csound Subject: Another Delay Example Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:47:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Here is a bit of noise with a delay example mostly for Pat's benefit. Hope this works, Hans Mikelson ; ORCHESTRA sr = 44100 ; Sample rate kr = 22050 ; Control rate ksmps = 2 ; Samples per control period nchnls = 2 ; Number of channels = stereo gaol init 0 ; Initialize the global variable for the left channel gaor init 0 ; Initialie right global instr 5 idur = p3 ; Duration iamp = p4 ; Amplitude ifqc = cpspch(p5) ; Convert pitch to frequency ie1 = p6 ; Envelope 1 table ie2 = p7 ; Envelope 2 table ipanl = sqrt(p8) ; Equal power panning left ipanr = sqrt(1-p8) ; Equal power panning right kenv1 oscil 1, 1/idur, ie1 ; Use 1/idur trick to make a flexible envelope kenv2 oscil 1, 1/idur, ie2 ; Do it again. aamp linseg 0, .01, iamp, idur-.02, iamp, .005, 0, .005, 0 ; Declick ; be sure to leave it at zero a ; while at the end to ; avoid DC offset in the delay ; loop aamp2 expseg .5, idur-.01, 1, .01, .1 ; Amplitude envelope, fade in slow ; fade out fast. achy cauchy kenv1 ; Cauchy random number generator ; Env1 controls the distribution aout oscil 1, (achy+1)ifqckenv2, 1 ; Frequency modulation by Cauchy ; Env2 controls FM amount aol = aoutaampaamp2ipanl ; Left out signal with pan aor = aoutaampaamp2ipanr ; Right out signal with pan gaol = gaol+aol ; Accumlate in the globals gaor = gaor+aor ; so polyphony is handled. outs aol, aor ; Stereo out endin instr 50 ; Delay instrument idur = p3 ; Duration igainl = p4 ; Left feedback gain itiml = p5 ; Left delay time ifcol = p6 ; Left low frequency cut off igainr = p7 ; Ditto for right side itimr = p8 ifcor = p9 afltl init 0 ; Must initialize the loop back for afltr init 0 ; delay feedback aamp linseg 0, .005, 1, idur-.01, 1, .005, 0 ; Declick is needed here too adell delay (gaol+afltl)igainl, itiml ; Delay the global signals and adelr delay (gaor+afltr)igainr, itimr ; feedback the filtered signal afltl butterlp adell, ifcol ; Low pass filter for mellower echo afltr butterlp adelr, ifcor gaol = 0 ; Zero out the globals so they don't blow up gaor = 0 outs adellaamp, adelraamp ; Declick and output endin ; SCORE f1 0 65536 10 1 ; High resolution sine wave f6 0 1024 -5 .01 1024 100000 ; Controls width of random distribution f7 0 1024 -5 1 1024 12 ; Pitch bend ; Sta Dur Amp Pitch Env1 Env2 Pan i5 .00 .2 12000 6.00 6 7 .5 i5 .02 .4 . 6.01 6 7 .1 i5 .04 .6 . 6.02 6 7 .8 i5 .06 .8 . 6.03 6 7 .4 i5 2.00 .2 10000 7.00 6 7 .5 i5 2.02 .4 . 7.01 6 7 .1 i5 2.04 .6 . 7.02 6 7 .8 i5 2.06 .8 . 7.03 6 7 .4 i5 3.00 .1 8000 7.09 6 7 .5 i5 3.03 .4 . 7.05 6 7 .1 i5 3.05 .4 . 7.11 6 7 .8 i5 3.09 .9 . 8.04 6 7 .4 i5 3.20 .2 8000 6.00 6 7 .5 i5 3.32 1.4 . 5.01 6 7 .1 i5 3.44 .6 . 6.02 6 7 .8 i5 3.56 .8 . 7.03 6 7 .4 i5 3.60 1.5 7000 9.00 6 7 .5 i5 3.72 .8 . 7.01 6 7 .1 i5 3.94 .6 . 6.02 6 7 .8 i5 4.26 .2 . 7.03 6 7 .4 ; Sta Dur FeedBk Time Fco FeedBk Time Fco i50 0 6 .32 .20 700 .30 .21 720 Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08059; 28 Apr 99 4:42 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cLFF-0006X3-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:42:45 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA14105); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:41:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:41:37 +0100 Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA17727); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:41:35 +0100 (BST) Received: by neptune.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:41:33 -0500 Message-ID: <283AABB8FD0DD21187C200A0C995F5DE0ECFC8@neptune.lyrick.com> From: David Boothe To: 'Patrick Pagano' Cc: 'Csound' Subject: RE: Delay stuff again Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:41:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Pat- Looks like this instr way have been part of a larger orchestra. zak opcodes (such as zar & zaw) are used for routing & patching signals - rather like patchcords or busses on a mix console. No real need for them in a simple instrument, but they would be helpful to do recirculatating delays and other more complex stuff. Try the following orch/sco. It has 2 delay lines - a simple one (instr 101) and one with an additional tap (instr 102). You can add more deltap outputs if you want. Watch out for line wrapping in this example. BTW, if you haven't already, you might go through a tutorial or two. Richard Boulanger's is availbale in the pdf supplement (among other places) and the orch/sco sets can be downloaded and run. Go to: http://web2.airmail.net/dboothe/download.htm and get the Supplement. Link to the zipped orc/scos there also. Hope this helps. -David. ;============================================================== ;dlaydemo.orc - demonstrates delay with a swept oscil sr = 44100 kr = 4410 ksmps = 10 nchnls = 2 ;gaSend is the input to the delay line instr gaSend init 0 ;we want initialized clean instr 01 ;a simple oscil instrument ----------------------------- idur = p3 ;duration of note iamp = p4 ;amplitude of oscil istrt = p5 ;start freq of oscil sweep iend = p6 ;end freq of oscil sweep igate = .05 ;gate times for linen ifn = 1 ;function table for sine aSweep line istrt, idur, iend ;generate sweep control sig aSig oscil