Re: pascal to c?

Date	1998-05-11 12:44
From	Jim Stevenson
Subject	Re: pascal to c?
	Does anyone know of a program to turn pascal code into c? Please answer before you quote this. Thanks. 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To: Jim Stevenson Cc: RWD@cableinet.co.uk, csound@maths.ex.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199805111144.EAA09598@eos.arc.nasa.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk ftp://csvax.cs.caltech.edu/pub/p2c-1.20.tar.Z On Mon, 11 May 1998, Jim Stevenson wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 04:44:37 -0700 > From: Jim Stevenson > To: RWD@cableinet.co.uk, csound@noether.ex.ac.uk > Subject: Re: pascal to c? > > Does anyone know of a program to turn pascal code into c? > > Please answer before you quote this. > > Thanks. > BEZKO ----------------------------------------------------- "[...]for any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole State, and ought to be prohibited." PLATO,("Republica") ----------------------------------------------------- http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~bezkorom/DOST Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02100; 11 May 98 16:37 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24552; 11 May 98 16:37 BST Received: (qmail 14739 invoked from network); 11 May 1998 15:37:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1998 15:37:15 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA26216); Mon, 11 May 1998 16:14:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 98 16:13:25 +0100 Received: from mailhost.infi.net [208.131.167.6] by hermes via ESMTP (QAA19619); Mon, 11 May 1998 16:12:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from pm9-102.gso.infi.net (pm9-102.gso.infi.net [208.142.86.102]) by mailhost.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA07683 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355731BB.1769@hamlet.uncg.edu> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 10:13:31 -0700 From: Art Hunkins Reply-To: abhunkin@hamlet.uncg.edu Organization: UNC-Greensboro X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03Gold (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Csound Digest #379 on 11 May 1998 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi, John and list-- Score11, a score preprocessor which I have used in 3 of my 4 Csound pieces, outputs a line beginning with "c" (for comment) every time it generates a (random) rest note. It does this by outputting a normal looking "i" line and adding a "c" immediately before the "i". Actually, it is simple enough to go through and manually delete all such lines (particularly since "" is also added at line's end) prior to "perfing" the score. I also note that the old "scot" did output lines beginning with "c" as well. Anybody still using this? I imagine that "c" was used back in the days where all new (non-continuation) score lines had to begin with an alpha opcode--and "c" was the dedicated "Comment" opcode. (This was certainly true back in the Music11/Music360 days.) Please let me know what you decide because, as far as Score11 is concerned, I have material going into the Boulanger CD describing Score11 and how to use it with Csound. Right now the material states that "optionally you may delete the comment ("c") lines before perf." This would need to be changed to "you must delete the "rest" lines." I'll look forward to hearing from you as soon as the issue is decided. jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 11 May 98 10:34:45 BST > From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk > Subject: Undocumented facility, anyone use? > To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk > > Message written at 11 May 1998 09:32:43 +0100 > > reading the sources of Csound, a habit I really must break, I noticed > that at least in some cases the character 'c' starts a comment as well > as ';', but I cannot find this in teh documentation. Actually i > wanted to use 'c' for a new facility in the score, (which would make > writing my latest work easier), but then I do not want to destroy > previously running scores. > > Does anyone know about this, or use it? If it has no real existence I > will release my newer score-reader with c meaning something else. > > Advice please. > ==John ffitch > > PS I realise that the [] and changes to \ break some old scores. I > have an untested fix for that here. Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02624; 11 May 98 19:14 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa01836; 11 May 98 19:14 BST Received: (qmail 27969 invoked from network); 11 May 1998 18:14:02 -0000 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.118.20) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1998 18:14:02 -0000 Received: (from jims@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA12052; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:11 -0700 From: Jim Stevenson Message-Id: <199805111812.LAA12052@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk, rasmuse@hem.passagen.se Subject: Re: poscil and backslash Cc: csound@noether.ex.AC.UK Please keep it in. Or is there another pulse generating method? Thanks. Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02691; 11 May 98 19:26 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02309; 11 May 98 19:26 BST Received: (qmail 15970 invoked from network); 11 May 1998 18:26:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1998 18:26:43 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (TAA21543); Mon, 11 May 1998 19:13:04 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 98 19:12:39 +0100 Received: from eos.arc.nasa.gov [128.102.118.20] by hermes via ESMTP (TAA20212); Mon, 11 May 1998 19:12:30 +0100 (BST) Received: (from jims@localhost) by eos.arc.nasa.gov (8.8.4/8.8.4) id LAA12052; Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 11:12:11 -0700 From: Jim Stevenson Message-Id: <199805111812.LAA12052@eos.arc.nasa.gov> To: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk, rasmuse@hem.passagen.se Subject: Re: poscil and backslash Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Please keep it in. Or is there another pulse generating method? Thanks. Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02972; 11 May 98 21:54 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa07945; 11 May 98 21:54 BST Received: (qmail 8412 invoked from network); 11 May 1998 20:54:47 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1998 20:54:47 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (VAA25208); Mon, 11 May 1998 21:51:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 98 21:50:44 +0100 Received: from f153.hotmail.com [207.82.251.32] by hermes via SMTP (VAA04602); Mon, 11 May 1998 21:50:36 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 16047 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1998 20:50:02 -0000 Message-Id: <19980511205002.16046.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.114.