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The version I have here now does have them independently controlable.
Look for a release soon I guess. There are a number of not-very-
interesting changes happening at present....
==John
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Sorry for yet another message (please note that I am sending each query
as a separate message so that the subject line will sum it all up. Please
let me know--via non-list mail--if you prefer that everything go into one
message).
I would like to hear from other users that are using Macs or PowerMacs.
I'm especially interested to know which version of Csound/perf for the
Mac you are using. It took me a long time to find a combo that worked.
I'd like to know if there is a consensus about the best version to use.
Thanks again. That's all for today.
Edward
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Is there a searchable archive of past mailing list messages or a
downloadable archive of the past messages?
I have a bunch of questions and hate to bother the list with questions
that have been answered a billion times before.
Thanks,
Edward
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Subject: Cecilia won't open some orc/sco
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In my attempt to learn CSound, I have been trying to download and as many
scores and orcs as possible to get a better sense of how people do things.
I have mostly been using Cecilia 2.0 as my front-end to CSound (on a
powermac 9600). Some orcs (and they do have matching scores), don't
become opened/imported when I open them (using the Open menu item in the
File menu). Note that I don't get any error message, they simply don't
appear in the window that usually displays the orc and sco.
Any ideas.
Thanks,
Edward
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re: "I have mostly been using Cecilia 2.0 as my front-end to CSound (on a
powermac 9600). Some orcs (and they do have matching scores), don't
become opened/imported when I open them (using the Open menu item in the
File menu). Note that I don't get any error message, they simply don't
appear in the window that usually displays the orc and sco."
I had this same problem--it was a bug in Cecilia 2.0 that was fixed in 2.01
(or 2.02? I'm not at my csound machine and can't check) for the PowerMac. You
could open scores but not orchestras--a workaround was to open the .orc in the
score window, then copy it to the orchestra window, and then open the .sco in
the score window. The update fixes the problem.
I haven't seen mail from the Cecilia list for a long time--is it dead?
Thanks,
Olav
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Does anyone know whether this is still the Internet address for Patchwork by Keith Lent and Russell Pinkston?
ftp://indigo.pac.utexas.edu/pub/windows/Patchwork
I haven't been able to access this site for over a month.
Thanks.
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Hi,
Edward Spiegel wrote:
>Is there a searchable archive of past mailing list messages or a
>downloadable archive of the past messages?
A month or so ago someone was about to do something about fixing the archive
(which seems to have been broken for 6 months or so) when the archive
mysteriously began functioning again. Alas it only continued to function
for about 1-2 days and has been broken since. I sure made use of the
archive back when it was reliable. I used to like to post examples so that
I could refer to them on the archive when I was at a remote computer. It
would sure be nice if someone would implement a web archive.
Bye,
Hans Mikelson
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From: Hans Mikelson
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Subject: Problem Compiling Csound with MS Visual C++ 5.0 Learning Ed.
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:22:10 -0500
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Hi,
I'm trying to learn some MS Windows programming and to start to start with I
thought I would try to compile Csound (I also want to implement some new
opcodes). The program first wanted to create a new project file which
seemed to go OK. Then it had trouble finding things until I moved the files
up to d:\csound\. Now it compiles OK but when it is time to link I get the
following error:
Linking...
LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "nafxcw.lib"
Error executing link.exe.
When I search for this in help the help file it says:
Object-code libraries for MFC use the following naming conventions. The
library names have the form
uAFXcWd.LIB
where the letters shown in italic lowercase are placeholders for specifiers
whose meanings are shown in the table Library Naming Conventions below:
etc...
NAFXCW.LIB
Release version
Note If you need to build a library version, see the Readme.Txt file in the
\MFC\Src directory. This file describes using the supplied makefile with
NMake.
Searching the CD for this file I find:
To build a library in a particular configuration, use the NMAKE tool
and the makefile which is in this directory. The following arguments
can be given to NMAKE to successfully build a specific library variant.
NMAKE {DEBUG=[0|1]} {BROWSE=[0|1]} {BROWSEONLY={0|1} \
{CODEVIEW=[0|1|2]} {OBJ=path} \
{PLATFORM=INTEL|ALPHA|MIPS|PPC|M68K|MPPC} \
{UNICODE=[0|1]} \
{OPT=}
Previous versions of MFC supported MODEL and TARGET options to control the
memory model and to support DOS/CONSOLE mode targetting. These options are
no longer supported (your Win32 console application can still be linked to
the GUI MFC library, NAFXCW[D].LIB).
Now there doesn't seem to be any makefile in this directory.
Anyone have any idee-ers?
Bu-Bye,
Hans Mikelson
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Hi Hans,
maybe the file "nafxcw.lib" is not included in Learning edition of MSVC
5.0. Verify it! However MFC classes are not needed if you compile csound
in console mode. To compile Csound in console mode, you must create a
new project file (be sure to select "Win32 Console Application" when
creating it), name it "consound", then in the "Project-Settings"
dialog-box, you must switch to the "C/C++" table and be sure that the
"Preprocessor definition" text-box contains the following text:
NDEBUG,WIN32,_CONSOLE,SFIRCAM,PIPES,MACROS,RTAUDIO,MSVC,GAB_RT
(for the release version) or:
_DEBUG,WIN32,_CONSOLE,SFIRCAM,PIPES,MACROS,RTAUDIO,MSVC,GAB_RT
for the debug version.
Also, if you want enable realtime operations, be sure to add the text
"winmm.lib" to the "Object/Library modules" text-box of the "link"
tab in the Project-Settings dialog-box
Finally, add all the source files to the project and try to compile it.
All these compiler options are valid for Professional edition of MSVC. I
don't know if Learning edition sopport all of them. Good luck!
Happy compiling!
--
Gabriel Maldonado
http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm
Hans Mikelson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to learn some MS Windows programming and to start to start
> with I
> thought I would try to compile Csound (I also want to implement some
> new
> opcodes). The program first wanted to create a new project file which
>
> seemed to go OK. Then it had trouble finding things until I moved the
> files
> up to d:\csound\. Now it compiles OK but when it is time to link I
> get the
> following error:
>
> Linking...
> LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file "nafxcw.lib"
> Error executing link.exe.
>
> When I search for this in help the help file it says:
>
> Object-code libraries for MFC use the following naming conventions.
> The
> library names have the form
> uAFXcWd.LIB
> where the letters shown in italic lowercase are placeholders for
> specifiers
> whose meanings are shown in the table Library Naming Conventions
> below:
> etc...
> NAFXCW.LIB
> Release version
>
> Note If you need to build a library version, see the Readme.Txt file
> in the
> \MFC\Src directory. This file describes using the supplied makefile
> with
> NMake.
>
> Searching the CD for this file I find:
>
> To build a library in a particular configuration, use the NMAKE tool
> and the makefile which is in this directory. The following arguments
> can be given to NMAKE to successfully build a specific library
> variant.
> NMAKE {DEBUG=[0|1]} {BROWSE=[0|1]} {BROWSEONLY={0|1} \
> {CODEVIEW=[0|1|2]} {OBJ=path} \
> {PLATFORM=INTEL|ALPHA|MIPS|PPC|M68K|MPPC} \
> {UNICODE=[0|1]} \
> {OPT=}
> Previous versions of MFC supported MODEL and TARGET options to control
> the
> memory model and to support DOS/CONSOLE mode targetting. These options
> are
> no longer supported (your Win32 console application can still be
> linked to
> the GUI MFC library, NAFXCW[D].LIB).
>
> Now there doesn't seem to be any makefile in this directory.
>
> Anyone have any idee-ers?
>
> Bu-Bye,
> Hans Mikelson
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Since I don't have a visacard to order those wonderful books on
computermusic over the net, I wonder if someone of you know some basic
methods to calculate harmonic freqs from a given freq....Assume I have
a sound with most emphasized freq is a 440Hz....Ok. Now I want to add
some other sound, how can i alter the sound's main pitch so that it
sounds harmonic with the previous sound ???
Most of my Csound time goes to constructing dronal, rich layered,slow
ambient. A *HUGE* problem is that mostly my sounds are extremely
overlapping, with (besides also in amplitude) slow changes in frequency,
causing very annoying 'false'tones sometimes due to the pitch changes..
I HAVE to find a way that I can tell Csound to take care that my
overlapping sounds never sound false...How ???
David.
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A while ago I bought an excellent looking book, which I am yet to
read:
Digital Filter Designer's Handbook 2nd Edition
With C++ Algorithms
C. Britton Rorabaugh
(Includes a floppy with C++ source code.)
McGraw Hill 1997 ISBN 0-07-053806-9
I need to learn more about calculus before I start to read this
seriously. I have attempted to get by without this mathematical
knowledge, and while it can be done with certain Finite Impulse
Response filters, maths is a crucial part of understanding IIR
filtering and probably a lot of FIR too.
A site with quite a few DSP books:
http://www.noblepub.com/Crestone/DigitalSignalProcessing.html
- Robin
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This is possibly a non-trivial problem! If you have timbrally rich sounds (even
if fully harmonic), drifting apart in pitch, you are bound to get beats, as
partials shift in and out of critical regions. As far as basic harmonic tuning
is concerned, forget about equal temperament, and look at 'mean-tone' pure
intervals, derived from the simple ratios of the harmonic series (ocatve = 2/1,
perfect fifth= 3/2, major third = 4/3, and so on). If you want to build up
complex harmonies, you might need to remove certain harmonics from one sound,
which would otherwise clash with one or more in another sound. Unless you are
using fully-determined additive synthesis, this will not be easy!
Richard Dobson
David Schuyeteneer wrote:
>
> Since I don't have a visacard to order those wonderful books on
> computermusic over the net, I wonder if someone of you know some basic
> methods to calculate harmonic freqs from a given freq....Assume I have
> a sound with most emphasized freq is a 440Hz....Ok. Now I want to add
> some other sound, how can i alter the sound's main pitch so that it
> sounds harmonic with the previous sound ???
>
> Most of my Csound time goes to constructing dronal, rich layered,slow
> ambient. A *HUGE* problem is that mostly my sounds are extremely
> overlapping, with (besides also in amplitude) slow changes in frequency,
> causing very annoying 'false'tones sometimes due to the pitch changes..
>
> I HAVE to find a way that I can tell Csound to take care that my
> overlapping sounds never sound false...How ???
>
> David.
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