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Re:[Csound]: Has anyone considered making csound a plugin eg VST, active movie?

Date1998-03-14 13:32
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectRe:[Csound]: Has anyone considered making csound a plugin eg VST, active movie?
I suspect that trying this with the PD sources is not practicable, for
ActiveMovie; Csound would need to be fully and safely re-entrant, which
it isn't, yet, and also quite a bit faster. There might be problems
supporting MIDI, too. On the other hand, I am hoping, for all sorts of
reasons, that the Analog Csound card will lend itself to use within
ActiveMovie (including making 4-channel source and renderer filters);
most people want to use ActiveMovie in real time, so hardware
acceleration seems likely to be the most effective course to me.

Richard Dobson

PS: I don't mind in the least taking the time to add the Csound name to
the subject line; can we arrive at a consensus on WHERE in the line it
should go?


Mike Thomas wrote:

> Has anyone considered making csound a plugin eg VST or active movie?






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Dear all,

I have asked James to set the subject_prefix majordomo flag to the name of the
list. This way, a [csound] gets automatically prefixed to the subject line of
every post. If noone likes that, we can always go back to the old ways... yes?


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Hi Csounders,

I'm looking for recordings of very large size bells and specially Rome's
St Peter's Cathedral bell.
I'm trying to build a library of beautifull and uncommon sound's library
for analysis, resynthesis and compositional modeling.

Does someone know where I can find that?

Thanks for your help.

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And I am looking for complete csound code to emulate them.

Thanks.



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Jean Piche wrote:
> I have asked James to set the subject_prefix majordomo flag to the name of the
> list. This way, a [csound] gets automatically prefixed to the subject line of
> every post. If noone likes that, we can always go back to the old ways... yes?

Does majordomo have a subject_suffix?  I get 32 characters of useful
subject line in an 80-column window, and it seems a pity to lose a
quarter of that for a tag that adds no information.  If I'm getting the
point of this, it's for the benefit of mail programs whose authors should
be slapped around until they discover the Sender: line?  Presumably a tag
at either end would serve equally well...

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Eli Brandt wrote:
> 
> Jean Piche wrote:
> > I have asked James to set the subject_prefix majordomo flag to the name of the
> > list. This way, a [csound] gets automatically prefixed to the subject line of
> > every post. If noone likes that, we can always go back to the old ways... yes?
> 
> Does majordomo have a subject_suffix?  I get 32 characters of useful
> subject line in an 80-column window, and it seems a pity to lose a
> quarter of that for a tag that adds no information.  If I'm getting the
> point of this, it's for the benefit of mail programs whose authors should
> be slapped around until they discover the Sender: line?  Presumably a tag
> at either end would serve equally well...

And if I'm getting the point of your objection, not doing it would be for the
benefit of mail programs whose authors should be slapped around for providing 32
characters' worth of subject line? The point is to be able to sort on "subject"
key. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a suffix would hardly do that. 


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> > And if I'm getting the point of your objection, not doing it would be for the
> > benefit of mail programs whose authors should be slapped around for providing 32
> > characters' worth of subject line?
> 
> Uhh, isn't this a limitation of monitor size, and not the mail program
> (usually)?
> He was speaking of "visible" subject line.

hmmm... 80 characters would be the usual terminal wrap... 
pine gives me at least 50 subject characters in the index and 60 in the
editor/reader (pico)...

Am i missing something or are you guys still using VIC-20's?  ;)

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Hello.

Is there a formula that can approximate the decay time of a wgpluck2 
sound? (in order to set p3 so it doesn't cut the sound nor calculate 
superfluous silence)

As I understand the pitch and the reflection coefficient directly 
interract with the decay time, the pluck position may or may not 
interract (I am not shure), and the pickup position does nothing (or 
does-it?). 

Anyone has a clue?

BEZKO
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Jean Piche wrote:
> The point is to be able to sort on "subject" key. 

OK, that's what I didn't get -- that amenability to pure field-sorting
was the goal.

(It's with good reason that people are reluctant to switch software,
but there are advantages to mail software that has the concept of
filing in different bins.  Working on every mailing list, preserving
time-ordering on personal mail, etc.)

> And if I'm getting the point of your objection, not doing it would be for the
> benefit of mail programs whose authors should be slapped around for providing 32
> characters' worth of subject line? 

I knew somebody would say that, but it's not as symmetric as it looks.
In one case, the mail-agent's author enhances it; in the other, I
reallocate screen space.  Some more of folks' names can go, but beyond
that it's buy a bigger monitor, or read painful fonts, or stop using
two windows side by side.  Or, in reality, just accept that subject
lines will be marginally less readable.  (In principle I ought to hack
my mail software to apply context-sensitive rewrite expressions to
text before displaying it.)

