Re: soundout

Date	1999-04-05 15:18
From	jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
Subject	Re: soundout
	Message written at 05 Apr 1999 18:44:41 +0530 --- Copy of mail to Christopher.Neese@oberlin.edu --- The code for writing WAv and AIFF files is present in teh function. At present I cannot se where it does the finalisaton, closing and writing headers, but I suspect it is supposed to be able to write other than raw files. I think this code was last worked over my matt ingals, who might understand it better than I do. ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18131; 5 Apr 99 15:19 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UAE9-0003RZ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:19:49 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA01477); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:18:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:18:24 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA03198); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:18:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UACi-0000ra-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:18:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 99 15:18:19 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: fmb3 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 05 Apr 1999 16:44:58 +0530 I have been revisiting this opcode, and I think I may have discovered a minir problem in it (and all the other fm opcodes). However I thought I would ask if anyone has used fmb3 and noticed any problems. I think that the sounds would have started with aritrary phase as I cannot find where that variable is initialised. ==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18247; 5 Apr 99 16:12 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UB36-0000t5-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:12:28 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA06428); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:11:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:10:56 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA10856); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:10:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp01-15.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.15]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24145 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:10:51 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <3708D457.9BA55A7@agora.stm.it> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:18:47 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: soundout References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In DirectCsound there is 'fout', similar to 'soundout' which can generate a wave file with any number of channels (in various formats: 32 bit floats, 16 bit integers with and without wav header). Also in next version there will be 'foutk', 'fouti' which handle files of any number of channels at k and i-rate; and 'fin', 'fink', 'fini', which can handle any file generated by the previous family of opcodes as input (any number of channels too; in the case of 'fouti' and 'fini' also ascii files are allowed). Gabriel jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > The code for writing WAv and AIFF files is present in teh function. > At present I cannot se where it does the finalisaton, closing and > writing headers, but I suspect it is supposed to be able to write > other than raw files. I think this code was last worked over my matt > ingals, who might understand it better than I do. > ==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19211; 5 Apr 99 22:24 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UGrX-0000z9-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:24:55 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA09655); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:22:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:22:27 +0100 Received: from root@renoir.op.net [209.152.193.4] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA10178); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:22:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from someip.ppp.op.net (d-bm2-07.ppp.op.net [209.152.194.39]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id RAA12002; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199904052120.RAA12002@renoir.op.net> To: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" cc: Jens-Reimer@t-online.de, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: m!ndfVK In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 05 Apr 1999 13:56:50 PDT." <199904052056.NAA21085@eos.arc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:21:07 -0400 From: Paul Barton-Davis Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk whoever is behind the various mindfck domains does this kind of stuff all over the place. s/he/it was thrown off the music-dsp list several times, only to return under a new domain. there is some content in the postings, but its hard to get to and not obviously of much value. ignore it, or ask the list master to kick the person off. --p Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19276; 5 Apr 99 22:50 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UHGG-0003Yc-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:50:28 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA10500); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:49:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:49:27 +0100 Received: from mercury.cc.oberlin.edu [132.162.1.220] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA14033); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:49:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from dhcp (DHCP5201.resnet.oberlin.edu) by oberlin.edu (PMDF V5.1-12 #29794) with SMTP id <0F9Q00A5RKMDAH@oberlin.edu> for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:48:14 -0400 From: jim altieri Subject: Re: m!ndfVK X-Sender: sjva4957@mail.cc.oberlin.edu To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-id: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 05:21 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Paul Barton-Davis wrote: >whoever is behind the various mindfck domains does this kind of stuff >all over the place. s/he/it was thrown off the music-dsp list several >times, only to return under a new domain. there is some content in the >postings, but its hard to get to and not obviously of much >value. ignore it, or ask the list master to kick the person off. > if