surround interfaces

Date	1999-09-25 15:39
From	tolve
Subject	surround interfaces
	hello, first, thanks to all those who responded to my queries a while back. a quick report (have thus far only walked through) on available interfaces for surround at AES. would appreciate if others would point me to any i've missed. comments welcome. at least from ergonomic perspective, a clear winner: InMotion 3d Audio Producer PC software $995 by Wave Arts you can draw a curve between speakers on screan, then go back, grab handles and tweak. another window allows you to view time in a linear fashion. and they say an update will be out in about 30 days to allow manipulation of height. there is a surround control "dsp7" www.soundware.dk. joystick. not clear yet on what it works with. peavey mediamatrix for live mixing: routing, compression, eq... DVD creator from Sonic Solutions. surround production interface looks cool. out in a couple of months. ProTools plugin from Kind of Loud Technologies www.kindofloud.com. Digital Theater Systems dts 5.1 mastering encoder & decoder. of course Dolby need to get back to sony booth re SACD tolve Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10222; 25 Sep 99 20:44 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UxjC-0004uJ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:43:26 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (UAA118210); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:39:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:39:00 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (UAA123351); Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:38:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.143.224.13] (dial-up013.infohouse.com) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:31:20 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:37:24 +0100 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: tolve Subject: csounders at AES Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk any csounders hawking wares at AES; or perhaps strolling the aisles in red carnations; location? tolve Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28014; 27 Sep 99 14:32 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VZdT-0005ov-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:12:03 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA213885); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:09:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:08:50 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA213102); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:08:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VYfG-0000Io-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:09:50 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 13:08:48 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: tone bug To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 26 Sep 1999 15:54:06 +0100 --- Copy of mail to f00f@freemail.hu --- regarding tone, if the half-power frequency is set to 1, then the algorithm needs to calculate cos(1/(2pi8sr)). For your sample rate this is cos(0.000142) which is 1- 3.810^(-12), which to single precision is 1. Then the filter coefficient c1 is 0,(and c2 is 1) and so there is no sound. This looks like a numerical problem rather than a bug as such. However working in double precision improves this, but I assume there is still a value for which teh numerics will break down. ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28133; 27 Sep 99 14:32 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VGSp-0005Gk-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:43:47 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA147574); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:41:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:41:27 +0100 Received: from saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA144834); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:41:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from [157.238.71.173] (157-238-71-173.il.verio.net [157.238.71.173]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA18653 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:41:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909261541.KAA18653@saba.wwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:47:41 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: =cw4t7abs Subject: Re: csounders at AESS Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >sorry, for those who are not aware of it, l!kl! 1 tru!zm auss! = dze opoz!t tzor! 4 dzoze auear ov !t + ov op!n!on tzor1 4 dzoze !auear ov !t >the Audio Engineering Society >convention is in new york city at city jacob javits center. running now. >continues through monday sept 27th. every kind of audio company but >operative word is of course "company" -can't expect to see shareware. >www.aes.org operative word is korporat fasc!zt zpektakl - shareware - korporat fasc!zt zpektakl auss! - www.modl+c!t!znz.org Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28296; 27 Sep 99 14:33 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VUIq-0005bH-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:30:24 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (HAA169652); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:26:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:26:00 +0100 Received: from mailhub.unibe.ch [130.92.254.109] by hermes via ESMTP (HAA169906); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:26:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from iamexwi.unibe.ch (haegar.unibe.ch [130.92.71.10]) by mailhub.unibe.ch (PMDF V5.2-29 #33079) with ESMTP id <0FIP00EBAGGXAV@mailhub.unibe.ch> for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:24:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from giger.unibe.ch (giger [130.92.63.40]) by iamexwi.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15947 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:24:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from huber@localhost) by giger.unibe.ch (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA22536 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:24:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:24:52 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Huber Subject: Re: oversampling To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-id: <199909270624.IAA22536@giger.unibe.ch> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > depending on the audio signal, I render the files at 176400 Hz (4x), > 352800 Hz (8x) or 705600 Hz (16x). The only problem with this is that > some csound opcodes does not like high sample rates (especially > some filters) Why does the sampling rate have an effect on the function of an opcode ? I mean, the only thing that changes is the ratio of the processed frequencies to the sampling rate. > > But the bigger problem is that csound doesn't like writing to a pipe: > > soundfile write returned a bytecount of 3072, not 8192 > > (disk may be full... > > closing the file ...) > > 0 8192-byte soundblks .... > > Try to use headerless (raw) file format. WAV needs seeking which is not supported > by pipes/fifos. I just tried. Same effect: soundfile write returned bytecount of -1, not 8192 (disk may be full... closing the file ...) Thomas Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28349; 27 Sep 99 14:33 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VZda-0005p0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:12:10 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA210116); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:08:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:08:40 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA210944); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:08:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VYf5-0000If-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:09:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 99 13:08:37 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linseg (k-rate) and tone bugs To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 26 Sep 1999 15:17:58 +0100 i have found and nailed the bug in linseg. i have also fixed the problem with constants in my internal version. Soon be time to releae this as well, ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28462; 27 Sep 99 15:23 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vbgs-0005uu-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:23:42 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA232081); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:20:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:20:26 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA228674); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:20:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.143.224.88] (dial-up047.infohouse.com [204.143.224.47]) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:12:45 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 10:22:51 +0100 To: sursound@lists.uoregon.edu, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: tolve Subject: more surround interfaces Cc: =cw4t7abs Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk if you are at aes, and you haven't done so, you must* go to the Lake DSP Room for a demonstration of 3d. Located in Room 2D15 -out of the way on a different floor entirely from the main hall. They have a comprehensive (expensive) production system in beta: Huron. "ready in about two months." not geared towards live routing in a theater mind you -for that check out Peavey MediaMatrix. also soundfield is showing their microphone in booth 1040. here are some other multichannel leads i haven't yet checked out (if they are in fact present here): audiobox ocs omnisound sounds logical (www.soundslogical.com) Audiosynth (www.audiosynth.com) makers of supercollider Thomas Chen is working on a 3d system but not currently showing. expect to meet him today. as always, those of you with a distaste for korporat fasc!ztz are cordially invited to suggest available alternatives as =cw4t7abs has in the past -i did look over it, but the email is misplaced. repost please. tolve > >at least from ergonomic perspective, a clear winner: >InMotion 3d Audio Producer PC software $995 by Wave Arts you can draw a >curve between speakers on screan, then go back, grab handles and tweak. >another window allows you to view time in a linear fashion. and they say >an update will be out in about 30 days to allow manipulation of height. > >there is a surround control "dsp7" www.soundware.dk. joystick. not clear >yet on what it works with. > >peavey mediamatrix for live mixing: routing, compression, eq... > >DVD creator from Sonic Solutions. surround production interface looks cool. >out in a couple of months. > >ProTools plugin from Kind of Loud Technologies www.kindofloud.com. > >Digital Theater Systems dts 5.1 mastering encoder & decoder. > >of course Dolby > >need to get back to sony booth re SACD > >tolve Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28512; 27 Sep 99 15:28 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vblt-0005v4-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:28:53 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA234896); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:26:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:25:58 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (PAA235181); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:25:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 18444 invoked by uid 339175); 27 Sep 1999 14:25:31 -0000 Date: 27 Sep 1999 14:25:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990927142531.18443.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: oversampling From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jim Stevenson wrote: > I would much appreciate all those shell scripts, and suspect many on list > would also. Hmm, I've already sent them ... did they lost due to some network transfer error ? Or is there any limit on mail size (it was about 9.5 kB) ? Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28709; 27 Sep 99 17:49 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vdy7-0005z0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:49:39 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA258320); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:45:54 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:45:42 +0100 Received: from mail1.c-bridge.com [199.92.202.99] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA253543); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 17:45:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail2.c-bridge.com (mail2.c-bridge.com [199.93.167.10]) by mail1.c-bridge.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28509; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:43:07 -0400 Received: by mail2.c-bridge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:48:31 -0400 Message-ID: <923DE5722529D31186D500A0C999D989069DC0@mail2.c-bridge.com> From: Grant Covell Reply-To: rdouglas@mail.usyd.edu.au To: 'Bob Douglas ' , 'CSound list ' Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re: skating rink music, and hearing loss correction] Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 12:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here we go off topic: The Dufay motet is Nuper rosarum flores, and uses many 3:4:5 proportions which Brunelleschi used in the dome as well. I looked for literature about just this several years ago, and found nothing to suggest that Dufay explicitly intended the ratios and canons to produce an environment specific effect. If you have a source, I'd love to know it! I may have been also looking in the wrong places, but there's also little concrete evidence that Dufay's motet was ever performed in Florence either. Grant. === Dufay wrote a piece specifically to be performed in Brunellesci's dome where the tempo of the music was such that a reverberating phrase returning from the walls of that space formed a canon with the next phrase being sung. That was half a millennium ago... Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28816; 27 Sep 99 18:20 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vamx-0000V8-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:25:56 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA234340); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:22:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:22:16 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (PAA234689); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:22:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 14497 invoked by uid 339175); 27 Sep 1999 14:22:08 -0000 Date: 27 Sep 1999 14:22:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990927142205.14404.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: More bassdrums ... From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matt Southall wrote: > Hi, > I'd be happy to receive any number of bassdrums/hats/snares/noises. Well, I can send some if you describe what sort of music do you want to render with them; as of snares, hats etc. I mostly use samples (but if anyone can send an orc that sounds like a TR-909 hihat, that would not be bad ... :) Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28894; 27 Sep 99 18:20 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VU8m-0007ky-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:20:00 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA107237); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:19:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:18:53 +0100 Received: from out5.prserv.net [165.87.194.243] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA171352); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:18:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from ibm.net (slip139-92-76-122.par.fr.ibm.net [139.92.76.122]) by out5.prserv.net (/) with ESMTP id HAA94074 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 07:18:43 GMT Message-ID: <37EF9BA7.3D6AB20C@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:30:31 -0700 From: jean-pierre lemoine Reply-To: jlemoin@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [fr]C-CCK-MCD (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: ANNOUNCE : HPKComposer version 2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This new version is on hplank.inetpc.com (follow HPKComposer). - enhance software synthetizer: 4 sound sources, two filters, new effects, new GUI - rather complete implementation of the VRML builder, MIDI interactions are workings. Individual sounds can be placed in the scene and their volume controlled from MIDI devices. - new look and feel, and GUI Thanks to those who are posting their Csound works on the Web, this lets me build a tool that has realy great sound generation capabilities (at least for me!). jean-pierre Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28978; 27 Sep 99 18:20 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VMMo-0007Rz-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:01:58 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA160900); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:00:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:00:42 +0100 Received: from qmailr@internexus.net [206.152.14.2] by hermes via SMTP (AAA161217); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:00:40 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 4819 invoked by uid 501); 26 Sep 1999 23:00:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:00:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Laszlo Vecsey To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: skating rink music, and hearing loss correction Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You know how in skating rinks theres usually a huge amount of reverb or echo because of the properties of the large room and reflective ice? I was wondering if anyone could suggest a process to 'dull' or 'depmhasize' the sound so that when played back in a large room like that, it would sound better. Also, I believe I have a slight hearing loss in part of my hearing (the speaking range) -- I have a fairly high end headphone setup and amplifier, same goes for my sound card, and I was thinking of wirting a program that would play some tones at low volume (just above the threshold of hearing for that particular user, done through a midi input device for example to help) so that a fairly accurate frequency map could be established that would take into consideration that particular set up of headphones/amps and listening ears. Then, a realtime csound process could manipulate audio coming from line-in and correct it properly -- in my case, I could then play on my digital piano and have my fingers become used to the so called 'average' set of ears out there, in effect everything coming through line-in could be adjusted to the appropriate levels for my listening. I'm still at a loss as to whether that minimum tone would be enough to base any frequency shifts on, perhaps the loud end of the spectrum needs to come into play and then more averages need to be taken.. sorry if this isn't too clear, I hope I've managed to present the idea. -Laz. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29103; 27 Sep 99 18:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11V7TM-0007DT-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 07:07:44 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA133153); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:05:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:05:37 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA90294); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 08:05:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (rm1-986.tiscalinet.it [212.123.81.98]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24148; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:05:00 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <37EDC7C2.AB2B8C86@agora.stm.it> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:14:10 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: sursound@lists.uoregon.edu, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: surround interfaces References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Next version of DirectCsound will implement DirectSound3D Windows API for realtime 3 dimensional sound with four speaker for the owners of audio cards such as SB Live!, Diamond monster sound MX300 etc.) Stay in touch! Happy Csounding! tolve wrote: > > hello, > > first, thanks to all those who responded to my queries a while back. a > quick report (have thus far only walked through) on available interfaces > for surround at AES. would appreciate if others would point me to any i've > missed. comments welcome. > > at least from ergonomic perspective, a clear winner: > InMotion 3d Audio Producer PC software $995 by Wave Arts you can draw a > curve between speakers on screan, then go back, grab handles and tweak. > another window allows you to view time in a linear fashion. and they say > an update will be out in about 30 days to allow manipulation of height. > > there is a surround control "dsp7" www.soundware.dk. joystick. not clear > yet on what it works with. > > peavey mediamatrix for live mixing: routing, compression, eq... > > DVD creator from Sonic Solutions. surround production interface looks cool. > out in a couple of months. > > ProTools plugin from Kind of Loud Technologies www.kindofloud.com. > > Digital Theater Systems dts 5.1 mastering encoder & decoder. > > of course Dolby > > need to get back to sony booth re SACD > > tolve -- Gabriel Maldonado http://web.tiscalinet.it/G-Maldonado/home2.htm Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29128; 27 Sep 99 18:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VDka-0007Hm-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:49:56 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA144458); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:48:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:48:22 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA144201); Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:48:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.143.224.88] (dial-up088.infohouse.com) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:40:41 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199909252155.OAA24004@eos.arc.nasa.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 09:31:44 +0100 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: tolve Subject: Re: csounders at AES Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk sorry, for those who are not aware of it, the Audio Engineering Society convention is in new york city at city jacob javits center. running now. continues through monday sept 27th. every kind of audio company but operative word is of course "company" -can't expect to see shareware. www.aes.org tolve Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29314; 27 Sep 99 18:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VaP8-0000Rx-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:01:18 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA216944); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:57:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:57:06 +0100 Received: from lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au [129.78.64.15] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA184737); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:57:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.usyd.edu.au (p2054.net10.usyd.edu.au [10.0.8.6]) by lorica.ucc.usyd.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16709 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:56:57 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37EF76E5.B8AB991F@mail.usyd.edu.au> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:53:43 +1000 From: Bob Douglas Reply-To: rdouglas@mail.usyd.edu.au Organization: Sydney Conservatorium X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CSound list Subject: [Fwd: Re: skating rink music, and hearing loss correction] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: skating rink music, and hearing loss correction Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:50:12 +1000 From: Bob Douglas Reply-To: rdouglas@mail.usyd.edu.au Organization: Sydney Conservatorium To: Laszlo Vecsey References: Laszlo Vecsey wrote: > > You know how in skating rinks theres usually a huge amount of reverb or > echo because of the properties of the large room and reflective ice? I was > wondering if anyone could suggest a process to 'dull' or 'depmhasize' the > sound so that when played back in a large room like that, it would sound > better. Dufay wrote a piece specifically to be performed in Brunellesci's dome where the tempo of the music was such that a reverberating phrase returning from the walls of that space formed a canon with the next phrase being sung. That was half a millennium ago, so it should not be impossible in principle today to broadcast waveforms which are inverted copies. The rate of switching between the original and its cancelling inversion becomes a tuneable parameter of the particular space in question - ie. along the lines of the method currently employed to cloak the noise of submarine propellors. > Also, I believe I have a slight hearing loss in part of my hearing (the > speaking range) -- I have a fairly high end headphone setup and amplifier, > same goes for my sound card, and I was thinking of wirting a program that > would play some tones at low volume (just above the threshold of hearing > for that particular user, done through a midi input device for example to > help) so that a fairly accurate frequency map could be established that > would take into consideration that particular set up of headphones/amps > and listening ears. Then, a realtime csound process could manipulate audio > coming from line-in and correct it properly -- in my case, I could then > play on my digital piano and have my fingers become used to the so called > 'average' set of ears out there, in effect everything coming through > line-in could be adjusted to the appropriate levels for my listening. > > I'm still at a loss as to whether that minimum tone would be enough to > base any frequency shifts on, perhaps the loud end of the spectrum needs > to come into play and then more averages need to be taken.. sorry if this > isn't too clear, I hope I've managed to present the idea. If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting a means of compensating for hearing loss by boosting those frequencies which define the loss region. I believe this does not take into account the fact that we all have our own audiologically unique response to the aural environment - no two basilar membranes behave the same (even in each of two ears mounted on the same head!). In short, our own individual way of hearing is moulded as much by those spectral regions where we experience an attenuation of aural sensitivity, as it is by those where we possess an increased perception. There is no such thing as a "monotonic" ear, let alone a linear one. bobd Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29332; 27 Sep 99 18:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vb68-0000Vt-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 14:45:44 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA238828); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:41:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:41:36 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA237708); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:41:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from pecs05a01.