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>I think it's time for me to show some gratitude towards all of who
>answerred my endless stream of
>questions...The manual only isn't enough, this list, source of information
>is really a good thing, I could
>not get started with Csound without it, really....There's no advice better
>than advice from someone who
>allready coped with the same problem.
I dont wanna sound ungrateful, impacient or something, but either my query
was too "unprofessional" or beginers arent much apreciated here
I'm really determined to use csound material in my productions (mainly as
sample source), and theres nothing you can do about it. I was expecting some
help from this list, but I guess I'll have to learn a lot more, prior to
someone actually listening to my problems
I realise there is a number of highly educated persons here, who probably
dont have enough time in their hands as it is, to waste even more teaching
newbies the first steps, but at least some directions and sugestions for
further study would be apreciated (the manual surely aint enough).
But I'm hardly giving up. I'll just keep listening and happily banging my
head against the wall till I get it
pedro
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From: Dave Phillips
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Greetings:
Reading David Schuyteneer's thanks and Pedro Batista's lament I think
something needs to be noted. The Csound mail-list needs a FAQ sheet
which should be routinely
suggested or sent to new members. This FAQ could indicate the major
sites for such commonly-requested items as orc/sco files, tutorial
examples, platform-specific download sites, the missing parameter for
GEN01, etc.
I learned Csound by going through Richard Boulanger's "toots" and the
ACCCI catalog. I read FR Moore's "Elements Of Computer Music", then
studied algebra again for a year using a neat and cheap software tutor,
then re-read Moore's book. I translated Dodge's examples into Csound
code, I nearly drowned in my attempt to understand just what the !@#$ is
a phase vocoder, and of course I asked questions on the mail-list. I
also have a feeling that many others on this list have a similar
experience: I'm a musician first, and I'm a "computer-type guy" only at
a very distant second.
But now the situation has changed somewhat, and I think that David and
Pedro are showing us that our beloved Csound is no longer quite so
straightforward to learn and use. Hey, I can't even keep up with the
rush of new opcodes, and I'm supposed to be maintaining the Linux
version ! ;-)
There's no shortage of on-line information. Hans Mikelson's wonderful
instruments are all available, the ACCCI catalog is still on-line,
Rasmus Ekman is doing good things for DOS/Windows Csound beginners, Jean
Piche has consistently maintained the excellent HTML manual, and of
course there's still the fine Csound Front Page at Leeds. A FAQ sheet
could indicate the whereabouts of all those sites, which I think could
be of immediate assistance to any newcomer.
I should state clearly that I don't at all mind reading posts from
newbies, and I don't want anyone to feel discouraged about writing to
the list for help. I just think that a maintained FAQ sheet would be of
great value to Csound newbies *and* pros.
Meanwhile, for David, Pedro, and any other newcomer to Csound, here
are a couple pages which may be of some small assistance:
http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_csound.html
http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/dp_csound.html
The first URL is actually a listing of various sites relevant to Csound
users, not just Linuxen. The second address is a brief tutorial, replete
with neat little graphics and soundfile examples.
Csounders, Go ye forth and multiply, divide, add, subtract, convolve,
vocode, modulate, oscillate, predict linearly, rotate superficially,
bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate sound into shapes so beautiful that
world peace will reign, and People Magazine will interview jpff and
Russell Pinkston while the Spice Girls fade into a merely annoying
memory...
Whoa, time for another cup of coffee !
== Dave Phillips
http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/index.html
http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_soundapps.html
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From: Larry Troxler
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I'm not using Windows 95, but on my Intel P100 Linux box, I found that
allocations for new events could take as much as 20ms. I found it helped
somewhat to use a dummy score to pre-allocate as many events as I wanted
to use simultaneiously, by starting a bunch at time 0 with 0 duration.
Larry
On Fri, 20 Feb 1998, Jens Kilian wrote:
> > Hey there,
> >
> > I have been recently trying to get RT Midi Input happening with CSound
> > (using G. Maldanado's Win95 binary). I have had some success in getting
> > sound produced in RT via midi input, but I still have a few
> > problems..... I am using a simple sine wave orc (ie 1 oscillator) and
> > where there should be a note lasting for, say 2 seconds, the sound
> > instead repeatedly cuts in and out, so I end up with a series of shorter
> > sounds and lots of clicks and pops.
> >
> > I should point out at this point that I am using a sequencer in Windows
> > to generate the Midi events... _not_ an external keyboard. So I was
> > basically curious to know whether anyone has achieved satisactory RT
> > Midi just using a sequencer and not external MIDI hardware?
>
> I've had similar experiences with my port of Csound to BeOS (no, it's not
> quite ready yet :-). You need to fiddle with the software/hardware buffer
> sizes (and I haven't found any general rule about which sizes are good).
>
> My main problem at the moment is that, even if I manage to avoid dropouts,
> real-time MIDI performance sound very irregular (notes are played with some
> random delay). I don't know if that's caused by a bug in my code or by the
> setup I use (I also don't have a MIDI keyboard, so I'm using a loopback cable
> and a software sequencer).
>
> Bye,
> Jens.
