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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Andersson writes:
Anders> On 20-Apr-99, you wrote:
>> and if you want to do xyin opcode you need the following two; or at
>> least dummies liek these
>>
>> void MakeXYin(XYINDAT *wdptr, float x, float y) /* initial proportions
Anders> */
>> void ReadXYin(XYINDAT *wdptr)
Anders> _*Question:*_
Anders> What do you mean with /'initial proportions?'/
Anders> Is it the aspect ratio of the window, or is it the absolute window size?
You are passed the range of values which are being requested from teh
xyin opcode. So it is up to the implementor what (s)he does with
them. You can create your own size or whatever.
Anders> 1. What's happened with the function "oload()" from "oload.c"
Anders> used in "musmon.c" since V3.40? It seems to do nothing for
Anders> about 5-10 seconds now. In V3.40 I didn't even notice the
Anders> time!
Anders> Ofcourse the long wait depends on my *slow* computer (68030/50mhz),
Anders> and that the Amiga is generally slow on memory access.
Anders> but the speed difference between the old and new version is about
Anders> 2000%, so something must have happened.
Anders> Could it be that PMAX has increased *A LOT*?
Anders> What did it used to be in V3.40?
You could (and maybe we should) precompute the cpspch table.
Anders> 2. When displaying a graph, should the program ALWAYS wait for the
Anders> user to click on the window before starting to draw?
Anders> If so, why? I think it's very annoying, but that could be IMHO.
This is rather open. I instituted an environment parameter (CSNOSTOP
I think) to control this. On X11 it does not stop at there are
multiple windows. On DOS where there is only ever one it stops so you
might be able to see it. Reeally it is up teh the platform
implementor
Anders> 3. Has anyone compiled csound in GCC using "-ffast-math"?
Anders> I have used that for my test versions, and it has worked flawlessly
Anders> on every score i've synthesized.
Never heard of it.....
Anders> 4. Is there something wrong with the makefile for "anal/adsyn"?
Anders> I can't get it to compile! I get the error message
Anders> "makef:13: *** multiple target patterns. Stop.".
Anders> I bet this has something to do with my "make" program, but
Anders> if I'm lucky, it's an error in the makefile! =)
yes there is a silly error which I have corrected but not distributed.
Anders> 5. Are there any documentation for using ".csd" files, or is it
Anders> just Me that's blind?
I think it was documented somewhere....probebly in my head.
The format is that it starts with
or
and ends with or
although these are optional!
The sections all start with a tag and end with a /tag
Sections, in any order are
and
The middle two of these shoudl be obvious. In CsOptions any command
line thing can be given, spread over as many lines as wanted, except
that if an argumen is required (such as -o) then it must be on the
same line.
In a binary file is presented, after a line
Size = %d
which says how long teh MIDIfile is. I think there is a bug here as
it is mixing character and binary files, which is not necessarily
correct in ANSI C.
Does that help?
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Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
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Message written at 23 Apr 1999 13:21:13 +0100
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>>>>> "Anders" == Anders Andersson writes:
Anders> On 20-Apr-99, you wrote:
>> and if you want to do xyin opcode you need the following two; or at
>> least dummies liek these
>>
>> void MakeXYin(XYINDAT *wdptr, float x, float y) /* initial proportions
Anders> */
>> void ReadXYin(XYINDAT *wdptr)
Anders> _*Question:*_
Anders> What do you mean with /'initial proportions?'/
Anders> Is it the aspect ratio of the window, or is it the absolute window size?
You are passed the range of values which are being requested from teh
xyin opcode. So it is up to the implementor what (s)he does with
them. You can create your own size or whatever.
Anders> 1. What's happened with the function "oload()" from "oload.c"
Anders> used in "musmon.c" since V3.40? It seems to do nothing for
Anders> about 5-10 seconds now. In V3.40 I didn't even notice the
Anders> time!
Anders> Ofcourse the long wait depends on my *slow* computer (68030/50mhz),
Anders> and that the Amiga is generally slow on memory access.
Anders> but the speed difference between the old and new version is about
Anders> 2000%, so something must have happened.
