opn(k, "ftp://ftp.tzzt.bzp") || d!e "$!";
  ua!l () {
     zp!l;
  }


>Anders "Pipe/Nature" Andersson, pipe@algonet.se
>(forgive me for my very poor english, but I hope you'll understand!)
>.--- -- -  -

`poor engl!sh` = !nd!kat!v ov _?
`hope you'll understand` = 0 reazon 2 apolog!ze




\+\
      Don Quinn 
>Your posts are interesting, but certainly not profound...
>The most precious thing people have is time.

1 addtL mult!med!a hed komment.
howevr.

!f (The_most-precious_thing-people_have-is_time) {csoundzukx()}
!f (The_most-precious_thing-people_have-is_time) {humanzsuk()}

4tunatel+e.

t!me = !llnesz
t!me = parallel
1 layr prov!d!ng !nfo abaut dze !nter.akt!onz beatw!n agentz


>Can you return to them the extra time people must take to decipher
>this?


=cw4t7abs ne !nveztment op.

des!j!on = relegatd upon dze readr. 2jourz.
all dzat wh!ch = undrztood = uzelesz.
l!ke u + u + u +  . + 12 ztakx ov loopd notez eczpla!n!ng
0 + 2 humanz how profound 1 =

!t = dze undrztood wh!ch = dze ku!ver!ng w!ng
ov affektat!on
1 konglomerate ov spej!al!zd humanz
out:puTT!ng 1 regurg!tatd null po!ntr.

1 konglomerate ov konzumr zlavez
!ngezt!ng 1 regurg!tatd null po!ntr.

b.lo = affektat!on + t!p!kl akadem!k + korporate maTTr
= maTTr 1selekt1 w!ll komprehend + regard az pro.found 4 dzat v.reazon.
ma!z . dze understand!ng  kannot b generl.


>See information about
mymymymymymymymymymymymy
newnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnew
immersiveimmersiveimmersiveimmersiveimmersiveimmersive
interactiveinteractiveinteractiveinteractiveinteractiveinteractiveinteractive

== ke!word fezt 4 1 unevntful konglomerate.

>See information about my new
immersive interactive sound installation at
>http://creativeaccess.com.au/~garth/Map1/MaP1_Sound_Installation.html
>
><<  ><  >>
>. Composer, Sound Designer
>.. Interactives Designer
>... Interactive Installation Artist
>.... Exhibition Consultant
>http://www.creativeaccess.com.au/~garth
><<  ><  >>


== krapmaTTr humanz name.tag az aRt.


>affectation?

affectation?


>Or convince them that this is something more than an affectation?

onl+e             =cw4t7abs rezponz!b!l!t+e = 2 rema!n !rrezponz!bl
!f           u    =reku!re 2 b konv!nszd
am.uze       u_rself \+\


- kode

ftp://ftp.!rcam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/applications/0f0003.sea.bin

-

hTTp://194. 9.130.194/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/kodE/3kxpoL_d-k.sit.hqx
hTTp://194.19.13 .194/=cw4t7abs/0f0003/ztpd/lakk.shtml



- f!lm maTTer

tezcat.com/~antiorp/6f6e-1700k.m v
tezcat.com/~antiorp/21-990k.mo
tezcat.com/~antiorp/61-550k. ov
tezcat.com/~antiorp/63-2200k.mo
tezcat.com/~antiorp/74-947k.m v
tezcat.com/~antiorp/75-1200k. ov
tezcat.com/~antiorp/97-2000k.mo
http://194.19.130.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_a9ff-m9ndfukc. ov
http://194.19.130.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_a9ff-m9ndfukc_01.m v


- m!d! no!sz

http://194 19.130.194/spCa/filez/3t0y.zucx.sit.hqx
http://194.19.130 194/spCa/filez/-cw4t7abs_4ob1tenkr1pt1on.sit.hqx


- aud!o no!sz

http://194. 9.130.194/spCa/filez/kr0p3r0m-a9ff_trk-38.0.5.mp3
http://194.19.1 0.194/spCa/filez/kr0p3r0m_-a9ff_midi-t3kxt.mp3
http://194.19.130.1 4/spCa/filez/kr0p3r0m_a9ff.trk97+.mp3
http://1 4.19.130.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_a9ff-humanzsukc.mp3
http://194.1 .1 0.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_a9ff_trk47.mp3
http://194.19.130.1 4/spCa/filez/krop3rom_hiv-sekuensz.mp3
http://194. 9.130.194/spCa/filez/ppc.71oo.8o_rom.data.mp3
http://194.1 .130.194/=cw4t7abs/=cw4t7abs.mp3

- hTTp kode + gFx

http://194.19.   .194/=cw4t7abs/=cw4t7abs






>Hm?

akute.s!rkumflecz.grav.akk.sentz.
4 an+e agent knoledge = add+d || retraktd

>>
>> >                       5176176 17 d23 84+7
>>

s!mulakrum. 3ntr0p!k traschb!n.

