Re: Test.orc/sco error ==> "unrecognised messagetype 192 "

Date	1998-09-11 13:42
From	Dave Phillips
Subject	Re: Test.orc/sco error ==> "unrecognised messagetype 192 "
	Greetings: MIDI message 192 is C0h, i.e., the program change message. Support for receiving program change messages is indeed missing from the current Csound source, so until it's fixed you'll dump Csound if your MIDIfile sends it a program change. I've fixed it in my own source tree, but I'm having troubles getting it back into the Linux Csound CVS. The fix is very simple, and was supplied by Fabrizio Sciarra. Here's what he wrote to me: > I've patched the source midirecv.c in the procedure m_chanmsg just > [by] putting a new case with a printout "PROGRAM CHANGE msg". I added the case to the switch statement in midirecv.c and voila, no more problems with program change messages. Please note however that this is a stop-gap and does not constitute real support for the program change message. You can delete the pc messages from your MIDIfile and it should play fine then. David Schuyeteneer wrote: > I tried to run test.orc/sco pair that comes with DXCsound with a midifile > that I converted from format 1 to 0, > and DXCsound reoprts an error : > > "unrecognised message type 192" > > The "format 1 not supported" error is gone, but now this....I really don't > know what "message type" means...perhaps > some particular midicommand not supported by (DX)Csound ?? == Dave Phillips http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/index.html http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_soundapps.html Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06011; 11 Sep 98 15:23 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08021; 11 Sep 98 15:23 BST Received: (qmail 215 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 14:23:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 14:23:12 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA21898); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:09:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:09:48 +0100 Received: from Thuban.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.53.8] (may be forged) by hermes via ESMTP (PAA07904); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:09:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from [134.173.38.61] (Spjut.Eng.HMC.Edu) by THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #28820) with ESMTP id <01J1O6W49ZII8WXIDF@THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU> for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:09:45 PST Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:13:38 -0700 From: Erik Spjut Subject: Re: amplitude question In-reply-to: <199809102343.TAA00284@ruacad.runet.edu> X-Sender: spjut@thuban.ac.hmc.edu To: Christian Guirreri , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Any p value beyound p3 stands for whatever YOU decide it stands for. If you want p4 to be the amplitude of a given note, YOU have to write the instrument in such a way that it is. There is no easy answer to the total amplitude that can be given without distortion. The maximum value without distortion for all of your instruments added together at their peak is either 32767 or -32768, but how your instruments will add together and how their amplitudes should be set is an EXTREMELY situation dependent problem. You either need to experiment or use one of the Csound versions that lets you generate floating point samples and then scales them to a max of 32767. Hope this helps. At 7:46 PM -0400 9/10/98, Christian Guirreri wrote: >Please excuse my noviceness.... > >What exactly does the amplitude (p4) value stand for? What does it >represent? What is the total amount of amplitude that can be given without >distortion? > >Thanks, >Christian Guirreri and Musc428 at Radford University >cguirrer@runet.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Spjut (pronounce ju as long u or yew) - Associate Professor of Engineering and Associate Director for Engineering Computing, Center for Design Education Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711-5990 USA Erik_Spjut@hmc.edu Ph & Voice mail (909) 607-3890 Fax (909) 621-8967 Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06182; 11 Sep 98 15:58 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa11262; 11 Sep 98 15:58 BST Received: (qmail 23065 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 14:58:54 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA19906); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:50:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:50:20 +0100 Received: from f3.hotmail.com [207.82.250.14] by hermes via SMTP (PAA06471); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:50:18 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 21938 invoked by uid 0); 11 Sep 1998 14:49:45 -0000 Message-ID: <19980911144945.21937.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 203.5.74.8 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:49:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [203.5.74.8] From: Andrew Callaghan To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: csound on PC Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 00:49:43 EST Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Not Another Novice! There appears to be a lack of information on running csound on the PC... I have windows 98 (soon NT). I am looking for a reliable shell to run csound on windows 95, 98 or NT, as well as any other applications which would be useful. I have found several, but all are problematic (Including the applications found at sites such as Bath). If anyone has had a good experience with a shell, could you please contact me with info on where to get it? Thanks. Andrew Callaghan (Student, La Trobe University). Email: A_Callaghan@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06232; 11 Sep 98 16:06 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa11999; 11 Sep 98 16:06 BST Received: (qmail 23603 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 15:06:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 15:06:37 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (PAA24908); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:55:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from send102.