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Date1998-05-08 08:00
FromSteinersT1
Subjectfor Ensoniq User->Transwaves with CSound
Hello,

here a positing for Ensoniq users showing how I create Transwaves, a special
feature of Ensoniq engines like the PPGish wavetable synthesis.

These are two scripts for cSound you need to generate transwave compatible
samples, put it in two textfiles and compile them with CSound

;here the orchestre file begins:
; usual data cSound needs
sr = 22050
kr =   220.5
ksmps = 100
nchnls = 1; suggestion, how about 2 ->stereo??

instr 1 ;here it comes
	ifade = p4 ; the 'morphing control'

;take for example 3 oscs using different waveforms(->tables in scorefile)
;frequency should be 60,120,240,... perhaps fraction works too?
      a1 oscil 11000,60,2   
	a2 oscil 12000,120,1
	a3 oscil 14000,240,3
	
;mix them
	a4 = a1+a2+a3

;stuff them in a filterbank for example and let mutate it
	a5 areson a4,ifade,2000
	a6 areson a5,10+ifade,1000
	a7 areson a6,100+ifade,1020
	a8 areson a7,20000-ifade,1045
	a9 areson a8,20000-ifade*2,2377
	a10 areson a9,20200-ifade*4,2353

;normalize them
	ausgang balance a10,a1

;output them
	out ausgang
endin

;end of orc file

You can also use different synthalgorhythms, important is the frequency so the
single cycles and harmonics fits together seamless!

Here comes the score files with the note data and the tables for the
waveforms:

;score file starts 
; Wavetable for ASR 10/EPS
; Harmonics:

f3 0 1024 7 0 512 1 0 -1 511 0
f1 0 32 10 7 0 8 9 8 7
f2 0 2 10 1 2 5 2 1

;here the notedata begins
;Important is the frequency! (the fractionnumber)
;1 is the morphing start, just a example, 
; exchange it with suitable values for your synthorc

i1 0 0.0167 100
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; +. genereates next note
; < interpolates between start/end value (here = 5000)
; e is the end of scorefile (important for csound)
i1 + . 5000
e

So, transfer the resulting samplefile to your ensoniq, loop starts at 0, end
is 400 (you may turn off 'autofinding') set the modulationtype to TRANSWAVE
and set the looppositon and modulator settings to suitable values. You may
also adjust the BaseKey

If you have any questions, feel free to mail me.

With friendly greetings,

Malte Steiner

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Hello,

now the first version of Hydra is online. I got to change the name because I
find a hexeditor called already hedit while programming. You can find my
program for editing hetrodyne analysis files on

http://members.aol.com/additiv

The first version is somehow harmonic surgery because you edit the detailed
envelopes. Later versions will got 'macro' modules like morphing filters
etc...watch out.
Now it is for windows only, a port to Java will follow and portions of the
software will be transferd to commandoline (DOS and UNIX) for blind users and
batchwork, later.

Hope all works, CU

Malte Steiner


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Grrrrrr,

a minute ago someone show me an article about M$ new toy called - Hydra, so I
have to drop the name again I guess. Any suggestions?


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>Grrrrrr,
>
>a minute ago someone show me an article about M$ new toy called - Hydra, so I
>have to drop the name again I guess. Any suggestions?


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I would like to post some questions..

 

-  I think that contemporary composers of classical music were inspired by supernatural
   inspiration...As with any field of creation / inventions / development, it could be inspired  by afterlife souls.
 

- Emotions and music :  music/sound contain time-evolving patterns that fit in certain
  "emotion-patterns" and therefor activating certain according emotions....If  composers could do very serious and very CONSCIOUS research on that topic : an extremely new kind of music could be founded for the next centuries....music that would be EFFECTIVE. I think that electroacoustic music is the very first attempt towards that new music. Classical music was actually a first beginning.

