| jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
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> Nothing was removed that I know of. rnd and birnd still exist and are
> i-rate random numbers in range (o,x) and (-x,x) or I thought [0,x) and
> (-x,x)
> Are you saying that they do not work?
> ==John ffitch
The instruments that I had previously designed on a Windows machine
running the DOS build have been causing a "no legal opcode" error since
about version 3.476. I haven't found anyone else who has used this opcode
at any time or who is even aware of its existence, and there is no mention
of the opcode in any version of the manual. The only mention of the
opcode is in the 3.47 release notes, so I assumed that the opcode was
eliminated.
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> Message written at 27 Oct 1998 21:58:28 +0000
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> Nothing was removed that I know of. rnd and birnd still exist and are
> i-rate random numbers in range (o,x) and (-x,x) or I thought [0,x) and
> (-x,x)
> Are you saying that they do not work?
> ==John ffitch
The instruments that I had previously designed on a Windows machine
running the DOS build have been causing a "no legal opcode" error since
about version 3.476. I haven't found anyone else who has used this opcode
at any time or who is even aware of its existence, and there is no mention
of the opcode in any version of the manual. The only mention of the
opcode is in the 3.47 release notes, so I assumed that the opcode was
eliminated.
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Your orchestra works fine in 3.485 too. Sounds great, congratulations too. I
try it in a PPC 6400/200 without any problem. Your instr. is really cool.
====================
James Correa
Composer
====================
----------
>From: Josep M Comajuncosas
>To: Scott Lindroth
>Subject: Re: question about mac v3.48-9
>Date: Wed, Oct 28, 1998, 9:50 AM
>
>Your orchestra works fine in 3.49. The problem was in 3.48, as they were
some
>unexpected bugs in most of the filter opcodes. They were fixed again in
3.485 I
>thing.
>And it sounds cool, congratulations! I like that pandiatonic chord... a
great idea.
>You should post more similar stuff to the list.
>
>Josep M Comajuncosas
>
>
>Scott Lindroth wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have an instrument which worked fine in version 3.47 but has problems
>> in 3.48 and later versions.
>>
>> The instrument is a vocoder using a bank of "butterbp" filters to analyze
>> a sampled soundfile. I use "rms" to get the power of each band and use
>> this to scale the amplitudes of a bank of sine tone oscillators. The
input
>> soundfile is 46 seconds of a normal speaking voice (...)
>
>
>
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To: 'Scotty.Vercoe@analog.com'
Subject: XTCsound confusion...
I'm asking this in public because I can't imagine I'm the only
person who is confused by all of this.
Having spent the summer learning bits of CSound and playing with
various software synths I have come to the conclusion I need hardware
support for my synthesis to get the sounds I want in real time. It was
with great excitment that I discovered the XTCSound board. Now I
have read about something called the Pulsar that is based in the same
SHARC chips from Analog that CSound is. The pulsar also fulfills
many of my hardware requirements.
My real question is this does XTCSound run on the SHARC chip ie.
can I buy the pulsar and run XTCSound or is it specific to the Analog
board.
mark
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If you have a copy of and orch/sco which fails I would like to see it
as it is supposed to work! With an example I might be able to
investigate.
==John
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>Robert Tucker wrote:
>>
>> Any thoughts on what might be causing this? Am I just expecting too
>> much?
When I first got my computer it worked great. Then months later I tried it
again and got a pulsing sound, like it was generating a section of sound and
then ouputing it rather then double buffering it. I turned off full-duplex
mode on the sound cards configuration and that solved the problem. Go to
settings/control panel/system/device manager/sounds/Creative AWE 64
audio/settings and take the check out of allow full duplex. This is for
Win95.
Good luck,
Hans Mikelson
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From: Anders Andersson
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>Does anyone have any advice? Is there a way of modulating the phase of
>an oscillator in Csound, as opposed to the frequency? This would
>probably solve the problem, but I am not sure what unit generator to
>use. As it stands, it definitely sounds like there is no real
>through-zero FM happening, as in the Yamaha FM implementation. The
>pitch ends up going down to zero, and then just stopping (i.e. silence),
>before reappearing in some totally weird place.
Well, maybe if you use the phasor and table opcode:
;--------
ihz=440
aphase phasor ihz
asine1 table aphase, 1
asine2 oscil 1, ihz, 1
;--------
Now, asine1 = asine2, but in the first pair, you can
insert some code between the phasor and table to actually
modulate the phase, before reading the sine-table.