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.133.237] helo=dev6) by sand4.global.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vby9-0000zO-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:41:33 +0100 Received: from 10.0.0.69 by dev6 ([10.0.0.69] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:42:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:42:40 +0100 From: Matt Southall X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.33) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Matt Southall X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7654.990927@psychology.nottingham.ac.uk> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re[2]: More bassdrums ... In-reply-To: <19990927142205.14404.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> References: <19990927142205.14404.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.0 - Registered to: Broadband Communications Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Monday, September 27, 1999, 3:22:05 PM, you wrote: VI> render with them; as of snares, hats etc. I mostly use samples (but if anyone VI> can send an orc that sounds like a TR-909 hihat, that would not be bad ... :) I think the 909 hat is probably quite hard to synthesize. The 606 and 808 hats should be easier.... but they sound it :) Anyone tried synthesizing cymbals/hi-hats/gongs/dustbins falling down mineshafts? Matt Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29698; 27 Sep 99 21:44 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VgiY-0000qz-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:45:46 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA234546); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:41:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:41:16 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33] by hermes via ESMTP (VAA142048); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:41:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from p57.nas4.is5.u-net.net ([195.102.201.185] helo=babcom.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11VhbZ-00046W-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 20:42:37 +0000 Message-ID: <37EFD6E0.9E5F528E@babcom.u-net.com> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:43:11 +0100 From: Steven Cook Reply-To: steve@babcom.u-net.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound List Subject: New Csound Page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi All, I've put up a page of my Csound efforts at: http://www.babcom.u-net.com/csound.html I have tried to use a standardized format and about a half of the orchestras are commented. I am particularly interested in opinions on my VCS3 orchestra. The supplied eight second score takes about five and a half hours to render on my ancient LC475! Steven Cook. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29873; 27 Sep 99 23:58 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vjim-00066U-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:58:12 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA265497); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:55:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:55:11 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA276391); Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:55:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.143.224.45] (dial-up045.infohouse.com) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:47:29 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:57:39 +0100 To: charlier@show-control.com, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: tolve Subject: Re: sursound: more surround interfaces Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk didn't pick up the literature but there is a product that works with mediamatrix that i was viewing at the same time. perhaps a misunderstanding. can anyone clear up the confusion? tolve >On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, tolve wrote: >> not geared towards live routing in a theater mind you -for that check out >> Peavey MediaMatrix. also soundfield is showing their microphone in booth charlie richmond responded: >MM is not designed for live theatrical mixing or routing - for that check >out our AudioBox at www.theatre-sound.com... > >Charlie > >+- Charlie Richmond-Richmond Sound Design-Vancouver, Canada -+ >+------------ http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com ------------+ >+- To get info or join the Show Control Mailing List go to: -+ >+--------- http://www.show-control.com/sclist.html ----------+ >+----- Free Web Host Site for Sound Designers - go to: ------+ >+-------- http://www.theatre-sound.com/tsindex.html ---------+ >"Lo, thus, by day my limbs, by night my mind > For thee, and for myself, no quiet find." - Sonnet XXVII Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01067; 28 Sep 99 13:45 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vwda-0006S1-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:45:42 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA338252); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:15 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (NAA252535); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:13 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 2006 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 12:39:58 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 12:39:58 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928123958.1998.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: oversampling From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thomas Huber wrote: > > depending on the audio signal, I render the files at 176400 Hz (4x), > > 352800 Hz (8x) or 705600 Hz (16x). The only problem with this is that > > some csound opcodes does not like high sample rates (especially > > some filters) > Why does the sampling rate have an effect on the function of an > opcode ? I mean, the only thing that changes is the ratio of the > processed frequencies to the sampling rate. Some (buggy) opcodes may be tuned for one sampling rate (e.g. 44100Hz). Also there may be precision problems, especially with filters; an example: /* ftable 1 contains a sine wave / afoo buzz sr/(103.14159265), 440, sr/(2440), 1, 0 abar tone afoo, 10 This will render a 440Hz sawtooth wave at sr = 44100Hz, but after setting sr to 441000 Hz it will output silence > > > 0 8192-byte soundblks .... > > > > Try to use headerless (raw) file format. WAV needs seeking which is not supported > > by pipes/fifos. > > I just tried. Same effect: > > soundfile write returned bytecount of -1, not 8192 > (disk may be full... > closing the file ...) hmmm... try this: mkfifo foobar ; ( csound -d -m7 -h -s -H1 -o foobar blah.orc blah.sco & \ sox -t raw -s -w -c 1 -r 44100 foobar -t wav foobar.wav ) ; rm -f foobar (in blah.orc sr = 44100 and nchnls = 1) This is not resampling, but should work as an example of pipes/fifos. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01073; 28 Sep 99 13:45 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vwdj-0006S3-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:45:51 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA283288); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:41:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:51 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (NAA336437); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:40:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 3306 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 12:40:46 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 12:40:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928124046.3287.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: oversampling From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thomas Huber wrote: > > depending on the audio signal, I render the files at 176400 Hz (4x), > > 352800 Hz (8x) or 705600 Hz (16x). The only problem with this is that > > some csound opcodes does not like high sample rates (especially > > some filters) > Why does the sampling rate have an effect on the function of an > opcode ? I mean, the only thing that changes is the ratio of the > processed frequencies to the sampling rate. Some (buggy) opcodes may be tuned for one sampling rate (e.g. 44100Hz). Also there may be precision problems, especially with filters; an example: / ftable 1 contains a sine wave / afoo buzz sr/(103.14159265), 440, sr/(2440), 1, 0 abar tone afoo, 10 This will render a 440Hz sawtooth wave at sr = 44100Hz, but after setting sr to 441000 Hz it will output silence > > > 0 8192-byte soundblks .... > > > > Try to use headerless (raw) file format. WAV needs seeking which is not supported > > by pipes/fifos. > > I just tried. Same effect: > > soundfile write returned bytecount of -1, not 8192 > (disk may be full... > closing the file ...) hmmm... try this: mkfifo foobar ; ( csound -d -m7 -h -s -H1 -o foobar blah.orc blah.sco & \ sox -t raw -s -w -c 1 -r 44100 foobar -t wav foobar.wav ) ; rm -f foobar (in blah.orc sr = 44100 and nchnls = 1) This is not resampling, but should work as an example of pipes/fifos. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01080; 28 Sep 99 13:46 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vviy-0001S0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:47:12 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA338493); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:41:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:41:46 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (NAA338636); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:41:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 4535 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 12:41:27 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 12:41:27 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928124127.4513.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: oversampling From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thomas Huber wrote: > > depending on the audio signal, I render the files at 176400 Hz (4x), > > 352800 Hz (8x) or 705600 Hz (16x). The only problem with this is that > > some csound opcodes does not like high sample rates (especially > > some filters) > Why does the sampling rate have an effect on the function of an > opcode ? I mean, the only thing that changes is the ratio of the > processed frequencies to the sampling rate. Some (buggy) opcodes may be tuned for one sampling rate (e.g. 44100Hz). Also there may be precision problems, especially with filters; an example: / ftable 1 contains a sine wave / afoo buzz sr/(103.14159265), 440, sr/(2440), 1, 0 abar tone afoo, 10 This will render a 440Hz sawtooth wave at sr = 44100Hz, but after setting sr to 441000 Hz it will output silence > > > 0 8192-byte soundblks .... > > > > Try to use headerless (raw) file format. WAV needs seeking which is not supported > > by pipes/fifos. > > I just tried. Same effect: > > soundfile write returned bytecount of -1, not 8192 > (disk may be full... > closing the file ...) hmmm... try this: mkfifo foobar ; ( csound -d -m7 -h -s -H1 -o foobar blah.orc blah.sco & \ sox -t raw -s -w -c 1 -r 44100 foobar -t wav foobar.wav ) ; rm -f foobar (in blah.orc sr = 44100 and nchnls = 1) This is not resampling, but should work as an example of pipes/fifos. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01086; 28 Sep 99 13:48 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VvkV-0001S4-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:48:47 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA337979); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:44:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:43:56 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (NAA337592); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:43:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 8518 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 12:43:51 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 12:43:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928124351.8506.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: oversampling From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thomas Huber wrote: > > depending on the audio signal, I render the files at 176400 Hz (4x), > > 352800 Hz (8x) or 705600 Hz (16x). The only problem with this is that > > some csound opcodes does not like high sample rates (especially > > some filters) > Why does the sampling rate have an effect on the function of an > opcode ? I mean, the only thing that changes is the ratio of the > processed frequencies to the sampling rate. Some (buggy) opcodes may be tuned for one sampling rate (e.g. 44100Hz). Also there may be precision problems, especially with filters; an example: / ftable 1 contains a sine wave / afoo buzz sr/(103.14159265), 440, sr/(2*440), 1, 0 abar tone afoo, 10 This will render a 440Hz sawtooth wave at sr = 44100Hz, but after setting sr to 441000 Hz it will output silence > > > 0 8192-byte soundblks .... > > > > Try to use headerless (raw) file format. WAV needs seeking which is not supported > > by pipes/fifos. > > I just tried. Same effect: > > soundfile write returned bytecount of -1, not 8192 > (disk may be full... > closing the file ...) hmmm... try this: mkfifo foobar ; ( csound -d -m7 -h -s -H1 -o foobar blah.orc blah.sco & \ sox -t raw -s -w -c 1 -r 44100 foobar -t wav foobar.wav ) ; rm -f foobar (in blah.orc sr = 44100 and nchnls = 1) This is not resampling, but should work as an example of pipes/fifos. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01101; 28 Sep 99 13:55 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Vwn5-0006SL-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:55:31 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA335464); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:50:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:50:36 +0100 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu [194.38.105.11] by hermes via SMTP (NAA307233); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:50:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19379 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 12:50:31 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 12:50:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928125031.19378.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: oversampling From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The resample etc. scripts can be downloaded form the Csound mailing list archive at: http://media.dr.rhbnc.ac.uk/csound/list/msg03848.html Jim Stevenson wrote: > I would much appreciate all those shell scripts, and suspect many on list > would also. > > Thanks. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01174; 28 Sep 99 14:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VxCO-0006T0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:21:40 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA343966); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:19:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:18:34 +0100 Received: from fm2.freemail.hu [194.38.105.12] by hermes via SMTP (OAA343588); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:18:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 21926 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 13:18:31 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 13:18:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928131831.21924.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: More bassdrums ... (ot) (spam?) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Content-ID: Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matt Southall wrote: > Hi, > I'd be happy to receive any number of bassdrums/hats/snares/noises.= Josep M Comajuncosas wrote: > I=B4m interested in the drums from a purely programmer=B4s point of vie= w ;-)))) hehehe, but > if they=B4re sample based I won=B4t be able to do much with them withou= t the samples. > Thanks for all... > Josep M "Hans Mikelson" wrote: > You can send them to me too please if you would. If you are interested= I > would like you to write an article on one or more of these drums for Cs= ound > Magazine. Anyway thanks for the drums. craig routt wrote: > oh go ahead and spam it! Now, here are some bass drums for those who wanted them (should be enough :)) to unpack the files: - get the next three mail messages (it is in 3 parts) - copy the uuencoded parts to one file with a text editor - uudecode the text file - untar the file "drums3.tar.gz" notes: - in the file "Effects.Header.orc" the line #include "/Csound/Include/HRTF_parameters.include.orc" should be changed to #include "HRTF_parameters.include.orc" (I forgot to change it before packing the files) - all files are in unix (LF) format (this may be a problem for some Windows text editors) Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01180; 28 Sep 99 14:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VwHI-0001V0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:22:40 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA340900); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:18:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:18:33 +0100 Received: from fm2.freemail.hu [194.38.105.12] by hermes via SMTP (OAA316811); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:18:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 21846 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 13:18:28 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 13:18:28 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928131828.21845.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: More bassdrums ... (ot) (spam?) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Varga_Istv=E1n?= Content-ID: Content-type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Matt Southall wrote: > Hi, > I'd be happy to receive any number of bassdrums/hats/snares/noises.= Josep M Comajuncosas wrote: > I=B4m interested in the drums from a purely programmer=B4s point of vie= w ;-)))) hehehe, but > if they=B4re sample based I won=B4t be able to do much with them withou= t the samples. > Thanks for all... > Josep M "Hans Mikelson" wrote: > You can send them to me too please if you would. If you are interested= I > would like you to write an article on one or more of these drums for Cs= ound > Magazine. Anyway thanks for the drums. craig routt wrote: > oh go ahead and spam it! Now, here are some bass drums for those who wanted them (should be enough :)) to unpack the files: - get the next three mail messages (it is in 3 parts) - copy the uuencoded parts to one file with a text editor - uudecode the text file - untar the file "drums3.tar.gz" notes: - in the file "Effects.Header.orc" the line #include "/Csound/Include/HRTF_parameters.include.orc" should be changed to #include "HRTF_parameters.include.orc" (I forgot to change it before packing the files) - all files are in unix (LF) format (this may be a problem for some Windows text editors) Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01187; 28 Sep 99 14:23 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11VwJ6-0001V6-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:24:32 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA342139); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:20:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:20:42 +0100 Received: from fm2.freemail.hu [194.38.105.12] by hermes via SMTP (OAA321710); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:20:39 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 24966 invoked by uid 339175); 28 Sep 1999 13:20:37 -0000 Date: 28 Sep 1999 13:20:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990928132037.24963.qmail@freemail.c3.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: More bassdrums ... 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(212.105.6.136) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 20:38:39 -0000 X-Sender: 1852843@pop.gmx.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:39:01 +0100 To: Csound list From: Lars Luthman Subject: [OT] SuperCollider Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This has nothing to do with Csound, but I suppose some of you have tried SuperCollider, so I'll ask anyway: Is SuperCollider very buggy? I've tried playing some of the examples, and some of them freezes my computer or causes a System Error 10 or 11. It also crashes every time I try to change the preferences. I don't know if it's the program or if it's my computer (it crashes pretty often). Has anyone had any problems with SuperCollider on a "healthy" computer? --ll Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02216; 28 Sep 99 21:55 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W3Lw-0001o0-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:55:56 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA327999); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:51:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:51:27 +0100 Received: from sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54] by hermes via ESMTP (VAA391061); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:51:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from [24.28.85.175] ([24.28.85.175]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:51:11 -0500 X-Sender: asynth@mail.io.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:48:39 -0600 To: Lars Luthman , Csound list From: James McCartney Subject: Re: [OT] SuperCollider Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 3:39 PM -0600 9/28/99, Lars Luthman wrote: >This has nothing to do with Csound, but I suppose some of you have tried >SuperCollider, so I'll ask anyway: > >Is SuperCollider very buggy? I've tried playing some of the examples, and >some of them freezes my computer or causes a System Error 10 or 11. It also >crashes every time I try to change the preferences. I don't know if it's >the program or if it's my computer (it crashes pretty often). Has anyone >had any problems with SuperCollider on a "healthy" computer? Well I've used it just a bit.. What machine, OS version, RAM, sound card are you using? What version of SC are you using? Do you have virtual memory turned off? What example do you have trouble with? --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com http://www.audiosynth.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider2, a real time synth program: Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02225; 28 Sep 99 22:03 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W4Oz-0006fl-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:03:09 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA393242); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:00:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:59:58 +0100 Received: from eclipse.pacifier.com [199.2.117.78] by hermes via ESMTP (VAA381683); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:59:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from c198169a (c198169-a.vncvr1.wa.home.com [24.9.57.41]) by eclipse.pacifier.com (8.9.3/8.9.3pop) with SMTP id NAA18076 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Gay To: Csound list Subject: OT What's the admin address for this list? Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:04:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've lost it, I checked various pages but haven't been able to find it. I need to change my address. thanks --mark markgay@home.com Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02334; 28 Sep 99 23:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W4iY-0001pL-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:23:22 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA398365); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:19:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:19:45 +0100 Received: from sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA396355); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:19:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from [24.28.85.175] ([24.28.85.175]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:19:26 -0500 X-Sender: asynth@mail.io.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:16:56 -0600 To: Lars Luthman , Csound list From: James McCartney Subject: Re: [OT] SuperCollider Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 3:48 PM -0600 9/28/99, James McCartney wrote: >At 3:39 PM -0600 9/28/99, Lars Luthman wrote: >>This has nothing to do with Csound, but I suppose some of you have tried >>SuperCollider, so I'll ask anyway: >> >>Is SuperCollider very buggy? I've tried playing some of the examples, and >>some of them freezes my computer or causes a System Error 10 or 11. It also >>crashes every time I try to change the preferences. I don't know if it's >>the program or if it's my computer (it crashes pretty often). Has anyone >>had any problems with SuperCollider on a "healthy" computer? > >Well I've used it just a bit.. So as not to get into answering a SuperCollider support question on the csound list, the short answer is for a well configured system I think you'll find it quite solid. I can run all the examples without problem. If you have too little RAM, running on virtual memory, a huge infestation of INITs, and an old Nubus machine with an old system, then you might be in for trouble. --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com http://www.audiosynth.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider2, a real time synth program: Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02382; 28 Sep 99 23:34 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W4u8-0001pe-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:35:20 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA394599); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:32:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:31:58 +0100 Received: from front4m.grolier.fr [195.36.216.54] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA396434); Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:31:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from club-internet.fr (telehouse-229-31.club-internet.fr [195.36.229.31]) by front4m.