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Re: Dual or more Pentium's

Date1998-04-14 14:04
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectRe: Dual or more Pentium's
I think you must be referring to the Concurrent Csound project, based at
Durham University under Peter Manning, which (as I recall) developed two
systems - the larger one used an array of some 160 transputers, and the
smaller still did quite a lot with a mere three. However, my information
on this is very old, and much may have changed in the meantime. I do not
have any active URL references - sorry.


Richard Dobson

Riccardo Bianchini wrote:

> I remember a parallelized version of Csound implemented for the Inmos
> Transputer (in Occam languege, I think). Anyone knows abolut it? Could
> be a starting point.
>
> Riccardo
> --
>






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From: Richard Karpen 
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> e.g. generate polymorphically perverse polyrhythms, generating complex
> structures out of a few `cells' , reinvent the hemiola, allow for multiple
> meters in the same score, without requiring multiple compilations 
> -- help!, this starts to sound like we finally would be able to actually 
> COMPOSE something with this stuff!

Try Rick Taube's Common Music. It's a Lisp based score language that can
output Csound scorefiles as well as many other formats. It's GREAT!

Richard Karpen





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Subject: Re: SMP/ Down to Earth
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-----Original Message-----
From: Drew Skyfyre 
To: Contribute 
Date: Tuesday, April 14, 1998 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: SMP/ Down to Earth


>>>One word Ken : Kyma !
>>
>>
>>msp + max + makintosh
>Point taken.
>
>While we're at it -> G3 + IDE drive =poop
>
No! No! Windows, and I want to put it together myself.  I could buy
some land for the price of Kyma, and I'm not switching operating systems
now, life is too short, I need time to go outside and play with the real
fractals.
    I'm wondering 'cause the Saol people are saying we will run Saol in real
time with graphics and animation over the net!?
Ken-nunativ




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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:25:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: Micheal Allen Thompson 
To: Michael Coble 
Cc: Csound@maths.ex.ac.uk
Subject: Re: SMP
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yes true...

I did not write this... I posted, with my email, the source 
of this information....

Michael
On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Michael Coble
wrote:

> Michael A. Thompson wrote:
> > 
> > Yet another gross oversimplification and a misleading statement often
> > expressed by reporters who have very little or no understanding of
> > what
> > multiprocessing is,
> >          and what are the bottlenecks in a computer system with more
> > than one CPU.
> 
> 	Well, I'm sure that someone out there really wants a dual processor pentium
> pro because it sounds like it goes to 11...Spinal Tap reference:)  Anyway, in
> the commercial world, there is plenty of reason to own a multi-processor
> machine, but often that is done to efficiently run applications that take
> advantage of multi-processors.  At work, for example we have several Sun 4000e
> servers which run applications like Sybase over Sun Solaris 2.6.  Sybase is a
> very sophisticated application that allows individual processors to be used
> for different things.  This is very handy in enterprise computing.  By the
> same token, a great deal of our web stuff is done in perl5, and having 8
> processors means that a single webserver can fork off dozens of simultaneous
> perl5 processes without grinding the machine to a halt.  It should be noted
> that in the Sybase instance, the same application runs on different
> processors, whereas each perl5 process is dedicated to one processor in the
> second.  In the long run, I don't believe that the PC is the target audience
> for most MP applications...But I'm sure there are plenty of NT enthusists out
> there just dying to tell me how ready Windows NT is to take on Sun Solaris:)
> 
> [snip]
> 
> -- 
> Michael Coble, Time Inc. New Media, Pathfinder
> Music:   http://pathfinder.com/pathfinder/staff/mcoble/music/
> Gallery: http://www.panix.com/~coble,  representing various artists
> Hitman:  http://pathfinder.com/pathfinder/staff/mcoble/
> Work:    http://pathfinder.com/
> 
> 




