I got fairly acquainted with Forth some decades ago, and shared
the interest you've expressed.  But I backed off, after sensing
that the attention I'd wanted to devote to algorithms was being
commandeered for stack operations.  That's the non-*zero* about
Forth syntax -- but maybe you're suited to take this in stride.

Peter Armstrong


On 02/24/2017 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:I
> I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely or commonly
> used language in desktop environments; more used still for embedded or 'no
> OS' scenarios -- but it's interesting and minimal, and actually quite zippy
> and powerful.
>
> It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme, in fact, one
> could argue that it's the simplest possible language with *zero* syntax;
> even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
>
> Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP in Forth? Or
> ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
>
> I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
>
> Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd be interested
> to.
>
> Aaron Krister Johnson
> http://www.untwelve.org
>
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Thanks Forrest for posting that, I was just about to mention it.  I
looked a little at Forth, enough to write the example1.fs file there.
I can't say it really suits my way of thinking well, though I do find
it elegant in its own way.  Perhaps that file can be useful for
further Forth explorations. :)

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Forrest Curo  wrote:
> https://github.com/csound/csoundAPI_examples/tree/master/forth
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson 
> wrote:
>>
>> Yup...I've fooled around with Haskell, too!
>>
>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not to:
>>>
>>> https://www.tryhaskell.org/
>>>
>>> 2017-02-24 20:23 GMT+03:00 Aaron Krister Johnson :
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm a Python guy, too...I just like geeking out
>>>> about different languages, language paradigms, and the history computer
>>>> languages. There's something compelling about a language that can build
>>>> itself from the ground up, as Forth and Lisp historically have done....
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Dave Seidel 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Personally, I'm happy with Python, but if I was looking to change
>>>>> languages, I'd probably go with Clojure (which Stsven already supports in
>>>>> blue).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely or
>>>>>> commonly used language in desktop environments; more used still for embedded
>>>>>> or 'no OS' scenarios -- but it's interesting and minimal, and actually quite
>>>>>> zippy and powerful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme, in fact,
>>>>>> one could argue that it's the simplest possible language with *zero* syntax;
>>>>>> even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP in Forth?
>>>>>> Or ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd be
>>>>>> interested to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>>>>>> be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> http://mysterybear.net
>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/mysterybear
>>>>> https://mysterybear.bandcamp.com
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>>>>> be posted here
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Ages ago there was a CAD program for the Atari ST called Cyber Studio
CAD3D and it had a scripting scheme called Cybermate which is Forth
based, its quite an interesting use of Forth.I found this page
http://doudoroff.com/atari/cybermate.html

Graham

On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 13:10 -0500, PMA wrote:
> I got fairly acquainted with Forth some decades ago, and shared
> the interest you've expressed.  But I backed off, after sensing
> that the attention I'd wanted to devote to algorithms was being
> commandeered for stack operations.  That's the non-*zero* about
> Forth syntax -- but maybe you're suited to take this in stride.
> 
> Peter Armstrong
> 
> 
> On 02/24/2017 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:I
> > 
> > I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely or
> > commonly
> > used language in desktop environments; more used still for embedded
> > or 'no
> > OS' scenarios -- but it's interesting and minimal, and actually
> > quite zippy
> > and powerful.
> > 
> > It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme, in
> > fact, one
> > could argue that it's the simplest possible language with *zero*
> > syntax;
> > even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
> > 
> > Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP in
> > Forth? Or
> > ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
> > 
> > I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
> > 
> > Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd be
> > interested
> > to.
> > 
> > Aaron Krister Johnson
> > http://www.untwelve.org
> > 
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Interesting reads about Sporth and SoundPipe. Can SoundPipe do direct audio out, or does it always write a .wav file?

Richard

Forth on the Csound mailing list? I can't not respond to this. 

