Re: CSound/Cecilia on MkLinux

Date	1998-11-24 12:41
From	Jean Piche
Subject	Re: CSound/Cecilia on MkLinux
	Michal Seta wrote: > > Hi all. > > First: Cecilia doesn't wanna run in MkLinux. Says "cannot execute > binary file". Any ideas? > > second, has anyone here tried MkLinux to run Csound (or any > music/audio app for that matter??? > > How about LinuxPPC ? > > I run into some problems that seem to be Mac-linux-port specific so > it'd be good get in touch with some other MkLinux user who does more > or less the same thing. > > So far it look that I'm the only one ... I am very iuntersted in making Cecilia run on MkLinux... Dont have a system yet... but there is no reason that it would not run... First, you would probably have to compile tcl/tk on MkLinux. -- ________________________________________________________ Jean Piche Universite de Montreal http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/electro/CEC/ Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07898; 24 Nov 98 15:55 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziKnx-0005Kd-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:55:05 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA04880); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:49:24 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:49:07 GMT Received: from mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA22840); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:48:56 GMT Received: from donner.Dartmouth.EDU (donner.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.3]) by mailhub.dartmouth.edu (8.8.8+DND/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA09930; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:47:22 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <16037461@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 24 Nov 98 10:47:20 EST From: "Matt J. Ingalls" Subject: beOS To: g.maldonado@agora.stm.it, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, "Douglas I. Repetto" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --- You wrote: What are the benefits of BeOS about the AUDIO in comparison with the other OS? --- end of quote --- well this is based on my recent experience transitioning from mac programming to beOS programming: -Be is selling itself as the "mediaOS" (http://www.be.com/products/beos_tour/screen3.html) -you can get real-time sound in/out with about 10 lines of code instead of 1000's (as in mac) thats enough reason right there for me. -more on user level: the multi-threaded audio/midi/? streams let applications easily pass audio and control messages -- latest BeOS versions let you "mix" all currently running sound apps, and ive heard rumors of having an "effects" stream, so (to use current commercial metaphors) you can have a bunch of running sound applications all patched into eachother, essentially each app becomes a "plug-in" to the OS's sound manager. -on top of that, BeOS is just a simple, elegant OS (no legacy code garbage) that runs on PPCs(except G3s) and Intel boxes , and is not Microsoft or Apple. - since we as csound users are used to being marginalized anyway, i would encourage everyone to check it out and consider Be-ing --- im really trying to move in that direction for all my "personal" projects -matt Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08239; 24 Nov 98 17:50 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziMbs-0006kV-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:50:44 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA26559); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:43:50 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:43:37 GMT Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA26626); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:43:35 GMT Received: from seanet.com (ab26.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.134.26]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16946; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:42:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <365AF0A6.5D6B88B4@seanet.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 09:45:10 -0800 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matt J. Ingalls" CC: g.maldonado@agora.stm.it, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, "Douglas I. Repetto" Subject: Re: beOS References: <16037461@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all: A search of Altavista for +beos +csound turned up the following site: http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/Csound/Server.html Apparently this is the second port of Csound to BeOS. Sean Costello Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08742; 24 Nov 98 21:12 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziPkt-0006td-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:12:15 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA27568); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:09:15 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:09:05 GMT Received: from jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9] by hermes via SMTP (VAA03679); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:09:05 GMT Received: (qmail 7722 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1998 21:06:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cableinet.co.uk) (194.117.146.190) by jaguars with SMTP; 24 Nov 1998 21:06:17 -0000 Message-ID: <365B1FA9.E0F1E843@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:05:45 +0000 From: Richard Dobson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: beOS References: <16037461@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, you just