you're going to kick someone off for being pretentious and OT, might as well kick off about half of the members on any listserv. it's good to remember that there are other ways of communicating, such as the way this guy communicates, and that there are other cultural and communication issues involved in making music. or, just ignore him, and be on your merry way Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19291; 5 Apr 99 22:55 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UHLO-0003Yh-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:55:46 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA16473); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:54:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:54:18 +0100 Received: from usamail.texasonline.net [208.207.16.31] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA12066); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:54:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from nmol.com (unverified [208.196.103.169]) by usamail.texasonline.net (Vircom SMTPRS 1.0.173) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:57:21 -0500 Message-ID: <3709307F.F277DF56@nmol.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:52:00 -0400 From: Mike Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk And though I am loath to get into this stuff, s/he/it was NOT thrown off the music-dsp list. I believe, however, that one of its incarnations was thrown of this list... > At 05:21 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Paul Barton-Davis wrote: > >all over the place. s/he/it was thrown off the music-dsp list several > >times, only to return under a new domain. there is some content in the -- ------ Mike Berry mikeb@nmol.com http://www.nmol.com/users/mikeb Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19326; 5 Apr 99 23:06 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UHVQ-0000zf-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:06:08 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA16440); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:05:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:05:03 +0100 Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.152.2] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA16042); Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:05:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (sarppp5.net.usf.edu [131.247.152.164]) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.8.7/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA28755 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 18:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3708EEE6.417C198D@virtu.sar.usf.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:12:07 +0100 From: wasd Reply-To: jpowell4@virtu.sar.usf.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <199904052120.RAA12002@renoir.op.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Paul Barton-Davis does this kind of stuff > all over the place. there is some content in the > postings, but its not obviously of much > value. ignore it, or ask the list master to kick the person off. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19470; 6 Apr 99 0:27 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UIm6-00012v-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:27:26 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA16463); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:26:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:26:25 +0100 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by hermes via SMTP (AAA06889); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:26:24 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 8220 invoked from network); 5 Apr 1999 23:26:24 -0000 Received: from userca36.uk.uudial.com (HELO mark) (62.188.150.104) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 23:26:24 -0000 From: mark williamson To: dsp , Csound Subject: RE: m!ndfVK Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be7fbd$e0527780$c290bc3e@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3709307F.F277DF56@nmol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk nah - I miss antiorp one of the great things about the group of people I am involved with music with is that they are a) multidisciplinary and b) some of them think I do wanky shite and c) love what I do (not all the same person/people obviously) the challenge is good - if you have seen antiorps websites and heard its music you know it has a point to make and is VERY talented. remeber 1977 mark > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk > [mailto:owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Mike Berry > Sent: 05 April 1999 22:52 > To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk > Subject: Re: m!ndfVK > > > And though I am loath to get into this stuff, s/he/it was NOT > thrown off the > music-dsp list. I believe, however, that one of its incarnations > was thrown > of this list... > > > At 05:21 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Paul Barton-Davis wrote: > > >all over the place. s/he/it was thrown off the music-dsp list several > > >times, only to return under a new domain. there is some content in the > > -- > ------ > Mike Berry > mikeb@nmol.com > http://www.nmol.com/users/mikeb > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19535; 6 Apr 99 0:51 BST Received: from [156.3.140.104] (helo=shoko.calarts.edu) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UJ9S-0003c3-00 for jpff@maths.bath.AC.UK; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:51:35 +0100 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by shoko.calarts.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id QAA23627 for music-dsp-outgoing; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:26:29 -0700 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by shoko.calarts.