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Re: problem with soundin on winsound 3.52

Date1999-07-22 13:35
Fromrasmus ekman
SubjectRe: problem with soundin on winsound 3.52
Kurt S Nelson wrote:
> 
> The soundin opcode will not open .wav files
> 
> It seems to work about half the time on the soundin.aiff file included
> with toot8, but not with any of the .wav files on my drive regardless of
> the directory they are in.

Hi,

The directories are not regardless, or at least you can't be
when playing with them. Csound finds files 
- from a full path, if you give that. 
- in the directory of the Csound binary
- in the dir defined by SFDIR/SSDIR/SADIR, depending on what
  the file is to be used for. For input soundfiles SSDIR takes 
  priority, else SFDIR is used.

What warnings/messages do you get? - does it not find the
file, or does it find the file faulty or what - you gotta be
very specific here.

There are some notes on how to set up Csound on PC 
(environment variables and such), at
http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/PCinstal.htm
- it's outdated, but most of it still works I think
(gotta fix that now, yuk).

The main point for info on Csound is the MIT frontpage, at
http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/csound/frontpage.html

Oh, and do get the latest binary from Bath; 3.52 is good 
enough, but the present one (3.56) is probably even better.


Cheers,

	re


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sndinfo is the utility which tells you how many samples there are in a
sound file.  In Csound3.56 you can then use the syntax [@1234] to give
you the next power of two if needed.
==John


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Just for a change I did not announce when I put v3.56 on the server to
see if anyone would notice.  Surely I must have left bugs in it,
missed files or something; I usually do.

A number of bug fixes (like pset now works, follow fixed), the @ and
@@ operators in scores, and new opcodes -- clockon clockoff readclock
resony fold vincr clear fout foutk fouti foutir fiopen fin fink fini 

Added access to SADIR SSDIR and SFDIR in Windows GUI.

Known bug in the clock opcodes (now fixed).
Still a number of outstanding things to do for next time.

==John ff



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Hi!

I missed reading this thread but some another jp person on this list told me 
that now it's more easier to make csound more friendly to Japanese users...
just(?) by translating about 15 hundred txt files?

well..you know jp-people are vvery bad in handling English so I can't promiss 
completing the work and even if I could it might take years..and can't catch 
up the version going up...but I think it's worth trying and is a good way to 
learn the struture of inside csound..

planning to start (may be next of next weekend) running a Japanese mailing-list
where people can co-translate the files in a "mmm..does this mean that way" 
way..
to do that 
we must pick up the txt thing itself and make it seen on the open to public 
list..
will this cause any trouble? > John

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BUYO-BUYO-IGOR
buyobuyo@i.am
http://listen.to/igor

COOL WEIRD JAPAN
http://hello.to/coolweirdjapan

SaRiGaMa's Oil Vending Orchestra
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I have some sound files in .au format (NeXT/Sun format) that I would like to
convert to .wav or .aiff format.  Cool Edit claims it can read them, but
when I interpret them as Intel PCM, all I get is noise.
I know the original files are fine ( I can play them in media player. )

can anyone help?

thanks

Paul




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There is an attempt to do teh Japanese translation by kanata@tokyo.interq.or.jp
and it may be my turn to explain a problem.e translations are of
C format strings, and there are some word order problesm.  
  I suggest that you contact Kanata Motohashi directly if you wish to help
I know he has already put some work into it.  At present teh file-in-progress
is on my Linux machine, so I cannot share the translations I do have.

Slight problem is that with 3.56 there are a few more strings to translate -- 
1552 in all now.

I am still progressing with teh French version by teh way.

==John


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when i run the score below, i crash the win98 console version of
csound.  when i run it in gabriels direct csound, if runs fine.  i have
the latest version of each.

here is the windows error:
CSOUND caused an invalid page fault in
module CSOUND.EXE at 023f:0045d78d.
Registers:
EAX=00000000 CS=023f EIP=0045d78d EFLGS=00010246
EBX=007d0430 SS=0247 ESP=006afd88 EBP=00475a34
ECX=ffffffff DS=0247 ESI=00000005 FS=c9c7
EDX=00006372 ES=0247 EDI=00006372 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
f2 ae f7 d1 49 3b ce 76 15 80 3c 16 3d 75 0f 56 
Stack dump:
006cc8f6 007d4b88 00000002 00000000 0041574a 00475a34 0042c48f 0047bbe0
004765a8 006afde4 007d0378 00000000 007d4660 00000034 0000001a 00000002 

after this error, it returns 'Process completed successfully'

any pointers?