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.90] by hermes via SMTP (PAA01423); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:54:50 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980911145501.8962.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.78.64.5] by send102.yahoomail.com; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:55:01 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 07:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Thorin Kerr Subject: Re: amplitude question To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Actually.... is it my imagination. Or is this a really crap problem with csound? ---Erik Spjut wrote: > > Any p value beyound p3 stands for whatever YOU decide it stands for. If you > want p4 to be the amplitude of a given note, YOU have to write the > instrument in such a way that it is. > > There is no easy answer to the total amplitude that can be given without > distortion. The maximum value without distortion for all of your > instruments added together at their peak is either 32767 or -32768, but how > your instruments will add together and how their amplitudes should be set > is an EXTREMELY situation dependent problem. You either need to experiment > or use one of the Csound versions that lets you generate floating point > samples and then scales them to a max of 32767. Hope this helps. > > At 7:46 PM -0400 9/10/98, Christian Guirreri wrote: > >Please excuse my noviceness.... > > > >What exactly does the amplitude (p4) value stand for? What does it > >represent? What is the total amount of amplitude that can be given without > >distortion? > > > >Thanks, > >Christian Guirreri and Musc428 at Radford University > >cguirrer@runet.edu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Erik Spjut (pronounce ju as long u or yew) - Associate Professor of Engineering > and Associate Director for Engineering Computing, Center for Design Education > Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711-5990 USA > Erik_Spjut@hmc.edu Ph & Voice mail (909) 607-3890 Fax (909) 621-8967 > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06260; 11 Sep 98 16:15 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa12652; 11 Sep 98 16:15 BST Received: (qmail 5199 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 15:15:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 15:15:47 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA25122); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:19 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA18737); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from [138.38.97.36] (helo=maths.Bath.AC.UK ident=mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #2) id 0zHUmD-0001n3-00; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:06:21 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 98 16:06:20 BST From: J P Fitch To: Andrew Callaghan cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: csound on PC Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Why do you need a shell? If you use a GUI thingy it is not necessary, and if not, teh DOS-box is usually a sufficient shell. What else do you want? ==JOhn Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06373; 11 Sep 98 16:45 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa15281; 11 Sep 98 16:45 BST Received: (qmail 7539 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 15:45:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 15:45:41 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA09051); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:38:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:38:48 +0100 Received: from Thuban.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.53.8] (may be forged) by hermes via ESMTP (QAA20899); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:38:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from [134.173.38.61] (Spjut.Eng.HMC.Edu) by THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #28820) with ESMTP id <01J1OA0ETXFM8WXWTH@THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU> for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:38:43 PST Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:42:35 -0700 From: Erik Spjut Subject: Re: amplitude question In-reply-to: <19980911145501.8962.rocketmail@send102.yahoomail.com> X-Sender: spjut@thuban.ac.hmc.edu To: Thorin Kerr , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It all depends on your perspective. Csound, like the language C, assumes that you know what you're doing, which provides the expert with infinite power, the novice with infinite headaches, and no easy path from one state to the other. If you want your hand held and to be protected from all mistakes, go buy a commercial synth or a commercial program. If you want maximum flexibility with the resultant responsibility and pain, use Csound. People on the list are usually willing to help if you get stuck. At 7:55 AM -0700 9/11/98, Thorin Kerr wrote: >Actually.... is it my imagination. Or is this a really crap problem >with csound? [Amplitude Q & A deleted] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Spjut (pronounce ju as long u or yew) - Associate Professor of Engineering and Associate Director for Engineering Computing, Center for Design Education Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711-5990 USA Erik_Spjut@hmc.edu Ph & Voice mail (909) 607-3890 Fax (909) 621-8967 Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06429; 11 Sep 98 17:08 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa17550; 11 Sep 98 17:08 BST Received: (qmail 27023 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:08:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:08:35 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA26476); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:01:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from sunny.