Anders> Could it be that PMAX has increased *A LOT*?
Anders> What did it used to be in V3.40?
You could (and maybe we should) precompute the cpspch table.
Anders> 2. When displaying a graph, should the program ALWAYS wait for the
Anders> user to click on the window before starting to draw?
Anders> If so, why? I think it's very annoying, but that could be IMHO.
This is rather open. I instituted an environment parameter (CSNOSTOP
I think) to control this. On X11 it does not stop at there are
multiple windows. On DOS where there is only ever one it stops so you
might be able to see it. Reeally it is up teh the platform
implementor
Anders> 3. Has anyone compiled csound in GCC using "-ffast-math"?
Anders> I have used that for my test versions, and it has worked flawlessly
Anders> on every score i've synthesized.
Never heard of it.....
Anders> 4. Is there something wrong with the makefile for "anal/adsyn"?
Anders> I can't get it to compile! I get the error message
Anders> "makef:13: *** multiple target patterns. Stop.".
Anders> I bet this has something to do with my "make" program, but
Anders> if I'm lucky, it's an error in the makefile! =)
yes there is a silly error which I have corrected but not distributed.
Anders> 5. Are there any documentation for using ".csd" files, or is it
Anders> just Me that's blind?
I think it was documented somewhere....probebly in my head.
The format is that it starts with
or
and ends with or
although these are optional!
The sections all start with a tag and end with a /tag
Sections, in any order are
and
The middle two of these shoudl be obvious. In CsOptions any command
line thing can be given, spread over as many lines as wanted, except
that if an argumen is required (such as -o) then it must be on the
same line.
In a binary file is presented, after a line
Size = %d
which says how long teh MIDIfile is. I think there is a bug here as
it is mixing character and binary files, which is not necessarily
correct in ANSI C.
Does that help?
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>Will the perpe^H^Hson responsible for this please make it stop?
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>
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Hello,
I just upload to standalone console tools derieved from hYdra.
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Compressed in Unix, PC and Mac formats
Note 1: the PDF version is an alternative to the better formatted David
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And some people like Windows, for various reasons.
jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
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> Some people are constrained to run Windows. For example, our beloved
> head of department has recently bought a number of PCs which are not
> capable of running Linux, and we may be forced into using NT.
> Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
> MacOs 7 (and teh Atari seems to have died).
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> ==John ffitch
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Check out the lists charter for moderator dude...
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Hear, hear!
Terry Cast wrote:
>
> And some people like Windows, for various reasons.
>
> jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > Message written at 23 Apr 1999 13:25:11 +0100
> > --- Copy of mail to pipe@algonet.se ---
> >
> > Some people are constrained to run Windows. For example, our beloved
> > head of department has recently bought a number of PCs which are not
> > capable of running Linux, and we may be forced into using NT.
> > Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
> > MacOs 7 (and teh Atari seems to have died).
> >
> > ==John ffitch
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-----Original Message-----
From: Job M. van Zuijlen
To: Csound List
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Winsound v. 3.53 ROCKS!!
>Hear, hear!
>
>Terry Cast wrote:
>>
>> And some people like Windows, for various reasons.
>>
>> jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>>
>> > Message written at 23 Apr 1999 13:25:11 +0100
>> > --- Copy of mail to pipe@algonet.se ---
>> >
>> > Some people are constrained to run Windows. For example, our beloved
>> > head of department has recently bought a number of PCs which are not
>> > capable of running Linux, and we may be forced into using NT.
>> > Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
>> > MacOs 7 (and teh Atari seems to have died).
>> >
>> > ==John ffitch
>
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WARNING!!
*SERIOUS* FLAME ON:
Re: Windows
I cannot let this pass without pointing out that I have currently *five*
job offers to
basically the same thing:
Move E-commerce sites from horribly unstable and slow NT platforms & A.S.P.
to
stable, scalable and fast Unix servers and C or Perl. In all cases, NT was
chosen by
the high-level management, and was found to be inadequate after it was
deployed.
What does that say for Microsoft?
