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Date1997-07-26 14:00
FromEmma Beechey
SubjectPiano sounds
Hi!  I'm relatively new to Csound, only been working with it since
February for a uni course, but I've been following the Csound since
then.

I'm looking for a good piano-like instrument to use as a model for
working out my own (probably more basic) version of a piano sound.  I'm
doing a short composition that I want to start with a "realistic" (if
you'll excuse the expression) sound and then move further off into
sounds associated with the use of nitrous oxide (happy gas, the gas used
by dentists).  Could anyone help me with finding a piano-like instrument
for the opening?  I have had real trouble designing one that doesn't
sound very unreal already!

Any help would be greatly appreciated and of course anyone who could
help would be fully credited at the beginning of the piece.  For the
course I am studying we do not have to create all of our own
instruments, so I'm not sneaking around behind our lecturer's back. 
Also, I'd much prefer to look at an instrument to get an idea of how
it's done and then create my own, rather than use someone else's
instrument as it is.

By the way, I'm use Winsound (is that a real cop-out?) on a Pentium 133.

Any advice gratefully accepted!

Emma Beechey



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Emma Beechey wrote:
> 
> Hi!  I'm relatively new to Csound, only been working with it since
> February for a uni course, but I've been following the Csound since
> then.
> 
> I'm looking for a good piano-like instrument to use as a model for
> working out my own (probably more basic) version of a piano sound.  I'm
> doing a short composition that I want to start with a "realistic" (if
> you'll excuse the expression) sound and then move further off into
> sounds associated with the use of nitrous oxide (happy gas, the gas used
> by dentists).  Could anyone help me with finding a piano-like instrument
> for the opening?  I have had real trouble designing one that doesn't
> sound very unreal already!

My suggestion is to use the real McCoy... and then alter it radically.
Investigate analysis/resynthesis, granulation and spectral techniques.
They are very powerful and a lot of fun! Good luck


-- 
________________________________________________________
Jean Piche
Universite de Montreal
http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/Org/CompoElectro/CEC/



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Hi,

	I've recently been trying to fiddle with CSound, but am still
registering a "duh" on the comprehension meter.  The manual is ok, but
seems to be more of a reference to experienced users.

	Does anyone know of any good books, etc, that will get me started with
this program? It seems I need to be given a little more "how" in
addition to the "what."

	Thanks in advance!!

				- Averill





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From: Dave Phillips 
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I have updated the following pages:

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_csound.html
           (much enlarged, added many links)

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_soundapps.html
           (constantly expanding, many new applications added)

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/dp_csound.html
           (some links corrected)

Please look them over and send comments, criticisms, and suggestions to
me via email (dlphilp@bright.net). If you have a Csound site or other
resource you would like to see added to any of those pages please notify
me, I will be happy to increase the number of available Csound links.

Thank you...

== Dave Phillips

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/index.html



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On Thursday, July 24, 1997 8:43 AM, Averill 
[SMTP:averill@planet.earthcom.net] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 	I've recently been trying to fiddle with CSound, but am still
> registering a "duh" on the comprehension meter.  The manual is ok, but
> seems to be more of a reference to experienced users.
>
> 	Does anyone know of any good books, etc, that will get me started with
> this program? It seems I need to be given a little more "how" in
> addition to the "what."
>
> 	Thanks in advance!!
>
> 				- Averill
>
>

I agree that the manual is pretty terse.  That's what happens when 
programmers, rather than someone with the end-user slant, writes the docs 
(and I suspect that the programmers had themselves in mind as end-users 
).  If you'll look at the appendices of the most common manual out 
there, you'll find a short tutorial.  You can download the files 
appropriate to those tutorials at most of the big CSound sites in a 
directory called, appropriately enough, "Tutorial."   If you're looking for 
more, you'll just have to experiment, or get a bud who already knows the 
language.  Hope this helps.

Reid Sweatman
Programmer/Audio Engineer





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Does anyone have any experience using the KYMA sound design
workstation described at http://www.symbolicsound.com/kyma.html ?

How does it compare to other computer-based workstations like
the IRCAM ISPW for NeXT ?

Is there any difference when it's used on a mac and on a PC ?

Their new PCI boards looks quite inexpensive...

jbv

P.S. please e-mail privately as this may be a little bit off-topic



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Hi Emma,

At 23:00 26/07/97 +1000, Emma Beechey wrote:
>Hi!  I'm relatively new to Csound, only been working with it since
>February for a uni course, but I've been following the Csound since
>then.

       Wellcome then!
       You can find one good C3 piano sound in aiff format at Midi2Cs web page
with the Pink Panther midi file example at:
                http://www.snafu.de/~rubo/songlab/midi2cs
       or mail RuBo at:
                RuBo@Berlin.Snafu.De
                                        Pablo.

>I'm looking for a good piano-like instrument to use as a model for
>working out my own (probably more basic) version of a piano sound.  I'm
>doing a short composition that I want to start with a "realistic" (if
>you'll excuse the expression) sound and then move further off into
>sounds associated with the use of nitrous oxide (happy gas, the gas used
>by dentists).  Could anyone help me with finding a piano-like instrument
>for the opening?  I have had real trouble designing one that doesn't
>sound very unreal already!
-----------------------------------------------
Pablo Sotuyo Blanco
Composer - French Horn Player 
4th French Horn of the City Hall Symphonic Band
Luppo Music (Sounds & Casuals) Editor
-----------------------------------------------
Tomas de Tezanos 1329
CP 11.300 Buceo
Montevideo - Uruguay
mailto:psotuyo@chasque.apc.org
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Csound Version 3.46 (Jul 27 1997)

Just fyi, I had to include the following text as a quickfix in sysdep.h
Problem being that 'tell' wasn't being defined on my glibc 2.04 system:

--
#include 
#define  tell(x) lseek(x,0L,1)
--

- lv