iamp, aSweep, ifn ;generate swept sine tone aDir linen aSig, igate, idur, igate ; de-click gaSend = aDir outs1 aDir ;direct sound out the left channel endin instr 101 ; simple delay line --------------------------------- idlatim = p4 ;p4 determines the delay time aDelay delay gaSend, idlatim ;delay it outs2 aDelay ;delayed sound out the right channel endin instr 102 ; delay line with one tap ------------------------------------ igain = p4 ;gain of final delay out relative to tap itap1 = p5 ;p5 is delay time of tap idlatim = p6 ;p6 determines the final delay time aDelay delayr idlatim ;final delay aTap deltap itap1 ;delay tap delayw gaSend ;delay line input aMix = aTap+(aDelayigain) outs2 aMix ;delayed sound out the right channel endin ;==================================================================== ;dlaydemo.sco - let's hear it f1 0 16384 10 1 ;simple sine ;p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 i101 0 26 5 ;initialize the delay line i1 0 20 10000 100 1000 ;play a note i102 30 26 .75 2.5 5 ;initialize tapped delay line i1 30 20 7000 1000 100 ;play a note e Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08087; 28 Apr 99 5:00 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cLW8-0002p1-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:00:12 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA12666); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:59:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:58:56 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [12.23.152.10] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA08656); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:58:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (dial346.werewolf.net [12.23.154.46]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA13606 for ; Tue, 27 Apr 1999 22:50:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301be912c$54769a40$2e9a170c@default> From: Hans Mikelson To: Csound List Subject: Re: Delay stuff again Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:05:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >hi folks >found this simple delay on the front page >can someone explain a proper sco for me >; Delay -- Simple Delay > instr 10 > >idur = p3 >idtime = p4/1000; i would like this to be 5 seconds (at least) >igain = p5 ; i am not sure about this one >iinch = p6 ; this is new to me >ioutch = p7; as is this > >ain zar iinch ; Read the channel ; should the channel >remain the same? do i need zar to read the delay?? >aout delay ain, idtime ; Delay for time;;;;;;can i change ain to a >simple oscil?? > zaw aout, ioutch ; Output the channel ;;;;;;;do i need the >iinch and the ioutch?? > > endin The zak channels allow very flexible routing but for the beginner it may be easier to use global variables. ain zar iinch The iinch must be written to before you can read from it presumably in some other instrument. I think the instrument number must be lower than the instrument the zak read is done in. idtime = p4/1000 This is assuming the delay times will be in milisconds in the score. For five seconds you would need some thing like: ; Sta Dur Amp Pitch OutputCh i1 0 1 10000 8.00 1 ; Sta Dur DelayTime Feedback InputCh OutputCh i10 0 10 5000 .5 1 2 ; Sta Dur InputCh i20 0 10 2 Two additional instrument would be required to use this delay. i1 would generate a signal and write to zak channel 1. The delay reads from zak channel 1 and outputs to zak channel 2. i20 would have to read from zak channel 2 and likely generate some type of output possibly using outs. Good luck, Hans Mikelson Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08097; 28 Apr 99 5:02 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cLYT-0002p3-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:02:37 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA01955); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:00:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:00:22 +0100 Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.104] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA12424); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 05:00:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from pilot.msu.edu (bowersj2.user.msu.edu [35.10.131.91]) by pilot004.cl.msu.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA58356 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 00:00:19 -0400 Message-ID: <372686F4.48479A6A@pilot.msu.edu> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 23:56:36 -0400 From: Jeremy Bowers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound list Subject: Expanded question regarding wgflute Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Going back through the archives, I see no mention of this opcode in any significant way. Has anyone even USED wgflute before for anything significant? Please feel free to contact me directly, without posting it to the whole list. -- Jeremy Bowers Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08294; 28 Apr 99 7:29 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cNqP-0006cz-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:29:17 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA11678); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:28:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:28:08 +0100 Received: from irene.ctv.es [212.25.129.13] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA13153); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:28:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from ctv.es (ctv21225131253.ctv.es [212.25.131.253]) by irene.ctv.es (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA09443 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:27:33 +0200 (MET DST) X-Envelope-To: Message-ID: <3726AA26.8D7FE82F@ctv.es> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:26:46 +0200 From: Francisco Vila Doncel Reply-To: fravd@ctv.es X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: csound mailing list Subject: Impulse response and archives References: <371FDEB2.452013D9@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to find some impulse response files from various rooms for convolution, which were mentioned long ago in this list. The mailing list archives do not contain any messages, where can i find them? Thanks, -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) E-mail: fravd@ctv.es http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fravd Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08311; 28 Apr 99 7:34 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cNuz-0002vA-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:34:01 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA12803); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:33:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:33:04 +0100 Received: from angel.algonet.se [194.213.74.112] by hermes via SMTP (HAA08072); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:33:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 13677 invoked from network); 28 Apr 1999 08:33:03 +0200 Received: from du135-5.ppp.algonet.se (HELO mhc.se) (195.100.5.135) by angel.algonet.se with SMTP; 28 Apr 1999 08:33:03 +0200 Message-ID: <3726AB05.674C191D@mhc.se> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:30:29 +0200 From: Mikael Hillborg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound Subject: Digest please References: <3724F885.961DC18D@seanet.com> <372651E1.7243@hem.passagen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm on many other mailing lists that all offer a digest subscription. As far as I can see, there's no digest version of this csound list. Or am I wrong ? I think there's a big* need for a digest version of this list now (you know why). Please, can someone involved more than me fix this ? /Mikael Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08336; 28 Apr 99 7:53 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cOE3-0002vQ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:53:43 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA12605); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:44 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA09411); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:52:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp01-19.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.19]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA24263; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:52:36 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <3726B208.560F323@agora.stm.it> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 09:00:24 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Bartetzki CC: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: nsamp() error References: <3724E1A8.250391F7@berlin.snafu.de> <37257F3B.55247CF9@agora.stm.it> <372636E4.B6C2AC05@berlin.snafu.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id HAA09411 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Maybe the bug-fixed version isn't uploaded to the internet yet. I will upload it as soon as I can. Gab Andre Bartetzki wrote: >=20 > I=B4ve tested it with ftlen() instead of nsamp() and a power-of-two tab= le and it > has worked! > So there is no need for further testing. I have to wait for the new com= piled > binaries ... >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Andre > Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08343; 28 Apr 99 7:55 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cOGE-0002vU-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:55:58 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA07231); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:55:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:55:02 +0100 Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA15345); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:55:01 +0100 (BST) Received: by neptune.