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Re: Formant table?

Date1997-04-14 10:21
From"Daniel W. Hosken"
SubjectRe: Formant table?
At 8:30 -0400 4/14/97, Jean Piche wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>We are trying to find a table specifying formant freuqnecies and
>amplitudes for different vowels. This is for inclusion in the Csound
>manual as an Appendix along with a number of parametric tables.
>
>Any pointers appreciated!

The Bennet and Rodet article from the book Current Directions in Computer
Music Research (MIT Press, 1989) has and appendix that gives formant freq,
bandwidth, and relative amplitude for five formants for five(?) different
vowels for each of five (it includes either contralto or countertenor---I
don't remember which) different voice types. I've found this appendix to be
extremely useful (there's also some great information in the article about
formant alterations for the female voices as the fundamental
approaches/exceeds the first formant frequency).


Dan Hosken
dwhosken@students.wisc.edu

Computer Music Studio
Composition Department
School of Music
University of Wisconsin-Madison


Date1997-04-14 13:30
FromJean Piche
SubjectFormant table?
Dear all,

We are trying to find a table specifying formant freuqnecies and
amplitudes for different vowels. This is for inclusion in the Csound
manual as an Appendix along with a number of parametric tables.

Any pointers appreciated!


-- 
________________________________________________________
Jean Piche
Universite de Montreal
http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/Org/CompoElectro/CEC/



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I need a volunteer to extract and comment all the different error
messages generated by Csound. For inclusion in the manual appendices. No
pay but untold glory!

Cheers

Mail to me.



-- 
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Jean Piche
Universite de Montreal
http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/Org/CompoElectro/CEC/



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From: Peter Kearton 
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Hi,

    Jean Piche wrote,
     
> We are trying to find a table specifying formant freuqnecies and
> amplitudes for different vowels. This is for inclusion in the Csound
> manual as an Appendix along with a number of parametric tables.
> 

 JASA Vol. 67 no. 3 March 1980 pages 986 - 987 has some tables - and 
the whole article 'Software for a cascade/parallel formant 
synthesizer' might be useful,

                        Pete Kearton*************************************************
Peter Kearton,
University of Surrey Psychology Department,
Guildford,
United Kingdom.
GU2 5XH
Tel. UK (01483) 300800 Ext.3346
e-mail - P.kearton@surrey.ac.uk
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Jean:

"The Science of the Singing Voice", (Johan?) Sundberg,

published by Northern Illinois University Press.

One of the early sources for this, rather comprehensive if you don't mind 
Swedish vowels. F. Richard Moore's book has some tables as well, which 
may originate from the same. 

Paul Koonce


On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Jean Piche wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> We are trying to find a table specifying formant freuqnecies and
> amplitudes for different vowels. This is for inclusion in the Csound
> manual as an Appendix along with a number of parametric tables.
> 
> Any pointers appreciated!
> 
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________
> Jean Piche
> Universite de Montreal
> http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
> http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/Org/CompoElectro/CEC/
> 



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From: Mike Berry 
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	"Computer Music" by Charles Dodge pg. 205  (from article by Xavier
Rodet, which is probably more complete).

Mike Berry
mikeb@mills.edu
http://www.mills.edu/PEOPLE/gr.pages/mikeb.public.html/mikeb.homepage.html




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I am getting a memory allocation failure, but even when I increase the perf
memory allocation, it still dies at the same spot. Any ideas on where the
problem could be?

I'm using the mills version--

thanks
Empi 



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Hi,

	there's an article from X. Rodet and G. Bennet with two tables - 8
Vowels (male) and 5 vowels (female) both with 5 fof's:

		"Synthese de la Voix Chantee par Ordinateur"

	published in Conferences des Journees d'etudes 1980 - Paris. 
	A copy is available from Mr. Rodet.

Best,

Marcelo M. Wanderley

IRCAM - Groupe Analyse/Synthese 
Marcelo.Wanderley@ircam.fr



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Fred Englert
Institut fuer Phonetik der
Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universitaet
Postfach 11 19 32
D-60054 Frankfurt am Main
Tel.: +49.69.79823744
Fax.: +49.69.79823774 

Dear Csounders,

for generating synthetic singers you may want to try a
new waveform-based speech-synthesizer. At
	http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/
you can download the MBROLA synthesizer and different
voices (for different languages) for that synthesizer.
It is NOT a so-called Text-To-Speech system. You have
to provide input-files of the form

speech sound, duration, [pitch pair, ...]

For example:
a	120 0 100.5 50 110.1 93 105.2
will produce the vowel /a/ with a duration of 120 ms, the
fundamental frequency (F0) will start with 100.5 cps, then
there will be a linear change of F0, so that 110.5 cps are
reached at 50 percent of the specified duration and another
linear change will lead to 105.2 cps at 93 percent.

As with human voices, not all of the voices may sound good
in all frequency ranges. IMHO it is very important to use
the appropriate rate (and depth) of amplitude- and frequency-
modulation to achieve a good quality of singing voices with
this synthesizer.

Please note, that with this type of speech-synthesizer the
concatenation of speech sounds is somewhat restricted, e.g.
for the German voice the combination
	_ + N (silence followed by a velar nasal)
is not possible, because it will normally not occur in this
language.


Fred Englert
 



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At 8:30 -0400 4/14/97, Jean Piche wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>We are trying to find a table specifying formant freuqnecies and
>amplitudes for different vowels. This is for inclusion in the Csound
>manual as an Appendix along with a number of parametric tables.
>
>Any pointers appreciated!