.--- -- - -
| Anders "Pipe/Nature" Andersson, pipe@algonet.se
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My orch:
sr=44100
kr=4410
ksmps=10
nchnls=1
instr 1
idur = p3
iamp = p4
icpm = p5
index = 3
idev = index*icpm
irad1 irnd (1)
irad2 irnd (1)
iofst ibirnd (.005)
ifrda irnd (3)
ifrd1 = int (ifrda+1)
icps = int (icpm)
kcenv envlpx iamp, .01, idur, idur*.03, 5, .5, .01
amodo oscili idev, icps*(3+iofst), ifrd1, irad1
amod oscili idev, icps*3 , ifrd1, irad1
acar oscili kcenv, icps+amod+amodo, 1, irad2
amod2 oscili idev, icps*1.5 , ifrd1, irad1
acar2 oscili kcenv, icps*.5+amod, 1, irad2
afilt butterhp acar, icps
outs afilt+(acar2*.3), afilt+(acar2*.3)
endin
My score: (for testing)
f1 0 8192 10 1
i1 0 10 20000 220
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My orch:
sr=44100
kr=4410
ksmps=10
nchnls=1
instr 1
idur = p3
iamp = p4
icpm = p5
index = 3
idev = index*icpm
irad1 irnd (1)
irad2 irnd (1)
iofst ibirnd (.005)
ifrda irnd (3)
ifrd1 = int (ifrda+1)
icps = int (icpm)
kcenv envlpx iamp, .01, idur, idur*.03, 5, .5, .01
amodo oscili idev, icps*(3+iofst), ifrd1, irad1
amod oscili idev, icps*3 , ifrd1, irad1
acar oscili kcenv, icps+amod+amodo, 1, irad2
amod2 oscili idev, icps*1.5 , ifrd1, irad1
acar2 oscili kcenv, icps*.5+amod, 1, irad2
afilt butterhp acar, icps
outs afilt+(acar2*.3), afilt+(acar2*.3)
endin
My score: (for testing)
f1 0 8192 10 1
i1 0 10 20000 220
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Just in case Scotty is busy...
The Pulsar does not include Extended Csound; Creamware has its own
software synthesis engines - the main one in fact runs on the 15-SHARC
SCOPE system (scripting-language based, 'Java-like'). Extended Csound on
The ADI board is still (subject to any updates I haven't had yet!)
non-re-entrant, and (also subject to...) unable to stream audio
full-duplex between the host and the card (or, at least, we don't yet
have documented APIs to do that..), which may limit its appeal to
companies such as Creamware. However, the Director of Creamware, Frank
Hund, who is a very approachable guy indeed, expressed plenty of
enthusiasm for the idea of implementing the public Csound on PULSAR, and
would happily support any initiative to do so. Quite what ADI would feel
about that I don't know - Creamware will be selling SHARC systems, which
is what ADI want, of course, but ADI might be miffed at a rival Csound
implementation on the SHARC, notwithstanding the fact that it couldn't
have the proprietary ADI extensions.
Incidentally, Frank Hund has publicly indicated (on the pulsar-dsp list
- don't get too excited - that's dsp as in Yamaha DSP-Factory) that
Creamware will in time develop PULSAR drivers for both Linux and BeOS,
something that I am sure will make a lot of people very happy indeed!
Richard Dobson
mark wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark [mailto:mark.williamson@dial.pipex.com]
> Sent: 28 October 1998 11:58
> To: 'Scotty.Vercoe@analog.com'
> Subject: XTCsound confusion...
>
> I'm asking this in public because I can't imagine I'm the only
> person who is confused by all of this.
>
> Having spent the summer learning bits of CSound and playing with
> various software synths I have come to the conclusion I need hardware
> support for my synthesis to get the sounds I want in real time. It was
> with great excitment that I discovered the XTCSound board. Now I
> have read about something called the Pulsar that is based in the same
> SHARC chips from Analog that CSound is. The pulsar also fulfills
> many of my hardware requirements.
>
> My real question is this does XTCSound run on the SHARC chip ie.
> can I buy the pulsar and run XTCSound or is it specific to the Analog
> board.
>
> mark
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From: "Vercoe, Scotty"
To: mark
Cc: CSOUND
Subject: RE: XTCsound confusion...
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:49:05 -0500
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Hi Mark,
Perhaps I should have cleared this up earlier...
The Pulsar system does use the SHARC, but it has not been configured for
use with Analog's XTCsound. XTCsound has certain memory and other
hardware requirements, but we have not yet analyzed the Pulsar to see if
it could run XTCsound. Their software has been developed completely
independently of Csound and XTCsound. Our board has been developed
primarily as a development platform for customers to prototype products
and developers to create XTCsound instruments. We are not marketing
this board to consumers.
An additional note: Creamware has not purchased SHARCs through the SST
division where XTCsound resides. If they wanted to run XTCsound on
their board, they would have to do so. The Software and Systems
Technology division adds value and demand for ADI's chips by creating
hardware/software solutions for customers. XTCsound is one such
solution, useful for the effects processor, digital mixing console,
synthesizer, hard-disk recorder, karaoke and sound card markets.
Customers wanting to use SST solutions simply place chip orders through
our division.
