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Dear Kay,
Csound is not just a synthesis language although that is what I use it
for mostly, you can use it as a sample processor and if you want you could
process very large sound files for use in multi track recording. In answer
to your comment about synths and samplers, I have never heard a synth that
can make sounds like I do on csound, with such an infinite variety of
possibilities and...... it's free, beats £1500 for a korg trinity.
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Someone made a lot of decisions about what they thought you needed when they
designed your hardware synth. If they were right, then you don't need CSound.
If they were wrong, welcome.
--
Mike Berry
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### -My reply follows quotes- At 3:04 -0700 5/29/98, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I am new to this mailing list. I just took part in it today! So if the
>question here has been asked by someone else before, please forgive me.
>
>What I would like to know is why we choose Csound. As far as I know,
>Csound is a synthesis language. It can really make a lot of sounds that
>do not exist in the world. But don't you think synthesisers and samplers
>are great enough to realize it? So why Csound? Could someone out there
>give me some advice so that I will be clear about it?
Hello. Composer here (Please wait: swapping hats...)
I can think of a few reasons. Some of these I have adopted from Richard
Boulanger but although they are not my original thoughts I still subscribe
to the reasoning. (Sorry, it's not that easy to scrub academia out of
me...)
1) FREE
--- There are lots of great synthesizers, samplers and signal processors
--- for sure but they all consume some of that rare commodity: money. Csound
--- on the other hand is free and there is no extra charge for adding
--- unit generators to your orchestras or voices to your score! Yes, there
--- is always a trade-off in compilation time and for those working on fast
--- deadlines that could be a problem...unless they get a faster machine.
--- But for most of us who can't afford all of the gear we'd like, the cost
--- of Csound is mighty fine.
2) TECHNICALLY FLEXIBLE
--- As you may already know, Csound is available for a wide variety of
--- platforms and machines. There are also many associated tools developed
--- by various members of the Csound community which extend Csound's
--- functions or user-interface (or both). Csound's broad hardware support
--- has also resulted in a large community of users (see below). In my
--- humble experience it's also one of the easier free software synthesis
--- languages to learn. Also, Csound is more flexible than the pre-wired
--- routings in hardware synthesizers, but of course more difficult to use.
3) MUSICALLY FLEXIBLE
--- There are many kinds of music in which electronic sound-generators are
--- used. Just to name a few: algorithmic, popular, abstract-academic,
--- note-based, sound-based... (This is a poor sampling/poor description.)
--- They all have different needs: patterns, chaos, lots of notes, a very
--- few "notes" but lots of rich evolving sound... They all come out of
--- different traditions in and out of the electronic music world. Csound
--- is amazingly flexible and can accommodate many types of music. It also
--- has its biases but as you will see if you stay on this list, many
--- different styles of music are made by people using Csound
4) A DOCUMENT
--- This one is not of interest to everyone, but when I'm wearing my more
--- scholarly hat, I like to learn from other composers by looking at their
--- scores and drafts, etc. As a fairly direct descendent of the "Music N"
--- line of software fathered by Max Mathews of Bell Labs we can use, for
--- instance, example instruments written by Risset in his "Sound Catalog"
--- of 1969 to learn about electronic music techniques in general and
--- Csound in particular. It is difficult if not impossible to determine
--- the techniques of producing sound from a tape. (One person gave me an
--- interesting example where clever mixing creates the illusion of an
--- almost impossibly complex filter--yet no filter was used.) Having the
--- orchestra and score files allows us to study other compositions and
--- learn from them.
5) THE PEOPLE
--- Because of all of the above, there is an enormous (ehm, relatively
--- speaking) community of composers, sound designers, theorists, etc.
--- using Csound and through this list and other means we share our
--- knowledge with each other through the common language of Csound. Thus
--- where electronic music (and especially computer music) started out being
--- based largely in instutions which had the money and the brain power to
--- teach and implement the stuff, now we have Csound which is free,
--- flexible and allows for the teaching and generation of electro-acoustic
--- music to continue outside of institutional settings and thus hopefully
--- allowing for more creative freedom.
Ehm...or I could say that I use Csound instead of hardware synths because
it just kicks butt! Yeah, that's it...
~~Charles
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### -My reply follows quotes- At 3:04 -0700 5/29/98, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I am new to this mailing list. I just took part in it today! So if the
>question here has been asked by someone else before, please forgive me.
>
>What I would like to know is why we choose Csound. As far as I know,
>Csound is a synthesis language. It can really make a lot of sounds that
>do not exist in the world. But don't you think synthesisers and samplers
>are great enough to realize it? So why Csound? Could someone out there
>give me some advice so that I will be clear about it?
Hello. Resident ethnomusicologist, here (Please wait: swapping hats...)
I just wanted to request anyone who privatly replies to Kay Q Lee, if you
wouldn't mind, could you send a cc: to me as well? This kind of discussion
would help me immensely in my project on Csound as well...
Thanks!
All the best,
Charles
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| | | | ___|___ | --Daniel Miller,
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Kay Q Lee wrote:
>
> What I would like to know is why we choose Csound.