snuck in that small detail, didn't you, that says so much to me! Surely BeOS not running on G3s must be a short-term situation? I am toying with the idea of getting a Macintosh for CDP work, and a G3 seemed a reasonable affordable choice (but not quite yet). I guess I will have to settle for running it on my forthcoming PII machine. Sigh. Perhass this explains why Apple seems to be plugging G3s above everything else, these days? Richard Dobson "Matt J. Ingalls" wrote: > > -on top of that, BeOS is just a simple, elegant OS (no legacy code garbage) that > runs on > PPCs(except G3s) and Intel boxes , and is not Microsoft or Apple. > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08794; 24 Nov 98 21:33 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziQ5q-0006uf-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:33:54 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA00391); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:27:25 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:27:15 GMT Received: from [152.175.33.2] by hermes via SMTP (VAA03291); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:27:14 GMT Received: from [207.241.61.107] (poolf11-042.wwa.com [207.241.61.107]) by web04b.farm.aol.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id QAA19869 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:26:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199811242126.QAA19869@web04b.farm.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 15:44:25 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk From: =cw4t7abs Subject: Re: beOS Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Well, you just snuck in that small detail, didn't you, that says so much to >me! >Surely BeOS not running on G3s must be a short-term situation? I am toying >with the idea of getting a Macintosh for CDP work, and a G3 seemed a >reasonable affordable choice (but not quite yet). perm!t zom1 2 zm!le. az opozd 2 +? p2. s0ls0l. >I guess I will have to >settle for running it on my forthcoming PII machine. Sigh. > >Perhass this explains why Apple seems to be plugging G3s above everything >else, these days? beoz = h!pe++ Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08942; 24 Nov 98 22:34 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziR2t-0006xa-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:34:55 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA23950); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:33:42 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:33:30 GMT Received: from mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA17856); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:33:22 GMT Received: from donner.Dartmouth.EDU (donner.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.3]) by mailhub.dartmouth.edu (8.8.8+DND/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA04028; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:32:03 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <16060969@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 24 Nov 98 17:32:03 EST From: "Matt J. Ingalls" Subject: Re: beOS To: rwd@cableinet.co.uk Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk --- You wrote: Surely BeOS not running on G3s must be a short-term situation? --- end of quote --- last i h(ear)d apple refused to license G3 spec -- which i would assume means decreasing support/use of ppc and increasing Intel support/develop -matt Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08964; 24 Nov 98 22:43 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziRBM-0006xz-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:43:40 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA18723); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:36 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:25 GMT Received: from web04b.farm.aol.com [152.175.33.2] by hermes via SMTP (WAA06042); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:42:24 GMT Received: from [207.241.61.107] (poolf11-042.wwa.com [207.241.61.107]) by web04b.farm.aol.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id RAA23924 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:41:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199811242241.RAA23924@web04b.farm.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:59:36 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk From: =cw4t7abs Subject: Re: beOS Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >--- You wrote: >Surely BeOS not running on G3s must be a short-term situation? >--- end of quote --- > >last i h(ear)d apple refused to license G3 spec -- pres!zl! - due 2 appl = !ntell!gent >which i would assume >means decreasing support/use of ppc and increasing Intel support/develop dzat waz alread! talk!ng plasz due 2 beos <=> m!kroschaft phpz konzult beos h!ztor! 4 s!m!lr eventz Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09003; 24 Nov 98 23:10 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziRax-0005mP-00; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:10:07 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA10823); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:45 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:35 GMT Received: from falcon.glas.apc.org [193.124.5.54] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA13019); Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:08:34 GMT Received: from mail.glas.apc.org([193.124.5.37]) (1782 bytes) by falcon.glas.apc.org via sendmail with P:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:inet_zone_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:08:35 +0300 (WSU) (Smail-3.2.0.103 