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA23623 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:26:26 -0700 Received: (qmail 8220 invoked from network); 5 Apr 1999 23:26:24 -0000 Received: from userca36.uk.uudial.com (HELO mark) (62.188.150.104) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 1999 23:26:24 -0000 From: mark williamson To: dsp , Csound Subject: RE: m!ndfVK Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:41:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000401be7fbd$e0527780$c290bc3e@mark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3709307F.F277DF56@nmol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: music-dsp@shoko.calarts.edu nah - I miss antiorp one of the great things about the group of people I am involved with music with is that they are a) multidisciplinary and b) some of them think I do wanky shite and c) love what I do (not all the same person/people obviously) the challenge is good - if you have seen antiorps websites and heard its music you know it has a point to make and is VERY talented. remeber 1977 mark > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk > [mailto:owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Mike Berry > Sent: 05 April 1999 22:52 > To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk > Subject: Re: m!ndfVK > > > And though I am loath to get into this stuff, s/he/it was NOT > thrown off the > music-dsp list. I believe, however, that one of its incarnations > was thrown > of this list... > > > At 05:21 PM 4/5/99 -0400, Paul Barton-Davis wrote: > > >all over the place. s/he/it was thrown off the music-dsp list several > > >times, only to return under a new domain. there is some content in the > > -- > ------ > Mike Berry > mikeb@nmol.com > http://www.nmol.com/users/mikeb > dupswapdrop: the music-dsp mailing list and website http://shoko.calarts.edu/~glmrboy/musicdsp/music-dsp.html Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19667; 6 Apr 99 1:46 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UK0K-0003cY-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:46:12 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA13983); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:45:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:45:13 +0100 Received: from root@icemserv-gw.folkwang.uni-essen.de [132.252.170.245] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA01355); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 01:45:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (neuhaus@localhost) by icemserv.folkwang.uni-essen.de (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA04032; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:34:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:34:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Thomas Neuhaus To: Hans Mikelson cc: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: Csound Magazine Spring 1999 In-Reply-To: <001801be7f06$b7cc3f60$4899170c@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Sun, 4 Apr 1999, Hans Mikelson wrote: > Zip is OK but I only have only five meg on my whole site so I am a bit > cramped for space. I don't want to store it on a site that is going to pop > up advertisements all over the place. > I could put it on our site if you want to. Just send the .zip to me. Our internet uplink is not blindingly fast but I promise: no Ads from here. (We are a public institution educating musicians, dancers and actors here) Regards Thomas -- Thomas Neuhaus(neuhaus@folkwang.uni-essen.de) Phone (49)-201-4903-333 ICEM Institut fuer Computermusik und elektronische Medien Folkwang-Hochschule Essen, Klemensborn 39, D-49239 Essen ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNIX _is_ user-friendly. It just knows who its friends are. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19784; 6 Apr 99 2:25 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UKbw-0003d9-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:25:04 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA10577); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:24:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:23:56 +0100 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA05665); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:23:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2054.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.8.6]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23530 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:21:55 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <3709618D.409425EF@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:21:26 +1000 From: Bob Douglas Reply-To: rdouglas@mail.usyd.edu.au Organization: Sydney Conservatorium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CSound list Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk jim altieri wrote: > if you're going to kick someone off for being pretentious and OT, might as > well kick off about half of the members on any listserv. it's good to > remember that there are other ways of communicating, such as the way this > guy communicates, and that there are other cultural and communication issues > involved in making music. or, just ignore him, and be on your merry way I'd have to agree. The issue comes down to this. How socially and politically convulsive do events like the current crisis in Serbia/Kosovo/Albania have to be, before we bring such topics in out of the cold (namely OT) and acknowledge the way they influence our current music-making. It's sobering to remember that we wouldn't be making ANY computer music without, some might say, the aesthetically pyrrhic "advances" that occurred during WW 2, and thereafter. Alan Turing's work on decrypting the German Enigma machine is one of the more benign examples that comes to mind. I'm sure most of us could easily call forth many of the more malignant variety. The point is that it takes less than six degrees of separation to connect Computer Music, per se, to the DoD. The current forced migration from Kosovo, euphemistically called "ethnic cleansing" (try "ethic cleansing"), is the largest such movement of people in Europe since WW2. It is not some streetcorner tiff on the other side of the world. If you are an American, this isgoing to have far reaching repercussions on US foreign policy, and perhaps even the way the military does its thing. f1f0 (@m9ndfukc.com) may just be there to remind us that one day, the DoD could come knocking on your door with an offer difficult to refuse - "...that opcode you got there, we could use it .....". If you think that's funny/improbable, look into the development of submarine screw-silencing during the last ten years. If f1f0's style irks you, persist. Has anyone, for example, thought of taking the trouble to respond to f1f0's postings in the same dialect ? bd Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19813; 6 Apr 99 2:30 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UKhb-00014J-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:30:55 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA09415); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:29:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:29:44 +0100 Received: from madcap.apk.net [207.54.158.16] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA11067); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:29:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from christon (as1-16.elyria.apk.net [207.54.141.76]) by madcap.