Re: 'outo'?? and multiple AudioFileOut [long post]

Date	1999-02-22 12:51
From	Richard Dobson
Subject	Re: 'outo'?? and multiple AudioFileOut [long post]
	The current Csound code (Winound etc) for Windows playback (in rtaudio.c) explicitly checks the orc format against the traditional MME formats, so not only are quad and larger formats rejected for real-time playback, but also 48KHz srate, for example. I agree this is unnecessarily restricted nowadays, and it would be easy to replace that code with a MME call to query the card directly for format support, so that if a card could play quad at 48KHz, Csound could go ahead and play. I haven't looked at Gabriel's DirectCsound code to see if things are different. The m/c formats work fine, as always, for writing to disk. I think that, rather than try to get Csound to write multiple stereo files, which I think would be a retrograde step, it would be better to provide an external utility program to extract stereo files from m/c files. I wrote one a while ago to split up a quad file; I need to extend it to n-channels, and de-CDPify it so I cn provide it as a cross-platform Csound utility with source (unless someone else has already done so?). I have quite a lot of other things to do, so that will not happen very quickly! There is always the possibility of using Csound itself for this task - use "ino" for example and write out the two channels you want (I presume there is no reason why this can't be done!). We just have to be a little more patient. Multi-device cards will very likely not be Win2000 compliant (as they will not be able to play 5.1 streams for DVD support, etc, and they manifestly won't play WAVE-EX files either), so manufacturers will have to wake up very soon. Software houses will actually have the more difficult task, to redesign everything for surround-sound panning. It is significant that those soundcard manufacturers who provide substantial m/c recording and mixing software have discovered the virtues of a m/c driver, while those that just sell boards with chips haven't - yet. I am still using VC++ V.5 (can't afford V6 yet!); I am interested to know what the error messages are that it reports. What warning level are you running at? Note that VC++V.5 must be upgraded with Service Pack 3 to remove all the f/p bugs in the optimiser. Unfortunately it is a 90MByte file, so it is not practical to send as an email attachment! I am also amused (ha ha) to see that MS have already got to Service Pack 2 (!!) for Visual Studio 6. Sonorus are promising Linux support for the STUDI/O card, and Creamware similary for the Pulsar (but that will be a while yet, I expect). Gadget Labs are very resistant to the idea of a m/c driver - they don't see the point at all, so a m/c driver for Linux would be very surprising, from them. I get the impression that relatively cheap ADAT DACs will be available soon (say, under 300 pounds), so that cards such as the Frontier WaveCenter offer good value for m/c work. I think the extra amplifiers and speakers will still be the gretest expense. Richard Dobson Ricardo MadGello wrote: > > 1st, is opcode 'outo' usable at all? It only shows in the main Csound > document. All references in various people's discussion imply that Csound > has a four channel limit. I'm assuming 'outo' would be useless in all but > the case where the sound card's drivers present all eight channels to a > single wavein/waveout device, correct? > > 2nd, is it possible to get around the delay of finalization of Ms M/C Wave > format by getting Csound to write to multiple Wav/AIFF wave files with > routing handled by the patch? I can always line them up in Cakewalk for > playback to the card's multiple waveout devices. Obviously, multiple > waveout device access would be needed for realtime use, but I'm not seeing > anywhere near clickless output even for the test.orc in directcsound 2.6. > BufferTweaking and all. I'mm working on a batch file to assist with buffer > optimization search, will post when ready and working. > > 3rd, can I get a little feedback on what Windows compilers people are using? > I just shipped my Ms VC++ 5 to John ffitch, so I don't have access to it > anymore. Ms VC++ 6 gives me extremely strange errors that make it seem like > it no longer understands ANSI code. I mean it complains about syntax errors > (almost every line in two or three sections) on the same sources you all > have success with. > -- Test your DAW with my Soundcard Attrition Page! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/rwd CDP homepage: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masjpf/CDP/CDP.htm Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21770; 22 Feb 99 14:18 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10EwC1-0001Rb-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:18:41 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA15244); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:36:36 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:36:23 GMT Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA10012); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:36:22 GMT Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 10EvX1-0000cQ-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:36:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 99 13:36:17 GMT From: J P Fitch To: Richard Dobson cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: 'outo'?? and multiple AudioFileOut [long post] Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ..and of course my mixer program can extract stereo from quad, if you can stand the aweful syntax ==John Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23351; 22 Feb 99 18:43 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F0Jy-0001Et-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:43:10 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA11376); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:22:15 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:22:03 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA02753); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:22:00 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp04-28.