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with ESMTP id AAA00114 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:31:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <37F150FE.FFE5C9E9@club-internet.fr> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 00:36:31 +0100 From: "K.H" Reply-To: karmha@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "csound@maths.ex.ac.uk" Subject: Re:Supercollider Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk My answer is a little bit out off topic but McCartney's Supercollider is really fine! (thanks to him). I used it in demo (the old version), and not a problem! Surely you did have a problem, but this doesn't come from the application itself which is stable. good synths for you all :-) karim Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03171; 29 Sep 99 11:17 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WFsA-0002GR-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:18:02 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA440099); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:14:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:14:25 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA411795); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:14:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (rm2-368.tiscalinet.it [212.123.83.114]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA27957; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:13:52 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <37F1E883.C1E474DD@agora.stm.it> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:22:59 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: richard bowers CC: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version References: <000901bf09ee$7cfbb3c0$c92f893e@internetpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id LAA411795 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Next version of DirectCsound will do a lot more than access four channel individually: it allows real 3-D sound in the four channels (or in the 5.1 surround channels for cards that support it). In fact each output opcode can be displaced and moved in the 3-D space. I include an excerpt of the introdution of new opcodes: Introducing 3-D opcodes=20 ----------------------- (with exerpts from Microsoft (c) DirectX SDK and Creative (c) EAX 2.0 SDK manuals. All rights reserved).=20 (N.B. Do not confuse the similar words "DirectCsound" with "DirectSound", as the first refers to a realtime oriented version of Csound, whereas the second refers to multimedial system-routines present in Windows 95/98/NT operating systems).=20 Microsoft=92s DirectSound3D =AE API, provides a major first step for creating a realistic 3D aural world: it creates an easy-to-use programming environment for 3D aural modeling.=20 DirectCsound now implements almost all DirectSound3D APIs as opcodes, as well as Creative's Environmental Audio Extensions (EAX 2.0), wich provide some other important environmental effects: high quality reverberation, reflections, and sound occlusion or obstruction by intervening objects.=20 At present time several hardware-accelerated audio cards are available in the market; some of them can take advantage of DirectSound3D API. Some of such cards allow quadraphony as well as the 5.1 surround mode (six channels) when using DirectSound3D API. Maybe cards with more channels supporting these API will be manifactured in the future.=20 DirectCsound now can take advantage of the hardware acceleration of such cards allowing realtime performance with the newly implemented 3D-sound opcodes. This provides high quality and high perfomance aural-surround capabilities under DirectCsound.=20 You can use the surround opcodes of DirectCsound to create separate sound sources that move around realistically in the 3D aural world along with their corresponding objects in the physical space.=20 In order to create sound sources, one must set their 3D positions and take care of other decisions about the quality and placement of sounds in the aural world. DirectSound3D API, through its audio driver installed in a computer, does the work of translating sound-source waveforms, positions, velocity, and more into a mix that ultimately comes out in realistic 3D audio through speakers or headphones.=20 As DirectCsound accesses these APIs directly, the user must know their principle in order to take advantage of them. So an introduction to DirectSound3D and EAX 2.0 follows.=20 richard bowers wrote: >=20 > Hello, Gabriel. >=20 > What kind of functionality do you plan for the four-speaker setup on, f= or > instance, sblive! from DirectCsound? Are you able to address each speak= er > channel independently? >=20 > Yours etc. >=20 > Richard Bowers. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03449; 29 Sep 99 13:15 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WIdN-00074g-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:14:57 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA457547); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:11:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:11:14 +0100 Received: from smtp5.mindspring.com [207.69.200.82] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA451887); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:11:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from Realizer (user-2ive5jo.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.22.120]) by smtp5.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA04959; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Gogins To: Gabriel Maldonado , richard bowers Cc: Csound Mailing List Subject: RE: surround-sound support in next version Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <37F1E883.C1E474DD@agora.stm.it> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id NAA451887 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk For those who compile DirectCsound using Visual C++ version 6.0, the following patch is required: // Midisend.c line 168 #define __RPCASYNC_H__ As far as I know, including this patch in the sources would not cause a problem for earlier versions of Visual C++. It could be ifdef'd for the compiler versions, however. -----Original Message----- From: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk [mailto:owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Gabriel Maldonado Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 6:23 AM To: richard bowers Cc: Csound Mailing List Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version Next version of DirectCsound will do a lot more than access four channel individually: it allows real 3-D sound in the four channels (or in the 5.1 surround channels for cards that support it). In fact each output opcode can be displaced and moved in the 3-D space. I include an excerpt of the introdution of new opcodes: Introducing 3-D opcodes ----------------------- (with exerpts from Microsoft (c) DirectX SDK and Creative (c) EAX 2.0 SDK manuals. All rights reserved). (N.B. Do not confuse the similar words "DirectCsound" with "DirectSound", as the first refers to a realtime oriented version of Csound, whereas the second refers to multimedial system-routines present in Windows 95/98/NT operating systems). Microsoft=92s DirectSound3D =AE API, provides a major first step for creating a realistic 3D aural world: it creates an easy-to-use programming environment for 3D aural modeling. DirectCsound now implements almost all DirectSound3D APIs as opcodes, as well as Creative's Environmental Audio Extensions (EAX 2.0), wich provide some other important environmental effects: high quality reverberation, reflections, and sound occlusion or obstruction by intervening objects. At present time several hardware-accelerated audio cards are available in the market; some of them can take advantage of DirectSound3D API. Some of such cards allow quadraphony as well as the 5.1 surround mode (six channels) when using DirectSound3D API. Maybe cards with more channels supporting these API will be manifactured in the future. DirectCsound now can take advantage of the hardware acceleration of such cards allowing realtime performance with the newly implemented 3D-sound opcodes. This provides high quality and high perfomance aural-surround capabilities under DirectCsound. You can use the surround opcodes of DirectCsound to create separate sound sources that move around realistically in the 3D aural world along with their corresponding objects in the physical space. In order to create sound sources, one must set their 3D positions and take care of other decisions about the quality and placement of sounds in the aural world. DirectSound3D API, through its audio driver installed in a computer, does the work of translating sound-source waveforms, positions, velocity, and more into a mix that ultimately comes out in realistic 3D audio through speakers or headphones. As DirectCsound accesses these APIs directly, the user must know their principle in order to take advantage of them. So an introduction to DirectSound3D and EAX 2.0 follows. richard bowers wrote: > > Hello, Gabriel. > > What kind of functionality do you plan for the four-speaker setup on, f= or > instance, sblive! from DirectCsound? Are you able to address each speak= er > channel independently? > > Yours etc. > > Richard Bowers. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03515; 29 Sep 99 14:14 BST Received: from [204.143.176.4] (helo=mail.infohouse.com) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WId2-0002PP-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:14:36 +0100 Received: from [204.143.224.44] (dial-up044.infohouse.com) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:06:21 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:15:06 +0100 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: tolve Subject: B format vs track mixing for live theater Cc: Gabriel Maldonado , m.potas@lake.com.au, p.flanagan@lake.com.au, Tom Erbe , John ffitch , Jean Piche , "Matt J. Ingalls" , Alex Burton , Mike Berry , David Madole , Gabriel Maldonado , Michael Gogins , Richard Karpen , Robin Whittle , slewis@wavearts.com, James McCartney for sursound this will be one more necessary go at the eternal sweet spot topic -this time for 3d audio. mixing for live theater offers additional obstacles for 3d that appear to, at least currently, suggest irreconcilable solutions. as 3d mixing in the theater itself may be limited to just a couple of days, imaging must be dealt with beforehand. this makes some sort of B format a natural to preserve the intent of the artist: once things are imaged in 3d, the material can be output to any number of speakers (preferably at least 8 to form a cube) in any theater. this could, for some including myself, be quite satisfactory for even audience members seated at left, right, front or back extremes in the hall -providing movement of sounds is limited to the periphery of the hall. but what of sounds moving diagonally across the space? the localization of sound movement may tend to become unacceptably blurred for audience members seated further and further away from the sweet spot. and so... as an alternative, a 3d mix image may instead be hard wired into a discrete number of tracks, and for extreme movement effects perceivable to all such as, diagonal movement from left front to right back, a sound dedicated to one channel and one speaker may be panned diagonally across the room through another single channel and another single speaker. but this requires that the artist know in advance how many speakers there will be, how they will be placed, and how the sounds will behave in a space that may never have even been visited by the artist (depending on the space, perhaps mix would not be desirably so extreme). or has this already been solved by the B formatters? perhaps by an extremity adjustment that reduces, or completely diminishes the volume of a particular sound (control of a particular soundfile in a computer) in surrounding speakers to allow for adjustment to the hall/speaker arrangement. -again, i'm not just speaking about changing number of speakers and placement, but about achieving an extreme panning effect dramatically perceivable by audience members seated at the extremities of the theater. apology for omission in my previous reports on surround interfaces: of course csound does surround. and thanks again to all who provided information. tolve _________________________________________________________________ ..The Dante Project: Inferno..................................... ....Bowling Green Station PO Box 1062 New York, NY 10274-1062... ........tel: 212 388-8027 fax: 212 344-7299 tlv@tuna.net...... _________________________________________________________________ Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03527; 29 Sep 99 14:17 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WJbb-00076P-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:17:11 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA464410); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:01 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA458867); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.143.224.44] (dial-up044.infohouse.com) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:06:15 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37F1E883.C1E474DD@agora.stm.it> References: <000901bf09ee$7cfbb3c0$c92f893e@internetpc> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:15:00 +0100 To: Gabriel Maldonado From: tolve Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk gabriel, do you mean by real 3d that there will be height information encoded in the four channels? using some sort of B format that will maintain the sound imaging in 3d with any number of speakers (and all discrete channels)? -also please see my companion post "B format vs track mixing for live theater." tolve The Dante Project: Inferno Bowling Green Station PO Box 1062 New York, NY 10274-1062 tel: 212 388-8027 fax: 212 344-7299 tlv@tuna.net >Next version of DirectCsound will do a lot more than access four channel >individually: >it allows real 3-D sound in the four channels (or in the 5.1 surround >channels for cards that support it). >In fact each output opcode can be displaced and moved in the 3-D space. >I include an excerpt of the introdution of new opcodes: > > >Introducing 3-D opcodes >----------------------- >(with exerpts from Microsoft (c) DirectX SDK and Creative (c) EAX 2.0 >SDK manuals. All rights reserved). > >(N.B. Do not confuse the similar words "DirectCsound" with >"DirectSound", as the first refers to a realtime oriented version of >Csound, whereas the second refers to multimedial system-routines present >in Windows 95/98/NT operating