Hi Anton,

I'm not a native English speaker, but you've reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY

Cheers.

On 08/02/17 14:33, Anton Kholomiov wrote:
> Probably you have heard of my haskell to csound lib. so I'm asking for a
> help
> on this forum. After a while I've decided that csound-expression is a
> very mouthful name and I think on renaming it.
>
> I thought of to name it: Spell
>
> the metaphor is that the musician/programmer is like a magician who cast
> spells to create music. it relates to the process of music making with my
> lib. Since very often all development happens in the interpreter with short
> wizz-buzz utterances which may look like spells.\
>
> I'm no english speaker and though i like the idea I can not know all the
> subtle meanings of the word. So how do you think is it appropriate name for
> audio/music related library?
>
> Thanks for tips
> Anton
>

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Hi Anton,

The main potential issue I can think of is that when I see the
world "spell" without any further context, I think first of
spelling, like spelling a word. I think probably that's because
the "spelling" sense of the word comes up more often than the
"magic spells" sense. I think if you called your library "Spells"
instead that would more readily bring the "magical" sense to
people's minds.

I'm a native English speaker from the U.S., to give a sense of
my background. It would be interesting to hear what other people
thought about this too, of course, since these things can be so
subjective.

Thanks so much for working on that library in any case! I'm
learning Haskell and hope to be skilled enough to try making
music with it before too long.

Best wishes,
Zoë

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> On 9 Feb 2017, at 11:12, Tarmo Johannes <trmjhnns@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> This is extremely boring but why not to tell with the name what the library does?
> Like haskell2csound?
> Best!
> Tarmo
>
> 09.02.2017 9:55 kirjutas kuupäeval "Zoë Sparks" <zoe@milky.flowers>:
> Hi Anton,
>
> The main potential issue I can think of is that when I see the
> world "spell" without any further context, I think first of
> spelling, like spelling a word. I think probably that's because
> the "spelling" sense of the word comes up more often than the
> "magic spells" sense. I think if you called your library "Spells"
> instead that would more readily bring the "magical" sense to
> people's minds.
>
> I'm a native English speaker from the U.S., to give a sense of
> my background. It would be interesting to hear what other people
> thought about this too, of course, since these things can be so
> subjective.
>
> Thanks so much for working on that library in any case! I'm
> learning Haskell and hope to be skilled enough to try making
> music with it before too long.
>
> Best wishes,
> Zoë
>
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I have a Haskell music library (Vivid) which, if I could rename it, I might not choose a less generic name (people have mentioned being confused by it having no indication of what it does). Might I recommend, similar to previous suggestions: CSpells (CSound + Spells)

Good luck - whatever you name it, it's a very impressive library!

Tom

> El 9 feb 2017, a las 06:17, ag@IME.USP.BR escribió:
>
> hi everyone.
>
> here is a possibility that drops the spell but keeps haskell and cs in the name:
> hacskell (hacking csound with haskell?)
>
> or, keeping the spell:
> hacspell (haskell csound spell?)
>
> or, just a small modification in Zoë's idea:
> cpells (the pronunciation is similar to spells, and that c means a lot [and it starts with c and ends with s, with an ell in between])
>
> hope you guys like.
> antonio.
>
>
> Quoting Anton Kholomiov <anton.kholomiov@gmail.com>:
>
>> HI! Thanks for suggestions and tips.
>>
>> I think that haskell2csound is as big as original one..  I guess I'll
>> choose the Zoë's variant
>> i also thought on: svara and musilog (but it's a bit pompous).
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-09 14:15 GMT+03:00 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>:
>>
>>> CsHaskell !
>>> ========================
>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>> Maynooth University,
>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>
>>> > On 9 Feb 2017, at 11:12, Tarmo Johannes <trmjhnns@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> > This is extremely boring but why not to tell with the name what the
>>> library does?
>>> > Like haskell2csound?
>>> > Best!
>>> > Tarmo
>>> >
>>> > 09.02.2017 9:55 kirjutas kuupäeval "Zoë Sparks" <zoe@milky.flowers>:
>>> > Hi Anton,
>>> >
>>> > The main potential issue I can think of is that when I see the
>>> > world "spell" without any further context, I think first of
>>> > spelling, like spelling a word. I think probably that's because
>>> > the "spelling" sense of the word comes up more often than the
>>> > "magic spells" sense. I think if you called your library "Spells"
>>> > instead that would more readily bring the "magical" sense to
>>> > people's minds.
>>> >
>>> > I'm a native English speaker from the U.S., to give a sense of
>>> > my background. It would be interesting to hear what other people
>>> > thought about this too, of course, since these things can be so
>>> > subjective.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks so much for working on that library in any case! I'm
>>> > learning Haskell and hope to be skilled enough to try making
>>> > music with it before too long.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Zoë
>>> >
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One more question: but naming it that way (spells | cspells | csound-spells) it becomes hard to use the word as a synonym for "library"