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.981124) with ESMTP id VAA26266 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Christopher.Neese@oberlin.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: Xopher To: Csound Subject: csd files Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:05:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000001be7fc9$85c53300$8913fea9@christon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If I drag a csd file onto the Winsound icon, Winsound tries to translate it as an orc file using score.srt as a score file. It then naturally coughs on all the non-orchestra lines in the file. If I type WINSOUND SCORE.CSD in a MS-DOS console however, there is no problem. This is odd behavior, but not the end of the world :) The temp orc and sco files created by both Winsound and 32-bit console Csound are created on the root of the active drive in Windows. This is because a \ is prepended to the temporary filename. This is a bit of a problem, because if Csound then crashes, one starts to accumulate junk orc and sco files on the root directory. Accumulating junk temp files isn't the end of the world, but it isn't good that they are on the root directory. These should be left in the active directory or a temporary directory. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19825; 6 Apr 99 2:32 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UKjN-00014N-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:32:45 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA14360); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:31:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:31:40 +0100 Received: from madcap.apk.net [207.54.158.16] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA11475); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:31:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from christon (as1-16.elyria.apk.net [207.54.141.76]) by madcap.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.981124) with ESMTP id VAA26286 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Christopher.Neese@oberlin.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: Xopher To: Csound Subject: RE: soundout Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:05:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000201be7fc9$96f5d580$8913fea9@christon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matt Ingals is on this list, so I'm just going to continue my discussion here. The problem seems to be that Csound simply never writes a header, although it probably should. In addition, it seems that if the iformat flag is omitted or set to zero, soundout should write a file using Csound's output settings. According to the manual, iformat is an optional argument. When I omit it (or set it to zero) the orchestra translates fine, then Csound crashes upon the first instance of an instrument containing soundout. My current work around for this problem is to slightly delay the input signal of the soundout opcode. Then I can write a header over the silence at the beginning of the file. This is quicker than converting the RAW file to WAV file, which takes about the same time as making a copy of the file. (If you have several large audio files, copying them can take several minutes.) -----Original Message----- From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk [mailto:jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:19 AM To: christopher.neese@oberlin.edu Subject: Re: soundout Message written at 05 Apr 1999 18:44:41 +0530 CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk The code for writing WAv and AIFF files is present in teh function. At present I cannot se where it does the finalisaton, closing and writing headers, but I suspect it is supposed to be able to write other than raw files. I think this code was last worked over my matt ingals, who might understand it better than I do. ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19840; 6 Apr 99 2:34 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UKlP-0003dF-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:34:51 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA11300); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:34:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:33:53 +0100 Received: from madcap.apk.net [207.54.158.16] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA12982); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:33:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from christon (as1-16.elyria.apk.net [207.54.141.76]) by madcap.apk.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/apk.981124) with ESMTP id VAA26274 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: Christopher.Neese@oberlin.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: Xopher To: Csound Subject: ftgen with GEN01 using strset Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:05:24 -0400 Message-ID: <000101be7fc9$8cc7a200$8913fea9@christon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If I use ftgen and GEN01 together with strset, Csound crashes when it tries to draw the table. Using the -d switch eliminates the problem. The problem may be due to my sound files, but there is no problem if the f-tables are generated in the score, even with graphic displays on. Finally, the soundfile must be in the active directory, or a full path must be given. For some reason, Csound seems to "forget" SSDIR and SFDIR, even though the error message says: cannot open foo.raw. Not in cur dir, SSDIR or SFDIR as defined Soundin may also "forget" SSDIR and SFDIR when using strset, but I haven't checked. This problem isn't the end of the world, but it is annoying when dealing with "scoreless" orchestras. The following three csd files illustrate my points: ;Test1.csd ;This version crashes upon trying to draw the f-table -n -W sr = 44100 kr = 441 ksmps = 100 nchnls = 1 strset 91, "foo.raw" gifoo ftgen 0, 0, 256, -1, 91, 0, 6, 0 gisin ftgen 0, 0, 512, 10, 1 instr 1 asig oscil 10000, p4, gisin endin i1 0 1 440 ;==================================================== ;Test2.csd ;This version works if "foo.raw" is in active directory ;Same as Test1.csd except for -d switch -n -d -W sr = 44100 kr = 441 ksmps = 100 nchnls = 1 strset 91, "foo.raw" gifoo ftgen 0, 0, 256, -1, 91, 0, 6, 0 gisin ftgen 0, 0, 512, 10, 1 instr 1 asig oscil 10000, p4, gisin endin i1 0 1 440 ;==================================================== ;Test3.csd ;This version works if "foo.raw" is in SFDIR, SSDIR or Active Directory. ;"foo.raw" is now loaded in score -n -W sr = 44100 kr = 441 ksmps = 100 nchnls = 4 gifoo = 1 gisin ftgen 0, 0, 512, 10, 1 instr 1 asig oscil 10000, p4, gisin endin f1 0 256 -1 "foo.raw" 0 6 0 i1 0 1 440 Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20093; 6 Apr 99 3:52 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10ULy9-00015H-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:52:05 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA13125); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:50:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:50:31 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA15295); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:50:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-209-59.dc.us.ibm.net [32.100.209.59]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA85828 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 02:50:19 GMT Message-ID: <37097773.5576C8F6@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 22:54:43 -0400 From: "Job M. van Zuijlen" Reply-To: zuijlen@ibm.net Organization: electona X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CSound list Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> <3709618D.409425EF@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Before we start making f1f0's contribution bigger than it is, I would like to point out that I didn't see any compassion with the fate of the Kosovo Albanians in his message. At times he has had interesting and mind-provoking thoughts, but I was disappointed this time. There are all kinds of things going on all the time that are not right, inside as well as outside the U.S. And everyone has the choice, but not the obligation to do something with that in his or her art, music, work and/or life. As far as Yugoslavia goes, it's sad, but there isn't really a simple solution. Europe (and I suppose other parts of the world) have many old conflicts. Western Europe has been "lucky" in the sense that most of these were resolved by the time World War II was over. But it took hundreds of years (and many wars) to get to that point. We can only hope that things won't take that long for the Balkan. The really sobering thought I think is that although we are used to a fast-paced environment (with faster and faster Pentium and other processors), history doesn't have a fast forward button, and things take time. Job van Zuijlen Bob Douglas wrote: > > I'd have to agree. The issue comes down to this. How socially and politically > convulsive do events like the current crisis in Serbia/Kosovo/Albania have to > be, before we bring such topics in out of the cold (namely OT) and acknowledge > the way they influence our current music-making. > > It's sobering to remember that we wouldn't be making ANY computer music > without, some might say, the aesthetically pyrrhic "advances" that occurred > during WW 2, and thereafter. Alan Turing's work on decrypting the German > Enigma machine is one of the more benign examples that comes to mind. I'm sure > most of us could easily call forth many of the more malignant variety. > > The point is that it takes less than six degrees of separation to connect > Computer Music, per se, to the DoD. The current forced migration from Kosovo, > euphemistically called "ethnic cleansing" (try "ethic cleansing"), is the > largest such movement of people in Europe since WW2. It is not some > streetcorner tiff on the other side of the world. If you are an American, this > isgoing to have far reaching repercussions on US foreign policy, and perhaps > even the way the military does its thing. > > f1f0 (@m9ndfukc.com) may just be there to remind us that one day, the DoD > could come knocking on your door with an offer difficult to refuse - "...that > opcode you got there, we could use it .....". If you think that's > funny/improbable, look into the development of submarine screw-silencing > during the last ten years. If f1f0's style irks you, persist. Has anyone, for > example, thought of taking the trouble to respond to f1f0's postings in the > same dialect ? > > bd Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20168; 6 Apr 99 4:35 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UMeQ-0003ek-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:35:46 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA15530); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:34:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:34:36 +0100 Received: from root@westnet.com [206.24.6.2] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA08988); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:34:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from goodguy (p4.pm3-3.westnet.com [206.28.203.4]) by westnet.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA05780; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3709628A.61F1AD14@westnet.com> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 01:25:30 +0000 From: Larry Troxler X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rdouglas@mail.usyd.edu.au CC: CSound list Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> <3709618D.409425EF@mail.usyd.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Bob Douglas wrote: > I'd have to agree. The issue comes down to this. How socially and politically > convulsive do events like the current crisis in Serbia/Kosovo/Albania have to > be, before we bring such topics in out of the cold (namely OT) and acknowledge > the way they influence our current music-making. Oops, sorry. This is the Csound list. This list is not about the way social and political topics influence our music-making. It's about a specific computer-music software. > It's sobering to remember that we wouldn't be making ANY computer music > without, some might say, the aesthetically pyrrhic "advances" that occurred > during WW 2, and thereafter. Alan Turing's work on decrypting the German > Enigma machine is one of the more benign examples that comes to mind. I'm sure > most of us could easily call forth many of the more malignant variety. > I know you are just trolling, but I can't resist. We wouldn't be making any computer music without the invention of the transistor, either. Are you saying, therefore