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Re: WCShell

Date1998-03-05 14:38
FromPedro Batista
SubjectRe: WCShell
Following Derek and Ken Locarnini's sugestion, I downloaded R. Bianchini's 
WCShell evironment. First impressions are very favorable. The tediousness 
involved in constantly switching apps (winsound + text editor + audio 
player/editor) is here completely unnecessary, and all those nice bundled 
utilities seem VERY promissing (once I figure out what they do, anyway :)). 
 US $30 seems reasonable enough for the registration fee, so I might do it 
(what does one gain in program functions? anyone?)
One thing is puzzling tho. The program mentions two csounds exe's 
(wcsound.exe and csound5.exe -neither one is bundled) that I havent heard 
about. The settings let you specify any csound compiler, like csound, 
csound95, etc, so this is no problem at all, but what are these other csound 
implementations? should I get them?

pedro



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csound5.exe is (was) a Windows console program compiled with MSVC.  It is
totally replaced by the csound_con.zip which is actually the same (Console
program with MSVC) only recent (compiled this morning).

wcsound.exe was an even earlier version of teh same (AFAICR)
==John ff



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Charles Baker wrote:
> 
> 
> (orinate? ;-))Thus I have heard:
> 
>     Dan Rather was walking in New York city, when a crazy man attacked him
> shouting the immortal
> words:
> "What is the frequency, kenneth? Kenneth, what is the frequency?"
> 
> Michael Stipe of the popular rock group R.E.M. thought this was interesting
> and wrote a song (on their album 'Monster') entitled:
> "What's the frequency, kenneth? "
> 
	In between these events, these words were a prominent feature (and the title
of the first song) on the album "Lolita Nation" by the band Game Theory,
produced by Mitch Easter, who also produced some REM albums.  Just filling in
the blanks.
	And actually, Dan Rather was being filmed in NYC at the time (not too
suprising), which is how the phrase entered American conciousness (as how
could anything be perceptually significant that wasn't recorded???).
-- 
Mike Berry
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Forgive me as this has probably been discussed already, but I've seen some 
examples (mr pinkston's rachet, for instance) where the panning is scaled 
with a sqrt function, like:
;p4 = pan (0=left; .5=center; 1=right)
iright=sqrt(p4)
ileft=sqrt(1-p4)
....
out asig*ileft,asig*iright

instead of just using:
iright=p4
ileft=1-p4
....
out asig*ileft,asig*iright

So, what is the reason for using this "geometric" panning, instead of the 
linear one?
This also seems to increase the gain as we approach the center position, 
because for a value of .5 we get a global gain of sqrt(.5)+sqrt(.5) = 1.4.. 
while using the linear way, the added pan factor is always 1
thanks in advance

pedro




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Power does not vary linearly with amplitude.  So half amplitude from each
channel sounds quieter than full amplitude from one channel.  You have seen a
method to counteract that effect, by making the power vary linearly with the
square root of amplitude.
-- 
Mike Berry
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I have noticed that, when replying to messages posted to the csound 
mailing list, many people send the message both to the list and to the 
person who asked the question. This seems wasteful to me-- every time I 
ask a question I get two emails for every reply. Granted, this is better 
than getting no replies! :) But my email service is sometimes painfully 
slow, and I assume I'm not the only one; so I would like to suggest 
that, as a general rule, it's better to send a reply either to the list 
if your message is of general interest, OR to the individual if it's 
not. This should be easy; just take a look at the "to" and "cc" fields 
before you hit send...

of course, if anyone thinks I am wrong, they should say so.
The only good reason I can think of to cc the person asking the question 
is if they weren't actually on the mailing list, which seems unlikely!