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.220]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15739 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:21:42 +0100 (ITA) Message-ID: <36D19F90.A681C506@agora.stm.it> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:18:56 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: 'outo'?? and multiple AudioFileOut [long post] References: <000301be5e4d$c52b6200$298327d8@spelunkette> <36D152EB.1E54D63@cableinet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk New DirectCsound version provides the opcode "fout" that can output samples to audio file with any number of channels (now it is limited to 64 channels, but it can be easily increased). The problem is to find a program that can load and play these file types. Also more instances of "fout" can be used in order to output several audio files in a single csound session. For example to handle octophony, it is possible to generate eight mono wavefile or four stereo file, then it is possible to load them with Cool Edit Pro and send channel to different audio cards (but I don't know if the synchronization can shift) or to an audio card of more channels such as the Korg 1212. It is easily possible to create two macros containing the output orch lines which can be renamed when the user choose to use a single multichannel file or several mono files. At present time realtime is allowed only with mono and stereo output at any sample rate (with the Sounblaster live it is possible to use any sr from 6000 to 48000 Hz continuously). If you are using MME drivers, you must add the flag -+e to enable non-standard sr. Gabriel Richard Dobson wrote: >.... and it would be easy to replace that > code with a MME call to query the card directly for format support, so > that if a card could play quad at 48KHz, Csound could go ahead and play. > I haven't looked at Gabriel's DirectCsound code to see if things are > different. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23515; 22 Feb 99 20:00 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F1X1-00022P-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:00:44 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA15627); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:48:52 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:48:40 GMT Received: from smtp2.jps.net [209.63.224.235] by hermes via ESMTP (TAA07985); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:48:38 GMT Received: from heatherl (209-142-35-139.stk.jps.net [209.142.35.139]) by smtp2.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13547 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:48:42 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902221948.LAA13547@smtp2.jps.net> Reply-To: @jps.net,@exeter.ac.uk: MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: nunativs To: Csound Subject: Midi Questions Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:26:28 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Can someone save me a bit of time and let me know if Csound can respond to Midi program and/or bank change messages. For instance if I have an orc with 100 instruments(presets), by changing midi program numbers like number 50 do I go to instrument 50? How about bank changing to get past the 128 instrument limit? Thanks for any help, Ken Locarnini Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23529; 22 Feb 99 20:05 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F1bJ-0001KK-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:05:09 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA02376); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:59:06 GMT From: steb@startrekmail.com Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:58:53 GMT Received: from rmx07.iname.net [165.251.8.75] by hermes via ESMTP (TAA05467); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:58:48 GMT Received: from weba1.iname.net by rmx07.globecomm.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) with ESMTP id OAA21763 ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:58:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from root@localhost) by weba1.iname.net (8.9.1a/8.9.2.Alpha2) id OAA22161; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:58:47 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9902221458465M.11407@weba1.iname.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:58:46 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk lookin for Csound instruments loking for the amsterdam catalog of csound instruments thanks, ------------------------------- Beam to http://www.StarTrek.com Now featuring the Star Trek Store and the official site for Star Trek: Insurrection. ------------------------------ Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23879; 22 Feb 99 23:25 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F4jV-0002EY-00; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:25:49 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA05475); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:24:21 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:24:08 GMT Received: from falcon.glas.apc.org [193.124.5.54] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA07699); Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:24:07 GMT Received: from mail.glas.apc.org([193.124.5.37]) (1039 bytes) by falcon.glas.apc.org via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:inet_zone_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:24:03 +0300 (WSU) (Smail-3.2.0.104 1998-Nov-20 #2 built 1998-Nov-27) Received: from default(src addr [194.154.91.15]) (663 bytes) by mail.glas.apc.org via sendmail with P\:esmtp/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:24:01 +0300 (WSU) (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #11 built DST-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: Sergey Batov To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: physical modelling Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:25:27 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I'm looking for information about hardware devices (synthesizers or sound modules) based on principle of physical modelling. (Some names at least.) Thank you. Regards, Sergey Batov batov@glasnet.ru Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23954; 23 Feb 99 0:01 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F5IC-0001XC-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:01:40 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA12696); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:00:32 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:00:20 GMT Received: from front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56] by hermes via ESMTP (AAA15504); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:00:19 GMT Received: from club-internet.fr (ppp-164-129.