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Re: Version 4.00? was Version 3.47?

Date1997-09-07 16:06
FromNathan Day
SubjectRe: Version 4.00? was Version 3.47?
Csound seems to me to be getting very messy, all these opcodes to fiddle
with tables seems to me to be a real hack, when what is really needed is
the ability to generate the tables dynamically using the gen function in
the orchestra files instead of the score files, what every happened to this
MPEG 4 synthesis scripting language perhaps its time to start a fresh.

Nathan Day
nathand@senet.com.au





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Subject: Re: Version 4.00? was Version 3.47?
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My first impression was to wonder too about the addition of so many new
opcodes. 

But my thinking now (colored by the fact that I am one of the guilty ones
who have make additions to the language!) is that more opcodes usually
means more utility in the language and if one doesn't want to pay
attention to or use the new additions then they can simply be ignored. So
really, there's no problem as long as the old units still work. I would
bet though, that eventually one or more of these new units *will* end up
being *just* the thing that's needed for a spot in a piece. In the mean
time, I can continue to use the parts of the language I'm familiar with
and not worry about the rest. More likely I'll take a look through the new
units to see what might give me some new ideas. But even if I find them to
be of little use to me now, it still doesn't interfere with my use of the
rest of the language. 

I'm very happy to have John taking the trouble to maintain an official
version of *free* Csound. It's also VERY useful as a teacher to be able to
tell my students where to get a version of the language that I know will
work!  So to repeat what I've said in this forum in the past, there's
nothing stopping anyone who is not satisfied with Csound from making there
own language or there own version of csound without the new opcodes or
with different ones still! In the meantime, John and others do this work
for free and are doing a bang up job!

=====================================================
 Professor Richard Karpen
 Director, Center for Advanced Research Technology
	in the Arts and Humanities (CARTAH)
 Box 353680
 University of Washington
 Seattle, WA 98195

 Phone: (206) 543-7130  FAX: (206) 685-9499
 email: karpen@u.washington.edu
 www:   http://weber.u.washington.edu/~karpen
=====================================================



On 8 Sep 1997, Nathan Day wrote:

> Csound seems to me to be getting very messy, all these opcodes to fiddle
> with tables seems to me to be a real hack, when what is really needed is
> the ability to generate the tables dynamically using the gen function in
> the orchestra files instead of the score files, what every happened to this
> MPEG 4 synthesis scripting language perhaps its time to start a fresh.
> 
> Nathan Day
> nathand@senet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> 




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Is it available in ascii yet?

Thanks.


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Is it available in ascii yet?

Thanks.

Date1997-09-07 17:46
FromRichard Karpen
SubjectRe: Version 4.00? was Version 3.47?

My first impression was to wonder too about the addition of so many new
opcodes. 

But my thinking now (colored by the fact that I am one of the guilty ones
who have make additions to the language!) is that more opcodes usually
means more utility in the language and if one doesn't want to pay
attention to or use the new additions then they can simply be ignored. So
really, there's no problem as long as the old units still work. I would
bet though, that eventually one or more of these new units *will* end up
being *just* the thing that's needed for a spot in a piece. In the mean
time, I can continue to use the parts of the language I'm familiar with
and not worry about the rest. More likely I'll take a look through the new
units to see what might give me some new ideas. But even if I find them to
be of little use to me now, it still doesn't interfere with my use of the
rest of the language. 

I'm very happy to have John taking the trouble to maintain an official
version of *free* Csound. It's also VERY useful as a teacher to be able to
tell my students where to get a version of the language that I know will
work!  So to repeat what I've said in this forum in the past, there's
nothing stopping anyone who is not satisfied with Csound from making there
own language or there own version of csound without the new opcodes or
with different ones still! In the meantime, John and others do this work
for free and are doing a bang up job!

=====================================================
 Professor Richard Karpen
 Director, Center for Advanced Research Technology
	in the Arts and Humanities (CARTAH)
 Box 353680
 University of Washington
 Seattle, WA 98195

 Phone: (206) 543-7130  FAX: (206) 685-9499
 email: karpen@u.washington.edu
 www:   http://weber.u.washington.edu/~karpen
=====================================================



On 8 Sep 1997, Nathan Day wrote:

> Csound seems to me to be getting very messy, all these opcodes to fiddle
> with tables seems to me to be a real hack, when what is really needed is
> the ability to generate the tables dynamically using the gen function in
> the orchestra files instead of the score files, what every happened to this
> MPEG 4 synthesis scripting language perhaps its time to start a fresh.
> 
> Nathan Day
> nathand@senet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
>