Re: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com

Date	1999-07-07 16:43
From	Paul Barrett
Subject	Re: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com
	FASCIST -----Original Message----- From: Dr J.Stevenson's research assistant To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk ; rubo@berlin.snafu.de Cc: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com ; webmaster@snafu.de Date: Monday, July 05, 1999 11:09 PM Subject: Re: f1f0@m9ndfukc.com > >What I often like to do is to save 5-10 e-mails from it > >and then fire them back with my comments to it telling him > >his socialist beleifs are going to be buried by Americans like me > >:) > > >>Nostalgie ist die Faehigkeit, darueber zu trauern, dass es nicht mehr so >>ist, wie es frueher nicht gewesen ist. -- Manfred Rommel > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02700; 7 Jul 99 18:56 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 111uDQ-0001y6-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:06:32 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA11809); Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:02:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:02:25 +0100 Received: from front6.grolier.fr [194.158.96.56] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA08295); Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:02:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from club-internet.fr (ppp-164-8.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.164.8]) by front6.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with ESMTP id SAA15928 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 18:02:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37837AC6.3B37BC46@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 18:05:30 +0200 From: JM&M DARREMONT Reply-To: jmdbrady@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: liste CSound Subject: Mac Midifile converter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Where can I find a small MIDI 1 to 0 converter. The discussion happened here few weeks ago about this subject but I couldn't find the info for mac users. Thanks. -- Jean-Michel DARREMONT Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03084; 7 Jul 99 22:20 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 111z6Q-0003Cl-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:19:38 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA00795); Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:16:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:16:00 +0100 Received: from mail3.lax.netzero.net [209.0.233.38] by hermes via SMTP (WAA08343); Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:15:59 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 12622 invoked by uid 0); 7 Jul 1999 21:15:56 -0000 Received: from pppa11-resalemontgomery1-2r1103.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.16.206.70) by mail3.lax.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 1999 21:15:56 -0000 Message-ID: <3783C3D0.11FBBA8F@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 16:17:05 -0500 From: Sherlock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmdbrady@club-internet.fr, "csound@maths.ex.ac.uk" Subject: Re: Mac Midifile converter References: <37837AC6.3B37BC46@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Check "MIDI FORMAT 1 to 0 for MacIntosh" in one of the search engines. JM&M DARREMONT wrote: > Where can I find a small MIDI 1 to 0 converter. > The discussion happened here few weeks ago about this subject but I couldn't > find the info for mac users. > > Thanks. > > -- > Jean-Michel DARREMONT ________________________________________________________ NetZero - We believe in a FREE Internet. Shouldn't you? Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03551; 8 Jul 99 3:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1123oq-0002By-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:21:48 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA16612); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:19:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:19:04 +0100 Received: from rothko.bestweb.net [209.94.100.160] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA13537); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:19:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from goodguy (dialin-35.poughkeepsie.bestweb.net [209.94.109.69]) by rothko.bestweb.net (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA16105 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37840B44.1A407C4B@westnet.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:21:56 +0000 From: Larry Troxler X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Unintended error return / bug in WinX11.c? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I have run into a problem where csound returns an errorcode even when nothing really went wrong. I think the problem is in the X11 code, and probably happens when X11 graphics are enabled but no windows are drawn (as is the case where no function generators are used). This faulty error return seems to be propogated from the "myXwait" function in WinX11.c. It is called indirectly by dispexit(), which gets called from musmon(). And it seems that if there is no X-window open (xlwin==NULL), then myXwait returns non-zero, which gets propogated back up the returns from dispexit(), musmon(), and then main(). Being not too familiar with this code, especially for all platforms, I don't know the correct way to fix it. Can someone else perhaps verify this problem and/or provide a fix that doesn't break the other platforms? Just to be clear, csound does not print any error messages, and the perf does indeed work fine. But it returns non-zero back to the OS (in this case Linux) which is a problem at the moment since I am using Make to run it. Here is where the trouble seems to start: static int myXwait(char msg) { if (xlwin != (Window)NULL) { myXwinWait(xlwin, msg); return(0); } else return(1); } Larry Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03649; 8 Jul 99 5:18 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1125cs-0003LP-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:17:34 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA17750); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:15:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:15:07 +0100 Received: from s-cwis.unomaha.edu [137.48.1.11] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA00412); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:15:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from usa.net (eab009pc10.unomaha.edu [137.48.3.110]) by s-cwis.unomaha.