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.164.129]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.0/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA04251 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:00:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36D1FBDC.3FAAC064@club-internet.fr> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:52:45 +0000 From: Jean-Michel DARRMONT Reply-To: jmdbrady@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: physical modelling References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sergey Batov wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking for information about hardware devices > (synthesizers or sound modules) based on principle > of physical modelling. (Some names at least.) > Yamaha's VL1(amazing); VL7. Korg Prophecy. Software: Ircam's Modalys(non real time). -- Jean-Michel DARREMONT Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23962; 23 Feb 99 0:06 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F5MN-0002HT-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:05:59 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA12007); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:05:06 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:04:54 GMT Received: from antioch-college.edu [192.131.123.11] by hermes via ESMTP (AAA11975); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:04:53 GMT Received: (from jsteiner@localhost) by antioch-college.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA29616; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:56:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:56:21 -0500 (EST) From: Josh Steiner To: Csound Subject: "talkbox" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, Could someone tell me how you filter to get that legendary "talk-box" sound? (think: Intergalactic Planetary by the Beastie Boys) Perhaps how I can do it live with Csound and how i can do it with normal filtering programs (say, cooledit). In gerneral, I'd really appriciate some links to pages about tips and tricks of filtering sounds. Thanks! --- Joshua W. H. Steiner - joschi@eds.org - http://eds.org/~joschi "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentyful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - Frank Zappa Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24097; 23 Feb 99 1:15 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F6RR-0002Lg-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:15:17 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA02304); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:13:47 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:13:35 GMT Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA00358); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:13:33 GMT Received: from seanet.com (q12.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.172]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA00735; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:13:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D18F20.F030ADE2@seanet.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:08:48 +0000 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Steiner , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: "talkbox" References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Josh Steiner wrote: > > Hi all, > > Could someone tell me how you filter to get that legendary "talk-box" > sound? (think: Intergalactic Planetary by the Beastie Boys) Perhaps how I > can do it live with Csound and how i can do it with normal filtering > programs (say, cooledit). Beastie Boys probably used an analog vocoder. You could write an algorithm in Csound to generate this effect in a similar manner, but it would be huge - 14 to 22 input bandpass filters, each followed by an envelope follower, and the same number of output bandpass filters, where the output of each filter is multiplied by the envelope follower corresponding to the proper input filter. A better way to get this sound in Csound is linear predictive coding. Use LPANAL to analyse a vocal track (preferably one that has no reverb and is as clear as possible), and use the resulting analysis file in an orchestra with lpread and lpreson to filter the source of your choice. For the source, buzz or gbuzz works well for pitched sounds, and rand produces a nice evil whispering sound. As far as LPANAL goes, I have found that specifying larger analysis window sizes works better. Specifying 500 (which results in a window 1000 samples wide) for a vocal sound recorded at 44.1 khz works well. Larger numbers of poles results in a clearer speech sound, but may not sound properly "robotic" for your needs. You could probably use an FFT based technique to get the same results (phase vocoder, some of the other FFT opcodes I haven't tried), but linear predictive coding is great for that vocoder sound. Sean Costello Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24108; 23 Feb 99 1:19 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F6V1-0002Lt-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:18:59 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA02266); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:17:51 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:17:40 GMT Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA01000); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:17:39 GMT Received: from seanet.com (q12.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.172]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA01128 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:17:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D19019.85C5A8FD@seanet.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:12:57 +0000 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Hetero Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all: Anyone have any information on heterodyne analysis besides what is available in the Csound manual? It seems very close to the theoretical description of the phase vocoder (when described as a series of bandpass filters, as opposed to the FFT-based version). Does it have any advantages to the phase vocoder, or is it just an older routine? (It seems very close to an analysis program James Beauchamp describes in a computer music book I have from 1969). Thanks, Sean Costello Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24152; 23 Feb 99 1:48 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F6xQ-0002NA-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:48:20 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA09224); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:47:07 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:46:55 GMT Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA13319); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:46:54 GMT Received: from seanet.com (j9.