- Music & Color for enhancing physical and mental health :  I don't mean the usual New-Age music here, I mean a new way of artists dealing with  their creations :  Im almost 100% sure that there must be a way to use color and sound to
stimulate/manipulate mental and physical settings of humans, animals and plants.

please give as much comments as possible...
 

- Csound is a great tool for that.  Ha !   ;-)
 

David.
    Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24489; 8 May 98 17:47 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21689; 8 May 98 17:46 BST Received: (qmail 2456 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 16:46:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 May 1998 16:46:47 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA09793); Fri, 8 May 1998 17:38:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 8 May 98 17:37:55 +0100 Received: from tambau.equipenet.com.br [200.241.194.2] by hermes via SMTP (RAA23301); Fri, 8 May 1998 17:37:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from dial-10.equipenet.com.br (dial-10.equipenet.com.br [200.241.194.160]) by tambau.equipenet.com.br (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ya021006 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 13:36:28 -0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980508163959.00726a9c@pop3.equipenet.com.br> X-Sender: psotuyo@pop3.equipenet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 13:39:59 -0300 To: SteinersT1 From: "Lic. Pablo Sotuyo Blanco" Subject: Re: hYdra name Cc: Csound Mailing List X-Info: EquipeNet - O seu Provedor Internet! Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 08:27 08/05/98 EDT, you wrote: >Grrrrrr, > >a minute ago someone show me an article about M$ new toy called - Hydra, so= I >have to drop the name again I guess. Any suggestions? > If Hydra cannot be used... What do think about calling it as LAERNA (thinking about Greek Myths...) ;) Pablo. ----------------------------------------------- Lic.Pablo Sotuyo Blanco Compositor / Composer =20 Interprete de Corno Frances / French Horn Player=20 4=BA Corno de la Banda Sinfonica Municipal de Montevideo /=20 4th French Horn of the Montevideo City Hall Symphonic Band Luppo Music (Sounds & Casuals) Editor ----------------------------------------------- mailto:psotuyo@equipenet.com.br -----------------------------------------------   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24608; 8 May 98 18:42 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03145; 8 May 98 18:42 BST Received: (qmail 6582 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 17:42:02 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 May 1998 17:42:02 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA14669); Fri, 8 May 1998 18:33:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 8 May 98 18:33:20 +0100 Received: from terminus.ayched.com [205.147.7.170] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA02264); Fri, 8 May 1998 18:33:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from terminus.ayched.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by terminus.ayched.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03649; Fri, 8 May 1998 10:33:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199805081733.KAA03649@terminus.ayched.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: Derek Pierce Cc: Csound Subject: Re: Processor In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 May 1998 10:02:05 PDT." <35533A8C.97331233@bathspa.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 10:33:24 -0600 From: Ed Hall Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This chip has possibly the worst floating-point performance of any of the Intel-compatibles running at comparable clock speeds. If you're on a budget, get a Pentium MMX or an AMD K6. The latter runs Csound quite well--I've got one at 233MHz, and I get the following on the Csound benchmark: Test Bach-d Bach-m Riss-g Riss-m Guit-d Guit-m Jame-g pvanal lpanal ============================================================================== K6/233 5.6 5.6 3.3 3.1 5.8 5.8 0.4 5.8 4.1 (Note: I'm running Unix on this box. W95 results may vary...) An IDT WinChip would get about half this performance, given the same clock rate. (A Pentium II would do considerably better than the K6, but it isn't going to plug into your current motherboard.) One warning: make sure your system board can be set to the appropriate voltage for whatever CPU you buy, and that your BIOS is compatible with it. -Ed -Ed   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24668; 8 May 98 19:05 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05167; 8 May 98 19:05 BST Received: (qmail 21916 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 18:05:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 May 1998 18:05:22 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA02770); Fri, 8 May 1998 19:00:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 8 May 98 19:00:12 +0100 Received: from jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9] by hermes via SMTP (TAA27719); Fri, 8 May 1998 19:00:00 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 14884 