| Hi everyone,
I have some free time for a change, and I would like to try *again* to get
Silence up and running. The URL I have seems to be defunct. If anyone has
a more recent address for it, I would appreciate you posting it.
Thanks
Rob Howiler
p.s. - I have a pretty cool piece that I wrote using CSound if anyone wants
to listen to it. It's a speech based piece using a speech given by US
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
http://www.audientmusic.com/Works/RacialDivide.htm
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Hi Rob.
The Michael Gogins site is at:
http://www.pipeline.com/~gogins/
>From: "Rob Howiler"
>Hi everyone,
>
>I have some free time for a change, and I would like to try *again* to get
>Silence up and running. The URL I have seems to be defunct. If anyone has
>a more recent address for it, I would appreciate you posting it.
>
>Thanks
>Rob Howiler
>
>p.s. - I have a pretty cool piece that I wrote using CSound if anyone wants
>to listen to it. It's a speech based piece using a speech given by US
>Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
>http://www.audientmusic
.com/Works/RacialDivide.htm
>
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Subject: [Csnd] Seeking an interesting piece of music made with Csound
Dear Csounders,
Student preparing a master's in sound synthesis in France, i'm searching for
intersting piece of music made with Csound to include in my discussion.
I'll do an analysis of it, and i'll study carefully each proposal. Just to
make an idea, i'm currently analysing Chowning's Stria and Risset's Sud.
Thanks
kevin_dahan@hotmail.com
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This afternoon (UK time) I placed files for Csound v4.00 on the dream
server. At least there are Windows, Console mode, DOS and Linux
versions there, and the MIT version for PowerMac. The tar file of
sources is also there (actually due to a typing error it has actually
been there for 9 days.....)
This version is the same as will appear with the Csound Book, and so
we rook the liberty of starting the serial number again. (As I
invented the numbering anyway, I feel free to do this :-)
As usual, complaints to me and/or the list.
I am already collecting a few things for the next version.
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Subject: [Csnd] Csound for Real Time Spectral Processing?
I've been learning Csound for just a few weeks, and have creates some basic
instruments. However, one of my objectives involves taking an input,
converting it to the spectral domain, doing some processing on specific
spectral components, and then outputting it - ideally in real time.
Can Csound do this? I've read about the "Operations Using Spectral Data
Types", which appear to allow a signal to be downsampled and processed by
dft to create a wsig data block.
However I don't see an opcode convert the wsig back to an audio signal. How
is this done? I can see that pvoc can be used for additive synthesis, but
takes a file as input, not a wsig.
Also, can the internal components in a wsig block be accessed individually
for computations, other than with the predefined opcodes?
Maybe I would have to write some custom C code to do this?
Assuming the above is possible, is it realistic for me to expect to be able
to do this on one channel in real time on a 500mhz PC?
Thanks.
- Chris Graham
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This afternoon (UK time) I placed files for Csound v4.00 on the dream
server. At least there are Windows, Console mode, DOS and Linux
versions there, and the MIT version for PowerMac. The tar file of
sources is also there (actually due to a typing error it has actually
been there for 9 days.....)
This version is the same as will appear with the Csound Book, and so
we rook the liberty of starting the serial number again. (As I
invented the numbering anyway, I feel free to do this :-)
As usual, complaints to me and/or the list.
I am already collecting a few things for the next version.
==John ff
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Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound for Real Time Spectral Processing?
Graham,
I've struggled with the Spectral Data opcodes to no avail. However, my
interpretation of the manual is that the useful output from the group are
the k-rate outputs from
specptrk and
specsum
These produce a pitch estimate of the wsig and return the signal strength at
krate. You cannot, as far as I can make out, use the operators to manipulate
the spectrum of the incoming signal for output unless, as you suggest, you
write additional opcodes to add to the group.
Let me know how you get on. I could only get CSound to crash when using
these opcodes.
Best wishes,
Richard.
> However I don't see an opcode convert the wsig back to an audio signal.
How
> is this done? I can see that pvoc can be used for additive synthesis, but
> takes a file as input, not a wsig.
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Subject: Re: [Csnd] Seeking an interesting piece of music made with Csound
A great source could be the Csound FrontPage:
http://www.csound.org/
or
http://mitpress.mit.edu/e-books/csound/frontpage.html
Under Csound Music you should be able to find a bunch
of pieces for Csound.
Pay special attention to Dr. Boulanger's 'Trapped in
Convert' and Kim Cascone 'BlueCube'.
It's awesome music.
hope this helps,
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>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Seeking an interesting piece of music made with Csound
>Date: Wed, Nov 17, 1999, 11:52 AM
>
> Dear Csounders,
>
> Student preparing a master's in sound synthesis in France, i'm searching for
> intersting piece of music made with Csound to include in my discussion.