since it's no longer "it" but "they". Should I write about it as if I writing in plural?

But maybe  that makes sense. I think that I'm going to use the name not as a  replacement for original one

but as the name for a framework or set of libraries. The Cs-expression is a core of the lib but I've got some others

and to make a complete picture I can name them as whole

Anton

2017-02-09 20:25 GMT+03:00 T M <amindfv@gmail.com>:

I have a Haskell music library (Vivid) which, if I could rename it, I might not choose a less generic name (people have mentioned being confused by it having no indication of what it does). Might I recommend, similar to previous suggestions: CSpells (CSound + Spells)

Good luck - whatever you name it, it's a very impressive library!

Tom

> El 9 feb 2017, a las 06:17, ag@IME.USP.BR escribió:
>
> hi everyone.
>
> here is a possibility that drops the spell but keeps haskell and cs in the name:
> hacskell (hacking csound with haskell?)
>
> or, keeping the spell:
> hacspell (haskell csound spell?)
>
> or, just a small modification in Zoë's idea:
> cpells (the pronunciation is similar to spells, and that c means a lot [and it starts with c and ends with s, with an ell in between])
>
> hope you guys like.
> antonio.
>
>
> Quoting Anton Kholomiov <anton.kholomiov@gmail.com>:
>
>> HI! Thanks for suggestions and tips.
>>
>> I think that haskell2csound is as big as original one..  I guess I'll
>> choose the Zoë's variant
>> i also thought on: svara and musilog (but it's a bit pompous).
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-09 14:15 GMT+03:00 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie>:
>>
>>> CsHaskell !
>>> ========================
>>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
>>> Maynooth University,
>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>
>>> > On 9 Feb 2017, at 11:12, Tarmo Johannes <trmjhnns@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> > This is extremely boring but why not to tell with the name what the
>>> library does?
>>> > Like haskell2csound?
>>> > Best!
>>> > Tarmo
>>> >
>>> > 09.02.2017 9:55 kirjutas kuupäeval "Zoë Sparks" <zoe@milky.flowers>:
>>> > Hi Anton,
>>> >
>>> > The main potential issue I can think of is that when I see the
>>> > world "spell" without any further context, I think first of
>>> > spelling, like spelling a word. I think probably that's because
>>> > the "spelling" sense of the word comes up more often than the
>>> > "magic spells" sense. I think if you called your library "Spells"
>>> > instead that would more readily bring the "magical" sense to
>>> > people's minds.
>>> >
>>> > I'm a native English speaker from the U.S., to give a sense of
>>> > my background. It would be interesting to hear what other people
>>> > thought about this too, of course, since these things can be so
>>> > subjective.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks so much for working on that library in any case! I'm
>>> > learning Haskell and hope to be skilled enough to try making
>>> > music with it before too long.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> > Zoë
>>> >
>>> > Csound mailing list
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>>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
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> Just for example if I name it cspells. Should I write
>
> Cspells uses Csound to create music
>
> or it have to be
>
> Cspells use Csound to create music

"Cspells uses Csound to create music" is correct in this case. Since
it's a proper noun referring to a single library, it remains singular.
It's different from the everyday word "spells" because it's the name of
something.

This would actually still be true even if it referred to a set of
libraries; "Cspells is a set of Haskell libraries for working with
Csound" would still be the correct usage. This is because it's only
referring to a single set of libraries, even though there are multiple
libraries in the set.