:P


here is the csd file:




-W -d -o c:\csound\waves\matrix.wav
;-+O -m0 -d -+K0 -+X0 -b1000




sr=44100
kr=44100
ksmps=1
nchnls=1

instr 1

kint init 1

a11 phasor p6
a12 phasor p7
a13 phasor p8
a14 phasor p9
a15 phasor p10
a16 phasor p11
a17 phasor p12

if kint != 1 goto next2
a1 = sin(a11*6.2831853071796)
goto end
next2:
if kint != 2 goto next3
a1 = sin(a12*6.2831853071796)
goto end
next3:
if kint != 3 goto next4
a1 = sin(a13*6.2831853071796)
goto end
next4:
if kint != 4 goto next5
a1 = sin(a14*6.2831853071796)
goto end
next5:
if kint != 5 goto next6
a1 = sin(a15*6.2831853071796)
goto end
next6:
if kint != 6 goto next7
a1 = sin(a16*6.2831853071796)
goto end
next7:
a1 = sin(a17*6.2831853071796)
end:

	out	a1*p4
	
if kint = 7 goto redo
kint = kint + 1
goto endinst
redo:
kint = 1
endinst:
	
endin





i1 0 3 14000 7 450 360 260 234 623 547 573 
e





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Hi,

I've been having trouble lately getting CSound to work; when I click
"render" in the front end, nothing happens (Perf doesn't launch). It
seemed to be working before, then in would work "sometimes" (for
instance, if I launched Perf and then clicked "Open CSound"), now the
front end never launches Perf.

I've tried this with CSound 1.2 and both Perf versions 3.54 and 3.55,
and get the same result.

I'm running MacOS 8.6, with 64 meg of RAM. Any clue what might be
causing this?

Brandon Nelson

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Version 3.56 of the Acrobat and zipped HTML manuals are now available for
download at:

http://www.geocities.com/~csoundmanual

The release of the Acrobat Edition includes update files, as usual.

Also, an on-line HTML manual is available at the same site, also in 3.56
version.

Happy Csounding.

-David.


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Hi Dan,

   First of all, I really enjoyed your composition at the Csound workshop,
keep up the great work!

When I looked at your .orc the first thought that came to my mind was, have
you played with the decay on your kenv?? It's pretty short. I wonder if you
could get the decay to start just before the sample is finished sounding if
that would eliminate the click.
At any rate, it's great to be able to associate a face with the name, and,
good luck.

Michael Rhoades

http://www.innerlightpub.com/rhoadsmith
----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Nass 
To: Matt J. Ingalls 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: table and phasor


> Thanks for you reply, Matt.  Unfortunately, I'm still a little
thick-headed.
>
> I am making sure the table size is greater than that of the file  (there
> are 106752 samples in the file, so my table size should be 131072,
right?).
>  The only way I seem to be able to avoid this problem is to add silence so
> that the length of the file is EXACTLY 131072 samples in the file, even if
> the last 25000 or so are only silence.  It also seems that it puts the
huge
> clip at the exact point the original soundfile ends.
>
> Let me try to explain better.  My original file that I'm calling in with
> GEN01 is 106752 samples long.  The resultant file, after using table and
> GEN 01 to call in the file is 131072 samples long with a huge SNAP at
> 106752.  This happens with just about any sample I try and use, unless the
> sample's length is close to a power of 2.  Sorry if this doesn't make
sense
> but let me know if you have any other advice.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Dan
>
>
> P.S.  Here is the orc and sco that I'm using:
>
> ;ORCHESTRA
> sr=44100
> kr=4410
> ksmps=10
> nchnls=1
>
> instr 1
> kenv linen 20000, .01, p3, .01
> aph phasor 1/p3
> a1 table aph, 1, 1
> a1 = a1    *   kenv
> out a1
>
> endin
>
>
>
> ;SCORE
> f1 0 131072    1 5 0 4 1
>
> i1 0 2.972
>
> *************************************************************
>
> Daniel Nass http://cctr.umkc.edu/~dnass/
>
> "Wherever we are, what we hear is mostly noise.
> When we ignore it, it disturbs us. When we listen
> to it, we find it fascinating."
>
>                                             John Cage (1961)
>
> *************************************************************
>



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this thread is yet
another reason to get the sndinfo as an opcode.  i'll try to get to it
this weekend...