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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:22:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Micheal Allen Thompson 
To: Charles Baker 
Cc: csound mailing list 
Subject: Re: Dual or more Pentium's
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On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Charles Baker wrote:

> About processor/performance ratios:
> 
> I was told that the performance increase in the SGI O2 line
> 
> was attributable not so much to processor improvements, but to
> 
> a radical new board design that kept the memory/processing
> 
> for a great many system components (video, sound, co-processors,
> 
> etc.) on the main board, using some sort of unified memory space,
> 
> thus reducing/eliminating a great many 'bus' accesses and even
> 
> reducing the time lost in moving data around between different
> 
> on-board components...(those in the know, is this an accurate
> 
> picture?)
yes....

> 
> I remember J. Piche posting an impressive message about a
> 
> substantial increase in the number of oscillators the (then)
> 
> new O2 could do... perhaps it was due to this new OS design
> 
> approach, rather than processor 'MIPS'?
yes nad the O2 will never be a multiprocessor box anyway... so the
andvancements were in the memory arch and OS design. I say were cause the
O2 is an old (by computer terms) machine. 

Michael
 




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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:26:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: Micheal Allen Thompson 
To: Ken Locarnini 
Cc: Michael Coble , Csound@maths.ex.ac.uk
Subject: Re: SMP/ Down to Earth
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On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Ken Locarnini wrote:

> 
> >
> > Well, I'm sure that someone out there really wants a dual processor
> pentium
> >pro because it sounds like it goes to 11...Spinal Tap reference:)
> 
>  Personally I just want to run 5-10 nice instruments with some sampled
> percussion with effects in realtime and with midi control.  Since I only
> have a Pentium 200 MMX and a Soundblaster which offers nothing for helping
> audio, I'm curious as to how much computor one needs since you all have
> access to university stuff.  

I dont use the University stuff and own my own studio...


>Sorry to clog up the list but I think Dustin
> started this......
> Ken
> 
Michael






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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:32:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: Micheal Allen Thompson 
To: Richard Karpen 
Cc: Hans Pelleboer , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Repeat? What about loops?
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Or write your own score maker app in C, C++, basic, Visual Basic, Perl,
Java, shell script , etc.....

Michael

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Richard Karpen wrote:

> 
> 
> > e.g. generate polymorphically perverse polyrhythms, generating complex
> > structures out of a few `cells' , reinvent the hemiola, allow for multiple
> > meters in the same score, without requiring multiple compilations 
> > -- help!, this starts to sound like we finally would be able to actually 
> > COMPOSE something with this stuff!
> 
> Try Rick Taube's Common Music. It's a Lisp based score language that can
> output Csound scorefiles as well as many other formats. It's GREAT!
> 
> Richard Karpen
> 
> 
> 




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ok, this is an issue that specifically affects musical composers and
performers in the U.S. but it is not the only intellectual property front
under attack there or elsewhere. so the rest of you who do have rights
better glue your eyeballs to the rear view mirror.

i'm calling my US senators right now. suggest that those who can, do the same.

tolve


>From Artswire...

BILL THAT COULD DEPRIVE SONGWRITERS OF ROYALTIES PASSES HOUSE

WASHINGTON, DC -- On March 25, the House passed what
Representative Sensenbrenner (R-WI) called his "Fairness in Music
Licensing Act" as an amendment to the Copyright Extension Act.
According to ARTS ON THE LINE, the act would end most rights of
composers and songwriters to collect royalty payments from those
who use their music to enhance their business atmosphere.

"It is particularly contradictory and ironic that this rule will
attach and permit attachment to this protection of intellectual
property, what many people have come to call the Music Theft Act,"
Arts on the Line quotes Representative Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) as
saying. Doggett noted that the measure "has nothing to do with
copyright extension, but is being attached to the most convenient
vehicle to steal the intellectual property of thousands of small
businesspeople who are song writers in this land."

