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That message means that it failed to allocate 1764120 bytes of memory,
which is about 16.5Mb. How much memory does your computer have?
Looks like a problem with your hardware rather than with the system
per se.
==John ffitch
>Dear Csounders:
>
>In a recent orc/sco granular synthesis example posted by Hans
>Mikelson, the following error message occurs:
>
>memory allocate failure for 1764120
>
>This occurs for the most recent versions of csound (Winsound
>Ver. 3.481 as well as csound_new on the PC platform). I was
>surprised to see this error occur again in the most recent
>versions as I thought this problem had been "fixed." (I can
>post the orc/sco if desired.) Any suggestions?
>
>Mark Dal Porto
>mdalporto@twu.edu
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>>>>> "s" == s zambon writes:
s> I ask for a little indulgence if it is wrong, but from
s> the manual - help format for windows - I understand:
s> - octdown converts a, or k, signals to d signals
I do not know what you mean my a d signal. octdown produces asignal
from asignal.
s> - noctdft converts d signals to w signals
No longer exists
s> - spectral opcodes use the w signals
yes
s> - octdown + noctdft are the only opcodes which produce
s> w-signals and the spectral opcodes are the only which
s> can use them (are specaddm, specfilt, specptrk, ecc. the
s> spectral opcodes?).
Do. octdown produces a-sig, and w-data is produced by spectrum. Yes
there are a number of opcodes which use w-data
s> Such the spectral opcodes seem inserviceables without
s> octdown and noctdft.
Not so.
==John ffitch
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That reminds me of the early "demooz" scene in the eighties and early nineties....
We had to learn all the cryptic assembly stuff really the hard way
hardly without any
documentation....years have gone by and now ActiveX plugins , Device
Independent Programming etc etc....are so widespread to supply wonderful
awe for the mind with
a few keystrokes....HAH !
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Hi,
All these excellent tutorials seem like cheating...what about all of us who
had to learn everything the hard way? I think the newbies are going to go
soft. :)
Bye,
Hans Mikelson
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A tutor by Barry Truax ?? Great !
It was actually Barry Truax' work that captured and convinced me *much*
in
exploring electroacoustics....Anyone heard "RIVERRUN" and "BASILICA"
??
Enormous spacetrips...
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Anyone looking for more enlightening Csound tutorials head over to
There's even a good general FM tutorial by Barry Truax.
-Drew
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After hearing much about the upcoming release of Creamware's SCOPE
system i contacted them to see if i could get any more information about
it, this is what i got back which may be of interest to some of the
people on this list.
>Since most of the processing power will be handled from SCOPE's 6 SHARC DSP
>chips (the release version may have 12!)
>you will not need a screaming machine to run it. You would want at last a
>P200, 64 MB of RAM and some very fast hard
>drives. During the summer months as we draw nearer to the release of
>SCOPE, the desired PC configuration will also become
>clearer.
>The basic setup will consist of the Scope PCI hardware and software.
>Pricing is also preliminary but this combination
>will cost roughly 5,000 U.S. We will have confirmed pricing shortly as
>well.
>It is a bit early for me to confirm anything
Regards,
--Mike Thrasher
Creamware U.S
mike@creamware.com
Any further enquiries are welcome, but for myself it seems this system
is way beyond me in price and the performance needed, i knew it was to
good to be true..
Pat.
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Hi Csounders,
Excuse me I don't understand:
>s> - octdown converts a, or k, signals to d signals
>I do not know what you mean my a d signal. octdown produces asignal
>from asignal.
It's true that the manual suggest that octdown converts a-signal to
d-signal:
dsig octdown xsig, iocts, isamps[, idisprd]
wsig noctdft dsig, iprd, ifrqs, iq[, ihann, idbout, idsines]
>s> - noctdft converts d signals to w signals
>No longer exists
>s> - spectral opcodes use the w signals
>yes
But how to get a w-signal? Nothing is mentioned anywhere.
>s> - octdown + noctdft are the only opcodes which produce
>s> w-signals and the spectral opcodes are the only which
>s> can use them (are specaddm, specfilt, specptrk, ecc. the
>s> spectral opcodes?).
>Do. octdown produces a-sig, and w-data is produced by spectrum. Yes
>there are a number of opcodes which use w-data
What do you mean by w-data is produced by spectrum?
I know what is a spectrum, I understand what is w-data but how to
operate that in CSound?
I can't find anything in any manual.
Regard.
--
Jean-Michel DARREMONT
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From: Michael Gogins
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>>I'm having a lot of trouble dealing with notes getting chopped off by
>>succeeding notes and having to go about tweaking envelope settings.Too
>>tedious for extended use.
>
>I think your problem here is that your tryng to let your notes go longer
>than 'p3', this is the total length of each note, release and all, no just
>the sustain period. Make the total length of all the segments to your
>envelopes equal to or less than 'p3' and you note cutting problem should
>disappear.
>
>eg
> kenv linseg 3, 0.07*p3, 2, 0.2*p3, 0, 0.33*p3, .7, 0.4*p3, 0
> (0.07 + 0.2 + 0.33 + 0.4) * p3 = p3
If this indeed the problem described, the following may also help:
(a) I define an attack, a sustain, and a release duration for each note. I
assign p3 to sustain, add the attack and release to it to obtain a total
duration, and then reassign the total duration to p3. This seems to force
the note to last at least as long as the desired attack and release. Of
course, this best suits notes that sound more or less like notes from
instrumental music.