1998-Oct-9 #3 built DST-Oct-20) Received: from default(src addr [194.154.91.41]) (1405 bytes) by mail.glas.apc.org via sendmail with P\:esmtp/R:smart_host/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:08:24 +0300 (WSU) (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #11 built DST-Aug-25) Message-Id: From: Sergey Batov To: Csound Mail-list Subject: photo of Barry Vercoe and Richard Boulange Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:08:15 +0300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear Csounders! Not long ago I discovered Csound for myself. My impressions were very deep and strong so I decided to introduce it to people in Russia. Many of them really can do good interest things, but they have not enough information. For example, nobody of my friends-musicians who use computers for music knows anything about Csound! Well, now I wrote an article for one popular computer magazine in Russia, and they are going to publish it. But there is some problem: I placed there photos of Barry Vercoe and Richard Boulange from their sites, but this pictures have not enough quality for purposes of polygraphy. Can, please, anybody help me? I need any good (not small !) scaned photos of mr. Vercoe and mr. Boulange in non-compressed format, the 'tiff' is preferable. If somebody send me right pictures I promise to refer to him (her) in my article. Thank you, Sergey Batov batov@glasnet.ru Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09302; 25 Nov 98 2:29 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziUi2-0005wl-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:29:38 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA02454); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:27:01 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:26:51 GMT Received: from mercury.acs.unt.edu [129.120.220.1] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA21205); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:26:49 GMT Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu (0@jove.acs.unt.edu [129.120.220.41]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24681; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:26:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from [129.120.17.112] (LabPC81307.art.unt.edu [129.120.17.112]) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01172; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:26:38 -0600 (CST) From: Micheal Allen Thompson Reply-To: mat0001@jove.acs.unt.edu To: "Matt J. Ingalls" cc: g.maldonado@agora.stm.it, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, "Douglas I. Repetto" Subject: Re: beOS In-Reply-To: <16037461@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:32:40 +0000 Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for MacPPC Version 4.1.1 Build (16) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On 24 Nov 98 10:47:20 EST "Matt J. Ingalls" wrote: > --- You wrote: > What are the benefits of BeOS about the AUDIO in comparison with the other OS? > --- end of quote --- > > well this is based on my recent experience transitioning from mac programming > to beOS programming: > > -Be is selling itself as the "mediaOS" > (http://www.be.com/products/beos_tour/screen3.html) > > -you can get real-time sound in/out with about 10 lines of code instead of > 1000's (as in mac) thats enough reason right there for me. > > -more on user level: the multi-threaded audio/midi/? streams let applications > easily pass audio and control messages -- latest BeOS versions let you "mix" all > currently running sound apps, and ive heard rumors of having an "effects" > stream, so (to use > current commercial metaphors) you can have a bunch of running sound applications > all patched into eachother, essentially each app becomes a "plug-in" to the OS's > sound > manager. > > -on top of that, BeOS is just a simple, elegant OS (no legacy code garbage) that > runs on > PPCs(except G3s) and Intel boxes , and is not Microsoft or Apple. > > - since we as csound users are used to being marginalized anyway, i would > encourage > everyone to check it out and consider Be-ing > > --- im really trying to move in that direction for all my "personal" projects I tried to move to BeOS a year ago, just not enought tools at that time and the audio subsystem was less than stable. I dont have a BeOS compatible machine anymore and I am not buying an Intel box unless the BeOS makes it to the PC notebook. michael Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09310; 25 Nov 98 2:31 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziUjl-00079E-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:31:25 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA00840); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:30:13 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:30:02 GMT Received: from mercury.acs.unt.edu [129.120.220.1] by hermes via ESMTP (CAA02256); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 02:30:00 GMT Received: from jove.acs.unt.edu (0@jove.acs.unt.edu [129.120.220.41]) by Mercury.unix.acs.cc.