> --
> mailto:jjk@acm.org phone:+49-7031-14-7698 (HP TELNET 778-7698)
> http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-14-7351
> PGP: 06 04 1C 35 7B DC 1F 26 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish,
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>
-- Larry Troxler -- lt@westnet.com -- Patterson, NY USA --
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Dave Phillips wrote:
>
> Reading David Schuyteneer's thanks and Pedro Batista's lament I think
>something needs to be noted. The Csound mail-list needs a FAQ sheet
>which should be routinely
>suggested or sent to new members. This FAQ could indicate the major
>sites for such commonly-requested items as orc/sco files, tutorial
>examples, platform-specific download sites, the missing parameter for
>GEN01, etc. (snip)
>
> I learned Csound by going through Richard Boulanger's "toots" and the
>ACCCI catalog. I read FR Moore's "Elements Of Computer Music", then
>studied algebra again for a year using a neat and cheap software tutor...
thought i did remember reading a FAQ a long while back. but perhaps the
suggestion of similar math tutor software could be included.
in particular, i would like a package to walk me through calculus on a mac.
could someone please suggest such a program? your aid will be appreciated.
as a perpetual newbie, i have no complaints about the assistance available
on this list. or the price. but do well understand the frustrations
encountered by non-programmers. And have noted that the classic bang the
head against the wall technique must be practiced with a *brick* wall in
order to be fully effective.
tolve
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What a strange thing! I have just tried to do a download with the url
provided and all goes well! Try at a different hour and.. good luck!
gabriel
Derek Pierce wrote:
> Hi Gabriel
> Your software sounds worth investigating, but I cannot dowload it
> of
> your page as I,m told it cannot be found.Can you help please?
> Derek Pierce
>
> Gabriel Maldonado wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the archive was renamed to avoid anyone could think it is a
> different
> > program than csound
> >
> > source code is avalaible at the following url:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/7041/csoundrt-src.zip
> >
> > best
> >
> > Gabriel
> >
> > mailto:g.maldonado@agora.stm.it
> > http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Way/7041/home2.htm
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Colloquium on Musical Informatics
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We would like to remind you that the deadline for
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Dear crazy csounders,
Sorry I caused such a triple stream of consciousness (no in fact
I am quite happy with it). Then I had to go and could not connect
to the internet to participate to the debate (the parser for orc files
is *GOING ALONG* though! Just removed 77 reduce/reduce conflicts!
(had to brush my yacc!) and the lexer is ready - yes I know that is easy).
Can we please keep these two topics separate (they really are):
1) the parser - let's do *one thing at a time*: I am not writing a csound
parser to *extend* csound; I am writing it because I feel that maybe
we could all profit from it (save the ones that think that it is
too complicated - just joking ;-) for many reasons: we could build
other applications on top of it, for example; also, we could, in
the future try to replace the existing one - if this is felt necessary;
*THEN*, and only as a third option, we could timidly think of some
extensions. I agree with Richard Dobson and others that the ones
Riccardo (with two 'c') proposes are a little cosmetic, and that maybe
we should go for arrays or things like that (and somebody said don't
touch the orc files: why, would'nt you like to embed strings and
things like that in there?) before;
2) dynamic linking: the purpose I meant was exactely NOT to create
a monster: a small application which would load the library it
needed at run-time; I would'nt go very far to look on how to do
that: just have an ASCII config file somewhere in 'the right place'
which has the connection opcode-library; during parsing, csound
builds a linked lists of NULL terminated OENTRY table out of all
the libraries it needs; each library has an OENTRY table which it
links when it dlopen()s it, basta. Simple means portable, and it
also means that it even has some chance to work...
I am really happy that the FAQ topic came out too: can we add to
the FAQ: why is divz documented since version 0 but never implemented?
(I never knew that one); a HOWTO would be also another nice thing
to do: anyone?
Nicola
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Re graphics: A picture is worth 10K words -- but only those to describe
the picture. Hardly any sets of 10K words can be adequately described
with pictures.
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> > 2. Are we trying to transform Csound in a commercial synth? Frankly, I
-> "Extended Csound"
> > don't understand WHY all those phisical modeling opcodes (marimba,
i don't understand why anybody would USE a physical modeling
opcode to create music - but obviously people do - and until there's some
sort of DLL/Plug-in architecture better to put it in (except not better
for FFitch/MAdole/etc to maintain the code)
-matt
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What types of maths does the regular, graduated computer musician masters
??
Calculus ?? Algebra ??
What maths are useful for sound/music ?
Are there any good teaching packages for PC available ? online perhaps ?
Also, what basic MUSIC theory does a computer musician needs to know....I
can imagine that
it is not absolutely necessary to graduate an extended music-notation
program to use Csound,
but I also can imagine that at least a BASIC knowledge might be very
useful...(which notes sound
harmonic together, wich not...etc....)
David.
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> >I think it's time for me to show some gratitude towards all of who
> >answerred my endless stream of
> >questions...The manual only isn't enough, this list, source of
information
> >is really a good thing, I could
> >not get started with Csound without it, really....There's no advice
better
> >than advice from someone who
> >allready coped with the same problem.
>
> I dont wanna sound ungrateful, impacient or something, but either my
query
> was too "unprofessional" or beginers arent much apreciated here
> I'm really determined to use csound material in my productions (mainly as
> sample source), and theres nothing you can do about it. I was expecting
some
> help from this list, but I guess I'll have to learn a lot more, prior to
> someone actually listening to my problems
> I realise there is a number of highly educated persons here, who probably
> dont have enough time in their hands as it is, to waste even more
teaching
> newbies the first steps, but at least some directions and sugestions for
> further study would be apreciated (the manual surely aint enough).
> But I'm hardly giving up. I'll just keep listening and happily banging my
> head against the wall till I get it
may be, I dunno, but my experience in this list are surely positive !
David.
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