systems). > >Microsoft=92s DirectSound3D =AE API, provides a major first step for >>creating a realistic 3D aural world: it creates an easy-to-use >programming environment for 3D aural modeling. > >DirectCsound now implements almost all DirectSound3D APIs as opcodes, as >well as Creative's Environmental Audio Extensions (EAX 2.0), wich >provide some other important environmental effects: high quality >reverberation, reflections, and sound occlusion or obstruction by >intervening objects. > >At present time several hardware-accelerated audio cards are available >in the market; some of them can take advantage of DirectSound3D API. >Some of such cards allow quadraphony as well as the 5.1 surround mode >(six channels) when using DirectSound3D API. Maybe cards with more >channels supporting these API will be manifactured in the future. > >DirectCsound now can take advantage of the hardware acceleration of such >cards allowing realtime performance with the newly implemented 3D-sound >opcodes. This provides high quality and high perfomance aural-surround >capabilities under DirectCsound. > >You can use the surround opcodes of DirectCsound to create separate >sound sources that move around realistically in the 3D aural world along >with their corresponding objects in the physical space. > >In order to create sound sources, one must set their 3D positions and >take care of other decisions about the quality and placement of sounds >in the aural world. DirectSound3D API, through its audio driver >installed in a computer, does the work of translating sound-source >waveforms, positions, velocity, and more into a mix that ultimately >comes out in realistic 3D audio through speakers or headphones. > >As DirectCsound accesses these APIs directly, the user must know their >principle in order to take advantage of them. So an introduction to >DirectSound3D and EAX 2.0 follows. > >richard bowers wrote: >> >> Hello, Gabriel. >> >> What kind of functionality do you plan for the four-speaker setup on, for >> instance, sblive! from DirectCsound? Are you able to address each speaker >> channel independently? >> >> Yours etc. >> >> Richard Bowers. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03533; 29 Sep 99 14:17 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WIgA-0002PT-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:17:50 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA400432); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:12 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA456304); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:14:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from [204.143.224.44] (dial-up044.infohouse.com) by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-59479U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:06:21 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:15:06 +0100 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: tolve Subject: B format vs track mixing for live theater Cc: Gabriel Maldonado , m.potas@lake.com.au, p.flanagan@lake.com.au, Tom Erbe , John ffitch , Jean Piche , "Matt J. Ingalls" , Alex Burton , Mike Berry , David Madole , Gabriel Maldonado , Michael Gogins , Richard Karpen , Robin Whittle , slewis@wavearts.com, James McCartney Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk for sursound this will be one more necessary go at the eternal sweet spot topic -this time for 3d audio. mixing for live theater offers additional obstacles for 3d that appear to, at least currently, suggest irreconcilable solutions. as 3d mixing in the theater itself may be limited to just a couple of days, imaging must be dealt with beforehand. this makes some sort of B format a natural to preserve the intent of the artist: once things are imaged in 3d, the material can be output to any number of speakers (preferably at least 8 to form a cube) in any theater. this could, for some including myself, be quite satisfactory for even audience members seated at left, right, front or back extremes in the hall -providing movement of sounds is limited to the periphery of the hall. but what of sounds moving diagonally across the space? the localization of sound movement may tend to become unacceptably blurred for audience members seated further and further away from the sweet spot. and so... as an alternative, a 3d mix image may instead be hard wired into a discrete number of tracks, and for extreme movement effects perceivable to all such as, diagonal movement from left front to right back, a sound dedicated to one channel and one speaker may be panned diagonally across the room through another single channel and another single speaker. but this requires that the artist know in advance how many speakers there will be, how they will be placed, and how the sounds will behave in a space that may never have even been visited by the artist (depending on the space, perhaps mix would not be desirably so extreme). or has this already been solved by the B formatters? perhaps by an extremity adjustment that reduces, or completely diminishes the volume of a particular sound (control of a particular soundfile in a computer) in surrounding speakers to allow for adjustment to the hall/speaker arrangement. -again, i'm not just speaking about changing number of speakers and placement, but about achieving an extreme panning effect dramatically perceivable by audience members seated at the extremities of the theater. apology for omission in my previous reports on surround interfaces: of course csound does surround. and thanks again to all who provided information. tolve _________________________________________________________________ ..The Dante Project: Inferno..................................... ....Bowling Green Station PO Box 1062 New York, NY 10274-1062... ........tel: 212 388-8027 fax: 212 344-7299 tlv@tuna.net...... _________________________________________________________________ Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03553; 29 Sep 99 14:31 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WItx-0002Q2-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:32:05 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (OAA468559); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:28:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:27:46 +0100 Received: from sm2.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.55] by hermes via ESMTP (OAA398734); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:27:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [24.28.85.72] ([24.28.85.72]) by Mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:21:47 -0500 X-Sender: asynth@mail.io.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:25:12 -0600 To: tolve , sursound@lists.uoregon.edu, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: James McCartney Subject: Re: more surround interfaces Cc: =cw4t7abs Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 3:22 AM -0600 9/27/99, tolve wrote: >Audiosynth (www.audiosynth.com) makers of supercollider I am not there. However I suggest you check out LCS while there at the korporat faczist spektacl (=cw4t7abs, I tend to agree ;). >but what of sounds moving diagonally across the space? That will always be problematic. LCS lets you solve this by making a geodesic grid of speakers. It IS high end though. I wrote the LCS host software and the high level DSP firmware. --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com http://www.audiosynth.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider2, a real time synth program: Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03726; 29 Sep 99 15:48 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WL2G-00079P-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:48:48 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA438456); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:23 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA465297); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:44:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (rm2-863.tiscalinet.it [212.123.85.101]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27036; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:43:54 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <37F227D1.B6BB01D0@agora.stm.it> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:53:05 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tolve CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version References: <000901bf09ee$7cfbb3c0$c92f893e@internetpc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes, it well be. However the quality of the 3-D rendering depends by the audio card hardware and DirectSound3D drivers. At present time the SB Live! card can handle up to 32 streams of audio each one representing a different sound source displaced in the aural space. Microsoft's DirectSound3D API provide high level control of positioning of each sound source and of the listener orientation. The interesting thing is hardware acceleration of last generation of audio cards, which allow all this job be done in realtime, with very low cost of computer processor time. tolve wrote: > > gabriel, > do you mean by real 3d that there will be height information encoded in the > four channels? using some sort of B format that will maintain the sound > imaging in 3d with any number of speakers (and all discrete channels)? > -also please see my companion post "B format vs track mixing for live > theater." > > tolve > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03793; 29 Sep 99 16:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WLZ1-0007AB-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:22:39 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA379300); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:19:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:19:16 +0100 Received: from ella.mills.edu [144.91.3.20] by hermes via SMTP (QAA333636); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:19:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 162442 invoked by uid 1964); 29 Sep 1999 08:19:07 -0700 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matt J. Ingalls" To: Gabriel Maldonado cc: tolve , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version In-Reply-To: <37F227D1.B6BB01D0@agora.stm.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > Yes, it well be. However the quality of the 3-D rendering depends by the > audio card hardware and DirectSound3D drivers. At present time the SB > Live! card can handle up to 32 streams of audio each one representing a > different sound source displaced in the aural space. Microsoft's what do you mean "quality"? but this is 32 streams of mono sounds being panned around, right? how does DirectSound3D handle stereo? B-format? i guess i should hunt around microsoft instead of posting here - but im too lazy..sorry -matt Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03922; 29 Sep 99 17:48 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WLyX-0002Zp-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:49:01 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA495852); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:44:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:43:58 +0100 Received: from birch.net [209.251.184.60] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA491930); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:43:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from dustin (node158.tnt-139.146.44.tfs.net [139.146.44.158]) by tango.birch.net with SMTP id LAA13350 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:43:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Dustin Barlow To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: CSounder usage poll.. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:41:06 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings everyone... I wanted to take a quick poll to see how many folks are still using CSounder and what versions of Windows are people using. I know CSounder is behind the latest csound trends (ie real-time) and I really don't have the time anymore to keep it up to date. So I am just curious to see how many folks are actually still using it and if there is no great mass of folks using it, then I'm going to pull it from the Web site. If someone wants the source code for making mods themselves, you can contact me as well. The source for CSounder was written in Borland C++ 4.52. I tried at one point to port it to Microsoft C++ V6.0 and quit because it required more work than I was willing to do at the time. If someone wants to take this port on, or to continue developing it in whatever the latest incarnation of Borland C++ is, then let me know. I also know that there are a whole host of other PC based GUIs out there that weren't there years ago when CSounder was conceived. So, CSounder is probably not as needed today as it was years ago and I may be ready to retire it from circulation so that it doesn't become a snagging point for new csound users who are not aware of the newer, more advanced interfaces that are currently available. Thanks for the time and the reponses! Happy CSounding! Dustin Barlow dbarlow@omnids.com Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04070; 29 Sep 99 19:20 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WNP1-0002cQ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:20:27 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA504107); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:15:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:15:34 +0100 Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (TAA508236); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:15:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from agora.stm.it (rm1-95.tiscalinet.it [212.123.77.223]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA26159; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:14:04 +0200 (ITADST) Message-ID: <37F258EF.B712AD2D@agora.stm.it> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:22:39 +0200 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Matt J. Ingalls" CC: tolve , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, sursound@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id TAA508236 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk These are excerpts from MSVC manual and Crative's EAX2.0 manual, I hope it will help you to undersand what I mean for quality: "The Microsoft=AE DirectSound=AE application programming interface (API) = is the audio component of the DirectX=99 Software Development Kit (SDK). DirectSound provides low-latency mixing, hardware acceleration, and direct access to the sound device. It provides this functionality while maintaining compatibility with existing Windows=AE-based applications and device drivers.