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25217; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:29:44 -0600 (CST) Received: from [129.120.17.112] (LabPC81307.art.unt.edu [129.120.17.112]) by jove.acs.unt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01661; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:29:41 -0600 (CST) From: Micheal Allen Thompson Reply-To: mat0001@jove.acs.unt.edu To: Jean Piche cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, Michal Seta Subject: Re: CSound/Cecilia on MkLinux In-Reply-To: <365AA96E.D2D7E894@umontreal.ca> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:35:43 +0000 Priority: NORMAL X-Mailer: Simeon for MacPPC Version 4.1.1 Build (16) X-Authentication: none MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:41:18 -0500 Jean Piche wrote: > Michal Seta wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > > > First: Cecilia doesn't wanna run in MkLinux. Says "cannot execute > > binary file". Any ideas? > > > > second, has anyone here tried MkLinux to run Csound (or any > > music/audio app for that matter??? > > > > How about LinuxPPC ? > > > > I run into some problems that seem to be Mac-linux-port specific so > > it'd be good get in touch with some other MkLinux user who does more > > or less the same thing. > > > > So far it look that I'm the only one ... > > > I am very iuntersted in making Cecilia run on MkLinux... Dont have a system > yet... but there is no reason that it would not run... First, you would probably > have to compile tcl/tk on MkLinux. TCL/TK already is compiled on mklinux PPC we just need the cecilia binary PPC compatible and it should run fine. Csound is already running on PPC mklinux.... M > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > Jean Piche > Universite de Montreal > http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej > http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/electro/CEC/ Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09456; 25 Nov 98 3:43 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziVro-0007Cb-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:43:48 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA20512); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:41:42 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:41:32 GMT Received: from mb05.swip.net [193.12.122.209] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA24171); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 03:41:31 GMT Received: from dumburk (dialup178-1-15.swipnet.se [130.244.178.15]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id EAA12891 for ; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:41:31 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199811250341.EAA12891@mb05.swip.net> X-Sender: rasmuse@hem.passagen.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Demo Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:48:10 +0100 To: Csound list From: rasmus ekman Subject: Winhelp update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, This time it's also sent to Bath, at ftp://ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk/incoming/. look for WinHelp_for_Csound3493.zip (379.382 bytes). The (or a) Windows help file has been updated. It's available from http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Csound.htm It's usually updated one or two days after each release, though not announced every time (perhaps should). This address is stable, ie pages hosted by free public service and so should be around as long as myself. Still not sure if I can go on using them though, since it's taken more than half an hour to upload those 370 k the last several updates. Free stuff is brilliant, but someone must have swiped half the modem pool during summer... The file can be downloaded at average rate it seems, but if that changes perhaps it might be hosted somewhere nearer the center (bath?). Regards, re Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09834; 25 Nov 98 6:55 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziYrl-0006AO-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:55:57 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (GAA13502); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:54:16 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:54:08 GMT Received: from bbnrel4.hp.com [155.208.254.68] by hermes via ESMTP (GAA26811); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:53:47 GMT Received: from bstde026.bbn.hp.com (bstde026.bbn.hp.com [15.136.78.25]) by bbnrel4.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.5tis) with ESMTP id HAA22859; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:53:50 +0100 (MET) Received: by bstde026.bbn.hp.com (1.39.111.2/16.2+BAMS 4.0 ISO+4.1) id AA045936723; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:52:03 +0100 Message-Id: <199811250652.AA045936723@bstde026.bbn.hp.com> Subject: Re: beOS To: Richard Dobson Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 7:52:03 MET Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <365B1FA9.E0F1E843@cableinet.co.uk>; from "Richard Dobson" at Nov 24, 98 9:05 pm Organization: Hewlett-Packard GmbH From: Jens Kilian Reply-To: Jens_Kilian@bbn.hp.com X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 212.4] Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Well, you just snuck in that small detail, didn't you, that says so much to > me! > Surely BeOS not running on G3s must be a short-term situation? I am toying > with the idea of getting a Macintosh for CDP work, and a G3 seemed a > reasonable affordable choice (but not quite yet). I guess I will have to > settle for running it on my forthcoming PII machine. Sigh. BeOS runs on G3 processors (e.g., in Mac clones - which aren't manufactured any more). It doesn't run on Apple's G3 machines, because Apple refuses to let Be have specifications for the support chips. Greetings, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@acm.org phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351 PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, 0x555DA8B5 BB A2 F0 66 77 75 E1 08 so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09881; 25 Nov 98 7:14 