Arts on the Line reports that for years restaurants, hotels, bars,
and other businesses who use their music to enhance their business
atmosphere have been complaining about license fees in order to
end most rights of composers and songwriters to collect royalty
payments.  Congress required that these businesses and the
licensing agencies such as ASCAP and BMI negotiate a new
arrangement. In the end the music representatives were able to
reach agreement with representatives of the beverage industry, but
talks broke down with the restaurants and hotel industries.

"The feeling of the songwriters was that the powerful
hotel/restaurant lobby became unwilling to negotiate a compromise
when powerful friends in congress were willing to legislate a FULL
victory for their business friends," Richard Finkelstein writes in
Arts on the Line.

Arts on the Line explains that although in the debate, music
licensing fees were disturbingly characterized as government
taxes imposed on small business, "This is just not true at any
level at all. In fact songwriters constitute the SMALLEST of
businesses and their royalties are no different in concept than
those collected by others such as Newt Gingrich, when writing
books....Most songwriters earn $10,000 a year or less and the
average fees paid by businesses licensing music amount to $1.58 a
day."

Representative Doggett pointed out, according to Arts on the
Line, that the songwriter's property "is just that; it is property
every bit as real as a trade name, every bit as real as the script
for a movie or for a new book, every bit as real as a new phone
system or a copying machine. Music is the property of the
songwriter who created it.  And when music helps attract people to
a restaurant, and that is what this is all about is the desire of
the National Restaurant Association to take someone else's
property for free, they may not offer any free lunch around
America but they are willing to take for free the property of
someone else to help them promote their profits in the
restaurants."

Representative Clement (D-TN) stated that the Sensenbrenner
amendment would be devastating to our Nation's song writers.
"Rather than deny their right to make a living, he said, "Congress
should recognize the importance and significance of these gifted
and talented individuals."

"Mr. Chairman, I love restaurant owners. I have plenty of them in
my district. But they are not entitled to the free use of other
people's property. Period, said Representative Nadler, (D-NY)
according to Arts on the Line.

"You had all heard the refrain (to use a songwriting term) from
Congressional debate on the NEA: 'If the arts are so good let them
prove themselves on the free marketplace', Richard Finkelstein
writes in Arts on the Line.  "Unfortunately the same Congressmen
who say this when convenient, try whenever possible to LIMIT
ACCESS to the free market for these very artists......The same
Representatives that cry the shrillest for 'property rights' no
longer seem to care when those rights extend to artists."

The recorded vote on the amendment was ayes 297, noes 112, not
voting 22. The bill will now move to The Senate. "Please let your
Senators know how you feel on this issue," Finkelstein says.

Source:

Richard S. Finkelstein, ARTS ON THE LINE
(arts-alert-usa) ---
http://spot.colorado.edu/~finkelst/aotl.htm
The full debate text is available at
http://spot.colorado.edu/~finkelst/copyrt.htm





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At 10:32 AM 4/14/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Or write your own score maker app in C, C++, basic, Visual Basic, Perl,
>Java, shell script , etc.....

Or even Forth!

Steve C

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hello,

where can i find the following tools?

hetro
lpanal
pvanal
cvanal
sndinfo
mixer
scale
mkgraph
envext
xtrctor
scsort

Und Tsch=FCss
Jens Reimer

Email:
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Hi all,
If anyone's still interested in benchmark thingies,I just got this from 
Mac News Wire:

"If you want a more detailed comparison including all the Pentiums, Alphas
and all PowerPCs please visit <:  (you'll find a
bunch of other benchmarks too, and specs of Macs and clones.)"

BTW,Mac News Wire is a great way to keep in touch with major developments 
in the Mac world.
Just a few (@4 to 7) messages daily.To subscribe: 
subject=subscribe MacNews

Later.