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 17:53:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cableinet.co.uk) (194.117.146.143) by jaguars with SMTP; 8 May 1998 17:53:04 -0000 Message-Id: <35534792.B6B6CA96@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 18:57:38 +0100 From: Richard Dobson Organization: Composers Desktop project X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Lic. Pablo Sotuyo Blanco" Cc: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: hYdra name References: <1.5.4.32.19980508163959.00726a9c@pop3.equipenet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Or, following the Grrrr theme, how about 'Cerberus'? Richard Dobson Lic. Pablo Sotuyo Blanco wrote: > At 08:27 08/05/98 EDT, you wrote: > >Grrrrrr, > > > >a minute ago someone show me an article about M$ new toy called - Hydra, so I > >have to drop the name again I guess. Any suggestions? > > > If Hydra cannot be used... > What do think about calling it as LAERNA (thinking about Greek > Myths...) ;) > Pablo.   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Csounders! Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Csounders, I am assisting in preparation of a csound FAQ and information sheet which may be included in the appendix of Richard Boulanger's book and/or CD-ROM on csound. This material may also be posted on the csound website at montreal and other locations and appear on the MIT Csound site that will be supporting the book. if you wish to be included, kindly reply to me directly and provide any or all of the following information you consent to include for the above stated purposes. note that the only criteria for submission of your work is that it utilize csound. a separate consent form will be sent if orcs, scos, instruments or audio are desired specifically for the CD-ROM or book. Optional information: your name internet address of website relevant to your work. email address. explanation of how csound is used, general methodology for composition, role of other software, hardware and techniques. name of performing group name of compositions and/or volume (cd, whatever) date of compositions and/or recording contact information for purchase. 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Pablo Sotuyo Blanco" Subject: Re: Unlimited curiosity X-Info: EquipeNet - O seu Provedor Internet! Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, David... At 15:30 08/05/98 +0200, David Schuyeteneer wrote: >I would like to post some questions.. I am waiting for them... go ahead! >I think that contemporary composers of classical music were >inspired by supernatural inspiration...As with any field of creation / >inventions / development, it could be inspired by afterlife souls. Yes... it could be possible in some cases, but... where is the question? >Emotions and music : music/sound contain time-evolving patterns >that fit in certain >"emotion-patterns" and therefor activating certain according >emotions....If composers could do very serious and very CONSCIOUS >research on that topic : an extremely new kind of music could be founded >for the next centuries....music that would be EFFECTIVE. I think that electroacoustic >music is the very first attempt towards that new music. Classical music >was actually a first beginning. > You've pointed the heart of the matter, although it hasn't began with Classical music... Every kind of vibration (sound/light/etc.) has the power to affect ourselves in many ways. The CONSCIOUS use of them is the real hidden key that we MUST consider everytime we play/compose/rehearse music (in our actual field of creation). It includes a MORAL side that would be very interesting to discuss, but very hard to stand in these days... ;))) >- Music Color for enhancing physical and mental health : >I don't mean the usual New-Age music here, I mean a new way of artists >dealing with their creations : Im almost 100% sure that there >must be a way to use color and sound to >stimulate/manipulate mental and physical settings of humans, animals >and plants. When you say STIMULATE everything seems ok... But when you say MANIPULATE, it comes to me a freezing image of lack of consciousness and resposability... Without consider other ethical options... ;) I think that the most important thing to consider is the utter intentions of every work, of every composition, of every human creation. And without arrogance and selfishness, I think we have to consider this very carefully and finally choose our own side over the boundaries of the conscious vs. unconscious field. I'm really convinced that composers has a vital role in social development. But the moral of this role is fundamental to be clear. >please give as much comments as possible... I'm doing so... but I'm still waiting for your questions... ;))) >Csound is a great tool for that. Ha ! ;-) For sure... =20 Hope it helps...