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziZ9M-0007OC-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:14:08 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA27652); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:11:59 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:11:50 GMT Received: from dns2.seanet.com [199.181.164.2] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA11138); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:11:48 GMT Received: from seanet.com (ab39.dialup.seanet.com [207.12.134.39]) by mx.seanet.com (8.8.8/Seanet-8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27121 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:11:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <365BAE4B.168A09CF@seanet.com> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 23:14:19 -0800 From: Sean Costello X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound Subject: Csound Phaser? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi everyone: Has anyone here implemented a phaser in Csound? By phaser, I mean a device that uses several allpass filters in series, with sweepable coefficients, and variable feedback around the allpass chain. The output is the original signal combined with the output of the allpass series, resulting in several notches throughout the frequency spectrum. I have tried a few different implementations, that all blow up in annoying yet amazingly uninteresting ways - no good noises, just a sudden leap in amplitude (i.e. the signal's amplitude goes from the normal range to 4 million to infinity). The stable versions I have tried are pretty boring sounding. If anyone has done this before, or has any pointers, please let me know. I'd love to see your .orc files, or even C code that implements this. (I'm not going to post my orchestras, simply because they seem fundamentally flawed). Thanks, Sean Costello P.S. The only relevant literature I have found is an article by Mike Beigel, "A Digital 'Phase Shifter' for Musical Applications, Using the Bell Labs (Alles-Fischer) Digital Filter Module" in the September 1979 issue of the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society. Semi-interesting trivia: Beigel was one of the founder of Musitronics Corporation, the company behind the great Mutron analog phase shifters. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09940; 25 Nov 98 7:44 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziZd3-0007PT-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:44:49 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA16685); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:42:53 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:42:43 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA04012); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 07:42:40 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp01-08.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.8]) by agora.stm.it (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05220; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:42:35 +0100 (ITA) Message-ID: <365BB641.9E359D@agora.stm.it> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:48:17 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matt J. Ingalls" CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, "Douglas I. Repetto" Subject: Re: beOS References: <16037461@donner.Dartmouth.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What about the C-compilers and high level languages? There is a sort of visual basic in BeOS? Is the C IDE and symbol browser evolved enough (as MSVC)? I'm very interested in BeOS, where can I get a copy for my intel computer in Italy? Happy BeOSing Gab Matt J. Ingalls wrote: > > --- You wrote: > What are the benefits of BeOS about the AUDIO in comparison with the other OS? > --- end of quote --- > > well this is based on my recent experience transitioning from mac programming > to beOS programming: > > -Be is selling itself as the "mediaOS" > (http://www.be.com/products/beos_tour/screen3.html) > > -you can get real-time sound in/out with about 10 lines of code instead of > 1000's (as in mac) thats enough reason right there for me. > > -more on user level: the multi-threaded audio/midi/? streams let applications > easily pass audio and control messages -- latest BeOS versions let you "mix" all > currently running sound apps, and ive heard rumors of having an "effects" > stream, so (to use > current commercial metaphors) you can have a bunch of running sound applications > all patched into eachother, essentially each app becomes a "plug-in" to the OS's > sound > manager. > > -on top of that, BeOS is just a simple, elegant OS (no legacy code garbage) that > runs on > PPCs(except G3s) and Intel boxes , and is not Microsoft or Apple. > > - since we as csound users are used to being marginalized anyway, i would > encourage > everyone to check it out and consider Be-ing > > --- im really trying to move in that direction for all my "personal" projects > > -matt -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10118; 25 Nov 98 10:04 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0ziboA-0006LG-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:04:26 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA05063); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:57:40 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:57:26 GMT Received: from smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236] by hermes via ESMTP (JAA17414); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 09:57:25 GMT Received: from oemcomputer (207-172-91-120.s57.as2.nyb.erols.com [207.172.91.120]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA23283; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:56:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <365BCCAD.71D8@erols.com> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 04:23:57 -0500 From: Paul Winkler Reply-To: zarmzarm@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremiah Thomas Isaacs CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: hello, and questions References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jeremiah Thomas Isaacs wrote: > power. what level of realtime performance has been accomplished on the > newer g3 macs? and is there a big difference in performance from the > 604e-s to the g3 processors? I'd like to know this too-- for my csound benchmark page at: http://members.tripod.com/~slinkP/pw_linux/csbench.html > also, anyone using linuxppc and macos for csound? ive heard rumors of > linuxppc being much faster at some things (than MacOS) on the same > hardware. Michael Seta contributed two benchmarks to my page. The hardware was a PowerPC 7200/120. He tested csound under both Mac OS 8 and MkLinux. The MkLinux version was dramatically faster. However, there are a couple of things to consider: --Csound is CPU and FPU intensive, and different OSes are likely to have fairly marginal effects in those areas. The big difference is likely to be in memory usage, which is not usually that critical for Csound. --Also, the difference reported was about 25%, which could quite possibly be accounted for by the different compilers used for the two Csound versions. This is pure speculation on my part. So I'm skeptical of the idea that Csound is inherently faster under MkLinux than under Mac OS. But unless you have access to a well-optimized Mac C compiler, in practice, maybe MkLinux Csound _is_ faster??? Realtime control, on the other hand, is apparently a thorny problem... I seem to recall various threads on this list in which people said that Mac versions of Csound have a big latency problem, big enough that realtime MIDI control could be very frustrating. Maybe Csound on MkLinux wouldn't have this problem? Has anybody tried it? Certainly Linux Csound on my Pentium 133 doesn't have big latency problems. Regards, PW Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10330; 25 Nov 98 12:38 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 0zieD2-0006XA-00; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:38:16 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA02245); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:29:46 GMT Received: from sunny.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:41:37 GMT Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by sunny via ESMTP (LAA13078); Wed, 25 Nov 1998 11:41:29 GMT Received: from intercom.es (iv1-173.intercom.es [195.76.154.173]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA16561; Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:43:35 +0100 Message-ID: <365BEC86.50496930@intercom.es> Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:39:50 +0100 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Pasquet , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: GENDY??? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by sunny.ex.ac.uk id LAA13078 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Olivier Pasquet wrote: > <<< I sometime (only) think the same thing. Although spectra cannot be > forgotten, there are lots of other representations (...) > These analysis are not obliged to be 100% scientific (natural?) in orde= r to be > usable by > composers (THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT). > That's a bit similar to the atonal and tonal music. This is an interesting thread... some people talk about the expressive su= periority of tonal music based on its "natural" basis. Though difficult to prove, m= aybe we think something is natural just because we=B4ve been always used to it. B= ut hey, make a waveform with 12 serialised amplitude values, with inversions, retrogradations an so on (a plausible compositional approach) : you -ever= ybody- will only hear white noise.We as composers do require a socially "accepte= d" basis to make our music understandable (even by ourselves), this basis is alway= s extended thancks to composers who deny the preexisting rules ... But we are phisically - and intellectually- someway limited ;-) Josep M Comajuncosas

Date	1998-11-24 21:35
From	Micheal Allen Thompson
Subject	Re: CSound/Cecilia on MkLinux
	On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 07:41:18 -0500 Jean Piche wrote: > Michal Seta wrote: > > > > Hi all. > > > > First: Cecilia doesn't wanna run in MkLinux. Says "cannot execute > > binary file". Any ideas? > > > > second, has anyone here tried MkLinux to run Csound (or any > > music/audio app for that matter??? > > > > How about LinuxPPC ? > > > > I run into some problems that seem to be Mac-linux-port specific so > > it'd be good get in touch with some other MkLinux user who does more > > or less the same thing. > > > > So far it look that I'm the only one ... > > > I am very iuntersted in making Cecilia run on MkLinux... Dont have a system > yet... but there is no reason that it would not run... First, you would probably > have to compile tcl/tk on MkLinux. TCL/TK already is compiled on mklinux PPC we just need the cecilia binary PPC compatible and it should run fine. Csound is already running on PPC mklinux.... M > > -- > ________________________________________________________ > Jean Piche > Universite de Montreal > http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej > http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/electro/CEC/