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.129.9]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03681 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:46:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <36D196F4.CC4A0024@seanet.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:42:12 +0000 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Hetro (was Re: Hetero) References: <36D19019.85C5A8FD@seanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all: I meant to say "hetrodyne" and "hetro" instead of hetero. My brain hurts today. Sean Sean Costello wrote: > > Hi all: > > Anyone have any information on heterodyne analysis besides what is > available in the Csound manual? It seems very close to the theoretical > description of the phase vocoder (when described as a series of bandpass > filters, as opposed to the FFT-based version). Does it have any > advantages to the phase vocoder, or is it just an older routine? (It > seems very close to an analysis program James Beauchamp describes in a > computer music book I have from 1969). > > Thanks, > > Sean Costello Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24163; 23 Feb 99 1:59 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F78U-0001db-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:59:46 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA01544); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:58:28 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:58:17 GMT Received: from pop04.iname.net [165.251.8.69] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA17679); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:58:16 GMT Received: from iname.com (ppp109.132.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.132.109]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA02719 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:58:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902230158.UAA02719@pop04.iname.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:05:15 -0500 (EST) From: Antoine Lefebvre Reply-To: gamma_orion@iname.com Subject: little bug with diskin To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, there is a strange comportement with the diskin opcode.... when using sr=44100 and kr=4410, all is right. If I use sr=kr=44100, there is a segfault when iwrap=0 and the p3 field is greater than the length of the soundfile.... here is my orc if a replace kr=4410 by 44100 it segfault, and if after that, I put iwrap=1, it is ok..... ;;;;;;;;;;;;; sr = 44100 kr = 4410 ksmps = 10 nchnls = 1 instr 33 iamp = 3.6 ispd = p4 kenv linen 1, 0.1, p3, 0.1 ; asound diskin "stropheback.aiff", ispd, 0, 0, 0 ; aout butterlp asound, 4000 aflt butterbp asound, 5000, 5000 ; interesting aout reverb aflt, 0.3 out aoutiampkenv endin here is the sco ;;;;;; i33 4 3 1 e here are the informations about my soundfile ../inputfile/stropheback.aiff: AIFF, 103157 samples, no looping AIFF soundfile, no looping srate 44100, monaural, 16 bit shorts, 2.34 seconds headersiz 54, datasiz 206314 (103157 sample frames) -- Antoine Lefebvre antoinelefebvre@softhome.net http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24173; 23 Feb 99 2:00 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F79V-0001dd-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:00:49 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA05354); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:59:48 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:59:36 GMT Received: from pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA17682); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 01:59:35 GMT Received: from iname.com (ppp109.132.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.132.109]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id UAA03358 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:59:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902230159.UAA03358@pop01.globecomm.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: Antoine Lefebvre Reply-To: gamma_orion@iname.com Subject: opcode information. To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would like to know informations about the following opcodes found in the version 3.51 of the unofficial release. there is no info in the csound manual about those one..... intrpol antrpol kntrpol argc argt kargc kargt artrnc artrnt krtrnc krtrnt convle icall dicall micall dmicall ioutat ioutc ioutc14 ioutpat ioutpb ioutpc mdelay mod mul nsamp physic1 physic2 posc pset seed soundout sub vlpres -- Antoine Lefebvre antoinelefebvre@softhome.net http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24188; 23 Feb 99 2:05 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F7Dh-0001dt-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:05:09 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA08274); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:04:15 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:04:04 GMT Received: from pop04.iname.net [165.251.8.69] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA13326); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:04:03 GMT Received: from iname.com (ppp109.132.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.132.109]) by pop04.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA03085 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:04:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902230204.VAA03085@pop04.iname.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: Antoine Lefebvre Reply-To: gamma_orion@iname.com Subject: if... To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, I would like to know why there is no control statement of the form if (condition) { things to do } else { things to do else } it would be very useful.. -- Antoine Lefebvre antoinelefebvre@softhome.net http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24212; 23 Feb 99 2:18 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F7Qf-0002Oa-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:18:33 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA08703); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:16:25 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:16:13 GMT Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA13353); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:16:12 GMT Received: by neptune.