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Marc Resibois wrote:
>=20
> Is there a valuable/comprehensive FAQ out there at the moment ?
Martin Dupras has one, at
http://music.dartmouth.edu/~dupras/wCsound/csoundpage.html
Last updated in Feb 1995, so it could probably do with an overhaul.
> I know that when I started, I was cruelly missing one=20
> I might start my own if it is of general interest to people...
I'm sure you're appropriately underwhelmed by the response so far.
Last time we tried, we got to this: tolve offered to help generally,=20
Larry Troxler provided some questions-with-sketched-answers, and=20
I offered to do some cut-and-pasting of materials, as well as typing=20
(if people provided Q's, A's, and corrected the resultant non-English).
I think that a FAQ could be quite slim, especially considering the
updated HTML manuals and the upcoming book.
Many of the questions concern versions and installation. Installation=20
is different for every OS of course. I have some notes for Windows,=20
installation for other OS's seem to be handled on the fly by those=20
who maintain the various versions.
Apart from that, there aren't very many *frequently* asked questions
(perhaps 5-6, roughly the ones LT contrib'd), though there are many=20
newbie questions. The manual does indeed contain most info that we need,=20
but each individual reader will miss a different turn of phrase which,=20
combined with another hint (5 screenfuls of text away), tells him what=20
to do. The usual technical manual problem iow.
Here's what I think (not very thoroughly) a FAQ should contain:
* Current pointers to platform binaries, support files (eg phys mod),
the current HTML manual, and web pages with info for the different
OS's (eg someone has a Linux app page, the Mills people have something
for Mac I believe, I've some WinDOS stuff). Dupras' page has this,
but all of the links need to be verified and probably a few added.
* The dozen most common questions (not a very big job: Take the attached=20
old q&a's, include some MIDI info and we're almost done).
* A note on how to ask the mailing list (include orc+sco).
And that's about it. There are probably a few more things that=20
people (newbies and ex-newbies) are thinking of when we say=20
"there should be a faq":
* Internals of Csound, which influence functionality. Recent topics=20
include control/sample rates and function tables. This might be the
proper point to refer people to the mailing list archives.
(Oops, I can't find anything before 1 Feb 1998. Are they dumped?)
* Basic dsp info. Pointers to existing material could be provided.
I've collected some of the recent mini-essays here, but it needs=20
to be edited and approved by original writers.
* A brief dictionary, or pointer to one. Words like Nyquist, FM,
waveguide, frequency response, impulse response etc. This should
ideally be integrated into the HTML manual, not a FAQ.=20
I have something along these lines in the win help file, but it's
probably not publishing-worthy.
Start from Dupras's page and see what you can do.=20
You can have additional material from me if you're interested,
just yell. I've some snips from the list, some of which are
formatted in RTF.
re
************* ATTACHMENT ***************
Some material for a FAQ.
Q: I can=92t get GEN01 to work. Why?
A: You have an old Csound manual, which is missing the last argument (cha=
nnel). Get the fresh HTML manuals, and look it up there.
Q: I can't get linenr to work. Why is this?
A: linenr only works for MIDI.
Q: How can I view or manipulate LPANAL or PVANAL analysis files?
A: Anyone? (Convolution and basic filter theory has been posted)
Q: How can I do global processing, like reverb, on the output of a number=
of instruments?
A: See the global reverb example in the Instrument design tutorial in the=
manual.
Q: I have a long sustained note, and want to add an occasional pitch bend=
to it at various times (think electric guitar being whammied from time t=
o time). Now I know that I can accomplish this using a suitably long lins=
eg or the like, but is there any way that I can accomplish this in the sc=
ore rather than the orc. file?
A: Use a second instrument to trigger the bends and a global variable to =
communicate between the two instruments. Add this frequency to the base =
frequency of your instrument. =20
Something like:
aout oscil iamp, ifqc+gkfqc, 1
I think you may want to make the pitch-bending instrument lower numbered =
than the "guitar" instrument so that everything gets updated on time.
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Hi,
I have had three problems witht the list archives. (1) Sometimes James's
server doesn't permit me access, generally when I most desperately need to
read something, say, about convolve; (2) The messages are often not
referenced correctly from the indices, especially when following a thread
from inside a message; and (3) Right now (1330 April 1, and this is no
joke) there are almost no messages listed.