=20 >David. Pablo. ----------------------------------------------- Lic.Pablo Sotuyo Blanco Compositor / Composer =20 Interprete de Corno Frances / French Horn Player=20 4=BA Corno de la Banda Sinfonica Municipal de Montevideo /=20 4th French Horn of the Montevideo City Hall Symphonic Band Luppo Music (Sounds & Casuals) Editor ----------------------------------------------- mailto:psotuyo@equipenet.com.br -----------------------------------------------   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa25040; 8 May 98 21:26 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10165; 8 May 98 21:25 BST Received: (qmail 22655 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 20:25:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 May 1998 20:25:54 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA09363); Fri, 8 May 1998 21:22:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 8 May 98 21:21:31 +0100 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.113] by hermes via ESMTP (VAA07339); Fri, 8 May 1998 21:21:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from prodigy.net (ppp-207.115.19.55.prodigy.net [207.115.19.55]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12092; Fri, 8 May 1998 16:19:39 -0400 Message-Id: <355368C7.E564DF9B@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 16:19:20 -0400 From: Carlton Wilkinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Fat_Boy , Csound list Subject: Re: balancing samples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I recently gave up on loscil in favor of sndwarp, which does the same thing. There, by playing around with the overlaps and the window size, you can get a pretty consistent texture. Never pure, really, but better than what I could do with my limited understanding and the loscil opcode. -- Carlton Joseph Wilkinson http://excaliber.net/alex/wilkwrks.htm   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa25289; 9 May 98 0:00 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa15531; 9 May 98 0:00 BST Received: (qmail 23364 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 23:00:11 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 May 1998 23:00:11 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA22891); Fri, 8 May 1998 23:48:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 8 May 98 23:48:08 +0100 Received: from tambau.equipenet.com.br [200.241.194.2] by hermes via SMTP (XAA05151); Fri, 8 May 1998 23:47:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from dial-05.equipenet.com.br (dial-05.equipenet.com.br [200.241.194.155]) by tambau.equipenet.com.br (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id sa021026 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 19:46:46 -0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980508225019.00724280@pop3.equipenet.com.br> X-Sender: psotuyo@pop3.equipenet.com.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 19:50:19 -0300 To: Csound Mailing List From: "Lic. Pablo Sotuyo Blanco" Subject: loscil - sndwarp X-Info: EquipeNet - O seu Provedor Internet! Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Carlton, >I recently gave up on loscil in favor of sndwarp, which does the same >thing. There, by playing around with the overlaps and the window size, >you can get a pretty consistent texture. Never pure, really, but better >than what I could do with my limited understanding and the loscil >opcode. >-- >Carlton Joseph Wilkinson >http://excaliber.net/alex/wilkwrks.htm Sorry about my ignorance... but... what is sndwarp? thanx in advance... Pablo.   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa25353; 9 May 98 0:48 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa17269; 9 May 98 0:48 BST Received: (qmail 25232 invoked from network); 8 May 1998 23:48:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 8 May 1998 23:48:04 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA16651); Sat, 9 May 1998 00:44:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 9 May 98 00:44:18 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [206.103.224.20] by hermes via SMTP (AAA13449); Sat, 9 May 1998 00:44:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from hljmm by howl.werewolf.net via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) for id SAA19603; Fri, 8 May 1998 18:44:14 -0500 From: Hans Mikelson To: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: hYdra name Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 18:45:04 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd7adb$53112160$37e167ce@hljmm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If Hydra cannot be used... I thought you couldn't name something the same name as another similar product. For example you may be able to call your new keyboard Ford keyboards because there is no chance that you will be competing with Ford. Likewise you could manufacture a Moog automobile without violating trademark restrictions. As long as your product is not similar to the other product of the same name. I think thats how it works. Regards, Hans Mikelson   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa25404; 9 May 98 1:41 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18939; 9 May 98 1:41 BST Received: (qmail 23819 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 May 1998 00:41:37 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA07998); Sat, 9 May 1998 01:38:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 9 May 98 01:37:59 +0100 Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.113] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA21573); Sat, 9 May 1998 01:37:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from prodigy.net (ppp-207.115.19.32.prodigy.net [207.115.19.32]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12174; Fri, 8 May 1998 20:34:47 -0400 Message-Id: <3553A473.7E6B7071@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 08 May 1998 20:33:56 -0400 From: Carlton Wilkinson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Lic. Pablo Sotuyo Blanco" , Csound list Subject: Re: loscil - sndwarp References: <1.5.4.32.19980508225019.00724280@pop3.equipenet.