If you prefer M.S. O.Ses....well I would bet that lot of you have worked
primarily on
MS the entire time you have worked on computers. Sigh. I have worked on
well..so many OSes I cannot remember (> 8), and I find Windows to be the
least attractive of the lot. Others may disagree... but they are *wrong*.
Period.
I personally find csound under linux *much* faster than Microsoft based
platforms.
Of course, I do not do real-time. If you want to waste your $2000 box to
poorly mimic a
$500-$1000 synthesiser's sound, go ahead.
I think I have *yet* to hear a csound instrument that runs in real-time that
sounds interesting.
There is *so* much more that csound can do.
It is a pity that so many users seem to find
real-time response the be-all-and-end-all of csound work.
Gag. If I hear another MIDI realization using 3 oscs, pluck, and a
cheap-filtered-white-noise-closed-cymbal-chiff,
I think I will violently void my stomach contents.
BACK TO "DISSIN'" THE WORST OS OF ALL TIME:
If you think that hardware support is a good reason for using M.S. :
well, maybe, but ask yourself: if they *didn't* have a clear monopoly, would
this hardware support superiority exist? CLEARLY NOT. I KNOW NO PROGRAMMER
(caveat: as personal aquaintance) WHO PREFERS MS DEV. ENVIRONMENTS. Usless
they use it exclusively, and are deathly afraid of Emacs. (poor lost
souls....)
Having spent a little time recently fixing a MS VisualStudio (C++) app for a
client, I can say,
"God, I can't imagine someone who prefers this tool to gcc/gdb/emacs!!!"
So yes, I've tried it & I'M KNOCKING IT. IT SUCKS.
Please grow up as programmers, folks. Learn gnu software.
OK -
flame over. whew.
Please forgive. I wish I didn't care so much about this issue. Really.
CharlieB
"Job M. van Zuijlen" wrote:
> Hear, hear!
>
> Terry Cast wrote:
> >
> > And some people like Windows, for various reasons.
> >
> > jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
> >
> > > Message written at 23 Apr 1999 13:25:11 +0100
> > > --- Copy of mail to pipe@algonet.se ---
> > >
> > > Some people are constrained to run Windows. For example, our beloved
> > > head of department has recently bought a number of PCs which are not
> > > capable of running Linux, and we may be forced into using NT.
> > > Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
> > > MacOs 7 (and teh Atari seems to have died).
> > >
> > > ==John ffitch
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Never cared much about e-commerce. One thing only. Windows NT is more
and more becoming the platform of choice for professional 3D animation
(something that does interest me and which I will be combining with
csound generated music) and similar intensive graphic applications. I
like to do more than just csound on my computer and don't have thousands
to spend on a SGI Irix workstation or something like that. If
everything I want to use runs under Linux, I will consider it. I have
worked with all kinds of OSes, but for my current interest, Windows is
the least inappropriate. I'm not interested in fighting Microsoft, I
have better things to do, creating art, for instance.
Job van Zuijlen
Charles Baker wrote:
>
> WARNING!!
> *SERIOUS* FLAME ON:
> Re: Windows
>
> [more heat removed]
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Beautifull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Charles for taking the time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Baker
To: Csound List
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:44 PM
Subject: Re: Winsound v. 3.53 ROCKS!!(GAG! SERIOUS FLAME!)
>WARNING!!
>*SERIOUS* FLAME ON:
>Re: Windows
>
> I cannot let this pass without pointing out that I have currently *five*
>job offers to
>basically the same thing:
>Move E-commerce sites from horribly unstable and slow NT platforms & A.S.P.
>to
>stable, scalable and fast Unix servers and C or Perl. In all cases, NT was
>chosen by
>the high-level management, and was found to be inadequate after it was
>deployed.
>What does that say for Microsoft?
>
>If you prefer M.S. O.Ses....well I would bet that lot of you have worked
>primarily on
>MS the entire time you have worked on computers. Sigh. I have worked on
>well..so many OSes I cannot remember (> 8), and I find Windows to be the
>least attractive of the lot. Others may disagree... but they are *wrong*.