I was hoping someone might look into this.
Thanks,
Peter
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> bad news, but I have been shown (I promise) the following credit on
> the Spice Girls album "Spiceworld". I quote:
>
> Many of the basic tracks on this album were realised on the CSound
> computer software.
>
> Someone please tell me that this is not true!
I thought this was well known fact! Karlheinz Spice was a noted figure in
the world of electronic music years before she joined the Spice Girls,
having written the definitive paper on the use of Chebyshev polynomials
of the first kind in waveshaping. She's pretty cute, too!
Best regards,
Robert Tucker
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To: Marc Resibois
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>Marc Resibois wrote:
>>
>> Is there a valuable/comprehensive FAQ out there at the moment ?
>
>Martin Dupras has one, at
>http://music.dartmouth.edu/~dupras/wCsound/csoundpage.html
>Last updated in Feb 1995, so it could probably do with an overhaul.
>
>> I know that when I started, I was cruelly missing one
>> I might start my own if it is of general interest to people...
hello mark,
yes. perhaps we could list support resources under a non-threatening
further study category. could include my recent compiled post on books and
tutorials for C, to which i have a few items to add.
should such material be sent to you?
imagine there are many who come to csound who are overwhelmed by the number
of pages with various versions of the program -not to mention programs that
interface with or complement csound.
seems to me that a single readme on the csound front page would be useful
for directing all users to at least the most recent versions of csound for
each platform. of course, it would be preferable for links to the most
recent versions to be available there but i understand this is a pain in
the neck as programmers constantly upgrade the programs. could we expect a
readme to be better maintained? perhaps a bulletin board type set-up?
another pain. maybe just dating the readme would be enough of a safeguard.
haven't been monitoring this lately so please don't hurt me if everything
is now up to date.
when this was discussed some time back i had compiled a couple of very
simply commented orcs & scos -which i did submit. but now that i have had a
chance to look around a bit, don't believe they would be that spectacular a
contribution. for me, the main difficulty with present tutorials is that
they cover much ground in a short time. even when i understand them i am
sometimes unclear as to the exact sound of the components. exceedingly
simple examples are necessary at the very beginning.
instead of building increasingly complex sounds by adding three features or
even one at a time; the idea would be to use a simple sine wave with only a
single feature in each example -or at least the simplest demonstrable
example possible. this would exhibit not only the implementation, but also
the effect that feature has on the sound.
ACCCI addresses understanding difficulties to a large extent, but those
first tutorials in the manual could be more in keeping with the above.
firmly believe that there are many quite capable of using csound who are
put off just by the appearance of complexity. hey, it still gives me pause
to figure out what the hell you guys and gals are abbreviating in your
variables!
and the truth is, you can understand almost nothing and still be able to do
more with csound than with that synth in a box purchased at your local
music store. so hopefully the new books will encourage as well as instruct.
let us also consider definition of terms familiar to musicians versus those
familiar to programmers. wet and dry sounds; rates and levels; envelopes;
vibrato. and we need to work to make ourselves understandable to people
who speak different languages. let's float potential questions and answers
by the list and solicit comments. maybe i can put together some traditional
analog music synthesis terms and programmers can add their 2 cents.
but it sure would be helpful to know more about the book. are the above
wheels already under construction?
oh yeah, add that question about envelope lengths from the Long Tone posts.
damn, i really thought it had to be the carriage returns because way back i
was told that numbers of envelope stages were only limited by the length of
the lines in your text program. (and that this could be overcome with
tables or ties).
keep in mind that, although i've been around the list a while, it is only
now that i have had any time to actually explore the program, and in this i
am only at the beginning -i probably need that FAQ!
will do what i can to assist if you take up the mantel.
yours,
tolve
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A new one from Tom Erbe, just out of beta, and sure to make life much
simpler -absolutely fantastic for browsing large sound libraries directly
from the finder:
>...final ppc and 68k versions are at http://shoko.calarts.edu/~tre/ip.sea.hqx
>it is freeware, so feel free to send it around.
tolve
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From: J P Fitch
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I have fixed the SUN Silence effect, and it now seems better. I have preplaced
the pub/dream/platforms/unix/Sun/csound_beta file with one which I hope
is better behaved.