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sndwarp is a fairly new opcode -- someone else on the list can tell you when exactly it was instituted. I only just found out about it recently. But I'm running the latest Mills PPC version, which predates Csound 3.47--but I don't know by how much. The trick for me was getting a current version of the manual--an html version of 3.46 is available and it includes sndwarp. Lic. Pablo Sotuyo Blanco wrote: > Hi Carlton, > > >I recently gave up on loscil in favor of sndwarp, which does the same > >thing. There, by playing around with the overlaps and the window size, > >you can get a pretty consistent texture. Never pure, really, but better > >than what I could do with my limited understanding and the loscil > >opcode. > >-- > >Carlton Joseph Wilkinson > >http://excaliber.net/alex/wilkwrks.htm > > Sorry about my ignorance... but... what is sndwarp? > thanx in advance... > Pablo. -- Carlton Joseph Wilkinson http://excaliber.net/alex/wilkwrks.htm   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa25659; 9 May 98 3:35 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa26594; 9 May 98 3:34 BST Received: (qmail 24226 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 02:34:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 May 1998 02:34:56 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA03567); Sat, 9 May 1998 03:31:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 9 May 98 03:31:30 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [206.30.88.4] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA06973); Sat, 9 May 1998 03:31:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [208.151.41.219] ([208.151.41.193]) by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO205e ID# 141-39833U2500L250S0) with ESMTP id AAA152; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:30:35 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01bd7adb$53112160$37e167ce@hljmm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:33:03 -0500 To: SteinersT1 , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork From: tolve Subject: Re: hYdra name Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In the US, trademark law encompasses numerous factors -fought over at great expense in civil court (though i understand that there are insurance policies for this sort of thing). While it is true that there is far less likelihood of a battle over the use of similar names in products that do not compete, under the principle of dilution you could run into trouble if your mark is judged to somehow diminish the effect of a widely known mark. and large companies with many lawyers on retainer... tolve Hans Mikelson wrote: > If Hydra cannot be used... > > >I thought you couldn't name something the same name as another similar >product. For example you may be able to call your new keyboard Ford >keyboards because there is no chance that you will be competing with Ford. >Likewise you could manufacture a Moog automobile without violating trademark >restrictions. As long as your product is not similar to the other product >of the same name. > >I think thats how it works. > >Regards,   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa25680; 9 May 98 3:50 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa27207; 9 May 98 3:50 BST Received: (qmail 29291 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 02:50:23 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 May 1998 02:50:23 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA13015); Sat, 9 May 1998 03:47:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 9 May 98 03:47:14 +0100 Received: from harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.102] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA13580); Sat, 9 May 1998 03:47:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.70]) by harfang.CC.UMontreal.CA (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA19258 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA [132.204.2.73]) by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22632 for ; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from burtona@localhost) by mistral.ERE.UMontreal.