>Period.
>
>I personally find csound under linux *much* faster than Microsoft based
>platforms.
>
>Of course, I do not do real-time. If you want to waste your $2000 box to
>poorly mimic a
>$500-$1000 synthesiser's sound, go ahead.
>I think I have *yet* to hear a csound instrument that runs in real-time
that
>sounds interesting.
>
>There is *so* much more that csound can do.
>It is a pity that so many users seem to find
>real-time response the be-all-and-end-all of csound work.
>Gag. If I hear another MIDI realization using 3 oscs, pluck, and a
>cheap-filtered-white-noise-closed-cymbal-chiff,
>I think I will violently void my stomach contents.
>
>BACK TO "DISSIN'" THE WORST OS OF ALL TIME:
>
>If you think that hardware support is a good reason for using M.S. :
>well, maybe, but ask yourself: if they *didn't* have a clear monopoly,
would
>
>this hardware support superiority exist? CLEARLY NOT. I KNOW NO PROGRAMMER
>(caveat: as personal aquaintance) WHO PREFERS MS DEV. ENVIRONMENTS. Usless
>they use it exclusively, and are deathly afraid of Emacs. (poor lost
>souls....)
>
>Having spent a little time recently fixing a MS VisualStudio (C++) app for
a
>client, I can say,
>"God, I can't imagine someone who prefers this tool to gcc/gdb/emacs!!!"
>So yes, I've tried it & I'M KNOCKING IT. IT SUCKS.
>Please grow up as programmers, folks. Learn gnu software.
>
>OK -
>flame over. whew.
>
>Please forgive. I wish I didn't care so much about this issue. Really.
>
>CharlieB
>
>
>
>"Job M. van Zuijlen" wrote:
>
>> Hear, hear!
>>
>> Terry Cast wrote:
>> >
>> > And some people like Windows, for various reasons.
>> >
>> > jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>> >
>> > > Message written at 23 Apr 1999 13:25:11 +0100
>> > > --- Copy of mail to pipe@algonet.se ---
>> > >
>> > > Some people are constrained to run Windows. For example, our beloved
>> > > head of department has recently bought a number of PCs which are not
>> > > capable of running Linux, and we may be forced into using NT.
>> > > Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
>> > > MacOs 7 (and teh Atari seems to have died).
>> > >
>> > > ==John ffitch
>
>
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I don't get paid for this. I just think that this OS war thing is kind
of juvenile, doesn't accomplish anything and is actually OT, but who
cares. If someone finds a Linux version of 3D Studio Max or a similar
3D animation program, let me know.
nunativs wrote:
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> Mostly $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Job M. van Zuijlen
> To: Csound List
> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Winsound v. 3.53 ROCKS!!
>
> >Hear, hear!
> >
> >Terry Cast wrote:
> >>
> >> And some people like Windows, for various reasons.
> >>
> >> jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
> >>
> >> > Message written at 23 Apr 1999 13:25:11 +0100
> >> > --- Copy of mail to pipe@algonet.se ---
> >> >
> >> > Some people are constrained to run Windows. For example, our beloved
> >> > head of department has recently bought a number of PCs which are not
> >> > capable of running Linux, and we may be forced into using NT.
> >> > Personally I use SGI for choise, but also run Windows95, Linux and
> >> > MacOs 7 (and teh Atari seems to have died).
> >> >
> >> > ==John ffitch
> >
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Time wasted, I think. And what's so beautiful about it?
nunativs wrote:
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> Beautifull!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Charles for taking the time.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles Baker
> To: Csound List
> Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 11:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Winsound v. 3.53 ROCKS!!(GAG! SERIOUS FLAME!)
>
> >WARNING!!
> >*SERIOUS* FLAME ON:
> >Re: Windows
> >
> > [repeated heat removed]
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Is anyone making or selling new Amigas?
When was the last version updated?
Which OSs do they come with?
Which OSs will they run?
If you quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to mine.
Thanks.
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Ummmm I think ( possibly ) I've (& my coputerz ) have been hit or targeted...
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