| Sorry if you've received this already. Something weird is going on with
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I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
k1 rand 1
k2 = int(k1+1)-1
What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
(variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
k1 rnd(1)
k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
or
k1 rand 1
k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
-----Original Message-----
From: jp [SMTP:pichejnospam@ERE.UMontreal.CA]
Subject: Re: RANDOM NUMBERS
Erik proposes (but surely does not test):
> k1 rand
> k2 = 2*int(2*k1)-1
k1 rand 1
k2 = int(k1+1)-1
on the other hand, works well.
Erik goes to the corner...
and stands in shame for the rest of the week.
[Ruston, Paul] Original posting:
>Could anyone recommend a simple way to generate random +1's and -1's
>(whole #'s - nothing in between and no zeros)?
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I personally like:
k1 rand 1
k2 = 2*int(k1+1)-1
The logic is a s follows: k1 is a random number between -1 and +1. If we
add 1 we get a random number between 0 and +2 with a mean of 1. If we take
the integer part, for values between 0 and 1 we get 0, and for values
between 1 and 1.9999999... we get 1. Multiplying 0 or 1 by 2 gives 0 or 2.
Subtracting 1 from 0 or 2 gives -1 or +1. Thus it should work. The main
error in my original formula was because I forgot rand varies from -amp to
+amp. Random number generators not in Csound usually vary from 0 to 1. The
minor error was that I forgot to include the amp argument for rand.
But whatever works for you is fine with me.
At 12:56 PM -0400 7/16/98, Ruston, Paul wrote:
>Sorry if you've received this already. Something weird is going on with
>my server.
>
>I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
>antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
>produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
>k1 rand 1
>k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
>What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
>(variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
>k1 rnd(1)
>k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
>or
>
>k1 rand 1
>k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
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Well, now you've got to get along, you've both provided the same
solution in the end. Thankyou both for your time. (next project is for
me to develope some math skills!).
Paul Ruston (don't worry, I sensed the sarcasm in your mail to Erik)
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jp [SMTP:pichejnospam@ERE.UMontreal.CA]
>Sent: July 16, 1998 2:35 PM
>To: Ruston, Paul
>Cc: 'Erik_Spjut@HMC.Edu'; 'Csound group'
>Subject: Re: RANDOM NUMBERS
>
>Paul,
>
>There is no antagonism whatsoever! I just have a weird sense of humour. The
>fact
>is I very much appreciate Erik's input on the list... but then I like to poke
>fun at myself and other occasionaly , specially when they are as sharp as
>Erik!
>But HOT DAMN!!!>>> my solution does not work!!!! it DOES produce zeros... I
>was
>misguided by the display when checking... This one here seems to work:
>
>k1 rand 1
>k2 = 2*int(k1+1)-1
>
>and thats almost the same as Erik's!
>
>> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
>> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
>> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>>
>> k1 rand 1
>> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>>
>> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
>> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>>
>> k1 rnd(1)
>> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>>
>> or
>>
>> k1 rand 1
>> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>>
>> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
>> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
>
>--
>________________________________________________________
>Jean Piche
>Universite de Montreal
>http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
>http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/electro/CEC/
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me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
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> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
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> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
Normally this wouldnt be a problem, there would be some disruption to
service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
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email list server unexpectedly got deleted.
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me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
However in this case the mail aliases database which is vital to the
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
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email list server unexpectedly got deleted.
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me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
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David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
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later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST)
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST)
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST)
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
However in this case the mail aliases database which is vital to the
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST)
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
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service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
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email list server unexpectedly got deleted.
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From: David Schuyeteneer
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Subject: Fw: RANDOM NUMBERS
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:00:47 +0200
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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From: james@maths.ex.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST)
Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, electronica@maths.ex.ac.uk
In-Reply-To: <35AE1CFE.10E3C1DC@media.mit.edu> from "Eric Scheirer" at Jul 16, 98 11:32:14 am
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
Normally this wouldnt be a problem, there would be some disruption to
service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
However in this case the mail aliases database which is vital to the
email list server unexpectedly got deleted.
So when the machine came back and started accepting queued messages all
the traffic to csound bounced.
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electronica email lists are running again.
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From: David Schuyeteneer
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Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:00:47 +0200
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This is from Paul Ruston, he has difficulties with his mailserver and asked
me
to forward it.
later,
David.
> I hope I'm not displaying my ignorance here or encouraging the
> antagonism between the two of you but doesn't Jean Piche's formula
> produce -1's and 0's instead of -1's and +1's ?
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = int(k1+1)-1
>
> What do you think of these suggestions? Is one better than the other?
> (variations of Erik Spjut's suggestion)
>
> k1 rnd(1)
> k2=2*int(2*k1)-1
>
> or
>
> k1 rand 1
> k2 = 2*int(2*abs(k1))-1
>
> And I apologize. I am one of those that does not fully understand the
> random functions (but I'm working on it). Thanks again.
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From: james@maths.ex.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Csound list postings
To: Eric Scheirer
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:53:24 +0100 (BST)
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In-Reply-To: <35AE1CFE.10E3C1DC@media.mit.edu> from "Eric Scheirer" at Jul 16, 98 11:32:14 am
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Eric Scheirer wrote
>
>Hi James,
>
>My postings to the Csound list don't seem to get through.
>At least, I don't seem to get copies. Can you check to
>see that I'm properly subscribed?
Eric, the email machine had its operating system upgraded yesterday
Normally this wouldnt be a problem, there would be some disruption to
service but 99.9% of messages would get queued and delivered later.
However in this case the mail aliases database which is vital to the
email list server unexpectedly got deleted.
So when the machine came back and started accepting queued messages all
the traffic to csound bounced.
I got the alias file from backups and as far as I know the csound and
electronica email lists are running again.
Sorry for any inconvience, these things happen
--
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