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA17193; Fri, 8 May 1998 22:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 8 May 1998 22:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Burton Alexandre Subject: Re: hYdra name Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Maybe i'm wrong, but isn't it when Apple's computers started to make sounds that could be generously described as "music" that Apple Records sued them for making a product that competed into the "music industry" under the name "Apple"? ALex. On Fri, 8 May 1998, tolve wrote: > In the US, trademark law encompasses numerous factors -fought over at great > expense in civil court (though i understand that there are insurance > policies for this sort of thing). While it is true that there is far less > likelihood of a battle over the use of similar names in products that do > not compete, under the principle of dilution you could run into trouble if > your mark is judged to somehow diminish the effect of a widely known mark. > and large companies with many lawyers on retainer... > > tolve > > > Hans Mikelson wrote: > > > If Hydra cannot be used... > > > > > >I thought you couldn't name something the same name as another similar > >product. For example you may be able to call your new keyboard Ford > >keyboards because there is no chance that you will be competing with Ford. > >Likewise you could manufacture a Moog automobile without violating trademark > >restrictions. As long as your product is not similar to the other product > >of the same name. > > > >I think thats how it works. > > > >Regards, > > > > > Alex. "the map is not the territory" (korzybski)   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa26170; 9 May 98 9:48 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08699; 9 May 98 9:48 BST Received: (qmail 5099 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 08:48:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 May 1998 08:48:08 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA14486); Sat, 9 May 1998 09:42:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 9 May 98 09:42:23 +0100 Received: from send1c.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.38] by hermes via SMTP (JAA27246); Sat, 9 May 1998 09:42:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <19980509084340.16991.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Received: from [210.72.69.5] by send1c; Sat, 09 May 1998 01:43:40 PDT Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 01:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Qian Chen Subject: question about grain To: Csound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have a problem with grain. I programed the following csound orc & sco to study grain. Then I found that I always could not make the sound decay to 0 no matter how long I set p3. I used "kamp oscil 1,1/idur,1" as usual to generate the amplitude envelop. What's wrong? Any comment is welcomed. Qian Chen ;orchestra file sr=44100 kr=441 ksmps=100 nchnls=1 instr 1 idur = p3 kamp oscil 2000,1/idur,1 kcps line cpspch(5.00),1,cpspch(6.00) kpitch randh 1, kcps idens = 125 iampoff = 200 ipitchoff = cpsoct(10) igdur = .3 igfn = 2 iwfn = 3 imgdur = .5 ar grain kamp, kpitch, idens, iampoff, ipitchoff, igdur, igfn, iwfn, imgdur out ar endin ;score file f1 0 1024 7 0 512 1 512 0 f2 0 1024 5 0.1 200 1 300 .5 400 .7 124 .1 f3 0 1024 7 0 256 1 256 .5 256 1 256 0 i1 0 15 1 e _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com   Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa26230; 9 May 98 10:28 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10224; 9 May 98 10:27 BST Received: (qmail 6021 invoked from network); 9 May 1998 09:27:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 May 1998 09:27:47 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (KAA06321); Sat, 9 May 1998 10:22:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 9 May 98 10:22:13 +0100 Received: from hermes.dur.ac.uk [129.234.4.9] by hermes via ESMTP (KAA17717); Sat, 9 May 1998 10:22:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from mercury by hermes.dur.ac.uk id (8.8.8/ for dur.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:22:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from altair by mercury id ; Sat, 9 May 1998 10:22:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 10:22:04 +0100 (BST) From: Manning Reply-To: Manning To: Burton Alexandre Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: hYdra name In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Burton Alexandre is correct re the trademark dispute Apple Corps v Apple Corps over the use of 'Apple': The case ran in the High Court in London for over a year and cost millions, and then I believe carried on further in the USA. It arose out of an earlier agreement between the two companies which basically said Apple Records would not make computers and Apple Computers would not make products capable of generating music. However this original agreement was itself the outcome of legal proceedings purely over the use of the name 'Apple', and associated logos, by two different organisations on the grounds that there was the distinct possibility of a conflict of trade interests, so there is a cautionary tale here re the current debate over hYdra. Do not underestimate the potential consequences of trademark disputes - they are very costly.... Peter Manning On Fri, 8 May 1998, Burton Alexandre wrote: > > Maybe i'm wrong, but isn't it when Apple's computers started to make > sounds that could be generously described as "music" that Apple Records sued > them for making a product that competed into the "music industry" under > the name "Apple"? > > > ALex. > >