Re: uuencode (was Some synth strings)

Date	1999-10-22 14:40
From	Varga István
Subject	Re: uuencode (was Some synth strings)
	"Hans Mikelson" wrote: > Thanks for the help Eloy, that worked for me. Thanks for the strings Varga, > they sound great! I tried the same with the maximizer but it didn't work. > I got it to uudecode but I'm not sure about the .bz2 format? Alladin > Expander and Winzip don't seem to like it. (Even if I change the extension You can get a (rather old) win95 version of bzip2 from here: ftp://ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de/pub/msdos/mirrors/stuba/pc/pack/bzip2w95.zip This program works for me. Usage: decompress: bzip2 -d maximizer-1.0.tar.bz2 (will create the file maximizer-1.0.tar) test (checks CRC): bzip2 -vt maximizer-1.0.tar.bz2 You need a C compiler to compile the program; if you have gcc (cygwin32 for win95), the program can be compiled by: gcc -Wall -O3 -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -funroll-loops \ main.c -o maximizer.exe -s -lm Since it is written in ansi C, most other compilers should work as well. (only compile the file "main.c", it includes the others; there is no Makefile) Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20523; 22 Oct 99 15:01 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eeIw-0008Dz-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:00:22 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA1572921); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:58:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:57:32 +0100 Received: from fm2.freemail.hu [194.38.105.12] by hermes via SMTP (OAA1614864); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:57:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 17877 invoked by uid 339175); 22 Oct 1999 13:57:29 -0000 Date: 22 Oct 1999 13:57:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19991022135729.17876.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: uuencode (was Some synth strings) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk "Hans Mikelson" wrote: > to .gz) I'll try getting the drums to decode next. I have unpacked the drums on W95 succesfully. Here is how to do it: 1. Get the file ftp://ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk/pub/dream/Csound_List_Archive/Csound.846.gz 2. ungzip it with WinZip 3. Edit Csound.846 with edit.exe (this program can handle unix text files); put the 3 encoded parts together, the first line should be "begin-base64" and "====" the last. (note: part 3 was accidentally sent twice) 4. Save it as "drums.uue" 5. Open "drums.uue" with WinZip, extract the encoded file and rename it to drums3.tar.gz 6. Unpack drums3.tar.gz with WinZip. 7. Compile the instruments :) (btw. I recommend using "make" for unix/linux users) This may seem to be complicated, but in fact it took me about 1-2 minutes to unpack the archive (definitely faster than correcting line wraps in >100K orc/sco code). Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21874; 22 Oct 99 15:40 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11efsF-0006nC-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:40:55 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA1591140); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:37:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:37:05 +0100 Received: from fm3.freemail.hu [194.38.105.13] by hermes via SMTP (PAA1614452); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:37:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 3241 invoked by uid 339175); 22 Oct 1999 14:37:02 -0000 Date: 22 Oct 1999 14:37:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19991022143702.3240.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: New site From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I am creating a web site to upload stuff (instruments, samples, utilities etc.), it will be available next week. Check http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Bit/5683/index.html (it is empty yet, I will upload the files next Monday) Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21939; 22 Oct 99 16:09 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11efMh-0008GH-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:08:19 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA1582084); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:01:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:01:03 +0100 Received: from [208.207.16.31] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA1550334); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:01:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from nmol.com (unverified [208.221.109.51]) by usamail.texasonline.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.1.180) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:08:52 -0500 Message-ID: <38107A39.4A08B6B6@nmol.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:52:42 -0600 From: Mike Berry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: toot1 of tutorial finally toots References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 'snd' resources were/are used on Mac's for system sounds and very short sounds associated with apps. It is a mixed format which contains PCM (audio data) and/or synthesizer playback instructions. They are stored in the resource fork. However, the resource fork is not a suitable location (for a variety of programming reasons) for large (>32k) chunks of data. One reason is that resources can only be loaded as complete blocks of memory, and 68k Macs could only easily load <32k of memory at a time, because the memory addresses were only 16 bit numbers. 32k is only .185 seconds of 44.1/16bit audio, which, as you can imagine, would severely limit your csound (or any audio) composing. For this reason, Apple created the AIFF file format (which actually significantly predates QuickTime). The AIFF data was stored in the data fork, for which the only logical limit was the available space on your hard drive. Furthermore, the data fork can be accessed in little chunks, so that an application did not have to read the entire file into memory just to play it. At its simplest, an AIFF file is 54 bytes of header info and all of the sound samples, though the files can store many other types of data as well (such as MIDI instrument numbers, copyright infor, etc...). You mentioned SoundHack, which is probably the premiere sound format utility for the Mac. AIFF files may have sound data at any sample rate and at 8 bit, 16 bit, 24 bit, 32 bit integers and 32 bit floats, as well as compressed data. Not all of these will be readable by all applications. I understand that you are using a 68k Mac, so the auto-playback ability in CsoundPPC is not available to you. You might look on the web for EasyAIFF (which used to be bundled with CSoundPPC) which is a very simple AIFF file player. Hope this explains some things. -- Mike Berry mikeb@nmol.com http://www.nmol.com/users/mikeb Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa22068; 22 Oct 99 16:54 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eh1l-0006pq-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:54:49 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA1587374); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:50:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:49:44 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA1583519); Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:49:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.99.25] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11efzN-0008IX-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:48:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:49:40 +0100 Message-Id: <8582-Fri22Oct1999164940+0100-jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 20.4.1 (via feedmail 8 I) From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: A test message Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk As James Andrews will shortly be leaving Exeter it has become necessary for the Csound Mailing List to be moved. All being well the change will be early next week, but this message is bother a warning and a test. I am sending it to both the old address and the new address, so you should see it twice. If you only get it once please mail me (jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk) so I can investigate. This new system is run by some software called EZMLM and I have it configured as subscriber-only submission. I will be arranging that the digest readers can also submit messages directly as soon as I have understood that part of the manual... I would like to take this opportunity to thank James for setting up and minding the list over the years. ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa22096; 22 Oct 99 16:59 BST Received: from [138.38.32.81] (helo=mercury.bath.ac.uk ident=qmailr) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eh6D-0006q5-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:59:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 18562 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 15:57:03 -0000 Received: from amos.bath.ac.uk (qmailr@138.38.32.36) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 15:57:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 25558 invoked by uid 1457); 22 Oct 1999 15:56:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact csound-help@lists.bath.ac.uk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Delivered-To: mailing list csound@lists.bath.ac.uk Received: (qmail 25550 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 15:56:42 -0000 Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (138.38.32.2) by amos.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 15:56:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12909 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 15:56:41 -0000 Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk (exim@138.38.100.104) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 15:56:41 -0000 Received: from [138.38.99.25] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eg66-0008Ix-00 for csound@lists.bath.AC.UK; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:55:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:53:24 +0100 Message-Id: <3099-Fri22Oct1999165324+0100-jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 20.4.1 (via feedmail 8 Q) From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: csound@lists.bath.AC.UK Subject: A test message (new version) Sender: j.p.ffitch@maths.bath.ac.uk Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. As James Andrews will shortly be leaving Exeter it has become necessary for the Csound Mailing List to be moved. All being well the change will be early next week, but this message is bother a warning and a test. I am sending it to both the old address and the new address, so you should see it twice. If you only get it once please mail me (jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk) so I can investigate. This new system is run by some software called EZMLM and I have it configured as subscriber-only submission. I will be arranging that the digest readers can also submit messages directly as soon as I have understood that part of the manual... I would like to take this opportunity to thank James for setting up and minding the list over the years. ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa22151; 22 Oct 99 17:15 BST Received: from [138.38.32.81] (helo=mercury.bath.ac.uk ident=qmailr) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ehM6-0006qi-00 for j.p.ffitch@maths.bath.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:15:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 19306 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 15:58:25 -0000 Received: from amos.bath.ac.uk (qmailr@138.38.32.36) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 15:58:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25558 invoked by uid 1457); 22 Oct 1999 15:56:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact csound-help@lists.bath.ac.uk; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Delivered-To: mailing list csound@lists.bath.ac.uk Received: (qmail 25550 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 15:56:42 -0000 Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (138.38.32.2) by amos.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 15:56:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 12909 invoked from network); 22 Oct 1999 15:56:41 -0000 Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk (exim@138.38.100.104) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 22 Oct 1999 15:56:41 -0000 Received: from [138.38.99.25] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eg66-0008Ix-00 for csound@lists.bath.AC.UK; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:55:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 16:53:24 +0100 Message-Id: <3099-Fri22Oct1999165324+0100-jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 20.4.1 (via feedmail 8 Q) From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: csound@lists.bath.AC.UK Subject: A test message (new version) Sender: j.p.ffitch@maths.bath.ac.uk Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. As James Andrews will shortly be leaving Exeter it has become necessary for the Csound Mailing List to be moved. All being well the change will be early next week, but this message is bother a warning and a test. I am sending it to both the old address and the new address, so you should see it twice. If you only get it once please mail me (jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk) so I can investigate. This new system is run by some software called EZMLM and I have it configured as subscriber-only submission. I will be arranging that the digest readers can also submit messages directly as soon as I have understood that part of the manual... I would like to take this opportunity to thank James for setting up and minding the list over the years. ==John ffitch -- To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23777; 23 Oct 99 9:01 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ew6n-0007hM-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:01:02 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA1709572); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:47:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:47:21 +0100 Received: from root@solar.sky.net [209.90.0.4] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA1548625); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:47:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from [209.90.4.73] (ts-1-ip9.kc.sky.net [209.90.4.73]) by sky.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA15300; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:43:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Sender: merideth@sky.net (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38107A39.4A08B6B6@nmol.