(b) I always impose an overall "damping" envelope using linseg with a short
attack and release to muffle any untoward clicks at the beginning or end of
a note. The actual duration of the attack and release must be changed to
suit the desired timbre. It ranges from .001 seconds to .05 seconds,
usually.
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Drew wrote:
>Aw shucks, Hans...
Jeeeepers, now you've embarrased me. If only I could spell. By the way the
site is:
http://www.werewolf.net/~hljmm/csound/
Actually the "day job" is pretty ordinary...but fun in its own way.
Hans Mikelson
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Hi and sorry for the long post,
I've got a messy setup here and I'm stumbling on several problems.
I need to have Csound running in realtime reading a channel from a
sequencer and spitting out printfs through a pipe to a java TCP/IP
little program (OK!... I know... don't argue...I need that...:-}).
Now, using Maldonado's RT 1.9 version on Win95 I can redirect one track
from cakewalk to a midi yoke junction (using MIDIOX), read this junction
in csound, print out what I want and still play the other tracks on
another midi device, GREAT!
BUT if I pipe stdout to the TCP/IP program it won't work because I'm
running csound from a dos window and DOS is NOT multitasking. What
obviously happens is that the program waits for csound to finish and
sends all the information in one bulk...of course what I need is to spit
out to the client each line at the right time.
My second option is using Windows NT. In this case the TCP/IP stuff
works just right, it sends the info as it is receiving it. MIDIOX is
fine, it has drivers working for NT.
BUT Maldonado's version hangs on NT, at least for me...csound.exe
doesn't find devaudio and winsound neither...
Is anyone running csound with realtime output (and midi input) on NT?
Also, in this case, which sequencer runs fine in NT? Cakewalk doesn't,
Cubase Hanged, Power Tracks hangs 60% of the time...any suggestions
(share, free, demo)?
Third option: Linux. Csound should work fine with devaudio. I can run
JAZZ as midi sequencer. TCP/IP should work fine
I'm not sure about midi input on the linux port (anyone?).
AND: is there anything similar to MIDIOX for Linux?
How can I redirect a track from Jazz to csound (and the other tracks to
a soundblaster)?
SUMMARY:
- In Win95 I need something to transform DOS into a multitasking
environment :-}
- In WinNT I need Maldonado's version or equivalent running (even a very
alpha version) and a sequencer that doesn't hangs...
- In Linux I need a MIDIOX equivalent (and an RTcsound).
I know if I had a Mac I could very easily write something wonderfull in
MAX, but it is not the case...
I hope I haven't bothered you all so much, I'd really appreciate any
help...
Thanks in advance,
Ruggero.
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From: Erez Webman
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Hi. My name is Erez Webman. I'm a musician and an experienced Csound user.
I've been working with Extended Csound for about 3 month. What I do mostly
is developing synthesis algorithms, mainly in the "physical modelling" and
"arithmetic instruments" domains. In the next days, I'll send to this list
quite a few bug reports. Well, let's start:
A-RATE TABLE & TABLEI
=====================
The opcodes table and tablei seems not to work correctly when used in
a-rate. This can be demonstrated by the following csound program:
~~~ SCO file ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i1 0 5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~ ORC file ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
sr = 44100
kr = 441
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 2
gifn ftgen 0, 0, 4097, 7, 0, 4097, 1
instr 1
aindex line -1000,p3,5000
aout tablei aindex,gifn,0,0,0
outs aindex,aout*30000
endin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Incorrect output is also presented if you replace the line:
aout tablei aindex,gifn,0,0,0
with the line: aout tablei aindex,gifn,0,0,1
or with the line: aout table aindex,gifn,0,0,0
However, if you replace it with the line: aout table aindex,gifn,0,0,1
the output is OK...
k-rate table (and tablei) doesn't suffer from this problem. However, they
do suffer from another problem, which is described in the next item.
K-RATE TABLES LARGER THAN 8192
==============================
Consider the following Csound program:
~~~ SCO file ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
i1 0 5
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~ ORC file ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
sr = 44100
kr = 44100
ksmps = 1
nchnls = 2
gifn ftgen 0, 0, 16385, 7, 0, 16384, 1
instr 1
kindex line -4000,p3,20000
kout tablei kindex,gifn,0,0,0
aout = kout
aindex = kindex
outs aindex,aout*30000
endin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The output (aout) is a stream of zeros. If you make the table
smaller (8192 or less), the output is fine. This bug probably
exists also for a-rate tables, but I didn't test it.
Regards,
Erez Webman
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References:
Hi,
> The opcodes table and tablei seems not to work correctly when used in
> a-rate. This can be demonstrated by the following csound program:
I am suffering from this bug, too, and I reported it to the ADI support.
They just told me they are close to the next release and tablei will
be fixed. ( This was 2 month ago )
Greetings - Peter
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Subject: writing opcodes
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Hi,
can someone tell me how to write opcodes for extended csound?
I have been writing opcodes for standard csound before,
but I could not find any documentation how to to this in
extended csound.
Thank you - Peter
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Hello List,
I didn't found so much about M$' Hydra so I guess it would be allright to name
my programm hYdra, sorry about confusing you. The alternative names send to
this list where really funny, thank you.
For your delight I bring soon an update with a new feature, a spectrum mixer
there you can adjust the general volumes of the harmonics instead of the
painful breakpointediting.
I keep you informed,
Malte Steiner
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