If the change makes people happy, fine; no real skin off my teeth.
Maybe it's less a pragmatic objection than a moral/aesthetic one, that
it's better for machine-readable information to be _used_ than to be
duplicated as visual clutter in a human-read field.  But hey, software
annoys me all the time, and I haven't snapped yet.

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I am against adding the `[csound]' tag.  First, there is simply
too much junk software around and you can't adapt to every single
piece of it.  Second, you are punishing users of decent software.
Third, and as a result, you are discouraging self-regulation of
the software market: users of brain-damaged software won't have
an incentive to switch to better software and, hence, software
vendors won't have an incentive to write better programs.

Just imagine everybody on earth would adapt to Microsofts products!

Shudder...

-Tobias Kunze



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William,

I compiled your ORC & SCO file and met with the same phenomena as you
did.  Then I tried the example in the Csound 3.47 manual -- nothing
happened at all.  It is listed below:

	kv	linseg	0, 0.5, 0, 1, 1, p3-0.5, 1
	ar	wgbow	31129.60, 440, 3.0, 0.127236, 6.12723, kv*0.01, 1
	out	ar

After doing that, I began to think that it might be another bug.  To
find out whether it is or not, I compared your file and the example in
the manual.  Then I replaced the costant 31129.60 with iamp.  Still,
everything was OK.

The last thing I did was replace 440 with kfreq, Csound hung up!!!

Is there anyone else can explain it?

PS. "i6" in your SCO file should be changed into "i1".

Regards
Qian Chen





---william sack  wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> Yes, I\'ve been exploring some of the newer "physical modelling" 
> signal generators and I can\'t get wgbow to work with anything 
> k-contolling its frequency. Am I doing something wrong here? 
> The following orc & sco cause csound to hang as though it\'s 
> waiting for more instructions. 
> 
> ;ORC
> sr=22050
> kr=2205
> ksmps=10
> nchnls=1
> instr 1
> idur =  p3
> iamp = 	p4*32000
> ifreq = p5
> 
>  kv     linseg  0, 0.5, 0, 1, 1, idur-0.5, 1 	
>  kfreq	expseg  ifreq, idur, ifreq*2		;env. for gliss.
> 		;kamp, kfreq, kpres, krat, kvibf,   kvamp,   ifn
>  a1     wgbow    iamp, kfreq,  2,     .13,  6.12723, kv*0.005, 1
>          out    a1
> endin
> 
> ;SCO
> f1 0 8192 10 1
> i6 0 1 .5 440
> e
> 
> 
> 	Also, while I\'m asking, is there any way to 
> comment-out a block of text other than putting a semicolon in 
> front of every line? I tried */ and /* and of course it didn\'t
> work.
> 
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> bsack                                     __  __     ____  ___      
___ ____
> bsack@primenet.com                       /__)/__) / / / / /_  /\  /
/_    /
>                                         /   / \  / / / / /__ /  \/
/___ 
/-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 

==
Qian Chen

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Hmm - just wondering -  how big will the  loudspeakers need to be?
#:-)))

Richard Dobson


Jim Stevenson Ph.D wrote:

> And I am looking for complete csound code to emulate them.
>
> Thanks.






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I think, until everyone on the planet can reach unanimous agreement on
what consitutes 'decent software' (can't see it happening in my
lifetime...), can we just look upon this topic as a search for a simple,
immediate and pragmatic solution, imperfect though it may be, to a
contingent practical problem for a number of subscribers? It would be
nice to think that the Csound list can change the world of software as
we know it, but it would be even nicer  to have a quick-n-dirty way of
sorting messages. However hot (or cool?) the software, it will always
lag behind our ambitions for it... :-)

Richard Dobson

Tobias Kunze wrote:

> I am against adding the `[csound]' tag.  First, there is simply
> too much junk software around and you can't adapt to every single
> piece of it.  Second, you are punishing users of decent software.
> Third, and as a result, you are discouraging self-regulation of
> the software market: users of brain-damaged software won't have
> an incentive to switch to better software and, hence, software
> vendors won't have an incentive to write better programs.
>
> Just imagine everybody on earth would adapt to Microsofts products!
>
> Shudder...
>
> -Tobias Kunze






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Yes I can explain it!
==John



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Tobias Kunze wrote:
> 
> I am against adding the `[csound]' tag.  First, there is simply
> too much junk software around and you can't adapt to every single
> piece of it.  Second, you are punishing users of decent software.
> Third, and as a result, you are discouraging self-regulation of
> the software market: users of brain-damaged software won't have
> an incentive to switch to better software and, hence, software
> vendors won't have an incentive to write better programs.
> 
> Just imagine everybody on earth would adapt to Microsofts products!

Toby,

Tell us! Youth wants to know! 
Please!
Where is the better software?

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