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I have a new cd. It's called "electroclips" : a collection of 20+
electroacoustic MASTERpieces.
I listened to it over and over again and slowly became discouraged : I
couldn't figure out
HOW the hell the contributors build those **magnificent** sounds....I'll
never reach that level
of training I think....damn...
David.
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> I have a new cd. It's called "electroclips" : a collection of 20+
> electroacoustic MASTERpieces.
another great CD on the same label (empreintes
DIGITALes/Diffusion i MeDIA) is Jonty Harrison's "Articles indefinis"...
in which i had the same reaction:
> I listened to it over and over again and slowly became discouraged : I
listen to Jonty's CD and you will have no interest in synthesis
anymore..
-matt
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Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>
> David Schuyeteneer wrote:
>
> > I have a new cd. It's called "electroclips" : a collection of 20+
>
> in which i had the same reaction:
> > I listened to it over and over again and slowly became discouraged : I
>
> listen to Jonty's CD and you will have no interest in synthesis
> anymore..
Nonono you guys think backwards...
My best (read: only full-scale) work built on, um, somebody's
Buchla synthesizer piece -- he made it sound like dozens
of instruments, voices and concrete-ish sources.
The method was: I listened to a small part (it's 2 hrs+),
then went to the studio focusing on a particular sound, spent
my 3 hrs trying to imitate it (on the studio's $15000 Buchla),
completely and pathetically failed, but in the process I was
virtually guaranteed to get at least 30 sec's worth of
*brilliant* (and utterly different) sounds.
Then it's just a matter of cramming them together in an
interesting and entertaining shape... but with such first-class
material the sounds almost laid themselves side by side right away.
Ah! Now, has anybody recently done any masterpiece in Csound?
(- or generally, is it today possible to do anything worthwhile
_synthesizing_ sounds rather than fiddling with samples?
And, just to throw in a little black powder, I'd regard a good
"physical model" with filters and hard-coded numbers as half a
sample, unless it uses a *very* un-"intuitive" method, like
Karplus-Strong...)
Regards,
re
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From: Hans Mikelson
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Hi,
At 01:31 AM 2/9/98 +0100, rasmus ekman wrote:
>Ah! Now, has anybody recently done any masterpiece in Csound?
Ummm...working on it...
Bye,
Hans Mikelson
P.S. After reading a piece of email entitled "Good Times" my brand new 600
MHz Workstation transformed itself into a 8088! This machine allows me to
decipher over 50% of =cw4t7abs posts. ;) (Just kidding! Jeepers!)
P.P.S. So as to not completely waste this message, here is an
orchestra/score showing how to do planar rotations of three dimensional
oscillators. In this example I apply it to a spherical lissajous surface.
It can, of course, can be extended to higher dimensions if you are dealing
with 4 or more dimensional oscillators.
; ORCHESTRA
sr=44100
kr=22050
ksmps=2
nchnls=2
zakinit 30,30
; Spherical Lissajous Figures
instr 5
ifqc init cpspch(p5)
iu init p6
iv init p7
irt2 init sqrt(2)
iradius init 1
ioutx init p8
iouty init p9
ioutz init p10
kampenv linseg 0, .001, p4, p3-.002, p4, .001, 0 ; Declick
; Cosines
acosu oscil 1, iu*ifqc, 1, .25
acosv oscil 1, iv*ifqc, 1, .25
; Sines
asinu oscil 1, iu*ifqc, 1
asinv oscil 1, iv*ifqc, 1
; Compute X and Y for spherical Lissajous
ax = iradius*asinu*acosv
ay = iradius*asinu*asinv
az = iradius*acosu
; Output to zak channels
zawm kampenv*ax, ioutx
zawm kampenv*ay, iouty
zawm kampenv*az, ioutz
endin
instr 50
ifqc = p4
iphase = p5
iplane = p6
inx = p7
iny = p8
inz = p9
ioutx = p10
iouty = p11
ioutz = p12
kcost oscil 1, ifqc, 1, .25+iphase
ksint oscil 1, ifqc, 1, iphase
ax zar inx
ay zar iny
az zar inz
; Rotation in X-Y plane
if (iplane!=1) goto next1
axr = ax*kcost + ay*ksint
ayr =-ax*ksint + ay*kcost
azr = az
goto next3
; Rotation in X-Z plane
next1:
if (iplane!=2) goto next2
axr = ax*kcost + az*ksint
ayr = ay
azr =-ax*ksint + az*kcost
goto next 3
; Rotation in Y-Z plane
next2:
axr = ax
ayr = ay*kcost + az*ksint
azr =-ay*ksint + az*kcost
; Output to Zak channels
next3:
zaw axr, ioutx
zaw ayr, iouty
zaw azr, ioutz
endin
; Mixer
instr 100
in1 = p4
in2 = p5
; Read the Zak channels
a1 zar in1
a2 zar in2
; Output the results
outs a1, a2
; Clear the audio channels
zacl 0,30
endin
; SCORE
f1 0 8192 10 1 ; Sine
; Spherical Lissajous
; Sta Dur Amp Frqc U V OutX OutY OutZ
i5 0 .6 5000 7.04 3 2 1 2 3
i5 + .4 6000 5.11 5.6 .4 . . .
i5 . .4 . 6.07 2 8.5 . . .
i5 . .2 4500 6.02 4 5 . . .
; Planar Rotation
; 1=X-Y Plane, 2=X-Z Plane, 3=Y-Z Plane
; Sta Dur Fqc Phase Plane InX InY InZ OutX OutY OutZ
i50 0 1.6 1.5 0 2 1 2 3 4 5 6
i50 0 1.6 1.8 0 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
; Mixer
; Sta Dur In1 In2
i100 0 1.6 4 6
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On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, rasmus ekman wrote:
> Then it's just a matter of cramming them together in an
> interesting and entertaining shape... but with such first-class
> material the sounds almost laid themselves side by side right away.
>
I don't want to appear to be picking a fight....but,
there's something aesthetically bankrupt in the notion
that the compostional aspects of writing a good piece
of electro-acoustic music amount to nothing more
than coming up with good sounds and then "cramming
them together in an interesting and entertaining shape"...
In fact, I would say that this notion accounts for more
truly bad pieces of electro-acoustic music than I can
count. A new sound, a new technology or a new midi
controller is not in an of itself enough to make a
piece of music anymore than a Beethoven sonata is
some "some good chords" or tunes crammed together.
A painter mixes his/her pallette...AND THEN THEY PAINT!
Anyone with me on this? (again, pardon the pugilistic
tone, I'm sure you didn't mean that remark litterally,
(I hope), but it's a real issue...honest to God it is..)
Bruce Quaglia
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On FEB 4,98 David Schuyeteneer wrote in reguard to GEN01 and wav files;
manual is wrong. had this problem too. add an extra zero as last argument
and it should work.
>
(i.e.) f1 0 32768 1 "Aaron_a1.wav" 0 0 0 0
this was the response to the question I had where I couldn't read
in a wav file using GEN01 and loscil. I added the argument at the
end of the ftable for GEN01 and works ok. So does someone know just
what the unmentioned argument is?
In reguard to 'doscil'
I then tried doscil with winsound 3.47 and got an illlegal opcode
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bruce quaglia wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 1998, rasmus ekman wrote:
>
> > Then it's just a matter of cramming them together in an
> > interesting and entertaining shape... but with such first-class
> > material the sounds almost laid themselves side by side right away.
> >
>
> I don't want to appear to be picking a fight....but,
> there's something aesthetically bankrupt in the notion
> that the compostional aspects of writing a good piece
> of electro-acoustic music amount to nothing more
> than coming up with good sounds and then "cramming
> them together in an interesting and entertaining shape"...
> [snip]
> A painter mixes his/her pallette...AND THEN THEY PAINT!
> Anyone with me on this?
Not sure why these two notions need to be in opposition. Every person's
idea about music is bound to be different. I think what we're missing
here
is that the digital medium allows us the flexibility to manipulate sound
in
any way we can conceive and then some.
Benevolent anarchy, folks -- it's the only way...
cliff
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From: Qian Chen
Subject: pvanal analysis file with 2 channels
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Hi,
I am using pvanal.exe to analysis my wave file. Since the file is a
stereo file, and there is not any stereo version of pvoc, so I got the
error message like this(my pvc file is called zhong.pvc):
INIT ERROR in instr 1: 2 chans (not 1) in PVOC file zhong.pvc
Could anybody tell me how I could use pvoc with stereo analysis file?
==
Qian Chen
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