I chose it because your run-of-the-mill 4- or 5-stage envelope generator
just doesn't have enough stages for me. And two oscillators plus an LFO
is simply not enough oscillators. Csound is much more compatible with
the synthesizer in my mind...the synthesizer of my drreEAAAMMMMZZZZ!!!
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:43:21 -0700
From: Erik Spjut
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Try changing
asig2 reson asig, kenv2, kbw
to
asig2 reson asig, kenv2, kbw,1
You are changing the bandwidth which DRAMATICALLY changes the gain unless
you set the scaling factor, iscl to 1.
At 3:17 PM +0930 5/29/98, Peter wrote:
>Hello Csounders
>
>I have been having some problems with reson.
>
>kenv line ia1, p3, ib1
>kenv2 line ia2, p3, ib2
>asig oscili kenv, kcps, ifn
>asig2 reson asig, kenv2, kbw
>out asig2
>endin
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I have been having problems inputting sound files onto csound PPC. I had
previously been using csound on NeXT and SGI where everything worked fine.
Does anyone know of any common problems that I might be making here on the
macintosh that could be causing the lack of sound input.
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Subject: moog opcode question(again)
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Thanks to Mike Berry for the reply on the question on the moog opcode. I
have downloaded the perf 3.47 from mills but I am unsure of what each of the
fields does. Also do you need input sound files for it or can it work
entirely from Gen 10.
Thanks for ant help.
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Dear friend,
>What I would like to know is why we choose Csound. As far as I know,
Csound is a
>synthesis language. It can really make a lot of sounds that do not
exist in the world. But
>don't you think synthesisers and samplers are great enough to realize
it?
Do you really think that "synthesisers and samplers are great
enough"?????
Regards.
--
Jean-Michel DARREMONT
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Hello,
We are hard at work on the next release. At this point, it looks like
it will be at least another 6 weeks or so. We hope to incorporate many
new changes, and fix some of the driver problems.
Thanks for your patience.
Scotty Vercoe
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>
> Scotty
> is there an update for Extended Csound software? if not, then an eta?
> hope this finds you well
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From: "Matt J. Ingalls"
To: Daniel Fattorini
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Subject: Re: input sound files
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> I have been having problems inputting sound files onto csound PPC. I had
make sure your default directories are set properly
if file not in SSDIR or SFDIR, then you must give full path.
make sure you use ':' in path names (instead of "/" like in UNIX)
if still problems, post your orc/sco/listing file to the list..
-matt
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From: Paul Winkler
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Subject: Possible errors in Csound 3.48b HTML manual
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In the Csound 3.48b1.HTML manual, I find a couple of errors:
1) On the page for "loscil" (.../Generate/loscil.html), there is an
opcode called "doscil" mentioned-- basically a very stripped-down
version of loscil. This opcode does not have an index entry; more
importantly, it does not seem to exist in linux Csound 3.48! Using it
gives "illegal opcode" errors, and it does not appear in the "csound -z"
list.
2) On the Scot f0 page (.../Scot/f0.html) there is a broken link to an
example that I can't find: .../Scot/.htmlScot_Example_II
This looks like it should read .../Scot/Scot_Example_II.html but I don't
see anything in the Scot/ directory that looks appropriate.
regards,
PW
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From: "Matt J. Ingalls"
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To: Daniel Fattorini
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Subject: Re: Moog opcode question
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> Is the moog opcode available on all versions of csound, I am using ppc
just a reminder to all:
you can use the "list all opcodes" option to see if an opcode is
in your version (-z command line - in the 'options' menu in ppc)
-matt
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From: Hans Mikelson
To: csound , Kay Q Lee
Subject: Re: Why Csound?
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:11:51 -0500
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Hi,
Kay asked:
>What I would like to know is why we choose Csound
I used to always drool over the latest synthesizers on the market but knew I
could not really justify spending $1000-$2000 for a new synth every month.
After discovering Csound I read about all the new synths, plug-ins and
effects processors and think "Csound can do that only better and without the
limitations."
Csound can do so much more than what a software or synth manufacturer thinks
you might want to do. You are only limited by your own imagination not by
someone elses.
Bye,
Hans Mikelson
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From: Sean Costello
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Hi all:
Just subscribed to the list. Apologies if these are questions that have
been asked a million times before:
1) I read in the mailing list archives about a Csound Book from MIT
Press. Any idea when this book should be released?
2) Are there any synth manufacturers planning to release synths using
Extended Csound? I know Generalmusic has released an effects plug-in
for one of their synths, that performs harmonizing using the AD chip.
Are there any companies that plan on offering a general hardware
platform, a la the Nord Modular or Kyma, that will use Extended Csound?
My dream synth at this point would be a DSP engine in a box with
knobs/touchplates/a keyboard/other realtime controls, that could be
programmed in Csound via a computer, yet could run stand-alone for live
performances like the Nord Modular. Is a synth similar to this in the
planning?
3) What unit generators are currently implemented in Extended Csound?
Are all of the v3.47 unit generators implemented? Are there additional
unit generators?
4) How do I access the archives, so I can stop asking these questions?
Thanks,
Sean Costello
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