| This topic, in one form or another, has been running around the Csound
list for quite a while. I have even had my own (mostly idle) thoughts
about revamping the code to meet modern needs.
I see two likely scenarios:
(1) Michael and or others with just go ahead and make changes, which may
all have great virtues, but there will then be a heated semi-political
debate over email about what the changes should be, what goes into the
canonical version, and who takes most responsibility for maintaining it;
or
(2) it is time we have a full International Csound Conference, perhaps
as part of ICMC 2000 (if it's in Europe, I have a batting chance of
attending it!), where everyone concerned with this issue can meet round
a table, complete with modern presentation tools, and a consensus can be
arrived at once and for all.
Thern we can really thrash out ~all~ the deep code issues that are being
discussed, be they plugins, multi-threading,re-entrancy, multi-processor
support, multiple-device support (for both WAVE and MIDI), support for
GUIs, and maybe even file formats.
I vote for (2)!
Richard Dobson
Michael Gogins wrote:
>
> I'm entirely sympathetic to your criticism that I'm trying to redesign the
> code, but (very painful and extensive) experience warns me that trying to
> make the code more truly platform-independent without redesigning it is not
> likely to work very well.
[etc]
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Instead of reimplementing everything from scratch you
may want to look at Craig Sapps excellent MIDI and Audio
I/O class library at www-ccrma.stanford.edu/~craig. Yes,
it is C++, but you can provide a C interface if you like.
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Richard Dobson wrote:
> (2) it is time we have a full International Csound Conference, perhaps
> as part of ICMC 2000 (if it's in Europe, I have a batting chance of
> attending it!), where everyone concerned with this issue can meet round
> a table, complete with modern presentation tools, and a consensus can b=
e
> arrived at once and for all.
> Thern we can really thrash out ~all~ the deep code issues that are bein=
g
> discussed, be they plugins, multi-threading,re-entrancy, multi-processo=
r
> support, multiple-device support (for both WAVE and MIDI), support for
> GUIs, and maybe even file formats.
What... wow, great! But a Csound Conference shouldn=B4t be focused excuss=
ively on
programmers. Csound is a tool for musicians... we shouldn=B4t forget that=
;-) -
With Csound programming, sound design, composition... all are artistic
disciplines with a common purpose IMHO.
--
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C/ Circumval.lacio 75 08790 Gelida - Penedes
Catalunya - SPAIN tel. 93 7792243
e-mail: gelida@intercom.es
ET Informatica de Sistemes
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I need to convert 48k DATs to 44.1k for CDR authoring. Can csound perform
such conversion? If so, has anyone experienced any quality problems with
the conversion in csound? I've been using Cool Edit for doing the
conversion, but it takes forever and a day to do it. I was hoping that
csound might be faster.
BTW: I'm digitally transferring the DATs via SPDIF into the computer and I
sure don't want to have to redigitize them to get 44.1k.
Thanks in advance,
Dustin Barlow
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im sorry if i lost a bit upstream on this thread..
(im also sorry for mixing metaphors)
> I'm entirely sympathetic to your criticism that I'm trying to redesign the
> code, but (very painful and extensive) experience warns me that trying to
> something else, such as an efficient implementation of SAOL, or a
i dont exactly what you are doing, but if its "slash and burn"
redesign of csound then why not focus energies on making SAOL?
(and why havent you quit your day job?)
-m
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I couldn't agree more; I'm mostly musician, partly a programmer, but I
suppose I fuss about programming more because I know that much less
about it. It would be great if we can all be there (wherever it is)
together. Time to put some faces to the names!
Richard Dobson
Josep M Comajuncosas wrote:
>=20
> Richard Dobson wrote:
>=20
> > (2) it is time we have a full International Csound Conference, perhap=
s
> > as part of ICMC 2000 (if it's in Europe, I have a batting chance of
> > attending it!), where everyone concerned with this issue can meet rou=
nd
> > a table, complete with modern presentation tools, and a consensus can=
be
> > arrived at once and for all.
> > Thern we can really thrash out ~all~ the deep code issues that are be=
ing
> > discussed, be they plugins, multi-threading,re-entrancy, multi-proces=
sor
> > support, multiple-device support (for both WAVE and MIDI), support fo=
r
> > GUIs, and maybe even file formats.