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:01:31 +0100 Received: from repop1.jps.net [209.63.224.238] by sunny via ESMTP (QAA10213); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 16:55:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from hml (209-142-58-182.stk.jps.net [209.142.58.182]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA16660 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 08:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701bddd2d$7d7924c0$b63a8ed1@hml> From: nunativs To: Csound list Subject: Individual Waves Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 19:40:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all, I can't seem to figure this out. How can one render the individual instruments in an orc as seperate waves for post processing & mixing. Thanks, Ken Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06443; 11 Sep 98 17:12 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa17842; 11 Sep 98 17:12 BST Received: (qmail 27216 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:12:01 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:12:01 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA13998); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:06:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:06:35 +0100 Received: from send104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.122] by hermes via SMTP (RAA21413); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:06:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <19980911160648.2926.rocketmail@send104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [129.78.64.5] by send104.yahoomail.com; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:06:48 PDT Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:06:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Thorin Kerr Subject: Re: amplitude question To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Yes, I agree with the notion of knowing what you're doing. But even the best laid schemes... Two things come to mind. Granula synthesis via score generation caused me many headaches. You don't have to be a novice for that to happen. Lots of tweaking cured it. Dare I mention other DSP software... that provide options... even defaults... even ask you before compilation. errmmm.... that all being said, I have actually used the 32 bit rescaling feature now and it seems to address that very problem. So ... thankyou all for your patience... I think I'll have a good cup of tea. ---Erik Spjut wrote: > > It all depends on your perspective. Csound, like the language C, assumes > that you know what you're doing, which provides the expert with infinite > power, the novice with infinite headaches, and no easy path from one state > to the other. > > If you want your hand held and to be protected from all mistakes, go buy a > commercial synth or a commercial program. If you want maximum flexibility > with the resultant responsibility and pain, use Csound. People on the list > are usually willing to help if you get stuck. > > At 7:55 AM -0700 9/11/98, Thorin Kerr wrote: > >Actually.... is it my imagination. Or is this a really crap problem > >with csound? > > [Amplitude Q & A deleted] > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Erik Spjut (pronounce ju as long u or yew) - Associate Professor of Engineering > and Associate Director for Engineering Computing, Center for Design Education > Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711-5990 USA > Erik_Spjut@hmc.edu Ph & Voice mail (909) 607-3890 Fax (909) 621-8967 > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06506; 11 Sep 98 17:24 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18921; 11 Sep 98 17:24 BST Received: (qmail 27676 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:23:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:23:56 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA17843); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:19:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:19:36 +0100 Received: from root@lix.intercom.es [194.179.21.2] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA03978); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:19:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from intercom.es (iv2-98.intercom.es [195.76.206.98]) by lix.intercom.es (8.7.3/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA23006; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:20:13 +0100 Message-ID: <35F94D4D.5B31B7ED@intercom.es> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:18:21 +0200 From: Josep M Comajuncosas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Stevenson , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: the use of Feedback ? References: <199809102240.PAA00320@eos.arc.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by exeter.ac.uk id RAA03978 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I=B4ll send the orc&sco in ASCII then... Jim Stevenson wrote: > Please post in ascii, not attached mime. > Some of us read e-mail on line, and do not want to download and mime > unpack messages. > It should be just as easy to simply paste in the relevant file. > > Thanks. Here it is... sr =3D 44100 kr =3D 44100 ksmps =3D 1 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; instr 1; very simple feedback simulator ; does feedback work this way??? ; coded by Josep M Comajuncosas / sept.=B498 ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; kfreq init 1152 kfdbk linseg .9, p3/5, 1.4, p3/5, .9, p3/5, 1.2, 2p3/5, 1 asig pluck 1, 123, 123, 0, 1 atemp delayr 1/20 acomb deltapi 1/kfreq aiir dcblock asig + kfdbkacomb aiir =3D aiir - aiiraiiraiir/6 delayw aiir out acomb20000 endin ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; instr 2; repluck feedback simulator? ; coded by Josep M Comajuncosas / sept.=B498 ; This instrument is an accident ;-) ; but it gives wonderful noises ! ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; kenv linseg 0 ,.05, 0 ,p3/3, 1, p3/3, 1, p3/3, 0 kfreq linseg 1152, p3/2, 673, p3/2, 451 acomb init 0 kfdbk linseg .5, p3/5, 1.1, p3/5, .9, p3/5, 1.2, 2p3/5, 1 asig repluck .4, 1, 123, .7, .1, acomb atemp delayr 1/20 acomb deltapi 1/kfreq; acomb routed back to repluck aiir =3D asig + kfdbkacomb ; cheap clipper kiir downsamp aiir kiir =3D (kiir > 1 ? 1:kiir) kiir =3D (kiir < -1 ? -1:kiir) aiir upsamp kiir delayw aiir ; cheap clipper (bis) ksig downsamp asig ksig =3D (ksig > 1 ? 1:ksig) ksig =3D (ksig < -1 ? -1:ksig) asig upsamp ksig out asig20000kenv endin ;f1 0 8192 21 1 f1 0 8192 10 1 i2 0 20 s i1 1 30 e Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06547; 11 Sep 98 17:40 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20164; 11 Sep 98 17:40 BST Received: (qmail 28543 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:40:24 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:40:24 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA06415); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:34:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:33:57 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [206.103.224.20] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA11457); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:33:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (dial56.werewolf.net [206.103.225.66]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA19475 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:31:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Hans Mikelson To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork Subject: Re: amplitude question Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:36:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bddda2$57ee08e0$42e167ce@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >Actually.... is it my imagination. Or is this a really crap problem >with csound? It's just your imagination. Or you could use balance to put things right again. Regards, Hans Mikelson Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06555; 11 Sep 98 17:40 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20202; 11 Sep 98 17:40 BST Received: (qmail 10908 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:38:32 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:38:32 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA10440); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:27:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:27:44 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [206.103.224.20] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA11220); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:27:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (dial56.werewolf.net [206.103.225.66]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA18956; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:25:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Hans Mikelson To: Andrew Callaghan , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork Subject: Re: csound on PC Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:30:09 -0500 Message-ID: <01bddda1$7174e000$42e167ce@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >If anyone has had a good experience with a shell, could you please >contact me with info on where to get it I use Csound32 v3.3 on Win95. It's not perfect but it's OK. Hans Mikelson Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06581; 11 Sep 98 17:45 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20577; 11 Sep 98 17:45 BST Received: (qmail 11604 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:45:37 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:45:37 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA24792); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:40:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:39:49 +0100 Received: from repop1.jps.net [209.63.224.238] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA21528); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:39:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from hml (209-142-54-185.stk.jps.net [209.142.54.185]) by repop1.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA00978; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 09:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002e01bddd33$21f1b080$b9368ed1@hml> From: nunativs To: Hans Mikelson , Andrew Callaghan , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork Subject: Re: csound on PC Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:20:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, There are several good shells now for running Csound though setting them up can be a chore. The 2 best in my opinion and are radically different are: -WCShell, a more straight forward shell with lots of features. http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4768/ and VisOrc which lets you do some of your Orc designing visually, http://www.dingy.demon.co.uk/ Neither shell will get you away from having to learn Csound. I also hear that Cecilia is being coded for Windows but that could be a vicious rumor. Ken Locarnini -----Original Message----- From: Hans Mikelson To: Andrew Callaghan ; csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 9:32 AM Subject: Re: csound on PC >>If anyone has had a good experience with a shell, could you please >>contact me with info on where to get it > >I use Csound32 v3.3 on Win95. It's not perfect but it's OK. > >Hans Mikelson > > Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06618; 11 Sep 98 17:50 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa20979; 11 Sep 98 17:50 BST Received: (qmail 11994 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:50:12 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:50:12 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA02453); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:37:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:37:18 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [206.103.224.20] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA04799); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:37:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from default (dial56.werewolf.net [206.103.225.66]) by howl.werewolf.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA26464 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:35:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Hans Mikelson To: Csound list Subject: Re: Individual Waves Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:39:58 -0500 Message-ID: <01bddda2$d03de680$42e167ce@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > I can't seem to figure this out. How can one render the individual >instruments in an orc as seperate waves for post processing & mixing. I comment out the ones I don't want to hear in the score. If you have a text editor you can do this automatically but be careful. You can use the "a" event to advance in the score. Regards, Hans Mikelson Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06640; 11 Sep 98 17:57 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21689; 11 Sep 98 17:57 BST Received: (qmail 29018 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 16:57:06 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (RAA06856); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:50:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:49:55 +0100 Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (RAA26154); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 17:49:53 +0100 (BST) Received: by NEPTUNE.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:46 -0500 Message-ID: <283AABB8FD0DD21187C200A0C995F5DE0ECC87@NEPTUNE.lyrick.com> From: David Boothe To: 'nunativs' Cc: "Csound (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Individual Waves Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 11:47:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's an procedure similar to what I use: 1. create a new instr to generate sync pops as in syncpop.orc example below, I call it instr 1. 2. Create a separate sco file for each instr, putting all statements for that instr in a second section, with their original p2 times. The first section is the sync pop as implemented in syncpop.sco below. Essentially you are padding the front of the composition with 1 second then putting a sync pop at the beginning. 3. In your multitrack editor (presumably a DAW type thing) line up all the sync pops at the beginning, then cut exactly 1 second off the front of each track. Depending on the running time of your comp and the stability of your system clock, you may need to divide the entire comp up into shorter, sequential sections, to keep the tracks from drifting out of sync over time. In that case repeat this procedure for all sections. I never do anything very long, so I don't know about this last point. You'll just have to try it and see. Hope this helps. -David. ;------------------------------------------- ;syncpop.orc sr = 44100 kr = 4410 ksmps = 10 nchnls = 1 instr 1 ;or whatever instr num is appropriate a1 oscil 10000, 1000, 1 ;simple oscillator ;use ftable num appropriate ;to your sco for above oscil out a1 endin ;----------------------------------------- ;syncpop.sco f1 0 512 10 1 i1 0 .05 f0 1 s ;now start the i statements from your orc ;an example is below i1 0 1 e -----Original Message----- From: nunativs [mailto:nunativs@jps.net] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 1998 9:40 PM To: Csound list Subject: Individual Waves Hi all, I can't seem to figure this out. How can one render the individual instruments in an orc as seperate waves for post processing & mixing. Thanks, Ken Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06726; 11 Sep 98 18:45 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05920; 11 Sep 98 18:45 BST Received: (qmail 15247 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 17:44:56 -0000 Received: from mail.infohouse.com (HELO milhouse.infohouse.com) (206.30.88.4) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:44:56 -0000 Received: from [208.151.41.86] by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:33:35 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:50:41 -0500 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork From: tolve Subject: maximizers; was amp question Cc: Thorin Kerr , Tom Erbe , John ffitch , Jean Piche , "Matt J. Ingalls" , Alex Burton , Richard Boulanger , Mike Berry , David Madole , Gabriel Maldonado , Robin Whittle anyone to offer csound perceived volume maximizing orc sco? or better yet, an opcode? amplitude. not csound crap but a universal problem. simply a simple matter that isn't. and just when you think you have it under control, you create a maxed out (32767) sound of minimum volume. with no hidden "loud" frequencies above and below pitches audible to humans to confuse the hardware. keep in mind that i am not talking about a long file with a single transient hiding somewhere -just a single second or so of sound that i just can't seem to crank up. and this happens far too frequently. their are commercial products out there designed to increase perceived volume of sounds that are otherwise maxed out. masterlist cd (for use with digidesign products -a cruise of their ftp turned up an empty detailed info folder) allegedly has a killer feature for maximizing files, and i believe sonicworx. have been told that some such features rely on complex algorithms to select and limit certain frequencies while increasing volume of others to increase overall perceived volume with minimum detrimental effect. in fact my sense is that the professional audio industry frowns on normalizing in general even at 90% though i personally don't encounter problems that would become apparent if i was dealing with realistic human voices, violins and such. and compression coupled with an increase in gain is a solution even worse in for those purposes. so does anyone have a handy dandy magic bullet at the ready for this in csound, or other shareware or do i take out my credit card yet again? and if yes on the credit card, what do our best and brightest recommend? assistance or advice extremely appreciated. tolve Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06737; 11 Sep 98 18:49 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06327; 11 Sep 98 18:49 BST Received: (qmail 15401 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 17:49:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:49:10 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA11032); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:44:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:44:24 +0100 Received: from mail.infohouse.com [206.30.88.4] by hermes via ESMTP (SAA23723); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:44:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [208.151.41.86] by milhouse.infohouse.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 141-53521U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:33:35 -0400 X-Sender: ic11748@mail.infohouse.com (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 13:50:41 -0500 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork From: tolve Subject: maximizers; was amp question Cc: Thorin Kerr , Tom Erbe , John ffitch , Jean Piche , "Matt J. Ingalls" , Alex Burton , Richard Boulanger , Mike Berry , David Madole , Gabriel Maldonado , Robin Whittle Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk anyone to offer csound perceived volume maximizing orc sco? or better yet, an opcode? amplitude. not csound crap but a universal problem. simply a simple matter that isn't. and just when you think you have it under control, you create a maxed out (32767) sound of minimum volume. with no hidden "loud" frequencies above and below pitches audible to humans to confuse the hardware. keep in mind that i am not talking about a long file with a single transient hiding somewhere -just a single second or so of sound that i just can't seem to crank up. and this happens far too frequently. their are commercial products out there designed to increase perceived volume of sounds that are otherwise maxed out. masterlist cd (for use with digidesign products -a cruise of their ftp turned up an empty detailed info folder) allegedly has a killer feature for maximizing files, and i believe sonicworx. have been told that some such features rely on complex algorithms to select and limit certain frequencies while increasing volume of others to increase overall perceived volume with minimum detrimental effect. in fact my sense is that the professional audio industry frowns on normalizing in general even at 90% though i personally don't encounter problems that would become apparent if i was dealing with realistic human voices, violins and such. and compression coupled with an increase in gain is a solution even worse in for those purposes. so does anyone have a handy dandy magic bullet at the ready for this in csound, or other shareware or do i take out my credit card yet again? and if yes on the credit card, what do our best and brightest recommend? assistance or advice extremely appreciated. tolve Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06743; 11 Sep 98 18:49 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06334; 11 Sep 98 18:49 BST Received: (qmail 246 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 17:49:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:49:45 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (SAA18449); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:42:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:42:24 +0100 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by hermes via SMTP (SAA10565); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:42:23 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 7481 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 17:42:25 -0000 Received: from userk940.uk.uudial.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.149.73.8) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 17:42:25 -0000 Message-ID: <35F96132.FFD8AE02@dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 18:43:14 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Callaghan CC: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: csound on PC References: <19980911144945.21937.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andrew Callaghan wrote: > > Not Another Novice! > There appears to be a lack of information on running csound on the PC... > I have windows 98 (soon NT). > I am looking for a reliable shell to run csound on windows 95, 98 or NT, > as well as any other applications which would be useful. I have found > several, but all are problematic (Including the applications found at > sites such as Bath). > If anyone has had a good experience with a shell, could you please > contact me with info on where to get it? Thanks. > Andrew Callaghan (Student, La Trobe University). > >I've tried absolutely EVERYTHING to make csound a little more friendly looking but I've ended up using a couple of notepads for orc and score and the MSDOS prompt-It's simpler.All the nice front ends i've tried are too idiosyncratic. As yet there is nothing to touch the MAC stuff like cecilia and Soundhack. Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07128; 11 Sep 98 20:25 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa13945; 11 Sep 98 20:25 BST Received: (qmail 19249 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1998 19:25:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 Sep 1998 19:25:04 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (UAA25084); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:19:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:19:01 +0100 Received: from kgallagh@tempest.ocis.temple.edu [155.247.166.120] by hermes via ESMTP (UAA06797); Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:19:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (kgallagh@localhost) by tempest.ocis.temple.