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:54:54 -0500 Message-ID: <283AABB8FD0DD21187C200A0C995F5DE0ECFC9@neptune.lyrick.com> From: David Boothe To: "'fravd@ctv.es'" Cc: 'Csound' Subject: RE: Impulse response and archives Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:54:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Two impulse response sites I know of: http://pcfarina.eng.unipr.it/Public/Convolution/ http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~fredrics/isrc.html -David. > -----Original Message----- > From: Francisco Vila Doncel [mailto:fravd@ctv.es] > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 1:27 AM > Cc: csound mailing list > Subject: Impulse response and archives > > > I would like to find some impulse response files from various > rooms for > convolution, which were mentioned long ago in this list. > > The mailing list archives do not contain any messages, where > can i find them? > > Thanks, > -- > Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) > E-mail: fravd@ctv.es > http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fravd > Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08371; 28 Apr 99 8:09 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cOTd-0002vl-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:09:49 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA03961); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:09:08 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:08:57 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (IAA16331); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:08:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.62.174](really [207.241.62.174]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:08:55 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: X-Sender: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:34:06 -0600 To: csound Subject: Re: Digest please Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >I'm on many other mailing lists that all offer a digest subscription. >As far as I can see, there's no digest version of this csound list. >Or am I wrong ? I think there's a big need for a digest version of >this list now (you know why). Please, can someone involved more than >me fix this ? > >/Mikael prez!zl!. u kno wh!. rekuezt dze jankee fasc!zt !nvaz!on 2 ztop. !nzted ov rekuezt!ng 1 d!gezt. !t > moral > elokuent Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08396; 28 Apr 99 8:27 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cOl9-0002vx-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:27:55 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA17780); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:27:03 +0100 (BST) From: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:26:52 +0100 Received: from anago.wwa.com [198.49.174.54] by hermes via SMTP (IAA04625); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:26:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from [207.241.62.174](really [207.241.62.174]) by anago.wwa.com via sendmail with smtp id for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 02:26:51 -0500 (CDT) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #88 built 1997-Nov-30) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 01:52:03 -0600 To: csound Subject: Re: Digest please Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk tzor!. = feel com ca. Please, can someone involved more help fix this ? >>I'm on many other mailing lists that all offer a digest subscription. >>As far as I can see, there's no digest version of this csound list. >>Or am I wrong ? I think there's a big need for a digest version of >>this list now (you know why). Please, can someone involved more than >>me fix this ? >> >>/Mikael > > >prez!zl!. u kno wh!. > >rekuezt dze jankee fasc!zt !nvaz!on 2 ztop. >!nzted ov rekuezt!ng 1 d!gezt. >!t > moral > elokuent Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09045; 28 Apr 99 12:31 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10cSYT-0006m7-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:31:05 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA12782); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:28:09 +0100 (BST) From: SteinersT1@aol.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:56 +0100 Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71] by hermes via ESMTP (MAA10571); Wed, 28 Apr 1999 12:27:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from SteinersT1@aol.com (402) by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id 9QNEa25425 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36cee1b6.24584a59@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 07:26:17 EDT Subject: hTools tip To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 23 Reply-To: SteinersT1@aol.com Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, when you want to use hYdraJ and the commandoline tools together (but anyway, the tools gives you the same functions avaliable in the GUI version), please DON't extract them to the same directory, because hTools overwrite some important classes. Different folders should work, I will fix this in the forthcomming final release of hTools. Greetings, Malte Steiner --------------------------- Electronic Industrial Music www.block4.com ____________

Date	1999-04-27 18:00
From	Anders Andersson
Subject	Localization of CSound
	> I suppose it would be possible to create a version of Csoudn where the > error messages were in an external file and so could be translated > into any langauge. It woudl need a translator though! Wow! If this would be easy, then why not? It would add a whole lot to the "seriousness" of the program. Normally, all people that use tools like this use to be quite good at understanding english, and many of us actually prefer to use programs in English vs [insert own language her], but as i wrote.. Why not? (except for the constant increasing number of sourcefiles, and the work for ffitch! =) // Anders