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:13:41 -0600 Message-ID: <283AABB8FD0DD21187C200A0C995F5DE0ECE5C@neptune.lyrick.com> From: David Boothe To: "'gamma_orion@iname.com'" , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: RE: if... Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:13:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In Csound this appears to be done only with various goto statements. There are these statements: if...igto... if...kgoto... if...goto... There are also conditional statements: a > b ? v1 : v2 a == b ? v1 : v2 etc. Hope this helps. -David. > -----Original Message----- > From: Antoine Lefebvre [mailto:gamma_orion@iname.com] > Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 8:11 PM > To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk > Subject: if... > > > Hello, > I would like to know why there is no control statement of the form > > if (condition) > { > things to do > } > else > { > things to do else > } > > it would be very useful.. > > -- > Antoine Lefebvre > antoinelefebvre@softhome.net > http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html > Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24232; 23 Feb 99 2:28 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F7ag-0001ev-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:28:54 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA02887); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:27:28 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:27:16 GMT Received: from pop05.iname.net [165.251.8.70] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA06746); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:27:15 GMT Received: from iname.com (ppp109.132.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.132.109]) by pop05.iname.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id VAA23124 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:27:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199902230227.VAA23124@pop05.iname.net> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:34:15 -0500 (EST) From: Antoine Lefebvre Reply-To: gamma_orion@iname.com Subject: RE: if... To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <283AABB8FD0DD21187C200A0C995F5DE0ECE5C@neptune.lyrick.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes, I know all those statement, but in some complex structure, it become confuse bery rapidly....I was just wondering why there is no statement block like in C. On 22 Feb, David Boothe wrote: > In Csound this appears to be done only with various goto statements. There > are these statements: > > if...igto... > if...kgoto... > if...goto... > > There are also conditional statements: > a > b ? v1 : v2 > a == b ? v1 : v2 > etc. > > Hope this helps. > > -David. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Antoine Lefebvre [mailto:gamma_orion@iname.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 8:11 PM >> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk >> Subject: if... >> >> >> Hello, >> I would like to know why there is no control statement of the form >> >> if (condition) >> { >> things to do >> } >> else >> { >> things to do else >> } >> >> it would be very useful.. >> >> -- >> Antoine Lefebvre >> antoinelefebvre@softhome.net >> http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html >> > -- Antoine Lefebvre antoinelefebvre@softhome.net http://pages.infinit.net/linux/music/music.html Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24251; 23 Feb 99 2:39 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F7lL-0002Pc-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:39:55 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA14707); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:38:34 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:38:23 GMT Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA13888); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:38:22 GMT Received: by neptune.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:35:51 -0600 Message-ID: <283AABB8FD0DD21187C200A0C995F5DE0ECE5D@neptune.lyrick.com> From: David Boothe To: "'gamma_orion@iname.com'" , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: RE: if... Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:35:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Not that I am aware. Csound uses the CR as the end of a statement. The only way I have found to simulate a 'statement block,' as you would have in a C if..else statement, would be with gotos and labels. Inelegant I know. C-style if..else statements would be a useful addition, if it is possible in Csound's syntax. > -----Original Message----- > From: Antoine Lefebvre [mailto:gamma_orion@iname.com] > Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 8:34 PM > To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk > Subject: RE: if... > > > Yes, > I know all those statement, but in some complex structure, it become > confuse bery rapidly....I was just wondering why there is no statement > block like in C. > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24439; 23 Feb 99 4:42 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F9g6-0002VH-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:42:38 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA10240); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:35 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:17 GMT Received: from gudrun.passagen.se [195.163.107.4] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA06959); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:16 GMT Received: from dumburk (dialup60-2-19.swipnet.se [130.244.60.83]) by gudrun.passagen.