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA28041 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:15:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <378425B5.C40D7A37@usa.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:14:45 -0500 From: "craig-routt@usa.net" Reply-To: craig-routt@usa.net Organization: craig-routt@usa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: HELLO EVERYONE I'M USING CAPITOL LETTERS AGAIN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk i know i'm being redundant but i've got this vision about pluck that it needs to be frequency modulated in the time domain. for instance you run 2 pluck parrallel and feed back the out put with weighted wet or dry into feedback ok you got that . but the time domain must shift the feed back time. this is not my idea . this comes from a paper i read by bose. who just happens to sell the best speaker system in the world called the bode 802 with a sound cannon for base. but in a conversation with the fellow he said if you use one speaker and run a 100 hz. signal into it with a 1000 hz signal you get doppler shift. in a pluck this means time domain must change in the feed back loop. this is a problem which has plagued me for 20 years. when i would synthesizie a drum on my moog it was not the same as the actual drum in my recording suite. WHY. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME DOPPLER SHIFT OF THE TIME DOMAIN OF FEED BACK!!!!!! OK now you got that. the partial s must fm . this is mandatory. perhaps you fellows have solved this allready. i have been negligent in my reading of cmj recently (2 years now) but this question has bothered me for 20 years. PLEASE PLEASE HELP. thank you craig Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03659; 8 Jul 99 5:27 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1125m6-0002E6-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:27:06 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA17998); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:24:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:23:53 +0100 Received: from s-cwis.unomaha.edu [137.48.1.11] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA12729); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 05:23:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from usa.net (eab009pc10.unomaha.edu [137.48.3.110]) by s-cwis.unomaha.edu (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24439 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 23:23:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <378427C3.E62C53DB@usa.net> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 23:23:31 -0500 From: "craig-routt@usa.net" Reply-To: craig-routt@usa.net Organization: craig-routt@usa.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: sorry it is me again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk i should have been more specific feedback would drive the time schedule for the pointer to read the out put backinto the loop. but a parrallel pluck must be the effect over both units. but only in parrallel. would the not? and there fore in a fof the fof would also do a slight fm of the partials . true ? and this is why ,(PROBABLY) that there is a fm function to the fof set. true? but where fof is an incorrect model would be in the fedback unit. which must necessarily effect each fof in parrallel. the 2 units do not do this do they. or am i going nuts. i have tweeked this until i'm frustrated. tell me. truth now . is the model incomplete? i ask this to Xaviar Rodet mostly. but also to you john. does it . thank you craig Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03709; 8 Jul 99 6:16 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1126Wp-0003QV-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:15:23 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (GAA14450); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:13:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:12:54 +0100 Received: from sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55] by hermes via ESMTP (GAA16316); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:12:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from [24.28.85.152] ([24.28.85.152]) by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:09:27 -0500 X-Sender: asynth@mail.io.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <378425B5.C40D7A37@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 00:09:08 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk From: James McCartney Subject: Re: HELLO EVERYONE I'M USING CAPITOL LETTERS AGAIN Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 10:14 PM -0600 7/7/99, craig-routt@usa.net wrote: >WHY. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY > >THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME > >DOPPLER SHIFT OF THE TIME DOMAIN OF FEED BACK!!!!!! Bartender, I'll have whatever he's having. --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com http://www.audiosynth.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider2, a real time synth program: Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03717; 8 Jul 99 6:19 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1126bF-0002J9-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:19:57 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (GAA07219); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:16:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:15:56 +0100 Received: from mail2.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.104] by hermes via ESMTP (GAA05437); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:15:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from ppp-015.m2-1.bra.ican.net ([142.154.16.15] helo=bigfoot.com) by mail2.tor.accglobal.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 1126XG-0006Q9-02; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: <378433E3.3FBAD06@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:15:16 -0400 From: Brandon Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound-dev@mills.edu CC: csound Subject: Problem with CSound PPC front-end Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been having trouble lately getting CSound to work; when I click "render" in the front end, nothing happens (Perf doesn't launch). It seemed to be working before, then in would work "sometimes" (for instance, if I launched Perf and then clicked "Open CSound"), now the front end never launches Perf. I've tried this with CSound 1.2 and both Perf versions 3.54 and 3.55, and get the same result. I'm running MacOS 8.6, with 64 meg of RAM. Any clue what might be causing this? Brandon Nelson -- brandon_nelson@bigfoot.com ICQ: 11617296 Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03743; 8 Jul 99 6:37 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1126rn-0003Qq-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:37:03 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (GAA10261); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:35:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:34:54 +0100 Received: from relay04.