> I'll do an analysis of it, and i'll study carefully each proposal. Just to
> make an idea, i'm currently analysing Chowning's Stria and Risset's Sud.
>
> Thanks
>
> kevin_dahan@hotmail.com
>
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>Pay special attention to Dr. Boulanger's 'Trapped in
>Convert' and Kim Cascone 'BlueCube'.
konzum>g!glb!tz
>It's awesome music.
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>hope this helps,
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You can get the download for Silence from http://www.pipeline.com/~gogins.
You go to the Silence page, to the License and Download anchor, to the
Download link, and and click on the word "here".
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Subject: [Csnd] Silence URL
Hi everyone,
I have some free time for a change, and I would like to try *again* to get
Silence up and running. The URL I have seems to be defunct. If anyone has
a more recent address for it, I would appreciate you posting it.
Thanks
Rob Howiler
p.s. - I have a pretty cool piece that I wrote using CSound if anyone wants
to listen to it. It's a speech based piece using a speech given by US
Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
http://www.audientmusic.com/Works/RacialDivide.htm
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hello list, hello mr. ffitch,
well, it might be very important, because you never skipped any version
number since version 3.3x...
one more, in every upgrade there was a versionx_xx.notes. nothing this
time... what's new?
regards,
mp
jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>
> This afternoon (UK time) I placed files for Csound v4.00 on the dream
> server. At least there are Windows, Console mode, DOS and Linux
> versions there, and the MIT version for PowerMac. The tar file of
> sources is also there (actually due to a typing error it has actually
> been there for 9 days.....)
>
> This version is the same as will appear with the Csound Book, and so
> we rook the liberty of starting the serial number again. (As I
> invented the numbering anyway, I feel free to do this :-)
>
> As usual, complaints to me and/or the list.
>
> I am already collecting a few things for the next version.
>
> ==John ff
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Subject: [Csnd] Version 4.0 Manuals
Dear Csounders-
The version 4.0 manuals are now in place at:
http://www.geocities.com/~csoundmanual/index.htm
This manual will be on the CD-ROM(s) accompanying "The Csound Book" edited
by Dr. Richard Boulanger, and due early next year (last I heard), from MIT
Press.
With this release, the manual has been completely reorganized, so please
read about it on the What's New page of the website.
As usual, there are English and Spanishh versions in Acrobat, as well as
HTML, and text formats, in English. The HTML version available, as before,
for download, or online.
Enjoy.
-David.
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Subject: Re: [Csnd] Csound for Real Time Spectral Processing?
Chris Graham wrote:
>
> input, converting it to the spectral domain, processing
> and then outputting it - ideally in real time.
Analyse *and* resynthesize in r/t? As you noted, no.
pvanal/lpanal opcodes use files, and there is no opcode for
converting spectral data type to sound.
I suppose some people may wonder about the spec* opcodes (the docs
tell it all, but I didn't understand them until looking at the source
some time ago...)
The spectral opcodes presently available are designed for viewing
audio. They are somewhat better at that particular duty than dispfft.
(Standard FFT output is not a good model of hearing, since the
frequencies are equally spaced in Hertz: for each octave in range,
half as many frequencies are detected in the one below it. In effect
50% of the info concerns the topmost octave (11 kHz-22 kHz for CD audio)
- desirable for hifi sound, but not always for viewing.)
> Also, can the internal components in a wsig block be accessed individually
> for computations, other than with the predefined opcodes?
Yes. You'll have to figure the data format, but that shouldn't be too hard.
See spectra.h and spectra.c.
> Maybe I would have to write some custom C code to do this?
Please! It would be worthwhile to at least try it.
Perhaps the downsampling filters affect the signal so that the
author (Barry Vercoe) doesn't think it is useful for sound.
> Assuming the above is possible, is it realistic for me to expect
> to be able to do this on one channel in real time on a 500mhz PC?
I think so. Test if you can run two or more 120-freq spectrum
opcodes at, say, 100 frames per second (iprd=0.01).
The spectrum opcode uses oct-by-oct downsampling combined with
frequency analysis the hard way: Multiplying each sample with the
cos and sin. This means it is an O(N^2) operation (ie very expensive).
For display, 120 freq bands total may be ok, but for many music apps
you'd probably want at least some 30-40 bands per octave.
Actually additive resynthesis should be quite a bit faster than
the spectrum opcode, since you just add the sines, not the cosines,
and don't do any up/downsampling or high-Q filtering.
I could display 60 freqs at 10 frames per sec, with Q-value 30,
or spectrum-analyze but not display 120 freqs at 100 fr/sec, Q=10.
On an AMD 200 = not so good float processor.
(BTW, display needs a minor fix before you can try this on Winsound.
Remove comments around cwin_paint() call on line 107 in Wincwin.c:
/* cwin_paint(); */
change this to:
cwin_paint();
Didn't note that this breaks anything else, but will have to ask jpff.)
Cheers,
re
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