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Re: Negative p3 vs polyphonicity

Date1999-08-15 14:59
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectRe: Negative p3 vs polyphonicity
Previously, I had written:

> 
> > As you say, this would all have to be handled in the instrument
> > - unless the 'next-p' and 'prev-p' fields which I use for legato control
> > can be adapted to look for the next or previous pfields ~for a given p1~
> > rather than just the line in the score. 


Well, I looked at the manual, and, lo and behold, the next-p and prev-p
instructions ~do~ apply to a given p1 (complete with fractiona tag), so
I was wrong about that particular point. In fact, it means that a Csound
sequencer stream, or even some hypothetical real-time legato stream,
could be rendered by Csound in real-time. It may well be that the things
I have been thinking about, concerning polyphony within an instrument,
are best dealt with by such a higher-level tool.

Richard Dobson


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I think all those interesting talks about legato features with orc & sco tricks
should be included in the manual. What do you think? Lots of interesting
possibilities which will remain unknown if not properly written down.

>
>
> Well, I looked at the manual, and, lo and behold, the next-p and prev-p
> instructions ~do~ apply to a given p1 (complete with fractiona tag), so
> I was wrong about that particular point. In fact, it means that a Csound
> sequencer stream, or even some hypothetical real-time legato stream,
> could be rendered by Csound in real-time. It may well be that the things
> I have been thinking about, concerning polyphony within an instrument,
> are best dealt with by such a higher-level tool.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
> --
> Test your DAW with my Soundcard Attrition Page!
> http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/rwd (LU: 6th July 1999)
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Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 10:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: Spectral Morphing Drones & Human Respons???
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Dear David,

I am sorry I do not deal with drones, but yours sound
so intrestingly, that I would love to hear some. Is
it possible? Did you find some systematic relation
between sound and emotional response? I also have to
admit that I am pretty new to c-sound and do not know
to much, but what I am working on, is to represent
architecture- formal, spatial and material qualities-
by sound, which also should , like every
architecture, have some emotional content. So I am
pretty interested.

greetings Jan Jacob

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Subject: c-sound surround modules?
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Hello, 

I came acrosss this question by reading the
ambisonics Homepages. They are about surround
distribution of sound. Sounds really good, maybe it
is just what I need. Can anyone tell me if it is
possible to make a 3d distribution of sound just by
using c-sound? Is there anything additional to 
c-sound syntehesis that encodes the synthesised sound
spacially? What other gear is required besides four
speakers? Do I need any decoder for distributing a
prerecorded c-sound four track tape? Where can I get
further information concerning this? Has anyone
experiences? Please keep in mind that I am just
starting to learn c-sound, but I would be happy about
some hints.


Greetings, Jan Jacob
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Subject: Re: Spectral Morphing Drones & Human Respons???
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I wonder if you would be willing to post some of your scores?

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From: david ds 
To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk 
Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 6:11 AM
Subject: Spectral Morphing Drones & Human Respons???


>Hi, I was a long time absent in the Csound list, more of a
>silent reader....Now is time to throw in a dynamically filtered questio ;-)
>
>I am looking for Csounders who are fascinated by the modelling & shaping of
>drones. I spend most of my time modelling spectral interesting drones to
>trigger special moods.
>what I did was starting with a 20 second loop of full, flat white
>noise and applying filters, delays and convolutions on it. Everytime
>I ended up with a drone tightly "molten" into a specific spectral profile
>and each variant drone triggered a variant mood or "meta emotion" according
>to the drone's spectral content. It is amazing how accurate the human mind
>responds to subtle variations of a spectral configuration. I quickly became
>fascinated by this phenomena and I tend to expand my amateur research to
the
>field of the visual. This way i want to end up with a very clear "sound and
>vision" responsive triggering of the human gestalt.
>
>
>Is anyone also infected by this or a closely related phenomena ?
>If you answer, please keep in mind that i am NOT a pro, i did NOT study the
>science of DSP or psychology or anything like that...I only gained
knowledge
>of this by 100% experimentation.
>
>
>David.
>
>
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hi,
you may want to check the home page for Ambisonics and related 3-D audio
research: http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/mustech/3d_audio/ambison.htm
there are some answers for you there.
good luck,
marcelo