=20 DirectX allows you access to the display and audio hardware while insulating you from the specific details of that hardware. The overriding design goal in DirectX is speed. Instead of providing a high-level set of functions, DirectSound provides a device-independent interface, allowing applications to take full advantage of the capabilities of the audio hardware.=20 Perception of Sound Positions In the real world, the perception of a sound's position in space is influenced by a number of factors, including the following:=20 =95Volume. The farther an object is from the listener, the quieter it sounds. This phenomenon is known as rolloff.=20 =95Arrival offset. A sound emitted by a source to the listener's right will arrive at the listener's right ear slightly before it arrives at the left ear. (The duration of this offset is approximately a millisecond.)=20 =95Muffling. The orientation of people's ears ensures that sounds coming from behind the listener are slightly muffled compared with sounds coming from in front of the listener. In addition, if a sound is coming from the listener's right, the sounds reaching the left ear will be muffled by the mass of the listener's head.=20 Although these are not the only cues people use to discern the position of sound, they are the main ones, and they are the factors that have been implemented in DirectSound's positioning system. When hardware that supports 3D sound becomes generally available, other positioning cues might be incorporated into the system, including the difference in how high- and low-frequency sounds are muffled by the mass of the listener's head and the reflections of sound off the listener's shoulders and external ear parts.=20 One of the most important sound-positioning cues is the apparent visual position of the sound source. If a projectile appears as a dot in the distance and grows to the size of an intercontinental missile before it roars past the viewer's head, for example, the sound will appear to have gone by the listener without much help from subtle cues.=20 =A9 1997 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Legal Notices=20 EAX 2.0 Environmental Reverberation Control=20 EAX 2.0 offers a complete set of reverberation parameters that allow you to control the intensity and delay of reflections, to continuously adjust the environment size, and to set the direct path and reverberation filters for each sound source. These direct controls allow dedicated sound designers to tweak environmental reverberation to get precisely the aural surroundings they desire. EAX can also make your programming work easier by automatically taking care of these parameters for you.=20 Distance Effects=20 To help provide a better perception of listener-to-sound-source distance, EAX 2.0 provides several different modes of automatic distance-effects management. They manage attenuation and filtering effects that change according to the distance between the listener and a sound source. The distance effects include:=20 A method of simulating the natural statistical behavior of reverberation in enclosed spaces=20 A reverberation rolloff factor that allows you to customize or modify the statistical reverberation model=20 An adjustable air absorption model that filters out high frequencies with increasing distance. (You can use this to simulate moisture in the air such as high humidity or fog.)=20 Occlusion and Obstruction Effects=20 EAX 2.0 introduces occlusion and obstruction properties that provide aural cues about objects and walls that come between sound sources and the listener.=20 Occlusion occurs when a wall that separates two environments comes between source and listener. There=92s no open-air sound path for sound to go from source to listener, so the sound source is completely muffled because it=92s transmitted through the wall. EAX occlusion properties provide parameters that adjust wall transmission characteristics to simulate different wall materials and thickness. You can, for example, use occlusion properties to make a voice or noise sound very realistically as if it were coming from behind a door or from outside the listener=92s house.=20 Obstruction occurs when source and listener are in the same room but there=92s an object directly between them. There=92s no direct sound path from source to listener, but the reverberation comes to the listener unaffected. The result is altered direct-path sound with unaltered reverberation. EAX obstruction properties can simulate sound diffraction around the obstacle or sound transmission through the obstacle, which provide rich aural cues about the nature of the obstruction. You can, for example, use obstruction properties to make a voice sound as if it were coming through a thin curtain or from behind a large pillar.=20 Source Directivity=20 DirectSound already offers control of source directivity, where a sound source is stronger in one direction than in all others=97like a trumpet, for example, that=92s strongest in the direction of the bell and attenuated to the sides and behind the bell. DirectSound sets the directivity across all frequencies equally, which usually not the case in the real world.=20 EAX makes source directivity sound much more natural by allowing you to make sound sources more directive at high frequencies than at low frequencies. This makes the sound of directional sources such as a voice, a loudspeaker, or a horn sound much more realistic as the listener moves around the source=97or as the source rotates or flies by the listener. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04232; 29 Sep 99 20:25 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WPMM-0007G5-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:25:50 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (UAA511311); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:17:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:17:23 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137] by hermes via ESMTP (UAA509737); Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:17:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from p86.nas4.is5.u-net.net ([195.102.201.214] helo=babcom.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11WPEx-0000xy-00; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:18:11 +0100 Message-ID: <37F26625.FF583BC4@babcom.u-net.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:19:01 +0100 From: Steven Cook Reply-To: steve@babcom.u-net.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Quinn CC: Csound List Subject: Re: New Csound Page References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Don, Not bad, but I've had much faster (1:15) reported! My LC475 is a 25MHz Mac with no FPU. Thanks, Steven Cook. Don Quinn wrote: > > Steven, > > FWIW, three minutes and twenty-seven seconds (3:27) on my > mongrel P200MMX. > > What's a LC475? > D. Quinn Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04823; 30 Sep 99 5:28 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WXpH-0007OJ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:28:15 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA511393); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:14:44 +0100 (BST) From: integer@www.god-emil.dk Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:14:33 +0100 Received: from saba.wwa.com [198.49.174.36] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA505919); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:14:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from [157.238.67.44] (157-238-67-044.il.verio.net [157.238.67.44]) by saba.wwa.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA06145 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:14:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199909300414.XAA06145@saba.wwa.com> X-Sender: integer@www.god-emil.dk (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:20:54 -0600 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: more surround interfaces Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >tolve t!pd: >>Audiosynth (www.audiosynth.com) makers of supercollider James McCartney t!pd >I am not there. >However I suggest you check out LCS while there >at the korporat faczist spektacl (=3Dcw4t7abs, I tend to agree ;). korporat fazc!zt zpektakl +? http://www.m9ndfukc.org/rmp/fr/e.ou!.mp2 makers + aprez `I am not there. ` =3D moving diagonally across the space http://www.m9ndfukc.org/rmp/fr/!t.lookz.l!ke.luv.mp2 http://www.m9ndfukc.org/rmp/fr/olala.mp2 >>but what of sounds moving diagonally across the space? > >That will always be problematic. 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Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:59:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from giger.unibe.ch (giger [130.92.63.40]) by iamexwi.unibe.ch (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA26296 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:59:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from huber@localhost) by giger.unibe.ch (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id IAA04420 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:59:45 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:59:45 +0200 (MET DST) From: Thomas Huber Subject: Re: oversampling To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-id: <199909300659.IAA04420@giger.unibe.ch> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > > > > 0 8192-byte soundblks .... > > > > > > Try to use headerless (raw) file format. WAV needs seeking which is not supported > > > by pipes/fifos. > > > > I just tried. Same effect: > > > > soundfile write returned bytecount of -1, not 8192 > > (disk may be full... > > closing the file ...) > > hmmm... try this: > > mkfifo foobar ; ( csound -d -m7 -h -s -H1 -o foobar blah.orc blah.sco & \ > sox -t raw -s -w -c 1 -r 44100 foobar -t wav foobar.wav ) ; rm -f foobar Just the same effect.. Csound really does not like writing to a pipe... So I have no other option, I must first write my oversampled (and float-samples) audio file to disk, and then process it... Maybe I need a new harddisk, then I won't have such problems... (-; Thomas Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05031; 30 Sep 99 8:24 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WZdo-0002vA-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:24:32 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA528309); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:25:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:25:24 +0100 Received: from root@news.cube.net [194.97.64.2] by hermes via SMTP (IAA530623); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:25:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from orpheus.selene.cube.net([193.149.39.225]) (1070 bytes) by salyko.cube.net via smtpd with P:smtp/R:bind_hosts/T:inet_zone_bind_smtp (sender: ) id for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:21:33 +0200 (MEST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #1 built 1999-Sep-2) Received: from hermes by orpheus.selene.cube.net (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA02660; Thu, 30 Sep 99 09:17:19 +0200 Message-Id: <9909300717.AA02660@orpheus.selene.cube.net> Received: by hermes.selene.cube.net (NX5.67g/NX3.0X) id AA09757; Thu, 30 Sep 99 09:17:34 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 4.2mach v148) Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.148) From: Peter =?iso-8859-1?Q?Neub=E4cker?= Date: Thu, 30 Sep 99 09:17:33 +0200 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: surround-sound support in next version Reply-To: peter@orpheus.selene.cube.net References: <000901bf09ee$7cfbb3c0$c92f893e@internetpc> Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What about DirectSound realtime input support in DirectCsound...? Can it be expected in the near future? Peter Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05123; 30 Sep 99 9:08 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WaK9-0002wD-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:08:17 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA494660); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:05:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:05:21 +0100 Received: from front3m.grolier.fr [195.36.216.53] by hermes via ESMTP (JAA449593); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:05:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from fred (ppp-172-92.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.172.92]) by front3m.