I highly recommend exploring stack-based languages for creative endeavors. Actually, I really recommend that you *build* a stack based language for your creative endeavors in order to get the full experience. They are really fun little languages in every way. They are simple, terse, and very fast to parse. They make for great live-coding languages!

I see that someone has beaten me to posting about Sporth, a Forth-like language I've been developing for a few years now. 

Most of the DSP algorithms in Sporth come directly from Csound via my library Soundpipe. In a way, Sporth is kind of like Csound with a stack-based interface.

I've had a great time developing and learning how to "think" in Sporth.

As a compositional practice, I've been writing sketches and etudes in Sporth called "sporthlings", you can find them here:

http://pbat.ch/sporthlings/

A youtube playlist of them can be found here:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgEE92LPHEljTLN9gFZr21ETOBxQueoTQ

More recently, I've been writing a book on Sporth which analyzes several Sporth patches that I've written:

http://pbat.ch/proj/cook/

If anyone has any questions about Sporth, feel free to reach out to me offlist at my other email thisispaulbatchelor at gmail dot com

Cheers,

-P

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:22 AM, mitchk <mitch.kaufman@hotmail.com> wrote:

Have you looked at Sporth?

https://paulbatchelor.github.io/proj/sporth

Regards,

Mitch

_____________________________
From: akjmicro [via Csound] <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Forth
To: mitchk <[hidden email]>

Yup...I've fooled around with Haskell, too!

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.untwelve.org

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Anton Kholomiov <[hidden email]> wrote:

Why not to: 

https://www.tryhaskell.org/

2017-02-24 20:23 GMT+03:00 Aaron Krister Johnson <[hidden email]>:

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Python guy, too...I just like geeking out about different languages, language paradigms, and the history computer languages. There's something compelling about a language that can build itself from the ground up, as Forth and Lisp historically have done....

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.untwelve.org

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Dave Seidel <[hidden email]> wrote:

Personally, I'm happy with Python, but if I was looking to change languages, I'd probably go with Clojure (which Stsven already supports in blue).

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson<[hidden email]> wrote:

I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely or commonly used language in desktop environments; more used still for embedded or 'no OS' scenarios -- but it's interesting and minimal, and actually quite zippy and powerful.

It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme, in fact, one could argue that it's the simplest possible language with *zero* syntax; even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.

Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP in Forth? Or ways to integrate Forth and Csound?

I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.

Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd be interested to.

Aaron Krister Johnson
http://www.untwelve.org

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Ages ago there was a CAD program for the Atari ST called Cyber Studio
CAD3D and it had a scripting scheme called Cybermate which is Forth
based, its quite an interesting use of Forth.I found this page
http://doudoroff.com/atari/cybermate.html

Graham

On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 13:10 -0500, PMA wrote:
> 
> I got fairly acquainted with Forth some decades ago, and shared
> the interest you've expressed.  But I backed off, after sensing
> that the attention I'd wanted to devote to algorithms was being
> commandeered for stack operations.  That's the non-*zero* about
> Forth syntax -- but maybe you're suited to take this in stride.
> 
> Peter Armstrong
> 
> 
> On 02/24/2017 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote:I
> > 
> > 
> > I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely or
> > commonly
> > used language in desktop environments; more used still for embedded
> > or 'no
> > OS' scenarios -- but it's interesting and minimal, and actually
> > quite zippy
> > and powerful.
> > 
> > It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme, in
> > fact, one
> > could argue that it's the simplest possible language with *zero*
> > syntax;
> > even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
> > 
> > Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP in
> > Forth? Or
> > ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
> > 
> > I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
> > 
> > Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd be
> > interested
> > to.
> > 
> > Aaron Krister Johnson
> > http://www.untwelve.org
> > 
> > Csound mailing list
> > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
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thanks that looks really interesting

Graham


On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 11:22 -0700, mitchk wrote:
> Have you looked at Sporth?
> 
> https://paulbatchelor.github.io/proj/sporth
> 
> Regards,
> Mitch
> 
> 
> _____________________________
> From: akjmicro [via Csound] <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Forth
> To: mitchk <[hidden email]>
> 
> 
> Yup...I've fooled around with Haskell, too!
> 
> Aaron Krister Johnson
> http://www.untwelve.org
> 
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Anton Kholomiov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > Why not to: 
> > 
> > https://www.tryhaskell.org/
> > 
> > 2017-02-24 20:23 GMT+03:00 Aaron Krister Johnson <[hidden email]>:
> > > Don't get me wrong, I'm a Python guy, too...I just like geeking
> > > out about different languages, language paradigms, and the
> > > history computer languages. There's something compelling about a
> > > language that can build itself from the ground up, as Forth and
> > > Lisp historically have done....
> > > 
> > > Aaron Krister Johnson
> > > http://www.untwelve.org
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Dave Seidel <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Personally, I'm happy with Python, but if I was looking to
> > > > change languages, I'd probably go with Clojure (which Stsven
> > > > already supports in blue).
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson<[hidden
> > > > email]> wrote:
> > > > > I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely
> > > > > or commonly used language in desktop environments; more used
> > > > > still for embedded or 'no OS' scenarios -- but it's
> > > > > interesting and minimal, and actually quite zippy and
> > > > > powerful.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme,
> > > > > in fact, one could argue that it's the simplest possible
> > > > > language with *zero* syntax; even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP
> > > > > in Forth? Or ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd
> > > > > be interested to.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Aaron Krister Johnson
> > > > > http://www.untwelve.org
> > > > > Csound mailing list[hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/
> > > > > cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> > > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs
> > > > > and features can be posted here
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 

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Does anyone remember AMPLE, the language on the Music 500 system for
the old BBC Micro in the 80s?

http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm

If I remember rightly that was a kind of Forthlike language with a
bunch of music primitives built in. (For driving the 8 voice FM synth)

There also seems to be a new Forth-like soft-synth for low power
embedded boards by Karsten Schmidt

https://github.com/thi-ng/synstack

Phil

On 26 February 2017 at 19:18, Aaron Krister Johnson  wrote:
> Fascinating stuff, Paul...I'll have to take a look when I have a longer
> amount of free time :)
>
> Best,
> AKJ
>
> Aaron Krister Johnson
> http://www.untwelve.org
>
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Paul Batchelor 
> wrote:
>>
>> > Interesting reads about Sporth and SoundPipe. Can SoundPipe do direct
>> > audio out, or does it always write a .wav file?
>>
>> Yes, Soundpipe can do realtime audio. However, Soundpipe doesn't have any
>> platform specific implementations. You'd need to implement the
>> platform-specific code in charge of filling the buffer.
>>
>> -P
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Graham Franklin
>> <000001c9c5f5ba63-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>>>
>>> thanks that looks really interesting
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 11:22 -0700, mitchk wrote:
>>> > Have you looked at Sporth?
>>> >
>>> > https://paulbatchelor.github.io/proj/sporth
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Mitch
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _____________________________
>>> > From: akjmicro [via Csound] <[hidden email]>
>>> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:33 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Csnd] Forth
>>> > To: mitchk <[hidden email]>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yup...I've fooled around with Haskell, too!
>>> >
>>> > Aaron Krister Johnson
>>> > http://www.untwelve.org
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Anton Kholomiov <[hidden email]>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > Why not to:
>>> > >
>>> > > https://www.tryhaskell.org/
>>> > >
>>> > > 2017-02-24 20:23 GMT+03:00 Aaron Krister Johnson <[hidden email]>:
>>> > > > Don't get me wrong, I'm a Python guy, too...I just like geeking
>>> > > > out about different languages, language paradigms, and the
>>> > > > history computer languages. There's something compelling about a
>>> > > > language that can build itself from the ground up, as Forth and
>>> > > > Lisp historically have done....
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Aaron Krister Johnson
>>> > > > http://www.untwelve.org
>>> > > >
>>> > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Dave Seidel <[hidden email]>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > Personally, I'm happy with Python, but if I was looking to
>>> > > > > change languages, I'd probably go with Clojure (which Stsven
>>> > > > > already supports in blue).
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson<[hidden
>>> > > > > email]> wrote:
>>> > > > > > I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely
>>> > > > > > or commonly used language in desktop environments; more used
>>> > > > > > still for embedded or 'no OS' scenarios -- but it's
>>> > > > > > interesting and minimal, and actually quite zippy and
>>> > > > > > powerful.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme,
>>> > > > > > in fact, one could argue that it's the simplest possible
>>> > > > > > language with *zero* syntax; even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP
>>> > > > > > in Forth? Or ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd
>>> > > > > > be interested to.
>>> > > > > >
>>> > > > > > Aaron Krister Johnson
>>> > > > > > http://www.untwelve.org
>>> > > > > > Csound mailing list[hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/
>>> > > > > > cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> > > > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs
>>> > > > > > and features can be posted here
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>>
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Yes, both my father and the department had one of these; still haave the 
manual somewhere


