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>>>>> "HM" == Hans Mikelson writes:
HM> Greetings,
HM> Wouldn't it be possible to use numerical methods to "solve" the
HM> filter differential equation given a continuous differentiable input
HM> function X, and differential equation somewhat as follows?:
HM> a1Y+a2Y'+a3Y"=a1X+a2X'+a3X"
This formula is rather useless really, you migth get more interesting
results out of
b1Y+b2Y'+b3Y"=a1X+A2X'+a3X"
and apply the LaPlace transform to it. You will need to do a touch of
z-transform due to the sampling properties involved.
HM> Use one of the usual methods (Runge-Kutta etc.) to solve this. I
HM> would imagine you could obtain as good of an approximation of an
HM> analog filter as you could get with a sample of an analog filter. Of
HM> course it would be numerically intensive but possibly useful for
HM> rendering. My problem has been coming up with a decent differentiable
HM> function X for approximating a sawtooth, square, etc. I'm considering
HM> splines or sums of sine/cosine.
I would do some educated guessing instead. There isn't too much poles
and zeros involved in the simple filters I have seen so far, and you
really would like to know whats happening take a peek into the
sources.
I must admitt I haven't follwed all the twists of this thread but I
have gotten the feeling that it is the filters in csound being discussed.
HM> I'm in the process of doing some more work with filters and have
HM> been having some success with getting a more analog sound by
HM> "enveloping" the resonance so it doesn't jump up so suddenly.
One of the real reasons that digital/sample base filter fail in making
near emulation is that the sampling frequency creep to close the work
area. If one would let the sampling frequency become very much larger
things would become more and more closer, but this cost hardware and
money.
Digital stuff can do a lot of neat stuff, but you can't get at the
same marks as analog filters, just more or less close. It's just isn't
the same stuff theoretically. Similar, but not the same.
PS. Hans, you type very long lines there, use enter a little more
often or have your emailer insert them for you.
Cheers,
Magnus
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From: Magnus Danielson
Subject: Impulse measurements
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>>>>> "gm" == gREG mCcOURT writes:
gm> Regarding impulse responses for use with convolve:
gm> Q.1 What is the best source for an impulse signal when taking
gm> the impulse response of:
gm> a) An electronic device (like a reverb unit, etc)?
gm> b) An natural acoustic space (like a cave, concert hall,
gm> etc)?
The MLSSA system uses an MLS (Maximum Length Sequence) as a source of
signal. The great thing about this signal is that you can get long
sequences of relatively random but allways present changes and that
when doing correlation with the incoming signal you have reduced the
multiplication part into a simple sign change since the MLS signal is
a digital signal.
I have used this system to measure both electrical systems, speakers,
PA rigs as well as troubled halls and arenas. Once you got the impulse
response you may cut out the room reflexes and by this create a
simulated dead room, which is usefull for speaker tests.
There are some pretty good AES articles about it.
gm> Q.2 If an impulse signal x[n] is put into a system (electronic
gm> device or natural acoustic space) and the measured (recorded)
gm> output y[n] is the convolution of the impulse x[n] with the
gm> response of the system, then doesn't y[n] contain the spectral
gm> elements of the initial impulse x[n] as well? Wouldn't another
gm> signal p[n] when convolved with the y[n] impulse response also be
gm> indirectly convolved with the initial impulse signal x[n]?
gm> If this is so, wouldn't the resulting impulse response measurment
gm> need some kind of de-convolution in order to seperate out the
gm> excitation signal from the true impulse response of the system,
gm> the later being what is kept and used to convolve other signals
gm> with?
gm> I am looking at some theory lit. on homomorphic filters for
gm> cepstrum analysis and deconvolution and the above thoughts
gm> occured to me. There is an example of application to vocal
gm> sounds where homomorphic processing is used to seperate out the
gm> vocal cord excitation signal from the impulse response of the
gm> vocal tract. Isn't this the same situation as the one above?
gm> Anyone have any enlightning comments?
When you measure an system with an signal x[n] and get y[n] as output
you then correlate this into h[n]. In this process you remove the
properties of x[n] and get the impulse response of the measure
system. If a extra signal (say hum) gets into y[n] as well then this
will not correlate with the x[n] signal and it's effect may be reduced
by a longer sequence of x[n] and y[n] (assuming that x[n] does not
have a common frequence with the extra signal in y[n]).
Cheers,
Magnus
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You can find the file at
http://www.dingy.demon.co.uk/
The file is 3.9Mb and is called VISORC.ZIP
also at the site
CSOUND.EXE (Gabriel Maldonado's executable only)
README.DOC (Installation and Beta testing notes, please read)
thanks. If you have any problems let me know
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From: Micheal Allen Thompson
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Well, I guess all that talk about synthesis using CommonMusic on the mac is wrong. I though the newest
version has some very good synthesis stuff... even real-time- although simple stuff.
On the SGI note...
Anyway to bring back the machine if the Graphical interface subsystem crashes an you don't have a
terminal window open? Has happened twice to me in 2 weeks....
I had planned on getting an SGI on my own a few months ago. The price for the
machines are high but
not bad for a low end O2 and even better if you can find a used Indy. The problem is:
1. OS upgrades are way expensive!!!!! I cant afford to pay that much for upgrades.
2. Irix doesn't come with a compiler, not even gcc so you have to find a 5.3 binary of gcc and try to
get the newest version compiled. Last I looked 64-bit stuff was not in gcc, I maybe wrong.
3. the Irix development is expensive as well. Extremely expensive if you are not part of a university
or company.
4. all in all SGI's are nice and fast but not a reality for me, do to the cost of keeping them
current and running... another story....
5. lets see.... you have to get a CD-ROM too. Oh, there is only one kind that is compatible with the
hardware... maybe 2 but SGI cant tell which one. You will have to surf for info (which I found). The
CD-ROM's are way over priced for 4x speed!!!!! the O2 comes with one!!! Indy didn't....
6. If you like XWindows(which I do) then SGI is nice. But, it is very Mac like! and I like Mac's too
so Thats a good thing to me... . It has some strange ways of doing things as well.....
7. 32 mb of ram will run an SGI.... you really need more ram than this!!!!
As far as Linux... I have been running it off and on for a few years. Its pretty good. I think I like
freeBSD better but Linux has more software ported to it. But its the Intel problem that keeps my away
from using this OS. Cheap hardware on PC's and the fact that they break so easily. Oh, well in all the
software I have used, which probably isn't all that much, I still cant find a mixing program better
than ProTools and Csound runs very well on MacOS thanks to the Mills people. So, Thats my scoop on the
hardware.
Michael
On Tue, 20 May 1997 22:32:44 -0700 Tobias Kunze
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>
> | the Mac version of CommonMusic is the most complete
> | implementation around!
>
> sorry for catching up with email one at a time ...
>
> It depends. MCL is the LISP environment that is probably
> integrated best with the OS. Which, of course, is the downside :)
> If you are willing to put up with the Mac's idiosyncracies
> and if you don't really depend on sound synthesis, it is a
> very good choice.
>
> There is also Franz's Allegro Common Lisp, running on UNIX
> boxes--not as OS-dependent as MCL, but in certain areas clealy
> of more strength, albeit expensive. They offer a *free* (!!)
> LINUX version, though, so if you're more into sound processing,
> whether csound or cmusic of cmix or clm, get a LINUX box. If
> you have some cash to spare, though, an SGI will make you happier.
>
> -Tobias
>
>
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> Tobias Kunze t@kunze.stanford.edu
> CCRMA, Stanford University http://www.stanford.edu/~tkunze
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On Wed, 21 May 1997, Micheal Allen Thompson wrote:
>
> As far as Linux... I have been running it off and on for a few years. Its pretty good. I think I like
> freeBSD better but Linux has more software ported to it. But its the Intel problem that keeps my away
> from using this OS. Cheap hardware on PC's and the fact that they break so easily. Oh, well in all the
Doesn't Linux work on other processors as well, though?
Larry
-- Larry Troxler -- lt@westnet.com -- Patterson, NY USA --
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Dear friends,
just uploaded the new version of Midi2Cs
to ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk/incoming and my Web-site.
DOS 16 bit - m2c09516.zip
DOS 32 bit - m2c09532.zip
Linux - m2c095.linux.gz
Sun - m2c095.linux.gz
Additional information at
http://www.snafu.de/~rubo/songlab/midi2cs
Am in holidays for two weeks now ;)
Enjoy
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| Anyway to bring back the machine if the Graphical interface
| subsystem crashes an you don't have a terminal window open?
| Has happened twice to me in 2 weeks....
is X stuck or only Motif? if Motif (i.e., a popup menu is hanging
somewhere), hitting ESC helps. If it's X (*very* rare on my machine),
then the "Vulcan Death Grip" (left Ctrl, left Shift, Keypad /, F12, all
held down together) kills the X process. Of course you loose whatever
hasn't been saved in apps. But there is something wrong in your
system config if it happens more often.
| 1. OS upgrades are way expensive!!!!! I cant afford to pay
| that much for upgrades.
yes. They are ridiculously expensive for non-academics and it's
something they really have to work on. It's ridiculously cheap,
on the other hand, if you get their varsity support program. here
at stanford, it's $150 a year, and includes ALL software support
for free. But that's Stanford again, that charges here. I've heard
of programs that are even cheaper (~$500) for lifetime support.
In general, though, my experience is that SGI's salesforce can be
*easily* persuaded to grant varsity status if you are only remotely
related to a varsity institution. Try it. It's worth it.
| 2. Irix doesn't come with a compiler, not even gcc so you
| have to find a 5.3 binary of gcc and try to get the newest
| version compiled. Last I looked 64-bit stuff was not in
| gcc, I maybe wrong.
No unix box does as far as I know, at least not DEC's and Sun's.
but that's a SGI FAQ. the 6.2 release (or 6.3?) however comes
with enough headers to build gcc (again, look in the FAQ's to
make sure). Again, you get all compilers for free if you are
in the varisty program.
| 5. lets see.... you have to get a CD-ROM too. Oh, there is
| only one kind that is compatible with the hardware... maybe
| 2 but SGI cant tell which one. You will have to surf for
| info (which I found). The CD-ROM's are way over priced for
| 4x speed!!!!! the O2 comes with one!!! Indy didn't....
there is only on kind of CD-ROMs if you want the Audio-over-SCSI
feature supported. if not, almost any cdrom works. same for DAT's.
The info which models they are is public knowledge on the newsgroups.
But it's worth to master your own DAT on the machine!
--
______________________________________________________________________
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On Tue, 20 May 1997, Charles Baker wrote:
>
> I, too, was a loyal user of score11 (which of course, was a port of
> Leland smith's original SCORE program). I still miss some familiar
As a current user of both CSound (on LINUX as well as MS
platforms) and the latest version of Leland Smith's SCORE, I am intrigued
by this statement. I have seen in various texts that SCORE was at one
time a preprocessor for CSound-type programs, but the statement is never
elaborated upon. Could anyone shed some light on how SCORE can be used as
a CSound pre-processor? Are there programs that convert SCORE files into
CSound score files? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Jon Southwood
jdsouth@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu
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J. Southwood wrote:
> As a current user of both CSound (on LINUX as well as MS
> platforms) and the latest version of Leland Smith's SCORE, I am intrigued
> by this statement. I have seen in various texts that SCORE was at one
> time a preprocessor for CSound-type programs, but the statement is never
> elaborated upon. Could anyone shed some light on how SCORE can be used as
> a CSound pre-processor? Are there programs that convert SCORE files into
> CSound score files? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Score-11 is a note-list preprocessor for Csound. It has an input syntax
similar to Score. It was written in the early 80's by Aleck Brinkman
at Eastman. As far as I know, there are version for NeXT and Irix
(SGI)...
maybe more. I use it every day to generate scores. If you're
interested
in picking up a copy, you'd probably want to contact the author at
aleck@esm.rochester.edu. I'm not sure if he reads this list or not.
Regards,
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It's a little bit of a reach but there is a program which turns a
SCORE file into a Standard MIDI file (Score2Midi, I think). Then the Midi
file could be turned into csound score. However, this is sure to cause
more headache than its worth, due to the time it would take to tweak all
of the translation mistakes in both processes.
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> DOS 16 bit - m2c09516.zip
> DOS 32 bit - m2c09532.zip
> Linux - m2c095.linux.gz
Sun - m2c095.sun.gz !!!
Sorry
Ruediger Borrmann
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On Wed, 21 May 1997, Tobias Kunze wrote:
> | have to find a 5.3 binary of gcc and try to get the newest
> | version compiled. Last I looked 64-bit stuff was not in
> | gcc, I maybe wrong.
>
> No unix box does as far as I know, at least not DEC's and Sun's.
> but that's a SGI FAQ. the 6.2 release (or 6.3?) however comes
> with enough headers to build gcc (again, look in the FAQ's to
> make sure).
>
No, v.6.2 didn't come with enough headers to build gcc.. -- Don't know
about 6.3 or others.. (also -- NeXTStep comes with c compilers, as did the
NeXTmachines of old, if I recall correctly...)
Elainie Lillios
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Magnus Danielson writes:
> This formula is rather useless really, you migth get more interesting
> results out of
>
> b1Y+b2Y'+b3Y"=a1X+A2X'+a3X"
Ooops. Yes since the frequency response of the other = 1. Actually I meant
the more general:
b1Y+b2Y'+b3Y"+...=a1X+a2X'+a3X"+...
> and apply the LaPlace transform to it. You will need to do a touch of
> z-transform due to the sampling properties involved.
> I must admitt I haven't follwed all the twists of this thread but I
> have gotten the feeling that it is the filters in csound being discussed.
Well yes, I took a tangent and started talking about some filters I am
working on in Csound, but not the built in filters.
>
> HM> I'm in the process of doing some more work with filters and have
> HM> been having some success with getting a more analog sound by
> HM> "enveloping" the resonance so it doesn't jump up so suddenly.
>
> One of the real reasons that digital/sample base filter fail in making
> near emulation is that the sampling frequency creep to close the work
> area. If one would let the sampling frequency become very much larger
> things would become more and more closer, but this cost hardware and
> money.
This was the point I was trying to address by "solving" the filter equation
numerically. You could do the same thing by using a really big sample rate
but that would be even more numerically intensive and would not have checks
built in to make sure it was as close as you wanted it. By solving the diff.
eq. you could specify to make it as close as the 16 bit resolution of the
output and fit in the sample rate so it should be indistinguishable from a
sample of a continuous filter. Since I'm mainly doing rendering not
real-time the cost is not so bad.
> Digital stuff can do a lot of neat stuff, but you can't get at the
> same marks as analog filters, just more or less close. It's just isn't
> the same stuff theoretically. Similar, but not the same.
Analog filters also are only an approximation of the filter differential
equation of course.
> PS. Hans, you type very long lines there, use enter a little more
> often or have your emailer insert them for you.
I'm still getting used to a new mail program. I checked the box that says
force hard returns now so hopefully this will come through OK.
| | | \ | / Hans P. Mikelson
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>>>>> "HM" == Hans Mikelson writes:
HM> Magnus Danielson writes:
>> This formula is rather useless really, you migth get more interesting
>> results out of
>>
>> b1Y+b2Y'+b3Y"=a1X+A2X'+a3X"
HM> Ooops. Yes since the frequency response of the other = 1. Actually I meant
HM> the more general:
HM> b1Y+b2Y'+b3Y"+...=a1X+a2X'+a3X"+...
Yes, I assumed you meant to expand it further... and we all type too
fast from times to times ;)
>> and apply the LaPlace transform to it. You will need to do a touch of
>> z-transform due to the sampling properties involved.
>> I must admitt I haven't follwed all the twists of this thread but I
>> have gotten the feeling that it is the filters in csound being discussed.
HM> Well yes, I took a tangent and started talking about some filters I am
HM> working on in Csound, but not the built in filters.
The two filter curves that I saw earlier in the thread where quite
simple cases of pole and zero positioning and I had a long reply
comming up with z-plane plots in ASCII but I droped it in /dev/null
instead.
>>
HM> I'm in the process of doing some more work with filters and have
HM> been having some success with getting a more analog sound by
HM> "enveloping" the resonance so it doesn't jump up so suddenly.
>>
>> One of the real reasons that digital/sample base filter fail in making
>> near emulation is that the sampling frequency creep to close the work
>> area. If one would let the sampling frequency become very much larger
>> things would become more and more closer, but this cost hardware and
>> money.
HM> This was the point I was trying to address by "solving" the filter equation
HM> numerically. You could do the same thing by using a really big sample rate
HM> but that would be even more numerically intensive and would not have checks
HM> built in to make sure it was as close as you wanted it. By solving the diff.
HM> eq. you could specify to make it as close as the 16 bit resolution of the
HM> output and fit in the sample rate so it should be indistinguishable from a
HM> sample of a continuous filter. Since I'm mainly doing rendering not
HM> real-time the cost is not so bad.
Have you looked in some decent filter books? I can recommend a few of
them if you are intereted.
There has been extensive work on mapping analog filters into the
digital domain and there is several methods to use with diffrent
artifacts. Still having these fine methods I argue that the
samplingrate is far to small for either of these methods to preform as
well as they need. The basic problem is really that the frequency
curve follows a diffrent geometry in a sampled based system compared
to a continous system. By increasing the samplingrate will they become
closer and closer to each other in properties for a limited frequency
range.
st
The mapping is z=e which will bend the jw axis into an circle.
>> Digital stuff can do a lot of neat stuff, but you can't get at the
>> same marks as analog filters, just more or less close. It's just isn't
>> the same stuff theoretically. Similar, but not the same.
HM> Analog filters also are only an approximation of the filter differential
HM> equation of course.
Sure, but analog filters will approximate continous systems better
than a sampled system may for contious signals. There is limits on
what you may do with analog systems thougth, component values may
become critical and all that, but it is a continous system.
Hey, I'm not in here for an analog vs. digital debate, I just want to
point out where digital systems fail to be true to analog systems.
>> PS. Hans, you type very long lines there, use enter a little more
>> often or have your emailer insert them for you.
HM> I'm still getting used to a new mail program. I checked the box that says
HM> force hard returns now so hopefully this will come through OK.
That's it! Now I don't need to hand-reedit your text when I quote you ;)
Cheers,
Magnus
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| No, v.6.2 didn't come with enough headers to build gcc.. --
| Don't know about 6.3 or others.. (also -- NeXTStep comes
| with c compilers, as did the NeXTmachines of old, if I
| recall correctly...)
right. if you consider nextstep a unix box... to me it surely
feels like a mac. ;) yes, next ships with gcc, extended by objective c.
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A big "Yo" to all:
As the subject line should make clear, I am both new to the list and new to
The Wonderful World of Csound (Ob.version reference:Csoundppc 0.3.1 on
PowerMac 7200/75), new to the tune of 2-3 weeks. Reason for throwing myself
into Csound: Make weird noises (imagine) w/o unknown-to-me
hardware/software designers telling me how to make them. Not having to buy
more instruments is a plus too. Reason for wanting to make weird noises:
Make music influenced by, oh, Flying Saucer Attack, Roger Reynolds, My
Bloody Valentine, George Crumb, Wire, Bill Laswell etc., Amp,
Byzar....Method of making said noises/music I'm most interested in:
Granular synthesis. Which brings me to...
Newbie Question #1: Granular synthesis in "musical" applications. I've got
the buzz/drone/grind/rushing water types of sounds down quite well, now I
want ones that can, say. be used to play recognizable chords with. Using
GEN 10 etc. derived waveforms works well, but when I use sampled sounds I
generally get bizarro clangorous noise (not that that's a bad thing; what
used to be a guitar and now sounds like massive out-of-tune bells has a
starring role in a piece). I've tried snipping out small bits of the sample
and pasting it to a reversed/inverted version of itself to produce a
symmetrical wave, as well as fiddling with various settings+ratios for
grain length, density, etc. but have had only partial success. If someone
could give me tips on how to get the more musical sounds, as well as basic
hints, neat things to do etc. concerning granular synth. in general, that
would be greatly appreciated.
Low level life-insurance worker by day
Sound hacker by night
Robert Tichacek
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To: Larry Troxler
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Charles Baker , mogambo@real.net.au
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Well, yes... but.... no sound on the mkLinux yet so music is not yet
ready for mklinux. It is not as stable as on the PC's. X11 is crash
prone. it is getting better though.
Michael
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Larry Troxler
wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 1997, Micheal Allen Thompson wrote:
> >
> > As far as Linux... I have been running it off and on for a few years. Its pretty good. I think I like
> > freeBSD better but Linux has more software ported to it. But its the Intel problem that keeps my away
> > from using this OS. Cheap hardware on PC's and the fact that they break so easily. Oh, well in all the
>
> Doesn't Linux work on other processors as well, though?
>
> Larry
>
>
> -- Larry Troxler -- lt@westnet.com -- Patterson, NY USA --
>
>
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From: Micheal Allen Thompson
To: t@ulysses.stanford.edu
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Subject: Re: Score11 Substitute or Update?
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It seems that it is netscape related... the crashs anyway.
X is stuck..... I see that it happens when I use netscape....
yes, we have been trying to start a deal with SGI on campus. Its a great
machine for universities with money.
About the CD-ROMS... we tried 5 different kinds of drives with no luck
on our Indy. Finally we had to just buy it SGI. Also, we have tried a
few external hard drives with no luck. SGI is trying to figure out what
the problem is. We did get a minimal developer from SGI though... they
are willing to work with the university. I know somebody with a new O2
SGI is good at helping out. But, the price for upgrades is just unreal.
well, I guess an SGI for the home is kind of a strange idea as a student
anyway, but wouldnt it be nice.
Michael
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Tobias Kunze wrote:
>
>
> | Anyway to bring back the machine if the Graphical interface
> | subsystem crashes an you don't have a terminal window open?
> | Has happened twice to me in 2 weeks....
>
> is X stuck or only Motif? if Motif (i.e., a popup menu is hanging
> somewhere), hitting ESC helps. If it's X (*very* rare on my machine),
> then the "Vulcan Death Grip" (left Ctrl, left Shift, Keypad /, F12, all
> held down together) kills the X process. Of course you loose whatever
> hasn't been saved in apps. But there is something wrong in your
> system config if it happens more often.
>
> | 1. OS upgrades are way expensive!!!!! I cant afford to pay
> | that much for upgrades.
>
> yes. They are ridiculously expensive for non-academics and it's
> something they really have to work on. It's ridiculously cheap,
> on the other hand, if you get their varsity support program. here
> at stanford, it's $150 a year, and includes ALL software support
> for free. But that's Stanford again, that charges here. I've heard
> of programs that are even cheaper (~$500) for lifetime support.
>
> In general, though, my experience is that SGI's salesforce can be
> *easily* persuaded to grant varsity status if you are only remotely
> related to a varsity institution. Try it. It's worth it.
>
> | 2. Irix doesn't come with a compiler, not even gcc so you
> | have to find a 5.3 binary of gcc and try to get the newest
> | version compiled. Last I looked 64-bit stuff was not in
> | gcc, I maybe wrong.
>
> No unix box does as far as I know, at least not DEC's and Sun's.
> but that's a SGI FAQ. the 6.2 release (or 6.3?) however comes
> with enough headers to build gcc (again, look in the FAQ's to
> make sure). Again, you get all compilers for free if you are
> in the varisty program.
>
> | 5. lets see.... you have to get a CD-ROM too. Oh, there is
> | only one kind that is compatible with the hardware... maybe
> | 2 but SGI cant tell which one. You will have to surf for
> | info (which I found). The CD-ROM's are way over priced for
> | 4x speed!!!!! the O2 comes with one!!! Indy didn't....
>
> there is only on kind of CD-ROMs if you want the Audio-over-SCSI
> feature supported. if not, almost any cdrom works. same for DAT's.
> The info which models they are is public knowledge on the newsgroups.
> But it's worth to master your own DAT on the machine!
>
>
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Tobias Kunze t@kunze.stanford.edu
> CCRMA, Stanford University http://www.stanford.edu/~tkunze
>
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From: Micheal Allen Thompson
To: Elainie Lillios
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Subject: Re: Score11 Substitute or Update?