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id KAA15087 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:05:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001801bf0b1a$48decf00$0200010a@fred> From: frederic Aidouni To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: New to CSound Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:03:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hiya everybody! I would like to know if anyone on this list is using his computer with CSound as an external synth expander? And if yes on what kind of computer? Thanx in advance! Fred Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05169; 30 Sep 99 9:36 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WbhN-0007VI-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:36:21 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA549086); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:33:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:33:27 +0100 Received: from emerald.oz.net [216.39.128.2] by hermes via ESMTP (JAA480587); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:33:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from madgello2 (sense-sea-56k-1-8.oz.net [216.39.131.8]) by emerald.oz.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA25768 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: madgello@oz.net MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: Rich Weisgerber To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: RE: New to CSound Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:36:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801bf0b1a$48decf00$0200010a@fred> Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk What do you mean by "external synth expander" ? That's pretty broad territory. As in "I have a MIDI Synth / keyboard / (sound card), but need to expand its sound..." ? Not trying to be mean or anything, just want to get feedback quick to you about where you want Csound to fit in your repertoire.... Csound can do many, uh, synthings.... Depends on what you want, in specific terms...... ;-) Real-time needs vs. "I have a whole bunch of time to fit this bit against that bit." makes a lot of difference also...... really. Which OS you running? ... also rich out ps, Csound rocks, when you have enough time to make 'it go'.... -----Original Message----- From: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk [mailto:owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of frederic Aidouni Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 1:03 AM To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: New to CSound hiya everybody! I would like to know if anyone on this list is using his computer with CSound as an external synth expander? And if yes on what kind of computer? Thanx in advance! Fred Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05211; 30 Sep 99 10:10 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WbIP-0002z9-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:10:33 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (KAA544987); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:07:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:07:31 +0100 Received: from front6m.grolier.fr [195.36.216.56] by hermes via ESMTP (KAA480500); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:07:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from fred (ppp-104-195.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.104.195]) by front6m.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id LAA18880 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:07:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000c01bf0b22$fac08da0$0200010a@fred> From: frederic Aidouni To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: Re: New to CSound Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:05:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >What do you mean by "external synth expander" ? > In fact, I would like to use csound as another synth in my setup. But i'm afraid by parameters like latency, number of instruments running at the same time, audio quality... >Which OS you running? ... also linux, kenel 2.2.x At the moment I have a p200mmx, and I have printed the manual last night, and looked at the opcodes, it seems that CSound is fabulous! But before buying a bigger PC (celeron 400 for example) I'm looking for some feedback about realtime CSound in a midi environnement... Fred Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05220; 30 Sep 99 10:21 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WcP9-0007Wz-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:21:35 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (KAA513255); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:19:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:19:01 +0100 Received: from emerald.oz.net [216.39.128.2] (may be forged) by hermes via ESMTP (KAA498809); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:18:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from madgello2 (sense-sea-56k-1-8.oz.net [216.39.131.8]) by emerald.oz.net (8.9.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA05716 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: madgello@oz.net MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: Rich Weisgerber To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Subject: RE: New to CSound Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:21:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01bf0b22$fac08da0$0200010a@fred> Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk You'll get a lot more feedback with this added info. Might I suggest Dave Phillips Csound on Linux pages to start... http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_csound.html This should put some more light on things while the rest of the crew picks up the leads here. rw out.... ;-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk [mailto:owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of frederic Aidouni Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 2:06 AM To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: New to CSound >What do you mean by "external synth expander" ? > In fact, I would like to use csound as another synth in my setup. But i'm afraid by parameters like latency, number of instruments running at the same time, audio quality... >Which OS you running? ... also linux, kenel 2.2.x At the moment I have a p200mmx, and I have printed the manual last night, and looked at the opcodes, it seems that CSound is fabulous! But before buying a bigger PC (celeron 400 for example) I'm looking for some feedback about realtime CSound in a midi environnement... Fred Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05264; 30 Sep 99 10:46 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WbrV-00030w-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 09:46:49 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (KAA558845); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:44 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210] by hermes via ESMTP (KAA387571); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from modem-19.umbrella.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.149.19] helo=internetpc) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WckV-0001xr-00 for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:43:39 +0100 Message-ID: <001301bf0b28$a6a9b380$1395883e@internetpc> From: richard bowers To: csound csound Subject: Fw: New to CSound Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 10:46:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk If you mean Csound being driven by a MIDI device then yes. I occasionally use a MIDI mother keyboard to drive DirectCsound on a 200Mhz Pentium (clone) machine with 32Mb ram and an SBLive! soundcard. The MIDI opcodes in DirectCsound (and, I think, Bath CSound) are extremely flexible making the PC a far greater resource than a hardware expander. Hope that helps and good luck with your experiments. Richard Bowers. > > > hiya everybody! > > > > I would like to know if anyone on this list is using his computer with > > CSound as an external synth expander? > > > > And if yes on what kind of computer? > > > > Thanx in advance! > > > > Fred > > > > > > > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05328; 30 Sep 99 11:22 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WdM6-0007YZ-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:22:30 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA385763); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:19:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:19:27 +0100 Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA565344); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 11:19:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from intercom.es (iv1-177.intercom.es [212.66.168.177]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA02911; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:19:35 +0100 Message-ID: <37F338D4.6982B9AE@intercom.es> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:17:56 +0200 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [es] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steve@babcom.u-net.com CC: Don Quinn , Csound List Subject: Re: New Csound Page References: <37F26625.FF583BC4@babcom.u-net.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id LAA565344 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It takes about 60 seconds on a P3 450 MHz Steven Cook escribi=F3: > Not bad, but I've had much faster (1:15) reported! My LC475 is a 25MHz = Mac > with no FPU. > > > > FWIW, three minutes and twenty-seven seconds (3:27) on my > > mongrel P200MMX. > > > > What's a LC475? > > D. Quinn Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa00782; 30 Sep 99 12:57 BST Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Wepc-0007bF-00 for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:57:04 +0100 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA560916); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:54:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:54:00 +0100 Received: from 0@deuro-gw.deltanet.ro [194.195.227.151] by hermes via ESMTP (MAA578173); Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:53:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from marte.Deuroconsult.ro (0@ns2.Deuroconsult.ro [195.179.253.164]) by deuro-gw-2.deltanet.ro (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24915 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:05:49 GMT Received: from ns.viromet.ro (root@ns.Viromet.ro [195.179.253.183]) by marte.Deuroconsult.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26405 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:47:12 +0300 Received: from st3.viromet.ro (st3.viromet.ro [192.168.1.3]) by ns.viromet.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09440 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:06:09 +0300 Message-ID: <000e01bf0b3a$88ce66a0$0301a8c0@viromet.ro> From: Radu GRIGOROVICI To: csound Subject: Good Bye Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:54:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm really sorry for unsubscribimg from this list, but I move to another city and another job. Thanks for all the good advices! I've learned a lot from this list. Hope I will be back soon. Happy CsounDING!!! Radu Grigorovici

Date	1999-09-27 10:22
From	tolve
Subject	more surround interfaces
	if you are at aes, and you haven't done so, you must go to the Lake DSP Room for a demonstration of 3d. Located in Room 2D15 -out of the way on a different floor entirely from the main hall. They have a comprehensive (expensive) production system in beta: Huron. "ready in about two months." not geared towards live routing in a theater mind you -for that check out Peavey MediaMatrix. also soundfield is showing their microphone in booth 1040. here are some other multichannel leads i haven't yet checked out (if they are in fact present here): audiobox ocs omnisound sounds logical (www.soundslogical.com) Audiosynth (www.audiosynth.com) makers of supercollider Thomas Chen is working on a 3d system but not currently showing. expect to meet him today. as always, those of you with a distaste for korporat fasc!ztz are cordially invited to suggest available alternatives as =cw4t7abs has in the past -i did look over it, but the email is misplaced. repost please. tolve > >at least from ergonomic perspective, a clear winner: >InMotion 3d Audio Producer PC software $995 by Wave Arts you can draw a >curve between speakers on screan, then go back, grab handles and tweak. >another window allows you to view time in a linear fashion. and they say >an update will be out in about 30 days to allow manipulation of height. > >there is a surround control "dsp7" www.soundware.dk. joystick. not clear >yet on what it works with. > >peavey mediamatrix for live mixing: routing, compression, eq... > >DVD creator from Sonic Solutions. surround production interface looks cool. >out in a couple of months. > >ProTools plugin from Kind of Loud Technologies www.kindofloud.com. > >Digital Theater Systems dts 5.1 mastering encoder & decoder. > >of course Dolby > >need to get back to sony booth re SACD > >tolve

Date	1999-09-29 15:25
From	James McCartney
Subject	Re: more surround interfaces
	At 3:22 AM -0600 9/27/99, tolve wrote: >Audiosynth (www.audiosynth.com) makers of supercollider I am not there. However I suggest you check out LCS while there at the korporat faczist spektacl (=cw4t7abs, I tend to agree ;). >but what of sounds moving diagonally across the space? That will always be problematic. LCS lets you solve this by making a geodesic grid of speakers. It IS high end though. I wrote the LCS host software and the high level DSP firmware. --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com http://www.audiosynth.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider2, a real time synth program: