Re: Linux or not to linux?

Date	1999-02-18 13:15
From	jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk
Subject	Re: Linux or not to linux?
	Message written at 18 Feb 1999 11:23:16 +0000 --- Copy of mail to ben@qsure.demon.co.uk --- In-reply-to: <36CAE080.63615D2@qsure.demon.co.uk> (message from Ben Jefferys on Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:30:08 +0000) References: <9902161059082V.25177@weba4.iname.net> <36CAE080.63615D2@qsure.demon.co.uk> Yes crashes as in requires a reboot. I cannot get any response from the keyboard and the screen just shows stripes. As I have just logged out I do not seem to have a way in. I suppose I could attempt to telnet from one of the (more reliable:-) Windows machines if one were on, but usually this happens as i am leaving the system for the other user. I realise that kernel 2.2 now exists, and I am running the aged "Linux montague 2.0.30 #15". Not sure about your remark about Linux and Windows being aimed at different peopel. All computers are to do symbolic mathematics and synthesise sounds. Do they have other uses? In case you need to be told, I have been running a Unix machine here since the early-mid 1980s, and I also run an SGI with Irix as well as the Linux and Windows machines; I have not used the HLH Orion 1/05 Unix machine or about 3 years now. I canot see why Linux should be harder to stop crashing that the other systems. Only the Mac is more prone to crash. I was responsible for the introduction of Unix to my university for a teaching service in the 1981-92 period, and it is only recently that they do not trust me with the root password on the mathemetics network. I am not an expert on this, but neither am I a novice. ==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07619; 18 Feb 99 15:49 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DVhx-0001Wz-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:49:45 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA06776); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:16:58 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:16:42 GMT Received: from root@iguacu.cce.ufpr.br [200.17.210.65] by hermes via ESMTP (PAA05435); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:16:25 GMT Received: from araguaia.cce.ufpr.br (chr-lyra@araguaia.cce.ufpr.br [200.17.210.90]) by iguacu.cce.ufpr.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA17554 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:13:34 -0300 (EST) Received: by araguaia.cce.ufpr.br id MAA13144; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:11:20 -0300 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 12:11:20 -0300 (GRNLNDST) From: Christian Lyra To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk hehehehehehehehe!!!!!! Nice Joke! On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > Just to (attempt to) upset you, I find Linux much les stable than > Windows95. I have not had a Windows crash for moinths, while Linux > crashes about twice or three times a week, alway when I log out. > > As they say, ymmv! > > I have no answer to teh realtiem question, as I generate few sounds > which can be synthesised in reaktime. > > ==John > Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07798; 18 Feb 99 16:40 GMT Received: from [204.143.176.4] (helo=mail.infohouse.com) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DWUG-0001bW-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:40:03 +0000 Received: from [204.143.224.47] by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:49:26 -0500 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk From: tolve Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:49:26 -0500 >Only the Mac is more >prone to crash. if you haven't already, try, OS 8 (rock solid for me) or 7.61 if 8.5 (reportedly a more agile sound manager and improved java handling) doesn't serve. tolve Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07825; 18 Feb 99 16:48 GMT Received: from [204.143.176.4] (helo=mail.infohouse.com) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DWY5-00038I-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:48:23 +0000 Received: from [204.143.224.47] by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:53:24 -0500 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk From: tolve Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:53:24 -0500 can't imagine that would slow you up much. tolve > it is >only recently that they do not trust me with the root password on the >mathemetics network. > >==John ffitch Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07856; 18 Feb 99 17:05 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DWtU-0001dD-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:05:44 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA06838); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:40:25 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:40:08 GMT Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA07049); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:40:04 GMT Received: from [204.143.224.47] by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:49:26 -0500 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk From: tolve Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:49:26 -0500 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Only the Mac is more >prone to crash. if you haven't already, try, OS 8 (rock solid for me) or 7.61 if 8.5 (reportedly a more agile sound manager and improved java handling) doesn't serve. tolve Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07862; 18 Feb 99 17:06 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DWtp-0001dF-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:06:05 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA11018); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:44:08 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:43:51 GMT Received: from mail.infohouse.com [204.143.176.4] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA17448); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:43:35 GMT Received: from [204.143.224.47] by mail.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:53:24 -0500 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk From: tolve Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 11:53:24 -0500 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk can't imagine that would slow you up much. tolve > it is >only recently that they do not trust me with the root password on the >mathemetics network. > >==John ffitch Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08053; 18 Feb 99 18:27 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DYAl-0003GJ-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:27:39 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA12489); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:15:30 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:15:16 GMT Received: from mail.sfc.keio.ac.jp [133.27.4.120] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA05484); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:15:13 GMT Received: from zz039.sfc.keio.ac.jp (zz039 [133.27.24.46]) by mail.sfc.keio.ac.jp (8.9.1a/3.6Wbeta7-SFC) with ESMTP id DAA02348; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:14:29 +0900 (JST) Received: from sfc.keio.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zz039.sfc.keio.ac.jp (8.8.8/3.5Wpl7-SFC-LOCAL) with ESMTP id DAA10878; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:14:28 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199902181814.DAA10878@zz039.sfc.keio.ac.jp> To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Cc: fmtk@sfc.keio.ac.jp, penrose@sfc.keio.ac.jp X-Mailer: Mew version 1.70 on Emacs 19.28.1 / Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:14:28 +0900 From: Fumitake Ohnaka Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello, All Csounders. I'd like to put csound audio into some filters in realtime on Linux 2.0.30. I did try as follows according to "CsManual3.48b1.HTML/Command/CSCOMM.html". ---from Manual------------ csound -o osfname The name stdout will cause audio to be written to standard output. ------------------------ fmtk%> csound -o stdout ???.orc ???.sco \| some filter(like a mp3enc) But, csound tell me like this. -------------------------------------------------------- Csound Version 3.51 (Feb 18 1999) Csound Command ERROR: stdout audio not supported -------------------------------------------------------- And from "Release Notes for 3.48" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Language Changes ---------------- The input or output file in -i and -o can start with a \| to indicate a process which is started to create or process audio files. This works on Windows and Unix, but not (yet) DOS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ What is the meaning of thie sentence? Is there strange point on my way or is this a bug or something? And if I do comment-out as follows at argdecode.c, version 3.51, I can use "-o stdout". (Thanks Mr. Christopher Penrose for his help). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ case 'o': if (strcmp(O.outfilename,"stdout") == 0) /* #if defined macintosh \|\| defined SYMANTEC \|\| defined BCC \|\| defined __WATCOMC__ \|\| defined __unix \|\| defined WIN32 / #if defined WhatIsThat /fmtk edited/ dieu("stdout audio not supported"); ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm sorry if this question is one of FAQ, but I'd like to know why this functionthere do not use default version. Is there any problem? thanks. fmtk Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08543; 18 Feb 99 22:24 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10Dbrd-0003Tg-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:24:09 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA01892); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:20 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:11 GMT Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA12440); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:09 GMT Received: from intercom.es (iv2-43.intercom.es [195.76.206.43]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA21800; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:25:40 +0100 Message-ID: <36CC9171.55F68262@intercom.es> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:17:21 +0100 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Mikelson CC: Csound Subject: Re: New Opcodes References: <001601be5afe$ea53b520$5899170c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I would encourage you to go on implementing more opcodes like these to the sources! What about a 4th order Runge-Kutta integrator to solve some dynamical systems, a Newton-Rhapson iteration scheme, a sign(x) operation, a new version of all the usual filters (tone,atone...) with an additional output parameter giving the phase delay for fine tuning a waveguide loop filter? An opcode to write into a given position inside a delay line, a general filter design package, filter2 recoded to allow k-rate change of the coefficients and better numerical precission, the ability to read MIDI files in format 1, a generator based on a n-degree Markov chain receiving its parameters form f-tables? Maybe an opcode to read/write from/to a bitmap file into an array of f-tables, or maybe an adsyn file like in Silence, or an opcode to work with soundfont bancks (prepare a multilayered multisample is too tedious now...) Lots of ideas... Josep M Comajuncosas Hans Mikelson wrote: > Hi, > > I put source for some new opcodes at > http://www.werewolf.net/~hljmm/csound/opcodes/ (...) Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08665; 18 Feb 99 23:50 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DdCj-00020C-00; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:50:01 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA09928); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:47:16 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:47:02 GMT Received: from smtp2.jps.net [209.63.224.235] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA10137); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:47:01 GMT Received: from heatherl (208-25-50-73.stk.jps.net [208.25.50.73]) by smtp2.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21952 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:47:05 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199902182347.PAA21952@smtp2.jps.net> Reply-To: @jps.net,@exeter.ac.uk: MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.omphalos From: nunativs To: Csound Subject: Re: New Opcodes Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:48:59 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > or an opcode to work with soundfont > bancks (prepare a multilayered multisample is too tedious now...) > Lots of ideas... > > Josep M Comajuncosas Joseph you're reading my mind on this one. Multilayered sampling is one of Csound's weak points. With the proliferation of quality Soundfont banks this would be great. Perhaps Gabriel could tackle this? Would make me regret buying Reality softsynth which is my primary use for it, (importing Soundfonts). and sampling. I would also like to applaud whoever is responsible for implementing the building block opcodes like lfo, all the filters, envelopes, etc. Pertaining to the discussion of a virtual DX7, I would encourage development of all 32 algorithims in a single opcode. Also couldn't all the 4-op single purpose opcodes be combined into a general more robust 4-op Fm synth based on the 81Z? I am of no help on coding things just yet sorry, Ken Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08717; 19 Feb 99 0:20 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DdgJ-00023e-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:20:36 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA05242); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:18:27 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:18:14 GMT Received: from jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9] by hermes via SMTP (AAA00766); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:18:13 GMT Received: (qmail 7328 invoked from network); 19 Feb 1999 00:14:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cableinet.co.uk) (194.117.146.223) by jaguars with SMTP; 19 Feb 1999 00:14:53 -0000 Message-ID: <36CCAEB8.3453BB2F@cableinet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:22:16 +0000 From: Richard Dobson Organization: Composers Desktop Project X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound Subject: Re: New Opcodes References: <199902182347.PAA21952@smtp2.jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Well, I think we really want the complete VL1 as a single opcode. I am sure the parameter list will be quite manageable. Building blocks are great! Never mind if they get bigger than the building... ;-> Richard Dobson nunativs wrote: > Pertaining to the discussion of a virtual DX7, I would encourage > development of all 32 algorithims in a single opcode. -- Test your DAW with my Soundcard Attrition Page! http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/rwd CDP homepage: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~masjpf/CDP/CDP.htm Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08740; 19 Feb 99 0:29 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DdpH-0003be-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:29:51 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA15226); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:27:46 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:27:34 GMT Received: from howl.werewolf.net [12.23.152.10] by hermes via ESMTP (AAA06766); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:27:33 GMT Received: from default (dial15.werewolf.net [12.23.153.15]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA17238 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:22:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <002a01be5b9f$62a598e0$0f99170c@default> From: Hans Mikelson To: Csound Subject: Re: New Opcodes Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:32:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, Josep wrote: >I would encourage you to go on implementing more opcodes like these to >the >sources! Hehe, so much to do so little time! Well lots of good ideas in case I've run out. Bye, Hans Mikelson Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09094; 19 Feb 99 4:01 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10Dh83-0002D2-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:01:27 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA12602); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:59:16 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:59:04 GMT Received: from hromeo.algonet.se [194.213.74.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA04265); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:59:03 GMT Received: (qmail 4833 invoked from network); 19 Feb 1999 04:59:02 +0100 Received: from du90-27.ppp.algonet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.27.90) by hromeo.algonet.se with SMTP; 19 Feb 1999 04:59:02 +0100 From: Anders Andersson Reply-To: pipe@algonet.se To: CSound list Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:31:34 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.5 [020] - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: Nature Subject: Score in orchestra file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi there, all CSound coders! >From the very first time I used CSound, I have always wished that one could have a score-part in an orchestra-file! This would be very usefull, mainly for two things: 1. Its would very easy to manage a project with multiple instruments and effects if the score are in the same file. This way you won't have to cope with scores that don't match with your updated instrument. 2. If you design a nice instrument, you could have an example score inside the orchestra-file, where you try to show the different usages of that particular instrument. This way you don't have to have a demonstration-score for every intrument you make. What I have understood, this would be very hard to implement in the main program, but maybe with some external parser that sorts out the score and orchestra part from one single file, and sends as two files to csound? This should be implemented so that if you enter a separate score, it would use THAT one instead of the score that's contained in the orchestra. Have this issue been discussed before? Is it only me who would like to see this? .--- -- - - \| Anders "Pipe/Nature" Andersson, pipe@algonet.se \| Proud member of the Amiga community, Nature and Mensa Sweden. : Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09117; 19 Feb 99 4:13 GMT Received: from [134.100.33.12] (helo=rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DhJN-0002Dc-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:13:09 +0000 Received: from tripolis.x.tc (dialup@max1-042.public.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.43.42]) by rzaixsrv2.rrz.uni-hamburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA34704; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:13:06 +0100 Received: from tripolis.x.tc (eike@tripolis.x.tc [192.168.3.30]) by tripolis.x.tc (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20279; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:33:53 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:33:52 +0100 (CET) From: Eike Jonas To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Yes crashes as in requires a reboot. I cannot get any response from > the keyboard and the screen just shows stripes. As I have just logged This sounds like a graphics problem . As I don't know if you logged out of a XDM session I can only guess that your XDM or X is not ok. > "Linux montague 2.0.30 #15". Not sure about your remark about Linux ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what is that ?? (I don't think it has anything to do with the kernel) > symbolic mathematics and synthesise sounds. Do they have other uses? Mathematica always crashed with me when using windows and doing LARGE Graphs, not so under Linux > Unix machine or about 3 years now. I canot see why Linux should be .... Linux has to support a HUGE hardware-base, mostly without support from the manufacturers whereas IRIX only has to run on a narrow spectrum of SGI hardware and Microsoft blackmails the manufacturers for support.. Most problems with linux I know of are with Graphics/X, SCSI-adaptors (in the past, not anymore) and wrong library setup (which is mostly a result of acting before thinking). ------------------------------------- Eike Jonas / mecca@rrz.uni-hamburg.de Kegelhofstr 29 / 20251 Hamburg > Gleiten statt schrubben < Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09209; 19 Feb 99 4:53 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DhwX-0003n3-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:53:37 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (EAA12487); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:51:21 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:51:09 GMT Received: from kgallagh@tempest.ocis.temple.edu [155.247.166.120] by hermes via ESMTP (EAA01045); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:51:08 GMT Received: from localhost (kgallagh@localhost) by tempest.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA27178 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:51:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:51:03 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Gallagher X-Sender: kgallagh@tempest.ocis.temple.edu To: Csound Discussion List Subject: Re: Score in orchestra file In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Anders Andersson wrote: > Hi there, all CSound coders! > > >From the very first time I used CSound, > I have always wished that one could have > a score-part in an orchestra-file! > > This would be very usefull, mainly for two things: > > 1. Its would very easy to manage a project > with multiple instruments and effects > if the score are in the same file. > This way you won't have to cope with > scores that don't match with your > updated instrument. > > 2. If you design a nice instrument, > you could have an example score > inside the orchestra-file, where > you try to show the different usages > of that particular instrument. > This way you don't have to have > a demonstration-score for every > intrument you make. > > > What I have understood, this would be very hard to > implement in the main program, but maybe with > some external parser that sorts out the score > and orchestra part from one single file, and > sends as two files to csound? > > This should be implemented so that if you > enter a separate score, it would use THAT > one instead of the score that's contained > in the orchestra. > > > Have this issue been discussed before? > > Is it only me who would like to see this? > > > .--- -- - - > \| Anders "Pipe/Nature" Andersson, pipe@algonet.se > \| Proud member of the Amiga community, Nature and Mensa Sweden. > : > Some of the newer versions of Csound use .csd files, which has three parts, separated by what appear to be HTML tags: the command line arguments at the top, the orchestra in the middle, and the score at the bottom. It was mostly Michael Gogins' idea with some adaptation by John Fitch for canonical Csound (forgive me if I left anybody out again, as I got in trouble for this before! ;) ) Kevin Gallager, kgallagh@astro.temple.edu Web - http://astro.temple.edu/~kgallagh Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09284; 19 Feb 99 5:42 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DihV-0002Kl-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:42:09 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA08769); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:40:04 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:39:53 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA10158); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 05:39:51 GMT Received: from localhost (wfreno@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA26539 for ; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:32:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Wayne Freno To: Csound List Subject: MKGRAPH.EXE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Whenever I try to run this proggie it makes a mess of my screen, sort of vertical lines in the upper left, random ascii chars. I don't have to reboot, and can get back into Win95 ok, just can't use it. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09521; 19 Feb 99 8:03 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10Dkuh-0002Qm-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:03:55 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (IAA12814); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:48 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:34 GMT Received: from front7.grolier.fr [194.158.96.57] by hermes via ESMTP (IAA04518); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:00:33 GMT Received: from club-internet.fr (ppp-169-101.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.169.101]) by front7.grolier.fr (8.9.0/8.9.2) with ESMTP id JAA17785 for ; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:00:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <36CD27D8.D396F53B@club-internet.fr> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:59:05 +0000 From: Jean-Michel DARRMONT Reply-To: jmdbrady@club-internet.fr X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: liste CSound Subject: moogvcf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, I've been trying opcode with the following .orc&.sco(Hans Mikelson vco exemple): sr = 44100 kr = 4410 ksmps = 10 nchnls = 2 instr 10 idur = p3 ; Duration iamp = p4 ; Amplitude ifqc = cpspch(p5) ; Frequency iwave = p6 ; Selected wave form 1=Saw, 2=Square/PWM, 3=Tri/Saw-Ramp-Mod isine = 1 imaxd = 1/ifqc2 ; Allows pitch bend down of two octaves kpw1 oscil .25, ifqc/200, 1 kpw = kpw1 + .5 asig vco iamp, ifqc, iwave, kpw, 1, imaxd ayn moogvcf asig, 1000, .5 outs ayn, ayn ; Ouput and amplification endin ;SCORE: f1 0 65536 10 1 ; Sta Dur Amp Pitch Wave i10 0 2 20000 5.00 1 i10 + . . . 2 i10 . . . . 3 i10 . 2 20000 7.00 1 i10 . . . . 2 i10 . . . . 3 i10 . 2 20000 9.00 1 i10 . . . . 2 i10 . . . . 3 i10 . 2 20000 11.00 1 i10 . . . . 2 i10 . . . . 3 e but I only get a silent sound file with this error message: MIT Csound: 3.51 (Jan 26 1999) (Mills/PPC: 3.5.1) orch now loaded audio buffered in 8192 sample-frame blocks writing 65536-byte blks of floats to Bardamu:Csound outputs:vco.aif (AIFF) SECTION 1: ftable 1: new alloc for instr 10: B 0.000 .. 2.000 T 2.000 TT 2.000 M: Inf Inf B 2.000 .. 4.000 T 4.000 TT 4.000 M: Inf Inf B 4.000 .. 6.000 T 6.000 TT 6.000 M: Inf Inf B 6.000 .. 8.000 T 8.000 TT 8.000 M: Inf Inf B 8.000 .. 10.000 T 10.000 TT 10.000 M: Inf Inf B 10.000 .. 12.000 T 12.000 TT 12.000 M: Inf Inf B 12.000 .. 14.000 T 14.000 TT 14.000 M: Inf Inf B 14.000 .. 16.000 T 16.000 TT 16.000 M: Inf Inf B 16.000 .. 18.000 T 18.000 TT 18.000 M: Inf Inf B 18.000 .. 20.000 T 20.000 TT 20.000 M: Inf Inf B 20.000 .. 22.000 T 22.000 TT 22.000 M: Inf Inf B 22.000 .. 24.000 T 24.000 TT 24.000 M: Inf Inf end of score. overall amps: Inf Inf 0 errors in performance 130 65536-byte soundblks of floats written to Bardamu:Csound outputs:vco.aif (AIFF) The opcode works fine. Do I forget something or is there a bug in . Thanks for any help. -- Jean-Michel DARREMONT Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09603; 19 Feb 99 9:03 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DlqE-00042O-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:03:22 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA04053); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:02:09 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:01:56 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it [195.62.32.1] by hermes via ESMTP (JAA03722); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:01:52 GMT Received: from agora.stm.it (ppp04-11.dial-access.stm.it [195.62.37.203]) by agora.stm.it (8.9.2/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13557; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:01:40 +0100 (ITA) Message-ID: <36CBD87D.8838021C@agora.stm.it> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 10:08:13 +0100 From: Gabriel Maldonado X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hans Mikelson CC: Csound Subject: Re: New Opcodes References: <001601be5afe$ea53b520$5899170c@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Hans, I highly appreciate the new opcodes. BUT, if you intend to modify nestedap in order to allow a variant delay, please use a-rate, not k-rate (otherwise it will be very noisy when kr != sr). -- Gabriel Maldonado http://www.agora.stm.it/G.Maldonado/home2.htm Hans Mikelson wrote: > > Note imaxdelay is not currently used but will be necessary if k-rate delay > is implemented. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09972; 19 Feb 99 11:56 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DoXJ-0004J4-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:56:01 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA07613); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:58 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:48 GMT Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA06241); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:45 GMT Received: from intercom.es (iv3-219.intercom.es [195.76.131.219]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29781; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:43:58 +0100 Message-ID: <36CD47B2.4DD12250@intercom.es> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:14:59 +0100 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "@jps.net"@ex.ac.uk CC: Csound Subject: Re: New Opcodes References: <199902182347.PAA21952@smtp2.jps.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id LAA06241 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk nunativs wrote: > > or an opcode to work with soundfont > > bancks (prepare a multilayered multisample is too tedious now...) > Joseph you're reading my mind on this one. Multilayered sampling is one= of > Csound's weak points. Yes ... I don=B4t like sampling but for percussion instruments it is good= enough, and still necessary for timbres like an acoustic piano. I know there are real= ly good soundfonts, the only problem is that such opcode should retain some multi= plattforn support and I don=B4t know if these multisample files are standarised or = maybe too MsWin-oriented. But a built-in opcode is absolutely necessary: I tried to= build one with the loscil opcodes and some hundreds of conditionals and table acces= ses to select the appropiate sample and it turned out to be a nightmare! > Pertaining to the discussion of a virtual DX7, I would encourage > development of all 32 algorithims in a single opcode. > Also couldn't all the 4-op single purpose opcodes be combined into a > general more robust 4-op Fm synth based on the 81Z? Coding entire old analog synths an early digital FM-based ones into the s= ources of Csound is for me a great idea. And a hard work of course! You can always = experiment with new analog/FM synthesis techniques, but all those timbres have been = developed years ago and such opcodes would save you from reinventing the wheels. Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09999; 19 Feb 99 12:03 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DoeL-0004Jj-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:03:17 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA10553); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:16 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:05 GMT Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA04067); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:38:03 GMT Received: from intercom.es (iv3-219.intercom.es [195.76.131.219]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29604; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:43:02 +0100 Message-ID: <36CD35EF.FA56DC31@intercom.es> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 10:59:12 +0100 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmdbrady@club-internet.fr CC: liste CSound Subject: Re: moogvcf References: <36CD27D8.D396F53B@club-internet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id LAA04067 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Moogvcf must process signals normalised in [-1,1] otherwise you must pree= scale the signal prior entering the filter or with the new preescaling parameter in= moogvcf. This was necessary to allow softclipping of the feedback inside the filter (th= e "resonance") at a given input level. Hope this helps! Josep M Comajuncosas Jean-Michel DARR=C9MONT wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying opcode with the following .orc&.sco(Hans Mik= elson > vco exemple): > > sr =3D 44100 > kr =3D 4410 > ksmps =3D 10 > nchnls =3D 2 > > instr 10 > idur =3D p3 ; Duration > iamp =3D p4 ; Amplitude > ifqc =3D cpspch(p5) ; Frequency > iwave =3D p6 ; Selected wave form 1=3DSaw, 2=3DSquare/PWM, 3=3DTri/Saw-= Ramp-Mod > isine =3D 1 > imaxd =3D 1/ifqc*2 ; Allows pitch bend down of two octaves > kpw1 oscil .25, ifqc/200, 1 > kpw =3D kpw1 + .5 > asig vco iamp, ifqc, iwave, kpw, 1, imaxd > ayn moogvcf asig, 1000, .5 > outs ayn, ayn ; Ouput and amplification > endin > > ;SCORE: > f1 0 65536 10 1 > ; Sta Dur Amp Pitch Wave > i10 0 2 20000 5.00 1 > i10 + . . . 2 > i10 . . . . 3 > i10 . 2 20000 7.00 1 > i10 . . . . 2 > i10 . . . . 3 > i10 . 2 20000 9.00 1 > i10 . . . . 2 > i10 . . . . 3 > i10 . 2 20000 11.00 1 > i10 . . . . 2 > i10 . . . . 3 > e > > but I only get a silent sound file with this error message: > > MIT Csound: 3.51 (Jan 26 1999) > (Mills/PPC: 3.5.1) > orch now loaded > audio buffered in 8192 sample-frame blocks > writing 65536-byte blks of floats to Bardamu:Csound outputs:vco.aif (AI= FF) > SECTION 1: > ftable 1: > new alloc for instr 10: > B 0.000 .. 2.000 T 2.000 TT 2.000 M: Inf Inf > B 2.000 .. 4.000 T 4.000 TT 4.000 M: Inf Inf > B 4.000 .. 6.000 T 6.000 TT 6.000 M: Inf Inf > B 6.000 .. 8.000 T 8.000 TT 8.000 M: Inf Inf > B 8.000 .. 10.000 T 10.000 TT 10.000 M: Inf Inf > B 10.000 .. 12.000 T 12.000 TT 12.000 M: Inf Inf > B 12.000 .. 14.000 T 14.000 TT 14.000 M: Inf Inf > B 14.000 .. 16.000 T 16.000 TT 16.000 M: Inf Inf > B 16.000 .. 18.000 T 18.000 TT 18.000 M: Inf Inf > B 18.000 .. 20.000 T 20.000 TT 20.000 M: Inf Inf > B 20.000 .. 22.000 T 22.000 TT 22.000 M: Inf Inf > B 22.000 .. 24.000 T 24.000 TT 24.000 M: Inf Inf > end of score. overall amps: Inf Inf > 0 errors in performance > 130 65536-byte soundblks of floats written to Bardamu:Csound outputs:vc= o.aif (AIFF) > > The opcode works fine. > Do I forget something or is there a bug in . > > Thanks for any help. > > -- > Jean-Michel DARREMONT Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10005; 19 Feb 99 12:04 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DofG-0004Jn-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:04:14 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA04043); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:39:47 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:39:37 GMT Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (LAA07650); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 11:39:33 GMT Received: from intercom.es (iv3-219.intercom.es [195.76.131.219]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA29821; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:44:15 +0100 Message-ID: <36CD4C32.B2797C9D@intercom.es> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:34:10 +0100 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Dobson , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Opcodes References: <199902182347.PAA21952@smtp2.jps.net> <36CCAEB8.3453BB2F@cableinet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Richard Dobson wrote: > Well, I think we really want the complete VL1 as a single opcode. I am > sure the parameter list will be quite manageable. Building blocks are > great! Never mind if they get bigger than the building... ;-> Why not? Some of us could hack the Yamaha site to look for the necessary info ;-) If we start implementing full preset libraries and synths in Csound it will grow a bit ... btw I really like the VL1 hehehe. Received: from shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10272; 19 Feb 99 13:01 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by shaun.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DpZ5-0002rh-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:01:55 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA09649); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:28:38 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:28:25 GMT Received: from vcn.bc.ca [207.102.64.2] by hermes via ESMTP (NAA06559); Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:28:21 GMT Received: from localhost (philip@localhost) by vcn.bc.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id FAA11953; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:22:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 05:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: Philip Aker To: Tobiah cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Linux or not to linux? In-Reply-To: <36CB89D6.2AEC0EEB@rcsreg.com> Message-ID: Composer: Philip Aker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Tobiah wrote: }BTW, what is the proper way to refer to keeper of Csound? I always }get confused by the case, and number of f's. Fitch? fFitch? ffitch? }I remember seeing you comment on this a few years ago. I just tried 'John'. }I think that that is correct anyway. "Pope John" Philip Philip Aker Composer, Pianist, Finale Plugins Suite 13 1405 West 11 Avenue Vancouver BC Canada V6H 1K9 philip@vcn.bc.ca Received: from wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10279; 19 Feb 99 13:02 GMT Received: from [144.173.6.14] (helo=exeter.ac.uk) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #2) for jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk id 10DpZN-0004OW-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:02:13 +0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA00832); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:51:38 GMT Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:51:16 GMT Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (MAA08302); Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:51:15 GMT Received: from [138.38.99.25] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 10DpOl-0004Nk-00; Fri, 19 Feb 1999 12:51:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Feb 99 12:51:14 GMT From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: (no subject) To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk, fmtk@sfc.keio.ac.jp, penrose@sfc.keio.ac.jp Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 19 Feb 1999 10:41:46 +0000 --- Copy of mail to fmtk@sfc.keio.ac.jp --- In-reply-to: <199902181814.DAA10878@zz039.sfc.keio.ac.jp> (message from Fumitake Ohnaka on Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:14:28 +0900) References: <199902181814.DAA10878@zz039.sfc.keio.ac.jp> On some implementations the code to open stdout for audio does not exist. In particular the Macintosh machioen does not support it as there is not really a stdin/stdout system on that machine. That message (in my sources) can only come if compiled with macintosh or SYMANTEX macros are defined. There is a "gotya" in sending audio to stdout by teh way; if you use WAV or AIFF formats it needs to seek back to teh start for the header, and so it fails. The meaning of "The input or output file in -i and -o can start with a \| to indicate a process which is started to create or process audio files. This works on Windows and Unix, but not (yet) DOS." is almost exactly what it says. I can write csound xx.csd -h -o "\|mypostprocess" to create a sound and pass it via a pipe to a process called mypostprocess. It works on Unix easily, and on Windows badly (as pipes are badly designed there). Does not work on DOS for rather boring reasons to do with my DOS compiler (despite teh documentation there are no pipes) and on a Mac I woudl assume you were in trouble unless matt or someone did some serious coding. The #if for stdout rules it out for macintosh, Windows, DOS and Linux (as that seems to be what the linux developers wanted). It can be revised (I think the __unix is totally wrong...) ==John ffitch

Date	1999-02-18 16:49
From	tolve
Subject	Re: Linux or not to linux?
	>Only the Mac is more >prone to crash. if you haven't already, try, OS 8 (rock solid for me) or 7.61 if 8.5 (reportedly a more agile sound manager and improved java handling) doesn't serve. tolve

Date	1999-02-18 16:53
From	tolve
Subject	Re: Linux or not to linux?
	can't imagine that would slow you up much. tolve > it is >only recently that they do not trust me with the root password on the >mathemetics network. > >==John ffitch

Date	1999-02-18 22:33
From	Eike Jonas
Subject	Re: Linux or not to linux?
	On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > > Yes crashes as in requires a reboot. I cannot get any response from > the keyboard and the screen just shows stripes. As I have just logged This sounds like a graphics problem . As I don't know if you logged out of a XDM session I can only guess that your XDM or X is not ok. > "Linux montague 2.0.30 #15". Not sure about your remark about Linux ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ what is that ?? (I don't think it has anything to do with the kernel) > symbolic mathematics and synthesise sounds. Do they have other uses? Mathematica always crashed with me when using windows and doing LARGE Graphs, not so under Linux > Unix machine or about 3 years now. I canot see why Linux should be .... Linux has to support a HUGE hardware-base, mostly without support from the manufacturers whereas IRIX only has to run on a narrow spectrum of SGI hardware and Microsoft blackmails the manufacturers for support.. Most problems with linux I know of are with Graphics/X, SCSI-adaptors (in the past, not anymore) and wrong library setup (which is mostly a result of acting before thinking). ------------------------------------- Eike Jonas / mecca@rrz.uni-hamburg.de Kegelhofstr 29 / 20251 Hamburg > Gleiten statt schrubben <