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Oh, Linux, mkLinux, freeBSD and MacBSD come with GNU gcc for the free
unix like OS's.
NeXTStep, MachTen, BeOS (small develp only) and netBSD (I think you have
to pay for this one) come with either gcc or as in Be Metrowerks (68k
code segments limitation).
Michael
On Wed, 21 May 1997, Elainie Lillios wrote:
> On Wed, 21 May 1997, Tobias Kunze wrote:
>
> > | have to find a 5.3 binary of gcc and try to get the newest
> > | version compiled. Last I looked 64-bit stuff was not in
> > | gcc, I maybe wrong.
> >
> > No unix box does as far as I know, at least not DEC's and Sun's.
> > but that's a SGI FAQ. the 6.2 release (or 6.3?) however comes
> > with enough headers to build gcc (again, look in the FAQ's to
> > make sure).
> >
> No, v.6.2 didn't come with enough headers to build gcc.. -- Don't know
> about 6.3 or others.. (also -- NeXTStep comes with c compilers, as did the
> NeXTmachines of old, if I recall correctly...)
>
> Elainie Lillios
>
> ********************************************************
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> Center for Experimental Music and Intermedia (CEMI)
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>
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From: Micheal Allen Thompson
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Subject: Re: Score11 Substitute or Update?
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BSD and mach is the core system. the interface is just like Xwindows but
nicer. I think its unix to some degree. But then Linux is a unix clone as
well as most other versions of unix out there. On Wed, 21 May 1997,
Tobias Kunze wrote:
>
> | No, v.6.2 didn't come with enough headers to build gcc.. --
> | Don't know about 6.3 or others.. (also -- NeXTStep comes
> | with c compilers, as did the NeXTmachines of old, if I
> | recall correctly...)
>
> right. if you consider nextstep a unix box... to me it surely
> feels like a mac. ;) yes, next ships with gcc, extended by objective c.
>
> --
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> Tobias Kunze t@kunze.stanford.edu
> CCRMA, Stanford University http://www.stanford.edu/~tkunze
>
>
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From: Peter Neubacker
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Subject: Frequency resolution
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Hello all,
I bumped into a problem concerning the frequency
resolution when dealing with longer wavetables as
looped source: I am using a recorded and looped
sample e.g. of a choir of about 6 seconds length
(ftlen 2**18) and want to change fine tuning over
time. So the phase increment becomes quite small,
and when I let the frequency go down from say
700 cps to 600 cps, I dont get a continuous cps
change, but about 12 steps, which is a frequency
resolution of about 22 cent. I think it is due
to the float precision...
Does anybody know a better solution or workaround?
In the example below I replaced the sample with
a GEN09 table, which has the same properties.
Thank you - Peter Neubaecker
;-------------- restest.orc ------------
sr = 44100
kr = 44100
ksmps = 1
nchnls = 1
instr 1
iocps = 605.62 ; original cps of sample
icps0 = 1 / iocps * 44100 / ftlen(1)
kcps line p5, p3, p6 ; p5 = start cps
kcps1 = kcps * icps0 ; p6 = end cps
asig oscili p4, kcps1, 1
out asig
endin
;-------------- restest.sco ------------
f 1 0 262144 -9 3600 1 0 ; using GEN09
; instead of sample
i 1 0 20 20000 700 600 ; for test purpose
e
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I have added the documentation for FOG and the table opcodes, and it
should be on the servers.
I have a suspicion that there is a very minor problem with fog. If
you get a division by zero contact me for a fix.
==John
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jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote:
>
> Message written at 22 May 1997 08:13:44 +0100
>
> I have added the documentation for FOG and the table opcodes, and it
> should be on the servers.
Great, and thanks a lot as usual!
May I nudge you again over the one remaining missing opcode doc?
- voscili, from 3.44 (or did I miss it?)
cheers,
r
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From: Luca Pavan
Subject: playback sounds with diskin on 3.46 PC version
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I've tried to obtain playback sounds with 3.46 PC version, but I can't do
that with diskin: on my computer it works only with a positive kpitch.
Someone can tell me more about this problem? The file was a 16 bit .wav
mono, but after the synthesis the amplitude output is 0.
Thank you in advance,
Luca Pavan
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