-matt





On Thu, 22 Jul 1999 jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:

> sndinfo is the utility which tells you how many samples there are in a
> sound file.  In Csound3.56 you can then use the syntax [@1234] to give
> you the next power of two if needed.
> ==John
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Daniel,

> I am making sure the table size is greater than that of the file  (there
> are 106752 samples in the file, so my table size should be 131072, right?).

	just to make sure: that's 2.42 seconds, not 2.9 as your score p3.

> GEN 01 to call in the file is 131072 samples long with a huge SNAP at
> 106752.  This happens with just about any sample I try and use, unless the

	i still think you need to use "raw" index mode for your table.
what is happening is you are using "normalized" so you get to the end of
the table(not the file!) by time p3, which is when your envelope is
decaying - i think what you want is the envelope to be sync'd with the
file, right?

see if changing your table statement to:
	a1    table   106752*aph, 1, 0
and your p3 time to:
	2.42
and see if that works.
-matt

 > > ;ORCHESTRA
> sr=44100
> kr=4410
> ksmps=10
> nchnls=1
> 
> instr 1
> kenv	linen	20000, .01, p3, .01
> aph	phasor	1/p3
> a1	table	aph, 1, 1
> a1	=	a1    *   kenv
> out 	a1
> 
> endin
> 
> 
> 
> ;SCORE
> f1	0	131072	   1	5	0	4	1
> 
> i1	0	2.972					
> 
> *************************************************************
>      
> Daniel Nass		http://cctr.umkc.edu/~dnass/
>      
> "Wherever we are, what we hear is mostly noise. 
> When we ignore it, it disturbs us. When we listen 
> to it, we find it fascinating." 
>      
>                                             John Cage (1961)
>      
> *************************************************************
> 



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Cool Edit can read .au files, though I did find a bug in the first
version of Cool Edit Pro in reading .au files which contained random
data in the nominally empty parts of the header. The problem with
reading them as raw PCM is that .au format samples are big-endian
(whereas Intel data a la WAV is little-endian). Cool Edit does provide a
byteswap function, which is well worth trying to see if that sorts out
the problem. However, unless there really is something odd about the
files, Cool Edit ~should~ be able to read them anyway.

Richard Dobson 

Paul Barrett wrote:
> 
> I have some sound files in .au format (NeXT/Sun format) that I would like to
> convert to .wav or .aiff format.  Cool Edit claims it can read them, but
> when I interpret them as Intel PCM, all I get is noise.
> I know the original files are fine ( I can play them in media player. )
> 
> can anyone help?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Paul

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is anyone else getting old posts showing up.  today i got two messages
from 7/8/99.  it seems every few days, some old messages show up, from
old threads.  anyone else having this problem, or is my machine belching
these from /dev/null ?

:P


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I had this happen last week, but only once.
-David.

--- pete moss  wrote:
> is anyone else getting old posts showing up.  today i got two messages
> from 7/8/99.  it seems every few days, some old messages show up, from
> old threads.  anyone else having this problem, or is my machine belching
> these from /dev/null ?
> 
> :P
> 



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I'm getting them too.

On Thu, 22 Jul 1999, pete moss wrote:

> is anyone else getting old posts showing up.  today i got two messages
> from 7/8/99.  it seems every few days, some old messages show up, from
> old threads.  anyone else having this problem, or is my machine belching
> these from /dev/null ?
> 
> :P
> 




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>I had this happen last week, but only once.
>-David.


It happen to me too...
AvS

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thanx John for the info..

> There is an attempt to do teh Japanese translation by kanata@tokyo.interq.or.jp

ah yes he is the person that i was talking about the jp-things..

> and it may be my turn to explain a problem.e translations are of
> C format strings, and there are some word order problesm. 

oh!
what is prepared and what we have to produce
it's not a simple txt-file?
I myself is not a programmer..so..do not have C-programming-tools..
will this make things impossible?
mm..he's might be also reading this so...maybe he'll correct my misunderstandings..
 
> Slight problem is that with 3.56 there are a few more strings to translate -
- 
> 1552 in all now.

how to catch up ... I mean to keep in control of which should be rewrote and 
which is  the same with the old one ...might become a difficulty..but it might 
also be a mother of invention..

> I am still progressing with teh French version by teh way.

bless you! & thanx

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...available from 
http://hem.passagen.se/rasmuse/Csound.htm

Updated to cover Csound 3.56 and DirectCsound 2.8.

Also posted to Bath /pub/dream/incoming.
(Visible but not downloadable from there.)

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Paul Barrett wrote:
> 
> I have some sound files in .au format (NeXT/Sun format) that I would like to
> convert to .wav or .aiff format.

	Try Awave:		http://www.fmjsoft.com/
	Or Sound Forge		http://www.sonicfoundry.com/

--
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>> I have some sound files in .au format (NeXT/Sun format) that I would like to
>> convert to .wav or .aiff format.
>
>        Try Awave:              http://www.fmjsoft.com/
>        Or Sound Forge          http://www.sonicfoundry.com/


         and quicktime           http://www.


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From: craig routt 
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hi

i just discovered that i am getting some old postings.

not daily just sporadicly, like every few days or so

this one has been posting. do you fellows suppose it is part of the

looping problem a few weeks ago, where that one mailing went in

about 60 times or so? but slower. this would seem to indicate a

mail list auto posting problem. for instance csound sends to a list in

africa, who sends to a list in russia, which in turn sends to a lidt

in bulgaria, which sends to a list where csound@maths is a subscriber.

do you have a search tool to go see who is on the lists, spot a

loop and return with remote information ? this is a question .

i do not , but perhaps we could collaberate on a new tool to find

such things.

by

craig


groh@irt.de (Jens Groh) wrote:

craig routt  wrote:
>i would like to fm a complex sample (like a steam whistle or a
>horn/siren) to test the time domain shift of a pluck.
>i tried to do a simple fm of a sample player orc but it would not accept=
 =

>an oscil input, you need to put a specific sr as the input to the opcode=
=2E
>modulating the vdelay sort of works.
>does any one have an orc to do fm on a sampled input .wav ?

Hi Craig!
You may wish to try my frequency shifter instrument, archived at:
 http://media.dr.rhbnc.ac.uk/csound/list/msg01775.html =

You will have to replace the variables kfrqshf, ko1frq and ko2frq by a-ra=
te
variables, say afrqshf, ao1frq and ao2frq. Then afrqshf is the modulator
input, awvin the carrier input.
Jens


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the software called alchemy has dissappeared from

the adds . i wrote a letter to the fellows to see if

they would allow us to adapt the software to cecilia

or csound. but no response.

anyone know them personally who could ask for permission

to do this? i figured that if it is a defunct gui, perhaps

we could adapt it, to read all file types and change

types.

thank you =


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Hi Matt,

I have only one version of Perf on my system at one time, on any
partition. I have just rebuilt all of my drives, and I'm still getting
the same problem.

I got a message from another CSound user who claimed to have the same
trouble, and said changing the default directories helped. It doesn't
seem to help me though.

Unfortunately there are no other specifics to report, it consistently
won't run Perf.

Brandon



"Matt J. Ingalls" wrote:
> 
> hmm...
> 
> i would first do a search and see if there are any copys or older versions
> of "Perf" laying around and trash those.
> 
> also try rebuilding the desktop (restart with option-cmmd buttons pressed)
> 
> are you virus-free?
> 
> ill take a look into it more.  let me know if those do anything.
> any more specifics you notice would help too.
> 
> thnaks,
> matt
> 
> On -1 xxx -1, Brandon Nelson wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been having trouble lately getting CSound to work; when I click
> > "render" in the front end, nothing happens (Perf doesn't launch). It
> > seemed to be working before, then in would work "sometimes" (for
> > instance, if I launched Perf and then clicked "Open CSound"), now the
> > front end never launches Perf.
> >
> > I've tried this with CSound 1.2 and both Perf versions 3.54 and 3.55,
> > and get the same result.
> >
> > I'm running MacOS 8.6, with 64 meg of RAM. Any clue what might be
> > causing this?
> >
> > Brandon Nelson
> >
> > --
> > brandon_nelson@bigfoot.com               ICQ: 11617296
> >

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hello all

i was following the list for a while but i lost email functionality for a 
while recently so i don't know if this topic has come up at all...