Regards,

PW

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Paul Winkler wrote:
> 
> I have noticed that, when replying to messages posted to the csound
> mailing list, many people send the message both to the list and to the
> person who asked the question. This seems wasteful to me-- every time I
> ask a question I get two emails for every reply. Granted, this is better
> than getting no replies! :) But my email service is sometimes painfully
> slow, and I assume I'm not the only one; so I would like to suggest
> that, as a general rule, it's better to send a reply either to the list
> if your message is of general interest, OR to the individual if it's
> not. This should be easy; just take a look at the "to" and "cc" fields
> before you hit send...
> 
> of course, if anyone thinks I am wrong, they should say so.
> The only good reason I can think of to cc the person asking the question
> is if they weren't actually on the mailing list, which seems unlikely!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> PW
> 

I think that if your connection is actually so slow that getting an
occasional additional copy of a short text-only message, actually makes
a difference, then something must be seriously wrong with you
connection. Also, I don't understand the logic of this, considering the
small percentage of duplicate emails you will get because of this. Say
on a typical day you get 50 incoming emails, and maybe 2 duplicates
because of mailing list replys. I don't see how this could make much of
a difference.

Personally, although it's not a terribly big deal, I kind of like the
CC's, because it makes less likely do accidently delete mail from a
mailing list that was actually in reply to something I said. I certainly
don't read every mail in every mailing list I subscribe to, and quickly
delete a good chunk without reading them, based on the subject. But I
*do* want to read every message that is intended for me, and the dupes
are a good insurance against aciddently tossing my mail.
    
I really have to wonder what kind of email setup you have, where you
actually notice a single additional text message!

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Hi John,

What is the exact URL for downlading ver.3.476?
Are the sources avalaible? (if they are, please post the exact URL)
Is the pipe functional in realtime under Win95?
Thanks

gabriel


jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:

> I have placed a PC/Windows and pc/Console version of ythis on teh
> server.  It is different in many ways -- like being built with
> Micro$oft Visual C++.  A number of mini bugs have been fixed, and a
> major one in teh user interface to PVanal squashed.  wgbow should now
> have k-rate frequency (but I have not tried it... too full of teh
> wonders of MSVC!).  Other major change is that the output and input
> arguments can start with a | in which case they are taken as processes
>
> which are spawned to pipe the audio to/from.  Also fixed floating WAV
> files and new interface to those with more than one sound card (thanks
>
> Richard D).  New opcode is nreverb which is a corrected reverb2
> (thanks Richard K).  Reverb2 will default to nreverb for the present.
>
> There is also a SGI Irix4 version out there.  Others to follow.
>
> I have removed ALL warnings from MSVC about loss of precision.  That
> has affected most files in trivial ways.
>
> Treat with some caution....
>
> ==John








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Hi John,

What is the exact URL for downlading ver.3.476?
Are the sources avalaible? (if they are, please post the exact URL)
Is the pipe functional in realtime under Win95?
Thanks

gabriel


jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:

> I have placed a PC/Windows and pc/Console version of ythis on teh
> server.  It is different in many ways -- like being built with
> Micro$oft Visual C++.  A number of mini bugs have been fixed, and a
> major one in teh user interface to PVanal squashed.  wgbow should now
> have k-rate frequency (but I have not tried it... too full of teh
> wonders of MSVC!).  Other major change is that the output and input
> arguments can start with a | in which case they are taken as processes
>
> which are spawned to pipe the audio to/from.  Also fixed floating WAV
> files and new interface to those with more than one sound card (thanks
>
> Richard D).  New opcode is nreverb which is a corrected reverb2
> (thanks Richard K).  Reverb2 will default to nreverb for the present.
>
> There is also a SGI Irix4 version out there.  Others to follow.
>
> I have removed ALL warnings from MSVC about loss of precision.  That
> has affected most files in trivial ways.
>
> Treat with some caution....
>
> ==John









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So there's a w-statement in the score? It appeared to me as i
was reading "rdscor.c". Now there's quite a few "undocumented"
opcodes (i mean, they seem to be missing in the HTML docs), but
this is the first score statement. Now what is this w-statement
supposed to do? Are there any more score statements apart from
a,e,f,i,t,s ?
What is your advice for me to assemble an as-well-as-possible docu-
mentation? i already have the HTML docs, a small collection of
the notes distributed with the sources, the "list archives" that
jpff placed on the ftp server (highly recommended! no more GEN01
questions, etc.), still a lot of csound lies in the dark.

kd