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>"If you want a more detailed comparison including all the Pentiums, Alphas
>and all PowerPCs please visit <:  (you'll find a
>bunch of other benchmarks too, and specs of Macs and clones.)"


http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21021%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.fs.

humanzsukc


>BTW,Mac News Wire is a great way to keep in touch with major developments
>in the Mac world.
>Just a few (@4 to 7) messages daily.To subscribe:
>subject=subscribe MacNews

purposz egal zero . humanzsukc .





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>Try Rick Taube's Common Music. It's a Lisp based score language that can
>output Csound scorefiles as well as many other formats. It's GREAT!

Something else, extremely powerful (LISP programmable if you need),with a 
GUI (easy-to-use,I might add) : IRCAM's PatchWork.Comes with a library 
called 'Csound Edit Sco' that enables PatchWork-to-Csound communication 
with little pain.Write Csound scores graphically ! 
Check it out at (English version).It's GREAT too :-)

Later.



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>http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21021%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.fs.
>
>humanzsukc
>
>purposz egal zero . humanzsukc .
>
Bleep boing bloop! 

The entity "=cw4t7abs" that inhabits our plane ; am I the only one that 
has not a clue in what tongue  it speaks ?



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Drew Skyfyre wrote:
> 
> >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21021%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.fs.
> >
> >humanzsukc
> >
> >purposz egal zero . humanzsukc .
> >
> Bleep boing bloop!
> 
> The entity "=cw4t7abs" that inhabits our plane ; am I the only one that
> has not a clue in what tongue  it speaks ?

You're not the only one. My guess is that it's some kid pretending to be
a robot :-)

I guess it's best to just try not to let it bother you :-)

Larry
 

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Jens Reimer wrote:
> 
> where can i find the following tools?

Same place as you found Csound.
ftp://ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk/pub/dream/
ftp://ftp.musique.umontreal.ca/pub/mirrors/dream
get file newest/csound_new.zip

You're on Windows 95, not? If you have winsound
the utilities are built in. There are dialog boxes to use
them. If you have Csound for DOS, I still think they are
built in. Use
    csound -U [utility]
from the command line.

You need the manual too, if you don't have it. HTML here:
    ftp://ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk/pub/dream/documentation/manuals/
or  ftp://ftp.musique.umontreal.ca/pub/
get file CsManual3.47b2.zip 
or Win help file:
    http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Csound.htm

hth,

	re



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I am happy to announce a new version of GrainWave for those of you who use
Mac PPC's.  Among other new features, it now has a text-based instrument
definition language.  You can check it out at:

http://www.nmol.com/users/mikeb/grainw.htm

	GrainWave is a real-time software synthesis and DSP engine for PowerMacs.  It
has an open architecture and very small output latencies (~10 ms).  It can run
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from them.  It can also process your computer's real-time audio input. 
GrainWave does not require any specialized audio hardware.
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This plane is your plane, this plane is my plane . . . and from an
idealist's dream take-off this plane is fast crashing under the weight of
market-share over progress, as the link below (not mention many recent
discussions) indicates.
Listen to =cw4t7abs. It speaks a dark music.

Drew Skyfyre wrote:

> >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21021%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.fs.
> >
> >humanzsukc
> >
> >purposz egal zero . humanzsukc .
> >
> Bleep boing bloop!
>
> The entity "=cw4t7abs" that inhabits our plane ; am I the only one that
> has not a clue in what tongue  it speaks ?

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This plane is your plane, this plane is my plane . . . and from an
idealist's dream take-off this plane is fast crashing under the weight of
market-share over progress, as the link below (not mention many recent
discussions) indicates.
Listen to =cw4t7abs. It speaks a dark music.

Drew Skyfyre wrote:

> >http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C21021%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.fs.
> >
> >humanzsukc
> >
> >purposz egal zero . humanzsukc .
> >
> Bleep boing bloop!
>
> The entity "=cw4t7abs" that inhabits our plane ; am I the only one that
> has not a clue in what tongue  it speaks ?