\\ kqmL _\- krepe pap!r - m3ntl r!surkulat!on
kont!n!ouz !nterpenetra!t!on.!nternl veLt.!ntegral konsc!ouznesz.
burth ov 1 m9ndkonta!nr - ztupenduz kømplecz!t+e + gat!ng mekcan1zmz mod.
d
 z e !nfluensz. kap!llar+e.

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>Having a bad day, cw4t7abs?

shortku+ |2| th!nk!ng.
howevr - |2| enterta!n dze tv m9nd \\ komment.
an!      |1| name-tagg!ng maTTr s!ng!ng !n dze bath spasz
       = |0| aesthet!kx. dze kra!zd paral!z!ng ugl!f!kat!on ov dze veLt
kont!nuez.

francoise ulam at dze !naugurat!on ov dze ulam lekturez.

stan u see was 1 very playful man. + he never kons!dered th!nk!ng `work`
but rather `play` - as !n play!ng w!th mathemat!kl !deaz or !nvent!ng
mathemat!kl gamez. he altzo took great del!ght !n play!ng w!th wordz.
dze klever t!tle ov 2n!ghtz lekture ` komplecz!t+e made s!mpl` would pleaze
h!m v. much ! th!nk - bkauz !t = dze k!nd ov paradox he l!ked. so w!thout
furdr ado i y!eld dze floor 2 john holland who w!ll etc etc komplcx z!stemz
+ odr z!mpl matter.


!t = appearz zelekt humanz pozes 1 paradocz.s!k+al talent 4 dze ultra
obv!ouz + mundane.

!f `mak!ng komplecz!t+e z!mpl` = klevr . `s!ng!ng !n dze bath` = klevr.
l!kel+e dze! both = fa!ld attemptz at elokuensz =~ numerourz odrz
fa!ld attemptz \\ phat degreez + grantz + dze zupport ov
1 konglomerate ov coll.eagues + soc!etl zlavez ne !ntell!gensz || ab!l!t+e



>I'd love to get a copy of the CD--jpff, you need to
>give us more international ordering information, as
>(unlike cw4t7abs, apparently) I have not yet managed
>to locate the University of Bath in the United States
>of America.


rev!s!on level: empt+e
maths.bath.ac.uk


>>Nice. Very Nice !  Is it possible to send a copy to Europe to ?
>>What'll be the price for overseas orders ??? (I live in Belgium)
>
>
>>David.


board !d: empt+e
maths.bath.ac.uk




>re: "(blo.evr!th!ng.up)"
>
>I find this, and all the other anti-fascist rants,
>very funny coming from an entity hailing from an
>apparent Deutsch locale.

ev!densz okvern@ix.netcom.com = prezet boczs.
=~ 99.9 prozent ov l!ve humanz.

zmak m9nd konta!nr furdr.
http://www.god-emil.dk/=cw4t7abs

akadem!a + 1 step = fasc!zm
fasc!zm + 1 step = yankee zwazt!ka

undr all s!rkumztansz onl+e dzat wh!ch lakx = reproduSSd.


>Should we judge you by
>the policies and history of your state?

we = _?

howevr - 2 enterta!n dze mult!med!a-hed \\ komment.

  plasz!ng jewz b4 amer!kan !nd!anz
+ plasz!ng jewz b4 afr!kanz
+ plasz!ng jewz b4 dze ethn!k amalgam
  kurrentl+e zmakd b! de yankee war mask!n
= amer!kan  [amer!kan != nat!onal!t+e. !t = !deolog!e]

revolvr < $


>Some of the other stuff you've posted is
>interesting, though.