that we should welcome discussions about semiconductors on this list? > The point is that it takes less than six degrees of separation to connect > Computer Music, per se, to the DoD. Oh, please. It alse takes less then six degrees of seperation to connect computer music to the problem of whether to paint my apartment myself, or hire someone to do it. > Has anyone, for > example, thought of taking the trouble to respond to f1f0's postings in the > same dialect ? > No. Get it? Larry -- Larry Troxler -- lt@westnet.com -- Patterson, NY USA -- Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20188; 6 Apr 99 4:41 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UMjZ-00015h-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:41:05 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA14746); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:40:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:39:49 +0100 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.118.20] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA01303); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:39:47 +0100 (BST) Received: (from jim-ra@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA27686; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:39:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:39:45 -0700 From: "Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant" Message-Id: <199904060339.UAA27686@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, jim.altieri@oberlin.edu Subject: Re: m!ndfVK Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good point itz just best to let him try to get it out of his system there looks to B alot of pain in him he has to release sumhow... but hey what do I know I'm just a comp sci type not a psych type More OT:m anyone here C The Matrix? it wuz awesome An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children' Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20195; 6 Apr 99 4:42 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UMlG-00015m-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:42:50 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA00550); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:41:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:41:36 +0100 Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.152.2] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA11381); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:41:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (sarppp4.net.usf.edu [131.247.152.163]) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.8.7/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA08377 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37093DC8.AA4764CF@virtu.sar.usf.edu> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 23:48:44 +0100 From: wasd Reply-To: jpowell4@virtu.sar.usf.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <199904060232.WAA08053@renoir.op.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Paul Barton-Davis wrote: > well well, aren't you the clever one. my ribs are aching with the > ironic humor of your trick. > > get a life. At times he has had interesting andmind-provoking thoughts, but I was disappointed this time. Sounds like a parnoid rant to me....> Paul Barton-Davis does this kind of stuff> all over the place. there is some content in the > postings, but its not obviously of much > value. ignore it, or ask the list master to kick the person off. There are all kinds of things going on all the time that are not right, inside as well as outside the U.S. And everyone has the obligation to do something with that in his or her art, music, work or life. really a simple solution Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20203; 6 Apr 99 4:44 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UMmd-0003ep-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:44:15 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA17642); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:43:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:43:13 +0100 Received: from emerald.oz.net [216.39.128.2] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA17850); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 04:43:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from spelunkette (sense-sea-56k-2-18.oz.net [216.39.131.82]) by emerald.oz.net (8.9.1/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA02322 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:40:55 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: madgello@oz.net MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: Ricardo MadGello To: CSound list Subject: Warning Long Post -RE: m!ndfVK & then some Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 20:42:48 -0700 Message-ID: <002401be7fdf$89df4d20$528327d8@spelunkette> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3709618D.409425EF@mail.usyd.edu.au> Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Actually, I did communicate private to the f1f0 unit. nothing in return I actually stole some words from its website. There are some interesting things there. Some are simply exogenetic meandersings that serve in several ways as a generic, "Why didn't I think of that?" On the other hand, leaving room for one more to allow continued holding of csound related cards to chest, little i has found that persistent attempts at metacommunication minus the requisite, "I speak your language also." leaves too much room for doubt in the general trend of things, no matter how McDonaldsesque this may sound. I really would like to understand a couple things before I lay my csound hand down on the table here in this csound forum. Is it possible that f1f0 can relay the csound related stuff in a generic csound list-understandable language? And we as csound language-tunnel-visioned as we are make the trade of attempting to understand this new language, as odd and inferential as it seems ? What I've seen/heard/experienced at these sites has been (when successful due to inherent need to program for the world not just Mac when it comes to this 3w stuff) somewhat csound related. I have no doubt that some of these sonic events presented through a combination of fireworks driven HTML, more practice please, and MOV/sound are generated using csound. Here's the csound card. Personally, if I can find a link in any communication on this list that has to do with csound, I'm listening. Some of what I've posted here has little obvious connection with the use of csound as a tool. This