Thanks,
Scotty Vercoe
XTCsound Applications Consultant
Analog Devices Software & Systems Technology Division
Tel: (781) 461-3569 FAX: (781) 461-4291
Support: Csound.support@analog.com
Website: http://www.analog.com/support/systems/audio/csound.html
> ----------
> From: mark[SMTP:mark.williamson@dial.pipex.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 1998 6:57 AM
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> Cc: Vercoe, Scotty
> Subject: XTCsound confusion...
>
> I'm asking this in public because I can't imagine I'm the only
> person who is confused by all of this.
>
> Having spent the summer learning bits of CSound and playing with
> various software synths I have come to the conclusion I need hardware
> support for my synthesis to get the sounds I want in real time. It was
>
> with great excitment that I discovered the XTCSound board. Now I
> have read about something called the Pulsar that is based in the same
> SHARC chips from Analog that CSound is. The pulsar also fulfills
> many of my hardware requirements.
>
> My real question is this does XTCSound run on the SHARC chip ie.
> can I buy the pulsar and run XTCSound or is it specific to the Analog
> board.
>
> mark
>
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 01:23:32 +0100 (ROM )
From: Nicola Bernardini
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Subject: [CUD] csound 3.49.0c linux distribution available
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The csound version 3.49 (release 0c of the CVS repository) distribution
for linux is available at the usual places, including the AIMI site at:
ftp://musart.dist.unige.it/CSOUND/
in three usual distribution forms (binaries, no X11, sources).
The 3.49.0b just released had properly built binaries but a diminished
source distribution which would not compile properly under certain conditions.
This should now be fixed (I hope).
I am really sorry for the inconvenience, and I thank Jaroslav Kysela
for reporting the bug...
Nicola
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Since the subject has come up now, who *will* be marketing XTCsound
cards to
consumers (or regular Csounders)? I would be interested in a higher end
sound card with real real-time Csound capability, but until now not much
is
going on. This includes Pavo. I was quite excited about them five
months ago,
but I didn't get any concrete information beyond what's on their Web
page.
I've thought about buying Analog' development kit, but I'm not sure I'm
in their
market segment...
Job van Zuijlen
zuijlen@ibm.net
Vercoe, Scotty wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
> Perhaps I should have cleared this up earlier...
>
> The Pulsar system does use the SHARC, but it has not been configured for
> use with Analog's XTCsound. XTCsound has certain memory and other
> hardware requirements, but we have not yet analyzed the Pulsar to see if
> it could run XTCsound. Their software has been developed completely
> independently of Csound and XTCsound. Our board has been developed
> primarily as a development platform for customers to prototype products
> and developers to create XTCsound instruments. We are not marketing
> this board to consumers.
>
[snip]
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The snappy answer to this is: any manufacturer who takes up the design.
I don't know if any such manufacturers are in the pipeline (there are
some fairly obvious candidates, of course), but any that are will be
keeping very quiet about it.
It seems to me the best trick is to email manufacturers, either directly
or through user forums, to hint gracefully that having XTCsound
available on a soundcard might be a good idea. Csound is still seen as a
somewhat 'techy' and esoteric program by the great majority of home
studio composers doin' drum'n bass, or whatever, so that the perceived
level of demand may not be that great, from a manufactururs point of
view. It is as much up to us to change that percetion, as up to ADI
themselves, who, we may be sure, are working on manufacturers
assiduously behind the scenes!
Richard Dobson
Job van Zuijlen wrote:
>
> Since the subject has come up now, who *will* be marketing XTCsound
> cards to
> consumers (or regular Csounders)? I would be interested in a higher end
> sound card with real real-time Csound capability, but until now not much
> is
> going on. This includes Pavo. I was quite excited about them five
> months ago,
> but I didn't get any concrete information beyond what's on their Web
> page.
> I've thought about buying Analog' development kit, but I'm not sure I'm
> in their
> market segment...
>
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Message written at 29 Oct 1998 10:27:13 +0000
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OK That is easy!
irnd and ibirnd where renamed to avoid name-space polution, and they
are expected to be used as functions. So your orchestra shoudl read
instr 1
idur = p3
iamp = p4
icpm = p5
index = 3
idev = index*icpm
irad1 = rnd (1)
irad2 = rnd (1)
iofst = birnd (.005)
ifrda = rnd (3)
ifrd1 = int (ifrda+1)
icps = int (icpm)
....
I think you can use rnd/birnd as opcodes but without the initial i.
Internally this is inserted.
==John ffitch
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From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
Subject: Re: csound 3.49.0b linux distribution available
To: csound-unix-dev@ilogic.com.au,
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(ROM ))
References:
I found this somewhat confusing:
> This release incorporates all 3.49 enhancements, plus the complete set
> of the Maldonado opcodes, ALSA driver handling, and all other additions
> from the past.
That implies multiple occurances of some opcodes, incorporation of
some with errors etc. Perhaps i will have to produce my own Linux
system.
==John ffitch |