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA22630; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:18:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Kevin Gallagher To: Christian Guirreri cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: amplitude question In-Reply-To: <199809102343.TAA00284@ruacad.runet.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Csound usually uses 16 bit amplitude resolution, the same as CD quality audio. This means that there are 2^16 = 65536 possible amplitude values for a sample, ranging from -32768 to +32767 (with one value reserved for zero.) The dynamic range is therefore about 48dB (I think.) The value you input for amplitude, in most cases p4, is the maximum amplitude that any sample reaches. If you have a bunch of waves happening at the same time, they add together and you have to be careful you don't max out. The total amplitude of all the waves at a given time can't exceed 32767. If a sample's amplitude spikes above 32767, csound will set it at 32767 and you will have some distortion and a message about samples out of range. Hope that helps. Kevin Gallagher, kgallagh@astro.temple.edu Web Address - http://astro.temple.edu/~kgallagh On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Christian Guirreri wrote: > Please excuse my noviceness.... > > What exactly does the amplitude (p4) value stand for? What does it > represent? What is the total amount of amplitude that can be given without > distortion? > > Thanks, > Christian Guirreri and Musc428 at Radford University > cguirrer@runet.edu > Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07581; 12 Sep 98 1:46 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09988; 12 Sep 98 1:46 BST Received: (qmail 9664 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 00:46:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 00:46:51 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA05158); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:43:39 +0100 (BST) From: jasonf@thei.net Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:43:28 +0100 Received: from thei98.ciris.net [207.51.234.98] (may be forged) by hermes via SMTP (BAA21270); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:43:25 +0100 (BST) X-ROUTED: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:45:00 -0500 X-TCP-IDENTITY: JasonF Received: from Dellbert.org [207.51.234.106] by cct.thei.net with smtp id BDCMDEDF ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:44:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:40:32 -0500 (CDT) To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: midi orc/sco files Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hey, I just started using Csound and am interested in realtime midi control. I've followed the directions in the LinuxMIDIin.txt file that came with Csound. I didn't get any errors, but the .orc/.sco file just played like I hadn't specified the midi input. I'm assuming I have to have a .sco file written for midi input before it'll work. Until I get good enough at Csound syntax to write my own files, would some of you be willing to share your .orc/.sco files written for midi input? I guess you can just send them directly to my email address, or point me to a URL. One last thing, what kind of .sco file do I need to get all of these DX7 .orc files I got from dx7orc2.zip working? Thanks in advance. Regards, Jason ---------------------------------- E-Mail: jasonf@thei.net Date: 11-Sep-98 Time: 19:32:02 This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07694; 12 Sep 98 3:08 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa17801; 12 Sep 98 3:08 BST Received: (qmail 2181 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 02:08:53 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 02:08:53 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA16672); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:05:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:05:24 +0100 Received: from pop02.globecomm.net [206.253.129.186] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA22393); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:05:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from iname.com (ppp228.131.mmtl.videotron.net [207.96.131.228]) by pop02.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with ESMTP id WAA03005 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <35F9D795.A99BB38A@iname.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:08:21 -0400 From: Antoine Lefebvre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.34 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound mailing list Subject: Re: midi orc/sco files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello if you want your sound to work, you have to put in the .sco file all the gen routine and an f0 statement that let csound know how many time it should run. example f01 0 1024 10 1 ; simple sinus f02 0 1024 7 0 128 10 256 10 256 -10 256 -10 128 0 ;ca. square wave f03 0 1024 10 1 .5 .3 .2 .15 .12 ;six weighted sinusoids f04 0 1024 10 1 .2 .05 ;three weighted sinusoids f0 80 ;run during 80 seconds e instr 1 ifreq cpsmidi asig oscili 5000, ifreq, 2 kampenv linenr 1, 0.1, 0.2, 0.01 out asigkampenv endin And the command line should be: csound -odevaudio -W -dm6 -M/dev/midi midi.orc midi.sco Antoine jasonf@thei.net wrote: > Hey, > > I just started using Csound and am interested in realtime midi control. I've > followed the directions in the LinuxMIDIin.txt file that came with Csound. I > didn't get any errors, but the .orc/.sco file just played like I hadn't > specified the midi input. I'm assuming I have to have a .sco file written for > midi input before it'll work. Until I get good enough at Csound syntax to write > my own files, would some of you be willing to share your .orc/.sco files > written for midi input? I guess you can just send them directly to my email > address, or point me to a URL. One last thing, what kind of .sco file do I need > to get all of these DX7 .orc files I got from dx7orc2.zip working? Thanks in > advance. > Regards, > Jason > > ---------------------------------- > E-Mail: jasonf@thei.net > Date: 11-Sep-98 > Time: 19:32:02 > > This message was sent by XFMail > ---------------------------------- Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07731; 12 Sep 98 3:23 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18945; 12 Sep 98 3:23 BST Received: (qmail 2425 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 02:23:15 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA03553); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:20:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:20:32 +0100 Received: from root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA03443); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:20:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from dante26.u.washington.edu (bbattey@dante26.