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.184] by hermes via SMTP (GAA05271); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 06:34:52 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 29087 invoked from network); 8 Jul 1999 05:34:52 -0000 Received: from www0h.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.37) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 1999 05:34:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 29003 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 1999 05:34:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990708053451.29002.qmail@www0h.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.37 by www0h via web-mailer() on Thu Jul 8 05:34:51 GMT 1999 Date: 7 Jul 99 23:34:51 MDT From: craig routt To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer () Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk oh , for those of you who are not drummers or studio owners with drum kits or have not analized a drum hit. the first hit of a drum is direct output. the second hit is a doppler shift of the first strike of the head. which would indicate a logic if 2ond note switch on doppler shift, that is also apparrent. but it would be fm but by a doppler shift of which would give an amplitude modulation in accordance with the resonant body this is what i base my supposition on =2E so to do this would i need to rewrite pluck to do time base/feedback modulation but related to not necessarily fundamental but a mix of resonance as well as feedback and fundamental. and with a couple of = more p field for resonant/time domain shift, parrallel pluck units in the resonator path, (oh boy right here i remember reading this somewhere) with curves weighted for each parallel harmonic to be thrown into the feedback. but the feedback is not = just time function. true? the parrallels wouldgive resonant body shape. (later you could do a gui to draw shapes in theory) i'm still thinking on this. i'm sort of thinking out loud to the csound group . hope you do not mind. thank you = craig ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03790; 8 Jul 99 7:28 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1127fx-0002Jk-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:28:53 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA16429); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:24:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:24:40 +0100 Received: from ares.flash.net [209.30.0.41] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA00436); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:24:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from bigfoot.com (p238-123.atnt3.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.238.123]) by ares.flash.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22031 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:24:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <378444F6.AF1C5A7E@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:28:06 -0500 From: pete moss Organization: pete moss GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: error in consound Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk when i run the score below, i crash the win98 console version of csound. when i run it in gabriels direct csound, if runs fine. i have the latest version of each. here is the windows error: CSOUND caused an invalid page fault in module CSOUND.EXE at 023f:0045d78d. Registers: EAX=00000000 CS=023f EIP=0045d78d EFLGS=00010246 EBX=007d0430 SS=0247 ESP=006afd88 EBP=00475a34 ECX=ffffffff DS=0247 ESI=00000005 FS=c9c7 EDX=00006372 ES=0247 EDI=00006372 GS=0000 Bytes at CS:EIP: f2 ae f7 d1 49 3b ce 76 15 80 3c 16 3d 75 0f 56 Stack dump: 006cc8f6 007d4b88 00000002 00000000 0041574a 00475a34 0042c48f 0047bbe0 004765a8 006afde4 007d0378 00000000 007d4660 00000034 0000001a 00000002 after this error, it returns 'Process completed successfully' any pointers? :P here is the csd file: -W -d -o c:\csound\waves\matrix.wav ;-+O -m0 -d -+K0 -+X0 -b1000 sr=44100 kr=44100 ksmps=1 nchnls=1 instr 1 kint init 1 a11 phasor p6 a12 phasor p7 a13 phasor p8 a14 phasor p9 a15 phasor p10 a16 phasor p11 a17 phasor p12 if kint != 1 goto next2 a1 = sin(a116.2831853071796) goto end next2: if kint != 2 goto next3 a1 = sin(a126.2831853071796) goto end next3: if kint != 3 goto next4 a1 = sin(a136.2831853071796) goto end next4: if kint != 4 goto next5 a1 = sin(a146.2831853071796) goto end next5: if kint != 5 goto next6 a1 = sin(a156.2831853071796) goto end next6: if kint != 6 goto next7 a1 = sin(a166.2831853071796) goto end next7: a1 = sin(a176.2831853071796) end: out a1p4 if kint = 7 goto redo kint = kint + 1 goto endinst redo: kint = 1 endinst: endin i1 0 3 14000 7 450 360 260 234 623 547 573 e Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03799; 8 Jul 99 7:34 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1127kh-0003RT-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:33:47 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA05959); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:31:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:30:55 +0100 Received: from ares.flash.net [209.30.0.41] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA13235); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 07:30:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from bigfoot.com (p238-123.atnt3.dialup.ftw1.flash.net [209.30.238.123]) by ares.flash.