Proper nouns are sometimes plural, but only when referring to multiple
objects that all take the same proper noun. For example, I have three
different friends named Katie. If they were all in the room with me, I
could say, "There are three Katies in the room."

I hope a brief discussion of English grammar isn't too off-topic for
this list. :p Let me know if this is confusing.

As a side note, I think Cspells has a nice ring to it.

Best,
Zoë

Excerpts from Anton Kholomiov's message of 2017-02-10 11:33:56 +0300:

>
> should I treat them singular or plural?
>
> 2017-02-10 11:24 GMT+03:00 Anton Kholomiov <anton.kholomiov@gmail.com>:
>
> > One more question: but naming it that way (spells | cspells |
> > csound-spells) it becomes hard to use the word as a synonym for "library"
> > since it's no longer "it" but "they". Should I write about it as if I
> > writing in plural?
> >
> > But maybe  that makes sense. I think that I'm going to use the name not as
> > a  replacement for original one
> > but as the name for a framework or set of libraries. The Cs-expression is
> > a core of the lib but I've got some others
> > and to make a complete picture I can name them as whole
> >
> > Anton
> >
> > 2017-02-09 20:25 GMT+03:00 T M <amindfv@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> I have a Haskell music library (Vivid) which, if I could rename it, I
> >> might not choose a less generic name (people have mentioned being confused
> >> by it having no indication of what it does). Might I recommend, similar to
> >> previous suggestions: CSpells (CSound + Spells)
> >>
> >> Good luck - whatever you name it, it's a very impressive library!
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> > El 9 feb 2017, a las 06:17, ag@IME.USP.BR escribió:
> >> >
> >> > hi everyone.
> >> >
> >> > here is a possibility that drops the spell but keeps haskell and cs in
> >> the name:
> >> > hacskell (hacking csound with haskell?)
> >> >
> >> > or, keeping the spell:
> >> > hacspell (haskell csound spell?)
> >> >
> >> > or, just a small modification in Zoë's idea:
> >> > cpells (the pronunciation is similar to spells, and that c means a lot
> >> [and it starts with c and ends with s, with an ell in between])
> >> >
> >> > hope you guys like.
> >> > antonio.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Anton Kholomiov <anton.kholomiov@gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> >> HI! Thanks for suggestions and tips.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think that haskell2csound is as big as original one..  I guess I'll
> >> >> choose the Zoë's variant
> >> >> i also thought on: svara and musilog (but it's a bit pompous).
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2017-02-09 14:15 GMT+03:00 Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie
> >> >:
> >> >>
> >> >>> CsHaskell !
> >> >>> ========================
> >> >>> Prof. Victor Lazzarini
> >> >>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy,
> >> >>> Maynooth University,
> >> >>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> >> >>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> >> >>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > On 9 Feb 2017, at 11:12, Tarmo Johannes <trmjhnns@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Hi,
> >> >>> > This is extremely boring but why not to tell with the name what the
> >> >>> library does?
> >> >>> > Like haskell2csound?
> >> >>> > Best!
> >> >>> > Tarmo
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > 09.02.2017 9:55 kirjutas kuupäeval "Zoë Sparks" <zoe@milky.flowers
> >> >:
> >> >>> > Hi Anton,
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > The main potential issue I can think of is that when I see the
> >> >>> > world "spell" without any further context, I think first of
> >> >>> > spelling, like spelling a word. I think probably that's because
> >> >>> > the "spelling" sense of the word comes up more often than the
> >> >>> > "magic spells" sense. I think if you called your library "Spells"
> >> >>> > instead that would more readily bring the "magical" sense to
> >> >>> > people's minds.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I'm a native English speaker from the U.S., to give a sense of
> >> >>> > my background. It would be interesting to hear what other people
> >> >>> > thought about this too, of course, since these things can be so
> >> >>> > subjective.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Thanks so much for working on that library in any case! I'm
> >> >>> > learning Haskell and hope to be skilled enough to try making
> >> >>> > music with it before too long.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Best wishes,
> >> >>> > Zoë
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Csound mailing list
> >> >>> > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> >> >>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> >> >>> > Send bugs reports to
> >> >>> >         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
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> >> features
> >> >>> can be posted here
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