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01497 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:40:55 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36D231C6.5827@hem.passagen.se> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:42:46 +0100 From: rasmus ekman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound list Subject: Re: opcode information. References: <199902230159.UAA03358@pop01.globecomm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Antoine Lefebvre wrote: > > there is no info in the csound manual about those one..... Search the Version3_XX.Notes files (at Bath, in /newest directory along with the Csound binaries) for doc of opcodes introduced after Bath 3.48 version. Go to Gabriel Maldonado's (GM's) page to get documentation for his opcodes: http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm what's up, did you do a diff of -z flag output in the versions? > intrpol antrpol kntrpol ntrpol, new in Bath 3.49 > argc argt kargc kargt > artrnc artrnt krtrnc krtrnt Maldonado? > convle Same as convolve. A misspelt entry on line 736 of Entry.c which should be deleted. > ...call Maldonado? > iout... By GM, new in Bath 3.47, renamed to out... in Bath 3.52 > mdelay >From Maldonado, N/A in Bath version. > mod mul don't know. But a mod-like operator % was introduced in Bath 3.50 > nsamp function, in 3.49 > physic1 physic2 Thus named in GM's "CsoundRT" distribution, available as wguide1/wguide2 in Csound 3.49 > posc poscil in 3.52, from GM > pset no idea > seed Always undocumented, should stay so. Don't bother. Connected with the "x-noise" set (linrand, unirand et al) of random generators. Some info provided in Robin Whittle's documentation of his contributions. > soundout sub don't know. > vlpres Thus named in GM's "CsoundRT" distribution, available as vlowres in Csound 3.49 hth, re Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24447; 23 Feb 99 4:43 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10F9gt-0001kO-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:43:27 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA03828); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:29 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:12 GMT Received: from gudrun.passagen.se [195.163.107.4] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA12730); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 04:41:11 GMT Received: from dumburk (dialup60-2-19.swipnet.se [130.244.60.83]) by gudrun.passagen.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA01491 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:40:50 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36D231C1.5B8D@hem.passagen.se> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 05:42:41 +0100 From: rasmus ekman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound list Subject: accci Re: References: <9902221458465M.11407@weba1.iname.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk steb@startrekmail.com wrote: > > lookin for Csound instruments > loking for the amsterdam catalog of csound instruments http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/csound/frontpage.html select screen dimensions, go to instruments section. re Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24832; 23 Feb 99 8:28 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10FDCe-0001xV-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:28:28 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA16318); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:25:23 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:25:09 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA00904); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:25:06 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp02-05.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.69]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28702; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:25:02 +0100 (ITA) Message-ID: <36D26539.E83CE542@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:22:17 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "@jps.net"@ex.ac.uk CC: Csound Subject: Re: Midi Questions References: <199902221948.LAA13547@smtp2.jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk DirectCsound implements this feature for program changes now. Bank changes doesn't do anythinq with current version, and the instrument number limit is 127. However it is possible to send bank changes to an external midi devices by means of a controller 0 message. nunativs wrote: > > Hi all, > Can someone save me a bit of time and let me know if Csound can respond to > Midi program and/or bank change messages. For instance if I have an orc > with 100 instruments(presets), by changing midi program numbers like > number 50 do I go to instrument 50? How about bank changing to get past the > 128 instrument limit? > Thanks for any help, > Ken Locarnini -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24849; 23 Feb 99 8:33 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10FDHK-0001yM-00; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:33:18 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA06277); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:30:23 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:30:10 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA13970); Tue, 23 Feb 1999 08:30:08 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp02-05.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.69]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00265; Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:29:57 +0100 (ITA) Message-ID: <36D26660.9BE140B1@agora.stm.it> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:27:12 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Costello CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hetro (was Re: Hetero) References: <36D19019.85C5A8FD@seanet.com> <36D196F4.CC4A0024@seanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Mainly hetro (together with adsyn) are good to analize isolated harmonic sounds, while PVANAL and pvoc can analize/synthesize both armonic and inharmonic sounds. Gab Sean Costello wrote: > > Hi all: > > I meant to say "hetrodyne" and "hetro" instead of hetero. My brain > hurts today. > > Sean > > Sean Costello wrote: > > > > Hi all: > > > > Anyone have any information on heterodyne analysis besides what is > > available in the Csound manual? It seems very close to the theoretical > > description of the phase vocoder (when described as a series of bandpass > > filters, as opposed to the FFT-based version). Does it have any > > advantages to the phase vocoder, or is it just an older routine? (It > > seems very close to an analysis program James Beauchamp describes in a > > computer music book I have from 1969). > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sean Costello -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm