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From: Richard Karpen
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I use the sqrt version almost always.
Richard Karpen
On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, pete moss wrote:
> hello all,
> here is a question about making a stereo signal in an orc.
> most of you seem to like doing something like this:
>
> outs asig*ix, asig*(1-ix) ; if ix = 1 then left channel only, if ix
> = 0 then right
>
> on p318 of dodge v2, he recommends doing a similar operation
>
> outs asig*sqrt(ix), asig*sqrt(1-ix)
>
> is one better than the other? if ix = .5, then the signal will be
> between channels. in the first case, the signal will be at half
> intensity, in the second, the signal will be multiplied by .707, which
> is greater than .5. who has the better method, dodge or the rest of
> you? i have been using the former method myself, but maybe dodge is
> better?
>
> thanks
> pete
>
>
>
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The Windows 95 API absolutely supports multipleo
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> Joel Stern wrote:
well, well, well...
of course you may install several soundcards
under Windows. The problem I see is that Windows (95)
only seems to know 1 input and output at a time. So you
may use one card's input and another one's output at
a time, but never two cards inputs(or out). However,
ActiveSound may work differently. Anyway, there might
be some clever software that manages this somehow. I
would definitely like to know ...
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Message text written by Christopher Neese
>> Joel Stern wrote:
>well, well, well...
>of course you may install several soundcards
>under Windows. The problem I see is that Windows (95)
>only seems to know 1 input and output at a time. So you
>may use one card's input and another one's output at
>a time, but never two cards inputs(or out). However,
>ActiveSound may work differently. Anyway, there might
>be some clever software that manages this somehow. I
>would definitely like to know ...
Just to set the record straight, I did not write the words following my
name above. The author of the message neglected to include any quote from
my original message. :-|
Joel Stern
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Hello,
Does anyone know of a good Csound implementation of nested all-pass filters
like those mentioned in some of the papers by William Gardner:
http://sound.media.mit.edu/papers.html
These are used in making reverbs and are usually drawn somewhat like the
following ASCII drawing:
_______________
| 50 (.4) |
| _________ |
| | 20 (.6) | |
->------------------->
Where 50 is the delay time in msec. of the outer allpass, .4 is the gain of
the outer all-pass, 20 is the delay time in msec. of the inner allpass, and
.6 is the gain of the inner allpass. Using delayr & delayw seems to get
pretty messy.
Thanks for any help,
Hans Mikelson
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pete moss wrote:
> hello all,
> here is a question about making a stereo signal in an orc.
> most of you seem to like doing something like this:
>
> outs asig*ix, asig*(1-ix) ; if ix = 1 then left channel only, if ix
> = 0 then right
>
> on p318 of dodge v2, he recommends doing a similar operation
>
> outs asig*sqrt(ix), asig*sqrt(1-ix)
>
> is one better than the other? if ix = .5, then the signal will be
> between channels. in the first case, the signal will be at half
> intensity, in the second, the signal will be multiplied by .707, which
> is greater than .5. who has the better method, dodge or the rest of
> you? i have been using the former method myself, but maybe dodge is
> better?
Definitely use the dodge example otherwise you'll get what's known as "The
hole in the middle" effect when you pan your sound across the stereo
field. You don't want your sound to seem like it's far away as you
approach the center (unless for some reason you want that). I think that
many hardware mixers do this sqrt type of panning automatically...
If speed is an issue, you might pre-calculate a function table curve to
index the same panning effect. Read about this in Richard Moore's book
(Elements of Computer Music).
john
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An example using stored table values. The sqrt thing is supposed to sound
smoother I think.
; check to see if pan is out of our range
ipanfac = (p6 > 1 ? 1 : p6)
ipanfac = (p6 < 0 ? 0 : ipanfac)
; map linear pan factor to more natural sqrt function
ilpan tablei ipanfac,10,1
irpan tablei ipanfac,11,1
outs X*ilpan, X*irpan
endin
And in the score:
f10 0 129 9 .25 1 90
f11 0 129 9 .25 1 00
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On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, John Boyd wrote:
>
> Definitely use the dodge example otherwise you'll get what's known as "The
> hole in the middle" effect when you pan your sound across the stereo
> field. You don't want your sound to seem like it's far away as you
> approach the center (unless for some reason you want that). I think that
> many hardware mixers do this sqrt type of panning automatically...
>
Yep... this is known as 'constant power' panning to hardware types.
----------------------
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> Joel Stern wrote:
well, well, well...
of course you may install several soundcards
under Windows. The problem I see is that Windows (95)
only seems to know 1 input and output at a time. So you
may use one card's input and another one's output at
a time, but never two cards inputs(or out). However,
ActiveSound may work differently. Anyway, there might
be some clever software that manages this somehow. I
would definitely like to know ...
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hello all,
here is a question about making a stereo signal in an orc.
most of you seem to like doing something like this:
outs asig*ix, asig*(1-ix) ; if ix = 1 then left channel only, if ix
= 0 then right
on p318 of dodge v2, he recommends doing a similar operation
outs asig*sqrt(ix), asig*sqrt(1-ix)
is one better than the other? if ix = .5, then the signal will be
between channels. in the first case, the signal will be at half
intensity, in the second, the signal will be multiplied by .707, which
is greater than .5. who has the better method, dodge or the rest of
you? i have been using the former method myself, but maybe dodge is
better?
thanks
pete
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For an article I am writing for Electronic Musician, I would like to
hear about any and all Csound "utilities," including shells, front-ends,
score/orc generators, launchers, what have you. Any platform is
acceptable, and if possible, I would like to know specific URLs and/or
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I didn't see my last post to the list, a reply to the post regarding
"$170 SHARC's"; so here goes again.
Who knows anything about the "$170 SHARC" board from Analog Devices?
Below is the communication I received regarding the $1000 hand-wired
prototype cards being offered by Analog; this is the only offering I
know of. Have I missed out on something? (I presume this was only
hearsay/rumor.)
Art Hunkins
UNCG Electronic Music Studios
Hi Art,
The Extended Csound Software Developer's Kit is now available. Included
in the kit:
- 6-channel PCI board
- Extended Csound software and front-ends
- manual, documentation and tutorials
You must have a machine running Windows95 with PCI bus.
To order, please prepare the following:
- check payable to Analog Devices, for US$1000 plus $50 shipping and
handling
- print and complete the attached license agreement
- mailing address where the kit should be shipped
We can assume check clearance if provided credit card information.
and send to:
Analog Devices, Inc.
John Hudson, SST
3 Technology Way
Norwood, MA 02062
USA
If you have any questions, please contact:
Software and Systems Technology Division
Tel: (781) 461-3732
Fax: (781) 461-4291
Email: Systems.Solutions@analog.com
Thanks,
Scotty Vercoe
_____________________________________________
Scotty Vercoe
Extended Csound Project Manager
Analog Devices Software & Systems Technology Division
Tel: (781) 461 - 3569 FAX: (781) 461 - 4291
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Subject: Re: stereo by dodge
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At 2:22 PM -0600 11/4/97, pete moss wrote:
>is one better than the other? if ix = .5, then the signal will be
>between channels. in the first case, the signal will be at half
>intensity, in the second, the signal will be multiplied by .707, which
>is greater than .5. who has the better method, dodge or the rest of
>you? i have been using the former method myself, but maybe dodge is
>better?
If one assumes that the loudness of a sound is proportional to its power
and that the power is proportional to the square of the amplitude, then
Dodge's method is correct. Most commercial mixing boards follow Dodge for
the pan pots.
The situation is of course not that simple but Dodge is usually a good
starting point.
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