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:46:37 -0600 To: Mike Berry , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk From: Merideth Johnston Subject: Re: toot1 of tutorial finally toots Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks much, Mike, that was very helpful. I'm tooting along quite well now using QT4's Player, and I think it will work just fine for this purpose. Too bad neither Csound or QT Player are scriptable apps, eh? 8-) I did have a problem with toot8 and toot9, though, as Csound does not seem to be able to recognize the file soundin.aiff which was included in the tutorial. It is a valid file, and plays just fine in QT Player. I'm sure I can make do without it, but I'd like to have these samples all work if possible. When I try to select the file, it is not listed as a possible selection, acts as if it isn't even there. (those are the toots that use a sound file as input and refer to it in the script) What exactly is it looking for that it isn't getting with the soundin.aiff file? Merideth merideth@sky.net ;)-{8-->= li'l wimyn @-{--E= http://www.sky.net/~merideth/ - visit my poetry page & art gallery http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9311 - genealogy site http://www.anyboard.net/arts/artnpoetry/index.html - Art & Poetry Message Board * * * * - - - - - - -- -- -- --- --- --- ---- ---- ---- ----- ----- -----<>]====- * * * * If you don't have fuel or sufficient runway for the kind of plane you're in, you aren't going to get off the ground any better than you would by flapping your arms. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23857; 23 Oct 99 10:17 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11exIZ-0007i1-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:17:15 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA1454273); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:52:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:52:14 +0100 Received: from front1.grolier.fr [194.158.96.51] by hermes via ESMTP (JAA1590166); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:52:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from club-internet.fr (telehouse-230-29.club-internet.fr [195.36.230.29]) by front1.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with ESMTP id KAA08599; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:52:04 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3811949A.D0ADD8FA@club-internet.fr> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:57:30 +0000 From: "K.H" Reply-To: karmha@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Merideth Johnston CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: toot1 of tutorial finally toots References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello If you want to use a soundfile forCsound, for soundin opcode, you should put the sound file in a folder (ex: samples) and choose the correct path to this file in (choose "default directories..." if you are using CsoundPPC). That's all. For loscil, it's the same, except that loscil looks for a ftable using GEN01 which loads the soundfile. good Csounding karim Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23918; 23 Oct 99 11:22 BST Received: from [194.172.230.108] (helo=nett.irt.de) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eyJt-0007iW-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:22:41 +0100 Received: from ppp20 (ppp-serv1.irt.de [192.168.5.71]) by nett.irt.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08979; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:22:31 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: <38119063.268D@irt.de> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:39:31 +0200 From: Jens Groh Reply-To: groh@irt.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes in delayr/delayw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John ffitch wrote: > I have seen a report that the change made to delayr and delayw to give > better nesting of delay lines means that the well-known xanadu > orchestra fails. Unfortunately I cannot remember exactly what was > done, or when. If anyone can enlighten me I would be grateful (a > failure of my ChangeLog i am afraid). Anyway, I am not sure what to > do about this. > Thoughts? > ==John ffitch Hello list, hello John! Unfortunately, you are right. It was me who wanted and who programmed the changes. They were meant to improve interleaving (I wouldn't say nesting) delayr/delayw pairs. But I had not thought that it might make sense to access the delay line data from _outside_ the delayr/delayw pair. Seemingly it does, as Xanadu.orc shows. I'm sorry about that. With my changes, there is a mechanism to associate a deltap(i) opcode with the right delayw opcode at init-time. It keeps track which delay line is the current one by validating a delay line reference with delayr and invalidating it with delayw. After the last delayw (and before the first delayr) there is no current delay line, and trying to access one is interpreted as error. That's what breaks the Xanadu orchestra. I'm trying to find a solution which makes Xanadu.orc and similar ones work as they did before without sacrificing the new possibilities. Please, give me a little time before you decide to undo the changes. So long, Jens Groh Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23947; 23 Oct 99 11:46 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11exiy-0000rl-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:44:32 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA1634617); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:23:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:22:42 +0100 Received: from zit-108.irt.de [194.172.230.108] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA1715273); Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:22:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from ppp20 (ppp-serv1.irt.de [192.168.5.71]) by nett.irt.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA08979; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:22:31 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: <38119063.268D@irt.de> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:39:31 +0200 From: Jens Groh Reply-To: groh@irt.de X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Changes in delayr/delayw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk John ffitch wrote: > I have seen a report that the change made to delayr and delayw to give > better nesting of delay lines means that the well-known xanadu > orchestra fails. Unfortunately I cannot remember exactly what was > done, or when. If anyone can enlighten me I would be grateful (a > failure of my ChangeLog i am afraid). Anyway, I am not sure what to > do about this. > Thoughts? > ==John ffitch Hello list, hello John! Unfortunately, you are right. It was me who wanted and who programmed the changes. They were meant to improve interleaving (I wouldn't say nesting) delayr/delayw pairs. But I had not thought that it might make sense to access the delay line data from _outside_ the delayr/delayw pair. Seemingly it does, as Xanadu.orc shows. I'm sorry about that. With my changes, there is a mechanism to associate a deltap(i) opcode with the right delayw opcode at init-time. It keeps track which delay line is the current one by validating a delay line reference with delayr and invalidating it with delayw. After the last delayw (and before the first delayr) there is no current delay line, and trying to access one is interpreted as error. That's what breaks the Xanadu orchestra. I'm trying to find a solution which makes Xanadu.orc and similar ones work as they did before without sacrificing the new possibilities. Please, give me a little time before you decide to undo the changes. So long, Jens Groh