On Sat, 4 Mar 2017, phil jones wrote:

> Does anyone remember AMPLE, the language on the Music 500 system for
> the old BBC Micro in the 80s?
>
> http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm
>
> If I remember rightly that was a kind of Forthlike language with a
> bunch of music primitives built in. (For driving the 8 voice FM synth)
>
> There also seems to be a new Forth-like soft-synth for low power
> embedded boards by Karsten Schmidt
>
> https://github.com/thi-ng/synstack
>
> Phil
>
> On 26 February 2017 at 19:18, Aaron Krister Johnson  wrote:
>> Fascinating stuff, Paul...I'll have to take a look when I have a longer
>> amount of free time :)
>>
>> Best,
>> AKJ
>>
>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Paul Batchelor 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting reads about Sporth and SoundPipe. Can SoundPipe do direct
>>>> audio out, or does it always write a .wav file?
>>>
>>> Yes, Soundpipe can do realtime audio. However, Soundpipe doesn't have any
>>> platform specific implementations. You'd need to implement the
>>> platform-specific code in charge of filling the buffer.
>>>
>>> -P
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Graham Franklin
>>> <000001c9c5f5ba63-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> thanks that looks really interesting
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 11:22 -0700, mitchk wrote:
>>>>> Have you looked at Sporth?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://paulbatchelor.github.io/proj/sporth
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________
>>>>> From: akjmicro [via Csound] <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Forth
>>>>> To: mitchk <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup...I've fooled around with Haskell, too!
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Anton Kholomiov <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Why not to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tryhaskell.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-02-24 20:23 GMT+03:00 Aaron Krister Johnson <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm a Python guy, too...I just like geeking
>>>>>>> out about different languages, language paradigms, and the
>>>>>>> history computer languages. There's something compelling about a
>>>>>>> language that can build itself from the ground up, as Forth and
>>>>>>> Lisp historically have done....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Dave Seidel <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Personally, I'm happy with Python, but if I was looking to
>>>>>>>> change languages, I'd probably go with Clojure (which Stsven
>>>>>>>> already supports in blue).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson<[hidden
>>>>>>>> email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely
>>>>>>>>> or commonly used language in desktop environments; more used
>>>>>>>>> still for embedded or 'no OS' scenarios -- but it's
>>>>>>>>> interesting and minimal, and actually quite zippy and
>>>>>>>>> powerful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme,
>>>>>>>>> in fact, one could argue that it's the simplest possible
>>>>>>>>> language with *zero* syntax; even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP
>>>>>>>>> in Forth? Or ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd
>>>>>>>>> be interested to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
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>>>>>>>>> cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs
>>>>>>>>> and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Yes, I do. A remarkable system for its time. I was fortunate to be able 
to borrow a system for a week when running a little summer residential 
music course outside Bath  (some years before I actually owned a 
computer of my own). I got as far as coding the opening section of "In 
C". If only they still had the Beeb in schools!