does anyone know of or is anyone currently developing a sequencer for csound 
or dcsound?  I am astounded at the potential and power of csound, but i am 
almost completely stifled by the text based score format required to create 
compositions.  I understand that csound supports MIDI and that I could use a 
MIDI sequencer to compose, but as i see it, this is not a solution, because 
when using MIDI much of the functionality of the instrument is lost.  you 
are left with pitch, velocity, and a few limited MIDI capabilities like 
pitch bend, modulation, aftertouch, etc.  Unfortunately these functions are 
limited and are difficult to implement in a controlled and flexible way with 
a MIDI sequencer.

as a result, i propose a sequencer, similar to your average or below-average 
MIDI sequencer, except instead of keeping track of the song by MIDI data, it 
would drop MIDI entirely and focus on the design and flexilbity of csound.  
As an example of a key feature, one would be able to directly specificy 
things like instrument arguments for each note, while maintaining the 
visual, user-oriented environment of MIDI sequencers like cakewalk or 
digital orchestrator.  The ability to select a section of the sequence and 
render it alone, even with the ability to mute out or single out specific 
instruments or "tracks", would also be crucial, and is an unquestioned 
feature of any MIDI sequencer, yet is difficult to implement in csound 
without much modificaiton of text files, etc.  Imagine having all the 
standard tools of a MIDI-style sequencer *and* the standard flexibility of 
csound all at your disposal.  Change general volumes easily, transpose a few 
bars here or there up or down, move this part of the song over there, copy 
and paste this onto that, change a melody's instrument instantantly, adjust 
the reverb for this track, visually adjust the rhythm and pitch of your 
melodies, etc etc etc etc.

I am talking about software that molds the power of csound in a way that is 
more condusive and effective for the musical mind.   Csound is an extremely 
powerful tool for both the creative and rational mind, but it leaves the 
musician's mind in the waiting room while the rational mind changes this, 
tweaks that, etc., leaving so little room for the process of creative 
expression.  Many times i have devoted my csound time to thinking in and 
around csound, and not in and around my music.  If both the rational and 
musical minds can be accomodated comfortably, without either one having to 
make a big sacrfice, then csound as a medium would become immeasuarbly more 
powerful.

I would take the time myself to code such a sequencer, simply because i can 
forsee the benefits of it, unfortunately i am only familiar with DOS Turbo 
Pascal as a programming language, and coding a DOS-based application of this 
type would, i am sure, waste a lot of my time on things that windows and 
object oriented programming makes into a breeze.

whew.  any thoughts?

josh whiting
joshwhiting@hotmail.com


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Kurt S Nelson wrote:

>The impetus behind the album was this:  For years, I had been searching
>for hardware or software which would enable me to use just intonation,
>and occasionally microtonal equal temperaments in my compositions.

Kurt,

You might want to check out the tuning list, where I and others just
recently discussed the use of Csound for just intonation. The use of JI,
various equal temperaments, non-just, non-equal tunings, psychoacoustics
and pitch, concert announcements, CD reviews, and the practicalities of
working with electronic and acoustic instruments are all common topics.

To subscribe, send an empty email to:
  tuning-subscribe@onelist.com

Other addresses:
  tuning-unsubscribe@onelist.com - unsubscribe from the tuning list.
  tuning-digest@onelist.com - switch your subscription to digest mode.
  tuning-normal@onelist.com - switch your subscription to normal mode.

You might also want to check out the Just Intonation Network at:

http://www.dnai.com:80/~jinetwk/

In particular, there is a extensive list of links to sites related to just
intonation (and other alternate tunings) at:
http://www.dnai.com:80/~jinetwk/other.html

I have used just intonation in Csound quite a bit, as has Lydia Ayers. Best
of luck.

Bill

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On Thu, Jul 22, 1999 at 01:57:47PM -0500, pete moss wrote:
> is anyone else getting old posts showing up.  today i got two messages
> from 7/8/99.  it seems every few days, some old messages show up, from
> old threads.  anyone else having this problem, or is my machine belching
> these from /dev/null ?

Comment from list administrator, james@maths.ex.ac.uk

Maybe you mean the messages which aren't posted to csound@maths.ex.ac.uk
from a valid sender address...which then bounce to list admin...which I then
forward when I have the time, which isn't that often

Moral: please alway send your messages to csound@maths.ex.ac.uk from the
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address for some reason..it can be done! Contact me