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:50:01 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.172.114.109] From: Paul Winkler To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: HTML list archive: I hereby volunteer Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:50:01 PDT Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Dear everyone, I (and presumably others) sorely miss the online HTML archive of this mailing list. It's been missing almost all the messages for quite a while, as of today there's NOTHING in there, and presumable Dave Topper lacks either the time or the resources to fix it. I've downloaded the archived messages from ftp://ftp.musique.umontreal.ca/pub/mirrors/dream/Csound_List_Archive/ ... but it's just not the same. <:) For one thing, I can't browse it easily; for another, the latest chunk of stuff in there seems to be Csound_99 which is sometime in May of 97. I'd be willing to do some of the grunt work to try to put back together the HTML archive, if Dave T. or anyone else is willing to give it a home online. I have a Perl utility called MHonArc which should allow me to automatically HTML-ize the messages and index them by date, thread, and/or author. Here's the next problem: MHonArc is written to sort mailboxes or individual messages in "MH mail folders and UUCP/Unix mailbox files." It won't recognize the files I got from jpff's place which, according to "file", are MMDF mailbox files. MHonArc can't recognize these files. I think I can figure out how to configure it to do so... SO... does anyone by any chance have any/all Csound mailing list messages stored in either mail types? --or-- know of a program which will do the same function for MMDF mailbox files? --or-- convert MMDF files to MH or Unix mailbox files? The last two points may be academic if I can get MHonArc to work with the MMDF format, I think it's just a question of specifying a different message separator type. Anyone with useful info, please send it my way and I'll try to get this thing put back together... Thanks, PW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02986; 11 May 98 22:06 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa08348; 11 May 98 22:05 BST Received: (qmail 16792 invoked from network); 11 May 1998 21:05:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1998 21:05:49 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA15307); Mon, 11 May 1998 22:01:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 98 22:00:54 +0100 Received: from f165.hotmail.com [207.82.251.51] by hermes via SMTP (WAA20607); Mon, 11 May 1998 22:00:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 18268 invoked by uid 0); 11 May 1998 20:59:19 -0000 Message-Id: <19980511205919.18267.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.114.109 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:59:18 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.172.114.109] From: Paul Winkler To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Instrument won't do what I want. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 13:59:18 PDT Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's what looks like an interesting instrument from Charles Dodge's "Computer Music," second edition, p. 186-187. Unfortunately I can't get it to do anything like what it's described as. Any suggestions would be most welcome. (bad ascii art follows) amp peak BW \| BW open&close \| \| \| +------+ \| \| \| rand \| +------+ +------+ \| f1 \| \| \ / \| \__/ +-------+ \| 0->\| filter\|<---+ +-------+ \| \| (output) It says here, "The center frequency is set to 0, thus converting the filter to a low pass. The instrument produces sound only when the bandwidth is sufficiently wide to allow noise in the audio range. The cutoff frequency is changed continuously by the controlling oscillator. The amplitude of the oscillator sets the maximum cutoff frequency, and the frequency of the oscillator determines the rate of interruption of noise. The results fall within a range of sounds described as 'rustling,' 'thumping,' and 'scurrying.'" Sounds cool to me. Here's how I think this is done in csound: ;orchestra ; sr = 44100 (commented by Cecilia) ; kr = 4410 (commented by Cecilia) ; ksmps = 10 (commented by Cecilia) ; nchnls = 1 (commented by Cecilia) instr 1 idb= ampdb(p4) kbw oscil p5, p6, 1 ; set peak freq and rate of filter open/close, use f1 a1 rand idb ; random signal afilt reson a1, 0, kbw ; lopass filter random signal out afilt endin And here's a sample score: f1 0 1024 9 0.5 1 0 ; half-sine ; 2=at 3=dur 4=db 5=peak freq 6=bw rate i1 0 1 10 10000 1 i1 1 . . 100 1 i1 2 . . 10000 40 i1 3 . . 100 40 i1 4 . . 10000 1000 i1 5 . . 100 1000 e I can't seem to come up with any useful values of the various pfields. Either that or something's wrong with my interpretation of the flowchart. The instrument either produces boring non-scurrying noise or it's silent. Notice that I've set p4 to 10 decibels, yet this still produces a few samples out of range. That doesn't seem right. Ideas? thanks for any responses, PW P.S. Here's a simple instrument from the same book that DOES work nicely. Have fun with it. ; sr = 44100 (commented by Cecilia) ; kr = 4410 (commented by Cecilia) ; ksmps = 10 (commented by Cecilia) ; nchnls = 1 (commented by Cecilia) instr 1 ; variably noisy pitched ringmodulator ; by PW based on C. Dodge (2nd ed.) p. 103 ;set up an envelope idur = p3 - p4 -p5 iamp = ampdb (p6) kenv expseg 1, p4, iamp, p5, iamp, idur, 1 ; set up note freq & noise bandwidth ipit=cpspch(p8) ibw = .01 * p7 * ipit; p7 sets noise bandwidth as percent of ipitch ;feed amplitude kenv into a random number generator amp randi kenv, ibw ; random number modulates amp. of oscillator aout oscil amp, ipit, 1 ; use table 1 out aout endin ;sample score by PW f1 0 512 10 1; sine t 0 30 ;p2=time 3=dur 4=atck 5=sus 6=dB 7=bw% 8=pch i1 0 1.3 .1 0.001 76 10 7.00 i1 1 .5 .05 . 79 12 7.02 i1 1.5 .7 .02 .1 81 8 7.03 i1 1.9 .8 .2 0.001 83 7 6.09 i1 2.6 1 .01 . 66 10 8.09 i1 3.2 1.8 .005 . 73 15 8.10 i1 4 5 .005 .1 78 30 8.07 i1 6 5 1 1 90 80 5.06 i1 8.3 .5 .3 0.001 60 10 10.09 i1 7.4 5 1.5 2 37 60 11.05 i1 7.8 7 1 2.5 33 60 11.08 e ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03062; 11 May 98 22:44 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa09624; 11 May 98 22:44 BST Received: (qmail 11088 invoked from network); 11 May 1998 21:44:35 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 11 May 1998 21:44:35 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA09347); Mon, 11 May 1998 22:41:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 98 22:40:49 +0100 Received: from Thuban.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.53.8] (may be forged) by hermes via ESMTP (WAA15273); Mon, 11 May 1998 22:40:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from [134.173.38.61] (Spjut.Eng.HMC.Edu) by THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU (PMDF V5.1-7 #28820) with ESMTP id <01IWWSSSUSOU8X1DMU@THUBAN.AC.HMC.EDU> for csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:40:46 PST Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:42:23 -0700 From: Erik Spjut Subject: Re: Instrument won't do what I want. In-Reply-To: <19980511205919.18267.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Sender: spjut@thuban.ac.hmc.edu To: Paul Winkler , csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk At 1:59 PM -0700 5/11/98, Paul Winkler wrote: >Here's what looks like an interesting instrument from Charles Dodge's >"Computer Music," second edition, p. 186-187. Unfortunately I can't get >it to do anything like what it's described as. Any suggestions would be >most welcome. Try the following: ;orchestra sr = 44100 kr = 44100 ksmps = 1 nchnls = 1 instr 1 idb= ampdb(p4) kbw oscil p5, p6, 1 ;set peak freq and rate of filter open/close, use f1 a1 rand idb ; random signal afilt reson a1, 0, kbw,1 ; lopass filter random signal out afilt endin f1 0 1024 9 0.5 1 0 ; half-sine ; 2=at 3=dur 4=db 5=peak freq 6=bw rate i1 0 1 60 10000 1 i1 1 . . 500 1 i1 2 . . 10000 5 i1 3 . . 500 5 i1 4 . . 10000 20 i1 5 . . 500 20 I set the iscl variable in reson to 1 instead of 0. With iscl the filter gain doesnt change with bandwidth, and you can use a more realistic dB value. Also kr=sr usually works better. I also changed the 100 Hz to 500 Hz (It's hard to hear just the bass). I also slowed the rates from 40 and 1000 to 5 and 20. Enjoy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik Spjut (rhymes with cute) - Acting Director,The Center for Design Education and/or Associate Professor of Engineering Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 USA Erik_Spjut@hmc.edu Ph & Voice mail (909) 607-3890 Fax (909) 621-8967 Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03362; 12 May 98 1:01 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa15009; 12 May 98 1:01 BST Received: (qmail 17585 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 00:01:42 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 00:01:42 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA03225); Tue, 12 May 1998 00:58:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 00:58:06 +0100 Received: from howl.werewolf.net [206.103.224.20] by hermes via SMTP (AAA26923); Tue, 12 May 1998 00:57:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from hljmm by howl.werewolf.net via SMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) for id SAA07437; Mon, 11 May 1998 18:58:02 -0500 From: Hans Mikelson To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk MMDF-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at UK.AC.Bath.maths.stork Subject: Re: Csound Digest #379 on 11 May 1998 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:58:55 -0500 Message-Id: <01bd7d38$c1573380$5de167ce@hljmm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >I imagine that "c" was used back in the days where all new Hmmm sounds suspiciously like FORTRAN... Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03409; 12 May 98 1:35 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa16159; 12 May 98 1:34 BST Received: (qmail 19452 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 00:34:52 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 00:34:52 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA20082); Tue, 12 May 1998 01:31:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 01:30:55 +0100 Received: from rcsreg.rcsreg.com [198.176.199.30] by hermes via SMTP (BAA21660); Tue, 12 May 1998 01:30:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from port079.vta.fishnet.net (port079.vta.fishnet.net [205.216.133.228]) by rcsreg.com (NTMail 3.02.12) with ESMTP id na005187 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 17:28:51 +0100 Message-Id: <35579859.B5211AB4@rcsreg.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:31:21 -0700 From: Toby Organization: Other than 12-tone X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.91 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Csound Mailing List Subject: Space opcode in 3.48? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk V3.48 notes describe space opcode. My version 3.48 for Linux never heard of it. Is it really out there? Thanks Toby --zder autu a+ !$- la-- Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03537; 12 May 98 2:37 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa18462; 12 May 98 2:37 BST Received: (qmail 21236 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 01:37:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 01:37:16 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (CAA04265); Tue, 12 May 1998 02:34:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 02:34:17 +0100 Received: from GS160.SP.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.203.172] by hermes via SMTP (CAA28002); Tue, 12 May 1998 02:34:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199805120134.CAA28002@hermes> Subject: Re: hYdra name To: Csound mailing list Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Eli Brandt In-Reply-To: <01bd7adb$53112160$37e167ce@hljmm> from "Hans Mikelson" at May 8, 98 06:45:04 pm X-Portmanteau: pantryptaminergeticallysisterrainbowtie Reply-To: eli+@cs.cmu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25-40] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hans Mikelson wrote: > Likewise you could manufacture a Moog automobile without violating trademark > restrictions. If you picked this example without having heard of Moog Automotive, I tip my hat to you. :-) -- Eli Brandt \| eli+@cs.cmu.edu \| http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/ Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03624; 12 May 98 3:05 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa23395; 12 May 98 3:05 BST Received: (qmail 18393 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 02:05:08 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 02:05:08 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA21912); Tue, 12 May 1998 03:02:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 03:01:47 +0100 Received: from root@smtp2.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.30.82] by hermes via ESMTP (DAA09301); Tue, 12 May 1998 03:01:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from [140.247.47.130] (nas7-30.fas.harvard.edu [140.247.47.130]) by smtp2.fas.harvard.edu with ESMTP id WAA08383; Mon, 11 May 1998 22:01:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: starrett@pop.fas.harvard.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <19980511205919.18267.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 22:06:13 -0400 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk From: Charles Starrett Subject: Ethnography of Csound Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello fellow Csounders! I am a second-year graduate student in Ethnomusicology at who is particularly interested (as a performer, composer as well as scholar) in Music Technology. For a seminar in "The Transmission of Musical Tradition" this semester I am doing a term project on CSound. Although I began by looking at Csound as the latest stage in a generation of Computer Music Composition--tracing its heritage back through the Music "N" series to Max Mathews at Bell Labs, I am now trying to look at other issues of "transmission" which surround Csound. I am particularly interested in how CSound as a tool relates to the transmissions of attitudes aesthetics and compositional style. (I'm sure there are interesting issues related to the influence of attitudes on CSound and perhaps vice-versa as well!) Most of my colleagues are studying "World Music" topics, but I have always had a great interest in electronic and computer composition. I have chosen CSound for my project mostly because I am already familiar with it through my attempts to compose with it (and I am making headway, albeit slowly) and because I have been on the Csound mailing list for over a year now. Anything you could share of your own experience with Csound and its predecessors would be great help to me in my project! Some examples might be: As a student As a teacher As a composer As a researcher/engineer From a technical perspective From an artistic perspective Csound as a continuation of the past Csound as a continuation into the future Compare/Contrast with Music III/IV/V/360/11/ Compare/Contrast with Cmusic, CLM, etc... I am particularly interested in issues pertaining to MUSIC and the TRANSMISSION of MUSICAL TRADITION through Csound (and Music 11, Music 360, etc.)... ...but, as I said, anything would be helpful! It may be best if you email me directly at: starrett@fas.harvard.edu Thank you in advance for your help. Although the paper is due soon, I hope to have an expanded and revised copy up on the web by the end of the summer. To that end, please be sure to tell me if you would prefer to be referred to by a pseudonym. Thanks again! ~~Charles /----Charles D. Starrett-----\ "I do not feel that \| / \| ____ \| \| ____ \| my research suffered unduly \| /\--\| \| \|-\| \| \| from the fact that I enjoyed it." \| / \ \| \|____\| \| \|___ \| \| \| \| \| ___\|___ \| --Daniel Miller, \--starrett@fas.harvard.edu--/ Modernity--an Ethnographic Approach Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03709; 12 May 98 3:37 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa24605; 12 May 98 3:37 BST Received: (qmail 22912 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 02:37:33 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (DAA18721); Tue, 12 May 1998 03:33:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 03:33:27 +0100 Received: from rcsreg.rcsreg.com [198.176.199.30] by hermes via SMTP (DAA15471); Tue, 12 May 1998 03:33:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from port088.vta.fishnet.net (port088.vta.fishnet.net [205.216.133.237]) by rcsreg.com (NTMail 3.02.12) with ESMTP id ra005191 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 19:31:20 +0100 Message-Id: <3557B50F.1FD4543C@rcsreg.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:33:51 -0700 From: Toby Organization: Other than 12-tone X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.91 i586) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Fat_Boy Cc: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: balancing samples References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk First, you need to make sure that your loop points are chosen correctly. I recommend DAP for Linux to accomplish this. Second, you might try using the loop mode that traverses the looped section back and forth rather than repeating in the same direction. This lessens the effect of the starting and ending amplitude of the loop section being different. Third, are you sure that you need to loop? It is the achilles' heal of sampling. If your computer has the resources, just load obscenely large samples into memory and play them straight. After all, this is CSOUND! Let's say you had a piano that you wanted to sample Generous parameters might be: 44100Hz S/R Sample every fourth key each sampled for 10 seconds So you need (88 / 4) * 88200 * 10 = 19,404,000 Bytes of RAM available for that sample. This is reasonable on a recent computer. And of course, the higher notes really only need half of the length, if that. By the way, I have been meaning to ask this: The DAP editor will allow loop point modification, but seems to be incapable of manipulating the recorded base frequency in the sound file header, save the action of nullifying any existing value to middle C. Does anyone know of a method for altering this value directly with some utility? Along that line, what is the most recent doc on the AIFF format? Any that I have had to date have always had DRAFT printed conspicuously at the top. Toby -There otta be a law- Fat_Boy wrote: > > hi, > > i was wondering if someone out there could help me with sampling on > csound, in particular, making loops a little smoother using loscil. say i > have a recorded piano sample, and take a 2s portion from 4s to 6s, when > the sound has already decayed somewhat, and is now not dying especially > rapidly. i want to use this as a looped sample, but the slight decay it > has emphasizes the looping points. is there a quick and easy way, to get > the 2s portion evened out? should this make the loop smoother? i can apply > an amplitude gain envelope (using cooledit), of course, but this is a > rough solution. can balance be used for this? or someth!ng else? > > tia, > > f_b Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa03893; 12 May 98 5:31 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa28513; 12 May 98 5:30 BST Received: (qmail 19068 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 04:30:51 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 04:30:51 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (FAA01502); Tue, 12 May 1998 05:27:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 05:27:23 +0100 Received: from dry3.jps.net [208.25.63.31] by hermes via ESMTP (FAA27178); Tue, 12 May 1998 05:27:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from locarnini (istk-port848.jps.net [208.25.57.132]) by dry3.jps.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA18929 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 21:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <001301bd7d5e$19e24920$843919d0@locarnini> Reply-To: Ken Locarnini From: Ken Locarnini To: CSound Mailing List Subject: 400 Mhz P 2's Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:26:08 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Here's a little audio info on the new P 2's: http://www.harmony-central.com/Computer/Articles/Benchmark/ Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04219; 12 May 98 9:06 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06176; 12 May 98 9:05 BST Received: (qmail 3745 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 08:05:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 08:05:54 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA14735); Tue, 12 May 1998 09:00:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 09:00:27 +0100 Received: from f159.hotmail.com [207.82.251.38] by hermes via SMTP (JAA17798); Tue, 12 May 1998 09:00:18 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 19088 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1998 07:59:43 -0000 Message-Id: <19980512075943.19087.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.192.159 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 00:59:43 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.172.192.159] From: Paul Winkler To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Instrument won't do what I want. Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 00:59:43 PDT Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thanks for the tips, Eric, I hadn't noticed the iscl option. Your changes got some more sound out of it... it's a good starting point at least. Playing with the f1 shape and varying various p-fields over time should get some more interesting results. I'm curious to see the score for Dodge's CASCANDO to see what he actually did with this thing, and/or hear a recording of the piece. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04250; 12 May 98 9:20 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06800; 12 May 98 9:20 BST Received: (qmail 4940 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 08:20:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 08:20:14 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (JAA15925); Tue, 12 May 1998 09:14:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 09:13:38 +0100 Received: from f151.hotmail.com [207.82.251.30] by hermes via SMTP (JAA00163); Tue, 12 May 1998 09:13:31 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 8425 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 1998 08:12:47 -0000 Message-Id: <19980512081247.8424.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.172.192.159 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 May 1998 01:12:47 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [207.172.192.159] From: Paul Winkler To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: HTML csound mailing list archive Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:12:47 PDT Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Success! I now have managed to create an HTML archive of this mailing list, indexed by date, by thread, and by author, consisting of 252 messages from February to May 1997. I just noticed there's a lot more mailbox files on the pub/dream ftp archive that I didn't get last time I was there... that should go a good step towards completing the archive. Now all we need is someone to give these files a home on the web! Any volunteers? Dave T., are you still with us? best, PW ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04877; 12 May 98 11:42 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa14038; 12 May 98 11:42 BST Received: (qmail 1945 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 10:42:36 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 10:42:36 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA19197); Tue, 12 May 1998 11:23:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 11:22:29 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via SMTP (LAA11299); Tue, 12 May 1998 11:22:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from omphalos.maths.bath.ac.uk (maths.Bath.AC.UK) [138.38.99.25] (mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yZCCV-0001fn-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:22:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 May 98 11:22:31 BST From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hi... I'm back... To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Message written at 11 May 1998 21:21:26 +0100 --- Copy of mail to psotuyo@equipenet.com.br --- In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19980507200718.00726de8@pop3.equipenet.com.br> (psotuyo@equipenet.com.br) References: <1.5.4.32.19980507200718.00726de8@pop3.equipenet.com.br> If you look at ftp.maths.bath.ac.uk in pub/dream/Csound_Archive/ you will find all the mail ... may be a few days behind but i will fix that. The format is gziped and raw mail. ==John ffitch Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05034; 12 May 98 12:11 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa15351; 12 May 98 12:11 BST Received: (qmail 2174 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 11:11:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 11:11:39 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (LAA01992); Tue, 12 May 1998 11:48:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 11:47:35 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via SMTP (LAA23079); Tue, 12 May 1998 11:47:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from omphalos.maths.bath.ac.uk (maths.Bath.AC.UK) [138.38.99.25] (mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yZCap-0001id-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 11:47:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 May 98 11:47:38 BST From: J P Fitch To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hi... I'm back... Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Sory; location is pub/dream/Csound_List_Archive and it is now uptodate ==John Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05136; 12 May 98 12:40 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa16837; 12 May 98 12:40 BST Received: (qmail 2462 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 11:40:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 11:40:17 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA06828); Tue, 12 May 1998 12:26:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 12:25:36 +0100 Received: from exim@wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk [138.38.100.104] by hermes via SMTP (MAA12822); Tue, 12 May 1998 12:25:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from omphalos.maths.bath.ac.uk (maths.Bath.AC.UK) [138.38.99.25] (mmdf) by wallace.maths.bath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #1) id 0yZDBT-0001lZ-00; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:25:23 +0100 From: jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Undocumented c in score Date: Tue, 12 May 98 12:25:30 BST Source-Info: From (or Sender) name not authenticated. Message-Id: Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Clearly from the mail I have received the c is still in use, so I recant from my interest in recycling it. I think it might be a good idea to document it though. I have grabbed b for my use at present, and what is more, it works.... ==John Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05152; 12 May 98 12:43 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa17026; 12 May 98 12:43 BST Received: (qmail 27713 invoked from network); 12 May 1998 11:43:25 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 12 May 1998 11:43:25 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (MAA13253); Tue, 12 May 1998 12:27:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 98 12:27:22 +0100 Received: from hub.mdx.ac.uk [158.94.2.5] by hermes via ESMTP (MAA01998); Tue, 12 May 1998 12:27:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18911) id <01IWY2HNV78G00OH9D@mdx.ac.uk> for Csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:29:30 BST Received: from default (stu-dialup10.mdx.ac.uk) by mdx.ac.uk (PMDF V5.1-10 #18911) with SMTP id <01IWY2HKJI2K00IPWW@mdx.ac.uk> for Csound@maths.ex.ac.uk; Tue, 12 May 1998 12:28:51 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:36:07 +0100 From: Jamie Bullock Subject: Joystick-in idea. To: Csound List Message-Id: <000201bd7d98$60361520$34015e9e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 Content-Type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_aBgZ6dOWKv9U7oWBz5Brwg)" X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 X-Priority: 3 Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_aBgZ6dOWKv9U7oWBz5Brwg) Content-type: text/plain Is anyone interested in writing an opcode which reads data from the joystick port on PC soundcards (a bit platform-specific I know)? I've used the joystick port before; I have a few apps which convert joystick port data to MIDI - I know this can then be routed to Csound's midiin opcodes, but it would be nice if Csound could read the port directly - to gain higher resolution and lower latency. The opcode could take the form: k1, k2, k3 .... k8 joyin irange1, irange2 ...irange8[,imode] Where it takes in data, maps it to the range specified by the irange settings (ie 0-irange), and outputs the value at k-rate (k1 etc.) Is anyone interested in writing such a thing ... or am I asking the impossible? Cheers, JamieB --Boundary_(ID_aBgZ6dOWKv9U7oWBz5Brwg) Content-type: text/html Is anyone interested in writing an opcode which reads data from the joystick port on PC soundcards (a bit platform-specific I know)? I've used the joystick port before; I have a few apps which convert joystick port data to MIDI - I know this can then be routed to Csound's midiin opcodes, but it would be nice if Csound could read the port directly - to gain higher resolution and lower latency. The opcode could take the form: k1, k2, k3 .... k8 joyin irange1, irange2 ...irange8[,imode] Where it takes in data, maps it to the range specified by the irange settings (ie 0-irange), and outputs the value at k-rate (k1 etc.) Is anyone interested in writing such a thing ... or am I asking the impossible? Cheers, JamieB --Boundary_(ID_aBgZ6dOWKv9U7oWBz5Brwg)-- Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa14919; 13 May 98 14:05 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa02262; 13 May 98 14:05 BST Received: (qmail 29249 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 13:05:46 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1998 13:05:46 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (NAA01217); Wed, 13 May 1998 13:47:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0 by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 13 May 98 13:46:46 +0100 Received: from f164.hotmail.com [207.82.251.50] by sunny via SMTP (NAA09500); Wed, 13 May 1998 13:40:19 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 13658 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1998 12:43:20 -0000 Message-Id: <19980513124320.13657.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.32.190.125 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:43:19 PDT X-Originating-Ip: [193.32.190.125] From: Karl Greenwood To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Few Questions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 05:43:19 PDT Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just a couple of questions.. 1) highest partial anyone has used or seen used 2) largest table size (sum big ones must be about) 3) are partial strengths integer or real (can not find source on hard disk at the moment which reminds me of a joke about an actress and a bishop...) cheers kARL ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa15456; 13 May 98 16:43 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa10501; 13 May 98 16:43 BST Received: (qmail 16568 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 15:43:30 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1998 15:43:30 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (QAA25262); Wed, 13 May 1998 16:10:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 13 May 98 16:09:59 +0100 Received: from mailer3.bham.ac.uk [147.188.128.54] by hermes via SMTP (QAA19867); Wed, 13 May 1998 16:09:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from bham.ac.uk by mailer3.bham.ac.uk with SMTP (XT-PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:09:57 +0100 Received: from hhs.bham.ac.uk by bham.ac.uk with SMTP (XT-PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:09:53 +0100 Received: from BHAM-ART-FS5/SpoolDir by hhs.bham.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 13 May 98 16:09:53 +/-0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BHAM-ART-FS5 (Mercury 1.31); 13 May 98 16:09:27 +/-0000 From: Joseph L ANDERSON Organization: The University of Birmingham To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:08:48 GMT Subject: (Fwd) Re: Few Questions Reply-To: j.l.anderson@bham.ac.uk Priority: normal Message-Id: <1868F7E1532@hhs.bham.ac.uk> Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Karl, A long answer to your first question... > 1) highest partial anyone has used or seen used Consider a pitch class, say A, and a sample rate, say 44.1kHz, and a mic w/ a response up to 22.05kHz. If the A4 is played on a piano its cps value is 440Hz. If you record this note you will find you can capture energy at the 50th harmonic. Multiply 440Hz by 50 and you get 22kHz. Harmonics 51 (22.44kHz) and above will not be picked up by the mic, and would be filtered out on the A/D conversion anyway. (Frequencies above sr/2 can't be represented w/ digital.) Play A2 instead. It's cps val is 110Hz. The mic and A/D will be able to capture harmonic 200 this time. (200110Hz = 22kHz) Play A1 w/ cps of 55Hz. This time you can get 40055Hz = 22kHz. If you go to higher notes, you find that you get less harmonics represented in the audio chain. Try A5 at 880Hz. You'll find you get only 25 harmonics (25880Hz = 22kHz). So for a short answer to your question, the lower the fundamental of your pitch is, the more number of harmonics you get. The higher the pitch gives less harmonics. Easy, huh?? Joseph L Anderson Barber Institute of Fine Arts Music Department University of Birmingham Edgbaston BIRMINGHAM, B17 0NY England phn:+44 121 414 5781 fax:+44 121 414 5781 Joseph L Anderson Barber Institute of Fine Arts Music Department University of Birmingham Edgbaston BIRMINGHAM, B17 0NY England phn:+44 121 414 5781 fax:+44 121 414 5781 Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa16601; 13 May 98 22:52 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa29320; 13 May 98 22:52 BST Received: (qmail 14297 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1998 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (WAA04726); Wed, 13 May 1998 22:48:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 13 May 98 22:47:54 +0100 Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (WAA26760); Wed, 13 May 1998 22:47:48 +0100 (BST) Received: by NEPTUNE.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2FPJKM69>; Wed, 13 May 1998 16:45:55 -0500 Message-Id: From: David Boothe To: "'csound@maths.ex.ac.uk'" Subject: sndwarp problem Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 16:45:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello Csounders- According the documentation on sndwarp:: "Time and frequency modification are indepentant from one another." I have not been able to get this to happen. Changing xtimewarp modifies time and pitch by the same factor, while changing xresample has no effect. Compiling the orc/sco files below gives a very good representation of the original sound file, with silence padding out the end. (soundin.599 is a 440 Hz sine wave 65536 samples long in aiff format), Changing p5 and p6 to .5 creates a sine wave twice as long and an octave lower. Changing p7 and p8 to .5, or anything else, has no effect. I have tried it with RT Sound 1.9 (implementing Csound 3.47) and Winsound 3.477. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for your help. -dB (David M. Boothe, Audio Director Lyrick Studios, Dallas, TX) -------------- ;orc file using soundin.599 sr = 44100 kr = 4410 ksmps = 10 nchnls = 1 instr 01 aamp = p4 ;amplitude scaling of samp iatim = p5 ;starting time factor ibtim = p6 ;ending time factor iapch = p7 ;starting pitch factor ibpch = p8 ;ending pitch factor iwsize = p9 ;window size in samps irandw = p10 ;rand window size bw (in samps) ioverlap = p11 ;dens of overlapping windows ifn1 = 71 ;ftable sound ifn2 = 81 ;ftable window ibeg = 0 ;where to start reading ftable itimemode = 0 ;make atimewarp scaling factor atimewarp line iatim, p3, ibtim ;time scaling aresample line iapch, p3, ibpch ;pitch scaling a1 sndwarp aamp, atimewarp, aresample, ifn1, / ibeg, iwsize, irandw, ioverlap, ifn2, itimemode out a1 endin ----------------- ;sco file using soundin.599 f71 0 65536 -1 599 0 0 0 ;soundfile f81 0 512 20 1 ;Hamming Window ;p4 amplitude scaling of samp ;p5 starting time factor ;p6 ending time factor ;p7 starting pitch factor ;p8 ending pitch factor ;p9 window size in samps ;p10 rand window size bw (in samps) ;p11 dens of overlapping windows ;p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 i1 0 4 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 10 e Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa16663; 13 May 98 23:11 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa00111; 13 May 98 23:10 BST Received: (qmail 14777 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 22:10:57 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1998 22:10:57 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (XAA18995); Wed, 13 May 1998 23:07:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Wed, 13 May 98 23:07:21 +0100 Received: from root@jason04.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.5] by hermes via ESMTP (XAA15796); Wed, 13 May 1998 23:07:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from saul7.u.washington.edu (karpen@saul7.u.washington.edu [140.142.82.2]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id PAA23822; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:07:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (karpen@localhost) by saul7.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.04) with SMTP id PAA07424; Wed, 13 May 1998 15:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 15:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Karpen To: David Boothe Cc: "'csound@maths.ex.ac.uk'" Subject: Re: sndwarp problem In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It looks like your window size is 1 sample long! Try making in 2000 and then also make the random windowsize something like 200. Richard Karpen On Wed, 13 May 1998, David Boothe wrote: > Hello Csounders- > > According the documentation on sndwarp:: > > "Time and frequency modification are indepentant from one another." > > I have not been able to get this to happen. Changing xtimewarp modifies > time and pitch by the same factor, while changing xresample has no > effect. Compiling the orc/sco files below gives a very good > representation of the original sound file, with silence padding out the > end. (soundin.599 is a 440 Hz sine wave 65536 samples long in aiff > format), Changing p5 and p6 to .5 creates a sine wave twice as long and > an octave lower. Changing p7 and p8 to .5, or anything else, has no > effect. I have tried it with RT Sound 1.9 (implementing Csound 3.47) and > Winsound 3.477. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for your help. > > -dB > (David M. Boothe, Audio Director > Lyrick Studios, Dallas, TX) > > -------------- > ;orc file using soundin.599 > sr = 44100 > kr = 4410 > ksmps = 10 > nchnls = 1 > > instr 01 > > aamp = p4 ;amplitude scaling of samp > iatim = p5 ;starting time factor > ibtim = p6 ;ending time factor > iapch = p7 ;starting pitch factor > ibpch = p8 ;ending pitch factor > iwsize = p9 ;window size in samps > irandw = p10 ;rand window size bw (in samps) > ioverlap = p11 ;dens of overlapping windows > ifn1 = 71 ;ftable sound > ifn2 = 81 ;ftable window > ibeg = 0 ;where to start reading ftable > itimemode = 0 ;make atimewarp scaling factor > atimewarp line iatim, p3, ibtim ;time scaling > aresample line iapch, p3, ibpch ;pitch scaling > > a1 sndwarp aamp, atimewarp, aresample, ifn1, / > ibeg, iwsize, irandw, ioverlap, ifn2, itimemode > out a1 > endin > > ----------------- > ;sco file using soundin.599 > f71 0 65536 -1 599 0 0 0 ;soundfile > f81 0 512 20 1 ;Hamming Window > > ;p4 amplitude scaling of samp > ;p5 starting time factor > ;p6 ending time factor > ;p7 starting pitch factor > ;p8 ending pitch factor > ;p9 window size in samps > ;p10 rand window size bw (in samps) > ;p11 dens of overlapping windows > > ;p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 > i1 0 4 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 10 > e > > > Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa16955; 14 May 98 0:47 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa04963; 14 May 98 0:47 BST Received: (qmail 19811 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 23:47:33 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1998 23:47:33 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA02947); Thu, 14 May 1998 00:43:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 14 May 98 00:42:59 +0100 Received: from mb05.swip.net [193.12.122.209] by hermes via ESMTP (AAA05147); Thu, 14 May 1998 00:42:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from rasmus (dialup201-4-30.swipnet.se [130.244.201.222]) by mb05.