= !rrelevant

=cw4t7abs != pro.dukt


l.ete les commun!cat!onz peut-etre ver!f!abl
le v!e dans la future vouz tournera! zauf
role et s!gn!f!kat!on de l.ensemble +?
le charge le soursz je va!s ma!ntenant
quelle est le pr!v!lege des mortz +?
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ma!s je ne sa!s pas encore. kap!tal de la
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Message written at 23 Jun 1998 11:29:20 +0100
--- Copy of mail to zarmzarm@hotmail.com ---
In-reply-to: <19980620205656.10698.qmail@hotmail.com> (message from Paul
	Winkler on Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:56:55 PDT)
References:  <19980620205656.10698.qmail@hotmail.com>

I was given code recently which for the Windows version sets teh -b
size to half teh -B sixe; I did not understand why but as realtime
output is just not important to me (listen to the sounds I like!) I
just accepted it as from a "usually-reliable-source".  If you want
control of -b and -B from the dialog it is easy to arrange.
=John











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From: luis jure 
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Subject: re_books
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Two essential books in computer music in general:

Dodge, Charles & Thomas Jerse (2nd. ed. 1997)
Computer Music: Synthesis, Composition and Performance, Schirmer.

Roads, Curtis (1996)
The Computer Music Tutorial, MIT Press.

Moore's book (Elements of Computer Music, see previous mail) seems to
be out of print. I'm trying myself to find a copy for our library.
Perhaps we should start nagging Prentice Hall for a reprint?

These are two new books on DSP. I haven't read them, but they are
supposedly quite good and very practical:

Broesch, James (1997)
Digital Signal Processing Demystified

Proakis, John & Dimitris Manolakis (1997)
Digital Signal Processing: Principles, Algorithms, and Applications


The following are collections of papers on synthesis and DSP, as well
as other aspects of computer music:

Mathews, Max & John Pierce, eds. (1989)
Current Directions in Computer Music Research, MIT Press.

Roads, Curtis & John Strawn, eds. (1985) 
Foundations of Computer Music, MIT Press.

Roads, Curtis, & John Pierce, eds. (1990) 
The Music Machine, MIT Press.

Roads, Curtis, ed. (1985) 
Composers and the Computer, William Kaufmann, Inc.

Strawn, John, ed. (1985)
Digital Audio Signal Processing: An Anthology, A-R Editions

Strawn, John, ed. (1985)
Digital Audio Engineering: An Anthology, A-R Editions



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>Moore's book (Elements of Computer Music, see previous mail) seems to
>be out of print. I'm trying myself to find a copy for our library.
>Perhaps we should start nagging Prentice Hall for a reprint?

it was the bookstore at either uc san diego or at stanford that told me
they had this in stock.  my local retailers have given me the impression
that they could order it.  i'm hesitating only because soft cover is $64.00.

rh


Ron Herrema
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to what's deep in deep,
to what's down in down,
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herremar@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
> 
> >Moore's book (Elements of Computer Music, see previous mail) seems to
> >be out of print. I'm trying myself to find a copy for our library.
> >Perhaps we should start nagging Prentice Hall for a reprint?
> 
> it was the bookstore at either uc san diego or at stanford that told me
> they had this in stock.  my local retailers have given me the impression
> that they could order it.  i'm hesitating only because soft cover is $64.00.

I know the Stanford bookstore had a copy last time I was there.  $64.00
is a lot, but I believe that the book is printed on demand, which would
explain the price.  As far as the original posting, this is THE book
that fulfills that description: in-depth descriptions of most of the
major digital synthesis techniques, heavy on the mathematical details,
with C code provided for most of the techniques described.  Not a good
book for beginners, but a good book to work up to - I'm still working on
learning the math necessary to really appreciate the book.

As far as other books, Dodge and Jerse's "Computer Music" is an
excellent first book - good balance of introduction to techniques and
technical description.

Sean Costello











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To: 'Sean Costello' 
Cc: "'csound@noether.ex.ac.uk'" 
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A bit off topic, but I have been trying to teach myself mathematics
applicable to different music topics - especially tuning, composition
and now synthesis but generally I'm using different formulas that I
don't fully understand and don't have the knowledge to expand on.  Does
anyone have any suggestions as to what branch(es) of mathematics would
be most beneficial for me to go back to square one with.  Calculus has
been suggested, does this seem appropriate?  I'll likely try and audit a
first year course in the appropriate subject.  Or, what are some of your
individual backgrounds in mathematics, electronics, etc that have been
helpful to you?

Thanks for your time, sorry for the diversion.
Paul Ruston.  