Richard Dobson


On 04/03/2017 15:46, phil jones wrote:
> Does anyone remember AMPLE, the language on the Music 500 system for
> the old BBC Micro in the 80s?
>
> http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm
>
> If I remember rightly that was a kind of Forthlike language with a
> bunch of music primitives built in. (For driving the 8 voice FM synth)
>

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This calls forth memories... ;-)

Richard


On 04/03/17 16:46, phil jones wrote:
> Does anyone remember AMPLE, the language on the Music 500 system for
> the old BBC Micro in the 80s?
>
> http://www.colinfraser.com/m5000/m5000.htm
>
> If I remember rightly that was a kind of Forthlike language with a
> bunch of music primitives built in. (For driving the 8 voice FM synth)
>
> There also seems to be a new Forth-like soft-synth for low power
> embedded boards by Karsten Schmidt
>
> https://github.com/thi-ng/synstack
>
> Phil
>
> On 26 February 2017 at 19:18, Aaron Krister Johnson  wrote:
>> Fascinating stuff, Paul...I'll have to take a look when I have a longer
>> amount of free time :)
>>
>> Best,
>> AKJ
>>
>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Paul Batchelor 
>> wrote:
>>>> Interesting reads about Sporth and SoundPipe. Can SoundPipe do direct
>>>> audio out, or does it always write a .wav file?
>>> Yes, Soundpipe can do realtime audio. However, Soundpipe doesn't have any
>>> platform specific implementations. You'd need to implement the
>>> platform-specific code in charge of filling the buffer.
>>>
>>> -P
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Graham Franklin
>>> <000001c9c5f5ba63-dmarc-request@listserv.heanet.ie> wrote:
>>>> thanks that looks really interesting
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2017-02-24 at 11:22 -0700, mitchk wrote:
>>>>> Have you looked at Sporth?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://paulbatchelor.github.io/proj/sporth
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________
>>>>> From: akjmicro [via Csound] <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:33 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Forth
>>>>> To: mitchk <[hidden email]>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup...I've fooled around with Haskell, too!
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Anton Kholomiov <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Why not to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tryhaskell.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-02-24 20:23 GMT+03:00 Aaron Krister Johnson <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm a Python guy, too...I just like geeking
>>>>>>> out about different languages, language paradigms, and the
>>>>>>> history computer languages. There's something compelling about a
>>>>>>> language that can build itself from the ground up, as Forth and
>>>>>>> Lisp historically have done....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Dave Seidel <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Personally, I'm happy with Python, but if I was looking to
>>>>>>>> change languages, I'd probably go with Clojure (which Stsven
>>>>>>>> already supports in blue).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Krister Johnson<[hidden
>>>>>>>> email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've been learning a little Forth. I know it's not a widely
>>>>>>>>> or commonly used language in desktop environments; more used
>>>>>>>>> still for embedded or 'no OS' scenarios -- but it's
>>>>>>>>> interesting and minimal, and actually quite zippy and
>>>>>>>>> powerful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It also has an extremely minimal syntax akin to Lisp/Scheme,
>>>>>>>>> in fact, one could argue that it's the simplest possible
>>>>>>>>> language with *zero* syntax; even simpler than Lisp/Scheme.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are there any projects that integrate Csound-like opcode DSP
>>>>>>>>> in Forth? Or ways to integrate Forth and Csound?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can see it being an interesting way to do live-coding.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Steven Yi, I imagine, you've investigated Forth, and/or you'd
>>>>>>>>> be interested to.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aaron Krister Johnson
>>>>>>>>> http://www.untwelve.org
>>>>>>>>> Csound mailing list[hidden email] https://listserv.heanet.ie/
>>>>>>>>> cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs
>>>>>>>>> and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>
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