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23767 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:30:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <37844675.59DB848B@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 01:34:29 -0500 From: pete moss Organization: pete moss GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: compiling with borland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk has anyone tried to compile with the borland compiler? are there extensive changes to be made to make it compile? please let me know your experiences, privately if possible. :P Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05697; 8 Jul 99 11:57 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112BrU-0003dC-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:57:04 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA05121); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:51:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:51:23 +0100 Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA00112); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:50:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from intercom.es (iv2-44.intercom.es [195.76.206.44]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA18859; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:55:38 +0100 Message-ID: <37847E2C.9CE6B5F6@intercom.es> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 12:32:12 +0200 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craig-routt@usa.net CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: HELLO EVERYONE I'M USING CAPITOL LETTERS AGAIN References: <378425B5.C40D7A37@usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id LAA00112 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Of course you can always recode your plucked instrument with more primitive opcodes, thus you=B4re not limited by anyone=B4s preconceptions= of how a waveguide plucked string should be implemented. I have some of them at my homepage at tripod. Hope that=B4ll help, Josep M craig-routt@usa.net wrote: > i know i'm being redundant but i've got this vision > > about pluck that it needs to be frequency modulated > > in the time domain. -- Josep M Comajuncosas C/ Circumval.lacio 75 08790 Gelida - Penedes Catalunya - SPAIN tel. 93 7792243 e-mail: gelida@intercom.es ET Informatica de Sistemes e-mail: jcomajuncosas@campus.uoc.es http://members.tripod.com/csound/ Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06451; 8 Jul 99 16:17 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112Fvw-0002Xg-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:17:56 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA17400); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:14:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:14:19 +0100 Received: from mail2.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.104] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA12375); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:14:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from ppp-026.m2-1.bra.ican.net ([142.154.16.26] helo=bigfoot.com) by mail2.tor.accglobal.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 112FsJ-0005pn-02; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3784C020.D4055A26@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:13:36 -0400 From: Brandon Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matt J. Ingalls" CC: csound Subject: Re: Problem with CSound PPC front-end References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Matt, I have only one version of Perf on my system at one time, on any partition. I have just rebuilt all of my drives, and I'm still getting the same problem. I got a message from another CSound user who claimed to have the same trouble, and said changing the default directories helped. It doesn't seem to help me though. Unfortunately there are no other specifics to report, it consistently won't run Perf. Brandon "Matt J. Ingalls" wrote: > > hmm... > > i would first do a search and see if there are any copys or older versions > of "Perf" laying around and trash those. > > also try rebuilding the desktop (restart with option-cmmd buttons pressed) > > are you virus-free? > > ill take a look into it more. let me know if those do anything. > any more specifics you notice would help too. > > thnaks, > matt > > On -1 xxx -1, Brandon Nelson wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've been having trouble lately getting CSound to work; when I click > > "render" in the front end, nothing happens (Perf doesn't launch). It > > seemed to be working before, then in would work "sometimes" (for > > instance, if I launched Perf and then clicked "Open CSound"), now the > > front end never launches Perf. > > > > I've tried this with CSound 1.2 and both Perf versions 3.54 and 3.55, > > and get the same result. > > > > I'm running MacOS 8.6, with 64 meg of RAM. Any clue what might be > > causing this? > > > > Brandon Nelson > > > > -- > > brandon_nelson@bigfoot.com ICQ: 11617296 > > -- brandon_nelson@bigfoot.com ICQ: 11617296 Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07013; 8 Jul 99 20:24 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112JlS-0003vO-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:23:22 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (UAA15276); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:21:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:21:05 +0100 Received: from mail2.tor.accglobal.net [204.92.55.104] by hermes via ESMTP (UAA01989); Thu, 8 Jul 1999 20:21:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from ppp-029.m2-1.bra.ican.net ([142.154.16.29] helo=bigfoot.com) by mail2.tor.accglobal.net with esmtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 112Jj9-0000Qh-02; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:21:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3784F9F6.5F390888@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:20:23 -0400 From: Brandon Nelson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound CC: "Matt J. Ingalls" , ntuplet@aol.com Subject: Re: Problem with CSound PPC front-end Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Op... looks like the problem is solved by selecting "Reset All Options/Settings" in the Preferences menu. Maybe a problem with my preferences file? Brandon -- brandon_nelson@bigfoot.com ICQ: 11617296 Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07458; 9 Jul 99 1:06 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112OBt-0002hH-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:06:57 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA12950); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:04:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:04:19 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [12.23.152.10] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA12397); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 01:04:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (dial31.werewolf.net [12.23.153.31]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA19946 