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.100]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id TAA35636 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:20:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (bbattey@localhost) by dante26.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id TAA79354 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:20:26 -0700 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 19:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "B. Battey" To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: csound 3.485 problem with floats? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Last month, inspired by the 'floats' discussion on the list, I generated some float files from csound and then ran those float files through another csound instrument via the '-i' flag to scale them and write them to an AIFF file. I was doing this work on Linux Csound version 3.482.1a. I tried again this month using version 3.485, and it appears to me that this newer version is not writing or reading float files correctly. When reading the float files via the "-i" flag, csound is claiming that there is no soundfile header and that it is assuming that data is shorts. It then procedes to create a sound file of 100% tasty noise. I get the same results running Irix csound 3.485. Here are the test scenarios: ---------- Scenario 1: reading an old float file I generated and used back in August v3.482.1a: "reading 8192-byte blks of floats" v3.485: "no soundfile header,assuming shorts" ----------- Scenario 2: reading in a fresh, new float file made with v 3.482.1a v3.482.1a: "reading 8192-byte blks of floats" v3.485: "no soundfile header,assuming shorts" ---------- Scenario 3: reading a new float file made with v3.485 v3.482.1a: "no soundfile header, assuming shorts" v.3.485: "no soundfile header,assuming shorts" ---------- Therefore: it seems csound 3.485 has a problem in BOTH reading and writing float files. Any one else seen this? Am I missing something? Thanks, Bret Battey Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07752; 12 Sep 98 3:31 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa19508; 12 Sep 98 3:31 BST Received: (qmail 2581 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 02:31:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 02:31:03 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA27885); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:28:51 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:28:41 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA20627); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 03:28:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from ibm.net (slip-32-100-159-57.dc.us.ibm.net [32.100.159.57]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id CAA09502 for ; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 02:28:39 GMT Message-ID: <35F9DCD9.D5869A8@ibm.net> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 22:30:49 -0400 From: Job van Zuijlen Reply-To: zuijlen@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: amplitude question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk 48 dB would be worse than an old-fashioned tape recorder... Since we deal with power (sound pressure, Watts, etc), ten times increase in amplitude results in a 100 times increase in power, which is 20dB. So, ideally, 16 bits could give you 96 dB dynamic range. Job van Zuijlen Kevin Gallagher wrote: > > Csound usually uses 16 bit amplitude resolution, the same as CD quality > audio. This means that there are 2^16 = 65536 possible amplitude values > for a sample, ranging from -32768 to +32767 (with one value reserved for > zero.) The dynamic range is therefore about 48dB (I think.) > Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08211; 12 Sep 98 10:21 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa21154; 12 Sep 98 10:21 BST Received: (qmail 10783 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 09:21:19 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 09:21:19 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (KAA25969); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:17:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from exeter.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:16:50 +0100 Received: from monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69] by hermes via SMTP (KAA01635); Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:16:50 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 10853 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1998 09:16:55 -0000 Received: from userk539.uk.uudial.com (HELO dial.pipex.com) (193.149.70.115) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 1998 09:16:55 -0000 Message-ID: <35FA3C38.F1D819EC@dial.pipex.com> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:17:44 +0100 From: Gareth Whittock X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Csound mailing list Subject: Thaks to all for the pointers to Csound examples. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I've managed to get hold of enough material to get stuck in to csound now- no more excuses. Thanks chaps- I think! Gareth Whittock