Thanks to Jonas from KTH for directing me to the problem, and sorry I
cannot type your real name!
==John ff
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Subject: Virtual synthesis on csound
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Does any one have any advise for virtual synthesis on csound or know of any
web sites where I can find example orcs and scores. Any help will be
gratefully received.
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All you knowledgable people who knew the Spice Girls album did not have
Csound on it,
you.. uh..own a copy ?
:-)
Good one though ! (It was a joke right ?....right ?)
-Drew Skyfyre
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can anyone tell me what the -PIPES compilation option does ?
i am hoping it allows a udp or tcp connection of some kind
that can allow a score generator to communicate over a
comunication port with the csound synthesis engine
and allow distributed processing client/server
i cant find anything in the faq but im guessing that its been done
and heaps of people are doing it ....
any help appreciated
--
@ * ~
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From: Jeffrey William Chastine
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Greetings,
I'm looking for a program that preprocesses
a midi file to add a harmony track to it. I could
write one myself (cough) I think, but it would save
me a lot of time if this program was already written.
Any ideas??
Thanks,
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This is a follow up on the thread on parsing that took place
some time ago. I just completed a very initial stage version
of a yacc/lex skeleton parser. It does only orcs for now
and does not do semantic checking. You can find it in the
AIMI csound site:
ftp://musart.dist.unige.it/pub/CSOUND/csound-parser-v0.0.tar.gz
(there's also a zip version for tarless systems).
Enjoy,
nicb
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Some very serious sources report that CSound will be bought buy by
Microsoft this year.
Any informations about that?
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> Some very serious sources report that CSound will be bought buy by
> Microsoft this year.
> Any informations about that?
Another April fools right...? Can't they just download it for free like the
rest of us?
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rasmus ekman wrote:
>
> Marc Resibois wrote:
> >
> > Is there a valuable/comprehensive FAQ out there at the moment ?
>
> I'm sure you're appropriately underwhelmed by the response so far.
I'm a Csound newbie, and noting the "underwhelming response" prompts me
to come out of hiding. As a non-programmer, I find the manual to be
somewhat daunting and inscrutable. But as a composer and synth freak,
Csound is too cool not to learn. Want another oscillator? Type one!
Such things exist in Heaven, where I shall never win.
> * A brief dictionary, or pointer to one. Words like Nyquist, FM,
> waveguide, frequency response, impulse response etc. This should
> ideally be integrated into the HTML manual, not a FAQ.
Yes please. I see in the manual, for example, the syntax for the
hetrodyne filter analysis, but I don't know what it is, and I represent
7.3 people who are too shy to ask. It says how to set the size of a
table and its wrap-around point, but I don't know why I should have a
preference for one size table over another. I can probably figure this
stuff out as I re-read and things start to fit together better.
The tutorials and the Amsterdam Collection have helped a lot. It would
be nice to have a few more .orc and .sco files to peruse, I will try to
contribute my own as I go, if anybody cares. Thanks very much.
steve
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Now, see I heard that Bill Gates was going to be installing Csound embedded modules with
sensors all around his home They will trigger thousands of orcs when they detect any
movement.
Okay , sorry I had to get that out of my system.
Stuart
Mike Berry wrote:
> > Some very serious sources report that CSound will be bought buy by
> > Microsoft this year.
> > Any informations about that?
>
> Another April fools right...? Can't they just download it for free like the
> rest of us?
> --
> Mike Berry
> mikeb@nmol.com
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Guess all you Mac and SGI users better switch to Wintel. I have a
perfectly good 386/33 in my garage. I'll let it go cheap.
(It's still April 1 here.)
-dB
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Michel DARREMONT [SMTP:jmdbrady@club-internet.fr]
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>=20
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> Jean-Michel DARREMONT
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>> Some very serious sources report that CSound will be bought buy by
>> Microsoft this year.
>> Any informations about that?
>
> Another April fools right...? Can't they just download it for free like the
> rest of us?
Yeah, umm, serious sources told me that MS were very excited when
extended Csound was demoed to them on a Win95 box. Their excitement
cooled a little when they were told Win95 was only the keyboard & monitor
for the system, but they didn't go away in disgust...
Peter Kerr
University of Auckland School of Music
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