--
Carlton Joseph Wilkinson
http://excaliber.net/alex/wilkwrks.htm




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my apologies to all for the duplication of my last email. machine error
. . .
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Carlton Joseph Wilkinson
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>This plane is your plane, a dark music.


dze qwerty key layout = des!gnd 2 slo down typ!stz
+ thuz 2 prevent jamupz
!t !z 1 lo kal!br !ntellektual offer!ng .
1 unl!kel+e kand!date 2 ach!ev permanent orb!t.
d!sz rat!onal haz long s!ns faded + far bettr alternat!vz r now ava!labl
but qwerty showz no s!gn ov d!ss apear!ng. !t !z !feaz!bl 2 !mprov
dze layout a few keyz at 1 t!me +
2 d!srupt!v 2 change !t enter!l+e az dze dvorak layout haz.

!t = 2late 2change operat!ng z!stemz

humanz do !possez 1 delete key
= !mposs!bl 2 bo!kot dze memor+e module
rezultat = fuel 4 1 konztant state ov m!kroschaft.!ntel.amer!-kan progresz

s!mulatd aneal!ng.2 sav dze appearansz ov soc!al phenomena
potent!all+e d!spozabl _- human m9nd konta!nrz kannot funkt!on w!th out
1konstant.
end ov err.or.



bench.markc.humanz

volume ov br2!n:
1350 kub!k cent!meterz
w8 ov br2!n:
1400 gr2mz
w8 ov prote!nz !n br2!n:
100 gr2mz
w8 ov 1 r!bozome:
3 kz 10^6 amu
*w8 ov 1 rep2!r m2ch!ne:
10^9 |2| 10^10 amu
*lengd ov 1 rep2!r m2ch!ne arm:
100 n2nometerz
w8 ov w2tr !n br2!n:
1100 gr2mz
w8 ov prote!n !n br2!n:
100 gr2mz
w8 ov l!p!dz !n br2!n:
175 gr2mz
w8 ov  oder zol!dz":
35 gr2mz
w8 ov  t+ep!k2l <\quote> prote!n:
50,000 amu
w8 ov  t+ep!k2l <\quote> l!p!d:
500 amu
w8 ov w2tr molekule:
18 amu
w8 ov k2rbon a|2|m:
12 amu
dnz!t+e ov k2rbon (d!2mond):
3.51 gr2mz\kub!k cent!metr
number ov prote!nz !n br2!n:
1.2 kz 10^21
number ov l!p!d molekulz !n br2!n:
2 kz 10^23
number ov w2tr molekulz !n br2!n:
4 kz 10^25
t!me |2| z+endez!ze 1 prote!n:
10 zekondz
*t!me |2| rep2!r 1 prote!n molekule:
100 zekondz
*t!me |2| rep2!r 1 l!p!d molekule:
1 zekond
*t!me |2| rep2!r all br2!n m2kromolekulz:
3.2 kz 10^23 rep2!r.m2ch!ne zekondz
*number ov rep2!r m2ch!nz |2| rep2!r all br2!n molekulz !n 3 ye2rz:
3.2 kz 10^15 rep2!r m2ch!nz
*w8 ov dz2t m2n+e rep2!r dv!sz.z:
53 |2| 530 gr2mz
number ov b!tz needd |2| z|2|re dze molekul2r ztrukture ov dze br2!n:
10^25 b!tz
*energ+e d!sz!p2td by 1 z!ngle  rod log!k <\quote> (g2te) oper2t!on
(!nklud!ng 1 few percent ov !rreverz!bl oper2t!onz):
10^-22 joulz
*zpeed ov 1 z!ngle  rod log!k <\quote> (g2te) oper2t!on:
100 kz 10^-12 zekondz
*z!ze ov 1 z!ngle  lokc <\quote> (g2te) pluz overhe2d (powr etk.):
100 kub!k n2nometerz
chem!k2l energ+e z|2|rd !n dze ztrukture ov dze br2!n:
8 kz 10^6 joulz (2,000 k!lok2lor!ez)


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