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Sean Costello [SMTP:costello@seanet.com]
>Sent:	June 23, 1998 5:58 AM
>To:	herremar@pilot.msu.edu
>Cc:	csound@noether.ex.ac.uk
>Subject:	Re: re_books
>
>herremar@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
>> 
>> >Moore's book (Elements of Computer Music, see previous mail) seems to
>> >be out of print. I'm trying myself to find a copy for our library.
>> >Perhaps we should start nagging Prentice Hall for a reprint?
>> 
>> it was the bookstore at either uc san diego or at stanford that told me
>> they had this in stock.  my local retailers have given me the impression
>> that they could order it.  i'm hesitating only because soft cover is
>>$64.00.
>
>I know the Stanford bookstore had a copy last time I was there.  $64.00
>is a lot, but I believe that the book is printed on demand, which would
>explain the price.  As far as the original posting, this is THE book
>that fulfills that description: in-depth descriptions of most of the
>major digital synthesis techniques, heavy on the mathematical details,
>with C code provided for most of the techniques described.  Not a good
>book for beginners, but a good book to work up to - I'm still working on
>learning the math necessary to really appreciate the book.
>
>As far as other books, Dodge and Jerse's "Computer Music" is an
>excellent first book - good balance of introduction to techniques and
>technical description.
>
>Sean Costello
>











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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 11:42:30 -0700
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If you can find the list archive (I can never remember where it is) there
was a pretty good discussion about a year ago on what math to take. To
summarize: Most Csounding can be done with algebra and analytic geometry.
To understand the foundations of signal processing and maybe derive your
own formulas you need calculus through calculus of complex variables and
ordinary differential equations. To fully understand physical modelling you
need partial differential equations. To answer a PARTICULAR question
without studying all of the math, post a question to the list. A few of
your responses will say in essence "any idiot can do this." A few will be
way over your head, and a few will explain things in terms you can use.

At 1:59 PM -0400 6/23/98, Ruston, Paul wrote:
>A bit off topic, but I have been trying to teach myself mathematics
>applicable to different music topics - especially tuning, composition
>and now synthesis but generally I'm using different formulas that I
>don't fully understand and don't have the knowledge to expand on.  Does
>anyone have any suggestions as to what branch(es) of mathematics would
>be most beneficial for me to go back to square one with.  Calculus has
>been suggested, does this seem appropriate?  I'll likely try and audit a
>first year course in the appropriate subject.  Or, what are some of your
>individual backgrounds in mathematics, electronics, etc that have been
>helpful to you?

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i would bet that ucsd has this book available, as moore is dean of music there
or something.

pete



herremar@pilot.msu.edu wrote:

> >Moore's book (Elements of Computer Music, see previous mail) seems to
> >be out of print. I'm trying myself to find a copy for our library.
> >Perhaps we should start nagging Prentice Hall for a reprint?
>
> it was the bookstore at either uc san diego or at stanford that told me
> they had this in stock.  my local retailers have given me the impression
> that they could order it.  i'm hesitating only because soft cover is $64.00.
>
> rh
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> Ron Herrema
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>Dodge, Charles & Thomas Jerse (2nd. ed. 1997)
>Computer Music: Synthesis, Composition and Performance, Schirmer.

	Yeah, ya just gotta have this one.....

>Roads, Curtis (1996)
>The Computer Music Tutorial, MIT Press.

	Just saw this on Amazon. It looks great. Would it make a suitable
kind-of-replacement if one can't find Moore's renowned book? Or should I
just keep trying for Moore?

>Broesch, James (1997)
>Digital Signal Processing Demystified

	Just got this one. A good basic 'topical overview' that will clear up
basic questions and concepts, but will leave the real nutsnbolts hungry DSP
fiend looking for more (or Moore, heheh....).

>Proakis, John & Dimitris Manolakis (1997)
>Digital Signal Processing: Principles, Algorithms, and Applications
>
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Hi CSounders,

I guess this has been asked already:

Where can I find documentation about all the physical modeling opcodes and
generally all undocumented one (mandol, marimba, moog, vibes, voice, shaker,
"wg" opcodes etc...) and also (osciliaa, oscilikk, osciliak, oscilika, osciln...)

Regards.

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Dear CSounders,


Is it possible to set the score PMAX to more than 5000 and how to do it?

I'm working on substractive synthesis with prior soundfile analysis which can
be fascinating if I can increase this PMAX. The actual setting allowing me
only 1 second of synthesis.

Regards.

-- 
Jean-Michel DARREMONT