The Bennet and Rodet article from the book Current Directions in Computer
Music Research (MIT Press, 1989) has and appendix that gives formant freq,
bandwidth, and relative amplitude for five formants for five(?) different
vowels for each of five (it includes either contralto or countertenor---I
don't remember which) different voice types. I've found this appendix to be
extremely useful (there's also some great information in the article about
formant alterations for the female voices as the fundamental
approaches/exceeds the first formant frequency).


Dan Hosken
dwhosken@students.wisc.edu

Computer Music Studio
Composition Department
School of Music
University of Wisconsin-Madison





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Ted Grusec wrote:

> >.ua stands for Ukraine ( it should be .uk, but we were stuck with
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> >Vadim.
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> Not to mention that .uk is already taken (united kingdom, i.e., great
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My God, it was this fact that I meant !!!

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Allen Adler wrote:
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> I don't have any sound production equipment and also
> have been unable to install csound.
>
What platform you're running ? On most, installing Csound
takes as little as unZipping. What's the problem ?

Vadim.





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does anyone know of any good sound file editors for xwindows under
linux?
i haven't found any that are even close to some of the freeware ones
available for windows95, but i would rather use xwindows, because i
really like using cecilia

thanks



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Hi!

From=20an old csound message...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:25:31 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bernhard Wagner 
To: "Levi.Toth" 
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Subject: Re: Formants

>=20
> I wonder, whether anybody could help me with a few numbers ...
> Thanks very much; I know it'sreally annoying, because is a list of cute
> frequencies, so I don't expect that much patience- but any hints would
> be welcomed.
>=20
check out=20
Gerald Bennett and Xavier Rodet; Synthesis of the Singing voice in
Max V. Mathews, John R. Pierce, ed.;Current Directions in=20
Computer Music Research;MIT Press, Cambridge, Massachusetts 1989.

I already once typed in the parameters, so here you got them...

Enjoy!

Bernhard

  Bernhard Wagner, MultiMedia Laboratory              bwagner@ifi.unizh.ch
  University of Zurich, Switzerland                   VOICE +41-1-257-4569
  Inst.f.Informatik, Winterthurerstr. 190             FAX +41-1-363-00-35
  CH-8057-Z\"urich;             http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/bwagner.html

---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----

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dr livingstone wrote:
> 
> does anyone know of any good sound file editors for xwindows under
> linux?  i haven't found any that are even close to some of the 
> freeware ones available for windows95, but i would rather use 
> xwindows, because i  really like using cecilia

A number of available editors are listed at 
http://www.boutell.com/lsm/lsmbykey.cgi/sound ?


GB



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I've put up two pages devoted to MIDI and sound applications useful to
users of Linux Csound. Check them out at:

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_soundapps.html

and

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/cs_helpers.html

If you're comparing to Win95 and Mac editors you'll likely be somewhat
disappointed. OTOH, nothing on those platforms quite compares to Snd or
MiXViews. Also, the Ceres SoundStudio is a good low-priced
commercially-available editor. See my pages for URLs to these and other
interesting Linux sound apps.

== Dave Phillips

   http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/index.html

Date1997-04-14 17:23
FromMike Berry
SubjectRe: Formant table?
	"Computer Music" by Charles Dodge pg. 205  (from article by Xavier
Rodet, which is probably more complete).

Mike Berry
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Date1997-04-14 17:24
FromPaul Koonce
SubjectRe: Formant table?
Jean:

"The Science of the Singing Voice", (Johan?) Sundberg,

published by Northern Illinois University Press.

One of the early sources for this, rather comprehensive if you don't mind 
Swedish vowels. F. Richard Moore's book has some tables as well, which 
may originate from the same. 

Paul Koonce


On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, Jean Piche wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> We are trying to find a table specifying formant freuqnecies and
> amplitudes for different vowels. This is for inclusion in the Csound
> manual as an Appendix along with a number of parametric tables.
> 
> Any pointers appreciated!
> 
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________
> Jean Piche
> Universite de Montreal
> http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~pichej
> http://www.musique.umontreal.ca/Org/CompoElectro/CEC/
> 

Date1997-04-14 19:53
Fromenglert@ipx01.phonetik.uni-frankfurt.de
SubjectRe: Formant table?
Fred Englert
Institut fuer Phonetik der
Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universitaet
Postfach 11 19 32
D-60054 Frankfurt am Main
Tel.: +49.69.79823744
Fax.: +49.69.79823774 

Dear Csounders,

for generating synthetic singers you may want to try a
new waveform-based speech-synthesizer. At
	http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/
you can download the MBROLA synthesizer and different
voices (for different languages) for that synthesizer.
It is NOT a so-called Text-To-Speech system. You have
to provide input-files of the form

speech sound, duration, [pitch pair, ...]

For example:
a	120 0 100.5 50 110.1 93 105.2
will produce the vowel /a/ with a duration of 120 ms, the
fundamental frequency (F0) will start with 100.5 cps, then
there will be a linear change of F0, so that 110.5 cps are
reached at 50 percent of the specified duration and another
linear change will lead to 105.2 cps at 93 percent.

As with human voices, not all of the voices may sound good
in all frequency ranges. IMHO it is very important to use
the appropriate rate (and depth) of amplitude- and frequency-
modulation to achieve a good quality of singing voices with
this synthesizer.

Please note, that with this type of speech-synthesizer the
concatenation of speech sounds is somewhat restricted, e.g.
for the German voice the combination
	_ + N (silence followed by a velar nasal)
is not possible, because it will normally not occur in this
language.


Fred Englert