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:51:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000701bec99f$a2689ae0$1f99170c@default> From: Hans Mikelson To: Csound Subject: Reverb Orc/Sco available Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:11:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I have created some new reverbs based on multple feedback variable delays and placed them at: http://www.werewolf.net/~hljmm/csound/reverb.orc http://www.werewolf.net/~hljmm/csound/reverb2.sco Let me know what you think. These should be capable of producing nice smooth dense reverbs without metallic ringing. They are a little slow. The pareq's could be adjusted to account for different materials. I think they may be too big to post but if you do not have web access and would like a copy let me know. Bye, Hans Mikelson Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07782; 9 Jul 99 5:50 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112Sbx-00049g-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:50:09 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA04232); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:35:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:35:43 +0100 Received: from nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.23.22] by hermes via SMTP (FAA17648); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:35:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 9007 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 1999 04:35:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709043550.9006.qmail@nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.22 by nwcst277 via web-mailer() on Fri Jul 9 04:35:50 GMT 1999 Date: 8 Jul 99 22:35:50 MDT From: craig routt To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: no caps this time. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer () Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Josep M Comajuncosas wrote: Of course you can always recode your plucked instrument with more primitive opcodes, thus you=B4re not limited by anyone=B4s preconceptions= of how a waveguide plucked string should be implemented. I have some of them at my homepage at tripod. Hope that=B4ll help, Josep M craig-routt@usa.net wrote: > i know i'm being redundant but i've got this vision > > about pluck that it needs to be frequency modulated > > in the time domain. -- Josep M Comajuncosas C/ Circumval.lacio 75 08790 Gelida - Penedes Catalunya - SPAIN tel. 93 7792243 e-mail: gelida@intercom.es ET Informatica de Sistemes e-mail: jcomajuncosas@campus.uoc.es http://members.tripod.com/csound/ hi = how are you today? i was thinking in terms of re writing the source code where you would have an interpolator that i could sort of = borrow from the ftable . then just sweep the read back and forth across the buffer defined to = contain the interpolator is what i had visualized as a new opcode. something not too difficult for a guy who is working on his first wear of electronics math and electronics , with a bit of basic and some = c thrown in. thank you for your orc. but i'm shure i'm on to something new. maybe? wish me luck ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07812; 9 Jul 99 6:13 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112Sy2-0002q4-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:12:58 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (GAA18436); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:04:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:04:17 +0100 Received: from relay05.netaddress.usa.net [204.68.24.185] by hermes via SMTP (GAA08379); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:04:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 28499 invoked from network); 9 Jul 1999 05:04:14 -0000 Received: from nw175.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.75) by outbound.netaddress.usa.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 1999 05:04:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 10812 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jul 1999 05:04:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990709050414.10811.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.75 by nw175 via web-mailer() on Fri Jul 9 05:04:14 GMT 1999 Date: 8 Jul 99 23:04:14 MDT From: craig routt To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: [[OT] Languages / Re: Proposal for a new version of Csound] X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer () Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Larry Troxler wrote: Bob Hays, Computer Geek wrote: > = > > I'm surprised by the emotional depth of this discussion about C > > versis C++, which is distracting the discussion away from the merits = of my > proposal to > > rewrite the kernel of Csound. > = > Computer languages, like operating systems, are religious issues, and h= ence > it is quite understandable that people would wage religious war over th= eir > favorite. > = Oh, here we go again . To most normal people, Computer languages are not religious issues! However, we do enjoy discussing pros and cons of various languages. In fact, to me, the reason I enjoy discussing the merits and drawbacks of specific languages is precisely to avoid* turning the language into a religious (read "irrational") issue! An off-topic language discussion/debate doesn't equate to languages being a religious issue! Well, now, that I'm completely off topic, I'll just say bye :-) Larry hi = i agree with you about csound being a thing which is shared most passionately and allmost religeously. would you enjoy rewriting pluck with me? i can visualize how to do this with bucket brigades. you run the outputs of two buckets into each others input following the = convention laid down by en ( or perhaps it was pop electronics) a couple = = of months ago. use a vco as a clock input to sr. then fm the clock with a bit of feedback signal. to do this with the pluck ? = hmmm. craig ____________________________________________________________________ Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07844; 9 Jul 99 6:38 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112TLm-0004AJ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:37:30 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (GAA15246); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:34:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:34:40 +0100 Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (GAA03026); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:34:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from seanet.com (cy24.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.136.24]) by mx.seanet.com (8.9.3/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA04262; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37858B6A.AC788697@seanet.com> Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 22:40:58 -0700 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: craig routt CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: [[OT] Languages / Re: Proposal for a new version of Csound] References: <19990709050414.10811.qmail@nw175.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk craig routt wrote: > you run the outputs of two buckets into each others input following the > convention laid down by en ( or perhaps it was pop electronics) a couple > of months ago. Are you refering to an Electronotes article here? I have all the issues up through 1997; have there been any new issues? > use a vco as a clock input to sr. Unfortunately, I can't think of any computer that can implement true multiple, variable sampling rates, such as you would have with a VCO modulating a delay clock input. We are forced to deal with using a single sampling rate, and working around it with various forms of interpolation. This is frustrating when coming from an analog perspective, but it is just the cold hard facts. > then fm the clock with a bit of feedback signal. Now, THIS you can do with Csound. Just create your own pluck orchestra, out of a delayr/delayw pair, and using deltapi for the main pluck tone, with a simple tone filter in the feedback loop. You may find, however, that FMing the pluck delay line itself yields somewhat unsatisfactory results, as the "ring" time will be tied in with the length of the delay line, and rapidly changing the delay time will do strange things. I would recommend using a second delay after the pluck sound, and modulating the length of the second delay. This will give you an FM sound that does not affect the basic response time of the pluck sound. You can have the output of the second delay modulating the delay time of the second delay (make sure sr=kr, which holds true for all feedback-type orchestras). For some work along the lines you are describing, check out Tim Stilson's paper, "General Weirdness with the Karplus-Strong String," at http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/~stilti/papers/Welcome.html Another suggestion: Try using a frequency shifter in the feedback loop, or after the output of the pluck. The frequency shifter can be modulated at audio rates to produce some very nice FM sounds. See the hilbert opcode documentation for info on how to set this up. Hope this is useful, Sean Costello Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08092; 9 Jul 99 9:47 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112WJD-0002u9-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:47:03 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA17634); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:41 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212] by hermes via ESMTP (JAA11300); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from modem-29.iodine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.26.29] helo=internetpc) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112WFv-0000xc-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003301bec9e7$5f4c0b00$1d1a883e@internetpc> From: richard bowers To: csound csound Subject: Audio file lengths Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:45:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Can anyone offer me a solution to obtaining the duration (if possible) or file size of an audio file stored on disk from within a instrument? I feel it would be useful to know the duration of a file to make better use of - and prevent errors when using - the skiptime on the soundin/diskin ugs. Thanks, Richard Bowers. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08171; 9 Jul 99 10:33 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112X1A-0004Hw-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:32:28 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (KAA03617); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:30:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:30:03 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.30.146] by hermes via ESMTP (KAA11663); Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:30:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [194.109.140.74] (dc2-modem3146.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.74]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA22558 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 11:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199907090930.LAA22558@smtp3.xs4all.nl> Subject: new user and a few problems Date: Fri, 9 Jul 99 11:40:10 +0000 x-sender: gml@pop.xs4all.nl x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: vanDongen/Gilcher To: csound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've been programming in Csound for about 10 days now, CSound PPC 3.51 on a macintosh. I've finished a few random beat-generating instruments that generate a p-field specified number of 'hits' within it's on-time, and quantizes them according to a p-field specified beat subdivision. Also a global tempo instrument which does pretty much what the t command does in the score, but also generates a gktempo that can be used by other instruments (for instance the quantization in the random instrument. I've sitched to a spreadsheet program for generating the scores, wich works really well. There are however a few opcodes in the manual that are not recoginized by csound: 1) the x-class noise generators in the init variety (Ihaven'T tried the k and a rates yet.) f.i. inumber ilinrand 100 is not recognized. 2)wgpluck2 always results in the message that there are too few parameters 3)doscil isn't recognized Another strange effect excists when using nlfilt in an instrument where a global a-rate variable is assigned some value (not necessarily the output ar nlfilt ain,ka,kb,kd,kL,kC When ka or kb <=0 there is no sound generated after the first (I think) ksmps burst (there is only short tick. There is also an upper bound I think somewhere around 5. This effect (bug) doesn't happen when there is no ga variable present in the instrument. Also, I think in the manual the kL and kC values are swapped in the examples (the results were more interesting anyway) I would like to hear more about how this filter works. Can anybody post a webadress where I can find the original article mentioned in the manual. But csound is certainly fun to work with.