is csound language. I'm still learning. But, , I'm telling you. I got a patch in mind that'll .... That's what I'm talking about. The catch. My personal work is stopped with regards to csound capability at present level of development. I am sadly stuck with a rather large investment in Intel based PC hardware that cannot do it's desired function at all due to lack of software. - - - I've had this dream ever since I was a teenkid. A dream that goes. . . .. Stereo is cool! No, wait a second, Stereo sucks! This is horrible. How can they flatten out music so grossly. Matrix stereo, quad, weird speaker arrays filled the listening halls to surpass this abismal sound coming from a mere pair of speakers. I have this dream where we build a hall just for the kind of music that can only come from csound and related sound manipulation tools. A more "TruSpace" tm kind of sound. I'm pretty sure that is a common goal in this list. We make these awesome soundscapes, and , we could sure use a concert hall that would take advantage of that sound and so on and so on. --------- Bottom line. I'm not a C/C++ programmer. I'm barely a csound programmer. Mostly becasue I understand the language but came in on this weird path where I have specific needs before I can even start. 8->32 channel out, Any and real time, using multiple stereo(and/or mono?) channels or single multi-channel driver. Win32 version, preferably DirectX-style plug-in for multi-channel DAW apps. An out opcode that can have adjustable sample play pointers into any number of channels of audio file and/or real-time output. A 3 (possibly 4 or more) dimensional sound object localization mixer as opcode. An 8/14/20/26/ channel (self-calibrating for this moment's exact speed of sound) room delay sphericalization opcode that would provide time/space equalization relative to sonic event projectors and ALL listeners AND players of any given Performance Space. Rectangular cube or relative to desired sound event's localization space/time coordinates determine where in the event horizon said sonic events occur relative to the listening environs filtered through the human filters AND the physical filters presented by the intrusion of humans in this pure sonic space I have envisioned for the simple 'Playing of OUR music." Thank You for listening, if you didn't bail a long time ago that is. ;-) ricardo madgello out on this one.... but, wait!, there's more..... -> DVD standard enhanced to allow 32 min. channels @ 192KHz PCM or no-loss equivalent w/ compression. -> A drive that can handle that throughput. ->A card that can handle 8 -> 32 discrete mono channels out to at least 96KHz D/A. (Recordings will still sound better with effective re-sampling. The wait is for D/A that can ...) ====================== Let's take a vote now. You're totally free to knock me from the list. I can guaranty that I'll be whining about these csound 'deficiencies' until you do, implement them, or I take the 'three freaking years it takes to get to this level....' I have just revealed my whole insanity. mwuh Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20257; 6 Apr 99 5:08 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UN9f-0003f1-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:08:03 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA05580); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:07:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:06:51 +0100 Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu [131.247.152.2] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA01665); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:06:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from virtu.sar.usf.edu (sarppp4.net.usf.edu [131.247.152.163]) by virtu.sar.usf.edu (8.8.7/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA08983 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <370943AF.831C30B3@virtu.sar.usf.edu> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 00:14:04 +0100 From: wasd Reply-To: jpowell4@virtu.sar.usf.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> <3709618D.409425EF@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3709628A.61F1AD14@westnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > sorry > social and political topics influence our music-making > > > to the problem of whether to paint myself, > or hire someone to do it. > itz just best to let him try to get it out of his system > there looks to B alot of pain in him he has to release sumhow... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > screaming f1 0 1024 10 1 Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20324; 6 Apr 99 5:52 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UNqQ-0003jS-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:52:14 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA03283); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:50:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:50:00 +0100 Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA17614); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 05:49:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from seanet.com (ba31.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.134.95]) by mx.seanet.com (8.9.3/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00330 for ; Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <370993CF.E7DAE1AF@seanet.com> Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:55:43 -0700 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound Subject: Winsound v. 3.53 ROCKS!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all: I think it has been mentioned on this list recently, but the changes John Fitch has made to Winsound v. 3.53 have DRAMATICALLY improved the performance. By several fold. A 12-stage phase shifting orchestra I wrote, which depends on sr=kr, used to take 5 minutes or so for 20 seconds of sound, and would crash regularly. Now it takes less than 20 seconds. This will help me immesurably this quarter. Huzzah! Sean Costello Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20602; 6 Apr 99 8:17 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UQ7M-0001Bx-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:17:52 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA12488); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:17:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:16:51 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA09216); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:16:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UQ6M-0001Bs-00; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:16:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 99 8:16:49 BST From: J P Fitch To: Sean Costello cc: csound Subject: Re: Winsound v. 3.53 ROCKS!! Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What you mean is how badly I had got it wrong before! The console mode program is still faster as it is not trying to maintain an interface. If/when I understand Windows better I might use threads. ==John Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20903; 6 Apr 99 11:06 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10USkn-0001G5-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:06:45 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA10724); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:05:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:05:46 +0100 Received: from jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9] by hermes via SMTP (LAA16384); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:05:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 27137 invoked from network); 6 Apr 1999 09:44:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cableinet.co.uk) (194.117.146.42) by jaguars with SMTP; 6 Apr 1999 09:44:51 -0000 Message-ID: <3709DC9B.37823DF2@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:06:19 +0100 From: Richard Dobson Organization: Composers Desktop Project X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CSound list Subject: Re: m!ndfVK References: <2.2.32.19990405214814.007456cc@mail.cc.oberlin.edu> <3709618D.409425EF@mail.usyd.edu.au> <3709628A.61F1AD14@westnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, we have had people who complain that most topics are too techical ond obscure, not about music, others who would like it even more technical (and if necessary spawned off into other lists), and a few who like to explore the 'big picture' from time to time. Actually, I find all of it interesting. A lot of the musicians I have met over the years are very intereted in the 'big picture', if for no other reason than to express continual gratitude at the enormous priviledge they have in having the talent and resources to engage in such an activity. It is very reassuring to me to read posts discussing the 'big picture' in just about any way. These are the ones most likely to pass the Turing test! As for the current situation in Kosovo, what can I say other than that my greatest hope is that ~everybody~ can go home. Doing computer music, of itself, will probably not further that cause at all (except in the general sense of "it is better to plant a rose..."), and is in that sense off topic, but as a musician I need at least to give thought to it, and allow the butterfly effect to do its work. Richard Dobson Larry Troxler wrote: > > Bob Douglas wrote: > > > I'd have to agree. The issue comes down to this. How socially and politically > > convulsive do events like the current crisis in Serbia/Kosovo/Albania have to > > be, before we bring such topics in out of the cold (namely OT) and acknowledge > > the way they influence our current music-making. > > Oops, sorry. This is the Csound list. This list is not about the way > social and political topics influence our music-making. It's about a > specific computer-music software. > -- Test your DAW with my Soundcard Attrition Page! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/rwd CDP homepage: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masjpf/CDP/CDP.htm Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21059; 6 Apr 99 12:18 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UTsN-0001Jr-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:18:39 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA05903); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:32 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (MAA00763); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UTrH-0001Jh-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 99 12:17:30 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: Reversion tests To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 06 Apr 1999 11:07:56 +0530 This request is a little off-topic for musicians, and relates more to the SE aspects of Csound. I am looking for a set of simple tests to ensure that opcodes are working correctly. I realise that this is a major undertaking, but at the very least I would like tests for the opcodes I did not originate, and especially the filter opcodes (moogvcf, rezzy, biquad, lowpres, resonx, ...). I have tests for the physical model opcodes already, and also some for fog and some others. I am concerned that I might (again) upset opcodes when attempting to optimise or entend. So does anyone have any such test? I am looking for single opcode instruments, or conceptually single opcodes, possibly with the correct output as well. Ideally I would like to create a set of automated tests I could run, and they would also act as trivial examples of use in some cases. ==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21066; 6 Apr 99 12:18 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UTsV-0001Jt-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:18:47 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA17638); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:48 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (MAA06806); Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10UTrX-0001Jk-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Apr 1999 12:17:47 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 99 12:17:46 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: wgbrass To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 06 Apr 1999 16:32:58 +0530 Am I alone in thinking that this instrument is no longer working? Does anyone know for how long it has been non-functional? Or is it something I have done recently? My logs suggest that I have not changed it for a long time. ==John ffitch 1999-03-11 John Fitch * physmod.c (brassset): Assume 50Hz lowest freq if not given 1998-07-18 John ffitch * physmod.c (DLineA_setDelay): Check that it is initialised; also fix serious typo in initialisation skip. 1998-07-17 John ffitch * physmod.c: For all physical models in theis file, if lowestfreq is negative, skip initialisation. (clarinet, flute, bowed, brass) 1998-03-04 J P Fitch * physmod.c (brassset): Cannot be sure frequency given, so reorganise initialisation of frequency, including moving code to the performance function