Jan Jacob Hofmann wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I came acrosss this question by reading the
> ambisonics Homepages. They are about surround
> distribution of sound. Sounds really good, maybe it
> is just what I need. Can anyone tell me if it is
> possible to make a 3d distribution of sound just by
> using c-sound? Is there anything additional to
> c-sound syntehesis that encodes the synthesised sound
> spacially? What other gear is required besides four
> speakers? Do I need any decoder for distributing a
> prerecorded c-sound four track tape? Where can I get
> further information concerning this? Has anyone
> experiences? Please keep in mind that I am just
> starting to learn c-sound, but I would be happy about
> some hints.
> 
> Greetings, Jan Jacob
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com


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> im doing some Be stuff these days and was thinking i might have to compile
> cssound anyway to generate some sample files - if Jens is not doing
> the Be port anymore and i have time i will give it a shot...
> (at least file creation - realtime i/o might take a bit longer...)

I'm still working on my port; if you check the official sources, you'll see
that some of my changes are already in.  I have another set of patches and
a new Makefile that I need to adapt to v3.57 and send to John ffitch (hopefully
before he creates yet another new release :-)

As you say, realtime I/O may take some time yet.  The new MediaKit in R4
doesn't fit Csound's model very well.

Bye,

        Jens.
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BeOS will not run unmodified Linux programs; it has a POSIX library, but
even that is not 100% standard.  In particular, audio is handled in a way
which is completely different than under Linux.

Greetings,

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From: craig routt 
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hi michael,


on the radio station called "MUSIC FROM THE HEARTS OF SPACE"

http://www.hos.com  there is a vast quantity of hypnotic music =


and past play lists of their music, so you can catch up on

the excellent music there . the term "space music" refers to

psycho-accousticlly derived sensory spacial producing noise.

not so much as electronic sound or outer space music nor science =


fiction sound scapes , but psychoaccoustic space ! Try it.

download the real audio GUI at www.real.com , then go to =


www.netradio.net and listen to some of the finest textures in the world!

yes i am fastinated with the ambient drone of many types of music

and the effect of it on the human psych. when i owned a recording =


studio , i used to tweek up huge ambient pads on various types of analog =


synth, and then use the sound to meditate and take naps.

i have done little composition with that because for a while it seemed =


as though everyone was going to jump on the band wagon.

virtually all of europe did from what i've heard.

but not so much in the usa , except for new york , washington dc,

california.

out here in the midwest if you turn on a radio the complexity of music

is about like "1910 fruit gum companies ,yummy yummy yummy " sort of =


left behind or left out. =


i had a few meetings of the midwest electroaccoustic society

and 4 people came to the show!

mostly omaha nebraska is a football town with cowboy music

( but i'm fortunate, all my family was farmers and ranchers =


so i like that also, my mother was a T.V. personality and i =


been following in her footsteps in my studio and film studies)

I have a few nice drones if i can find them, i'll post for you.

they are not very complex or fancy .orc. but you may like them.

you can email me at 2craig-routt@usa.net if you would like.

craig









"Michael Gogins"  wrote:
I wonder if you would be willing to post some of your scores?

-----Original Message-----
From: david ds 
To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk 
Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 6:11 AM
Subject: Spectral Morphing Drones & Human Respons???


>Hi, I was a long time absent in the Csound list, more of a
>silent reader....Now is time to throw in a dynamically filtered questio =
;-)
>
>I am looking for Csounders who are fascinated by the modelling & shaping=
 of
>drones. I spend most of my time modelling spectral interesting drones to=

>trigger special moods.
>what I did was starting with a 20 second loop of full, flat white
>noise and applying filters, delays and convolutions on it. Everytime
>I ended up with a drone tightly "molten" into a specific spectral profil=
e
>and each variant drone triggered a variant mood or "meta emotion" accord=
ing
>to the drone's spectral content. It is amazing how accurate the human mi=
nd
>responds to subtle variations of a spectral configuration. I quickly bec=
ame
>fascinated by this phenomena and I tend to expand my amateur research to=

the
>field of the visual. This way i want to end up with a very clear "sound =
and
>vision" responsive triggering of the human gestalt.
>
>
>Is anyone also infected by this or a closely related phenomena ?
>If you answer, please keep in mind that i am NOT a pro, i did NOT study =
the
>science of DSP or psychology or anything like that...I only gained
knowledge
>of this by 100% experimentation.
>
>
>David.
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com