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA27849 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 01:42:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <355A30D1.5289@hem.passagen.se> Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 01:46:25 +0200 From: rasmus ekman X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: Re: illegal opcode References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk jpff@maths.bath.ac.uk wrote: > > There is no noctdft opcode in the Csound that I know -- it is not in > the manual. Yes it is. It's in the manuals - both in HTML and the 3.0 one which we all started from. It also WAS in Csound until fairly recently - I happen to have some snips from -95, and it's right there in Entry.C (together with octdown) just before the spec opcodes. Also I believe I saw them - commented out - in Entry.C just one or two versions ago, but that may be a hallucination. So, I guess we remove those too, then... Regards, re Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa16998; 14 May 98 1:00 BST Received: from mercury.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa05534; 14 May 98 0:59 BST Received: (qmail 15368 invoked from network); 13 May 1998 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by mercury.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 13 May 1998 23:59:54 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (AAA25167); Thu, 14 May 1998 00:46:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 14 May 98 00:45:29 +0100 Received: from neptune.lyrick.com [38.227.100.46] by hermes via ESMTP (AAA07363); Thu, 14 May 1998 00:45:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by NEPTUNE.lyrick.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <2FPJKM0L>; Wed, 13 May 1998 18:43:23 -0500 Message-Id: From: David Boothe To: 'Richard Karpen' , David Boothe Cc: "'csound@maths.ex.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: sndwarp problem Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 18:43:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Thank you, Richard. That fixed it with Winsound 3.47. I downloaded Winsound 3.481 in the meantime (thinking that might solve the problem), and get the following compile-time errors (I don't know what they mean): error: Unknown # option, line 14: irandw = p10 ;rand window size bw (in samps) error: Unknown # option, line 15: ioverlap = p11 ;dens of overlapping windows In summary: Winsound 3.47 and RT Sound 1.9 compile OK, giving expected results with different values of p5 through p8. Winsound 3.481 gives above errors with same orc/sco files, so it seems something has happened between versions. Guess I'll keep using 3.47 with sndwarp for a while. -dB (David M. Boothe, Audio Director Lyrick Studios, Dallas, TX) > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Karpen [SMTP:karpen@u.washington.edu] > Sent: May 13, 1998 17:07 > To: David Boothe > Cc: 'csound@maths.ex.ac.uk' > Subject: Re: sndwarp problem > > > It looks like your window size is 1 sample long! Try making in 2000 > and > then also make the random windowsize something like 200. > > Richard Karpen > > > On Wed, 13 May 1998, David Boothe wrote: > > > ;orc file using soundin.599 > > sr = 44100 > > kr = 4410 > > ksmps = 10 > > nchnls = 1 > > > > instr 01 > > > > aamp = p4 ;amplitude scaling of samp > > iatim = p5 ;starting time factor > > ibtim = p6 ;ending time factor > > iapch = p7 ;starting pitch factor > > ibpch = p8 ;ending pitch factor > > iwsize = p9 ;window size in samps > > irandw = p10 ;rand window size bw (in samps) > > ioverlap = p11 ;dens of overlapping windows > > ifn1 = 71 ;ftable sound > > ifn2 = 81 ;ftable window > > ibeg = 0 ;where to start reading ftable > > itimemode = 0 ;make atimewarp scaling factor > > atimewarp line iatim, p3, ibtim ;time scaling > > aresample line iapch, p3, ibpch ;pitch scaling > > > > a1 sndwarp aamp, atimewarp, aresample, ifn1, / > > ibeg, iwsize, irandw, ioverlap, ifn2, itimemode > > out a1 > > endin > > > > ----------------- > > ;sco file using soundin.599 > > f71 0 65536 -1 599 0 0 0 ;soundfile > > f81 0 512 20 1 ;Hamming Window > > > > ;p4 amplitude scaling of samp > > ;p5 starting time factor > > ;p6 ending time factor > > ;p7 starting pitch factor > > ;p8 ending pitch factor > > ;p9 window size in samps > > ;p10 rand window size bw (in samps) > > ;p11 dens of overlapping windows > > > > ;p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 p6 p7 p8 p9 p10 p11 > > i1 0 4 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 10 > > e Received: from stork.maths.bath.ac.uk by omphalos.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa17040; 14 May 98 1:19 BST Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk by stork.maths.Bath.AC.UK id aa06420; 14 May 98 1:19 BST Received: (qmail 20891 invoked from network); 14 May 1998 00:19:43 -0000 Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk (HELO exeter.ac.uk) (144.173.6.14) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 14 May 1998 00:19:43 -0000 Received: from noether [144.173.8.10] by hermes via SMTP (BAA19904); Thu, 14 May 1998 01:06:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from hermes.ex.ac.uk by maths.ex.ac.uk; Thu, 14 May 98 01:06:29 +0100 Received: from sparticus.bright.net [205.212.123.14] by hermes via ESMTP (BAA10702); Thu, 14 May 1998 01:06:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from brutus (find4-cs-1.dial.bright.net [205.212.145.181]) by sparticus.bright.net (8.9.0.Beta3/8.9.0.FNG_Build) with SMTP id UAA17710; Wed, 13 May 1998 20:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <355A3855.72EE67F1@bright.net> Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 20:18:30 -0400 From: Dave Phillips X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: csound@maths.ex.ac.uk Subject: noctdft & space opcodes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-csound-outgoing@maths.ex.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Greetings: As Rasmus Ekman has already indicated, noctdft is indeed entered in the latest HTML manual. It seems to have been last included in Csound version 3.46 sources and has been absent since. The deleted poscil opcode is also still in the HTML manual. Another recent inquiry asked why the 'space' opcode wasn't in version 3.48 (Linux version). I checked the source tree again, and sure enough the opcode is not included in the entry table. It is in version 3.481, so Linux Csounders may wish to upgrade. 3.481 is available from the BGSU MusTec server in the USA and from the Bath site in the UK. == Dave Phillips http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/index.html http://www.bright.net/~dlphilp/linux_soundapps.html

Date	1998-05-11 13:27
From	Bezkorowajny Mathieu
Subject	Re: pascal to c?
	ftp://csvax.cs.caltech.edu/pub/p2c-1.20.tar.Z On Mon, 11 May 1998, Jim Stevenson wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 04:44:37 -0700 > From: Jim Stevenson > To: RWD@cableinet.co.uk, csound@noether.ex.ac.uk > Subject: Re: pascal to c? > > Does anyone know of a program to turn pascal code into c? > > Please answer before you quote this. > > Thanks. > BEZKO ----------------------------------------------------- "[...]for any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole State, and ought to be prohibited." PLATO,("Republica") ----------------------------------------------------- http://mistral.ere.umontreal.ca/~bezkorom/DOST