>=20
> What... wow, great! But a Csound Conference shouldn=B4t be focused excu=
ssively on
> programmers. Csound is a tool for musicians... we shouldn=B4t forget th=
at ;-) -
> With Csound programming, sound design, composition... all are artistic
> disciplines with a common purpose IMHO.
>=20
> --
> Josep M Comajuncosas
> C/ Circumval.lacio 75 08790 Gelida - Penedes
> Catalunya - SPAIN tel. 93 7792243
> e-mail: gelida@intercom.es
> ET Informatica de Sistemes
> e-mail: jcomajuncosas@campus.uoc.es
> http://members.tripod.com/csound/
--=20
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Just wanted to let you know that I finally got the unnoficial Linux Csound
compiled and running. I had a few little problems, but was able to work
around them. It seems that the code comes with a config.cache with it, so
./configure doesn't search for all your paramaters. I just deleted that
and manually configured the Make.Variables to my liking.
There seem to be a few files written in C++ that use g++. I couldn't find
where to specify which C++ compiler to used. When g++ saw my CFLAGS I set
for pgcc it croaked, so I just when into the Make.Variables and took out
the special flags. Next time I compile (to add ALSA support) I'd like to
set it to use pg++. Where would I set that?
One last thing. I've been using a simple .orc to run with midi input:
instr 1
ichnl = 1
inum notnum
kfreq cpsmidib
iamp ampmidi inum*100
asig oscil iamp,kfreq,1
out asig
endin
I seem to have two problems. First I can't set the bend range to over 2
semitones. I looked through the Csound Manual and tried to use the
bendrange opcodes, but they didn't seem to work.
Also, the sound is really crackly. Every note on/off has that record pop
sound going on. When I play numerous notes at the same time, it also gives
me a nasty digital distortion. I think it's just overloading my
soundcard's output, since I can turn the sound down in aumix and the
distortion vanishes. The note on pop remains though.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions,
Jason
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Hello.
As lowest priority task I'm traslating Csound messages in italian, so if
anyone wants to do the same he/she could start from my partial
translation and save time.
Umberto
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This isn't very csound specific, but I think that some of you may make
use of it.
I have a couple of utilities that allow automatic import and export to/from
a SLab song database. SLab is a robust multitracking program for Linux.
I wanted to be able to go:
slabout | csound_filter | slabin
They are at http://tobiah.rcsreg.com/pub
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Thanks for the tip. I was not able to download the Windows archive for sig,
but I will email the author and try again.
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>
>Instead of reimplementing everything from scratch you
>may want to look at Craig Sapps excellent MIDI and Audio
>I/O class library at www-ccrma.stanford.edu/~craig. Yes,
>it is C++, but you can provide a C interface if you like.
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Good questions all.
As far as I can tell, writing a compiler is harder than hacking Csound, so
that's why I don't write SAOL myself - plus, I like all the extant Csound
orcs that I'd lose or have to port if I committed to SAOL.
The day job? I'm married.
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To: Michael Gogins
Cc: Csound Mail
Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: compiling Linux Csound (official)
>
>im sorry if i lost a bit upstream on this thread..
>(im also sorry for mixing metaphors)
>
>> I'm entirely sympathetic to your criticism that I'm trying to redesign
the
>> code, but (very painful and extensive) experience warns me that trying to
>
>> something else, such as an efficient implementation of SAOL, or a
>
>i dont exactly what you are doing, but if its "slash and burn"
>redesign of csound then why not focus energies on making SAOL?
> (and why havent you quit your day job?)
>
>-m
>
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From: Jari Jokinen
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Subject: FM with feedback loop?
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:52:47 +0300
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Hello!
I am new to Csound and I have tried to make a FM algorithm with feedback
loop. Since there is a DX7 emulator for Csound, I would assume this is
possible. However, with Visual Orchestra I get "Error: This would cause
recursion (feedback loop)". The built in 2 osc and 4 osc FM opcodes don't
seem to have feedback. Can anyone recommend a more suitable front end or
help otherwise? TIA.
Jari Jokinen
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