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Date2016-12-15 22:03
FromAndrea Strappa
SubjectRe: csound on winXP collapse
I come back to previous message object.
My second mistic experience: Csound stopping works fine with midi connections.
Running with Midi connections is closed correctly if I use a .bat file and I close with ctrl+C.
So, I suppose the problem is in the frontend WinXound stopping.
Andrea S.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] 6.08 win32 minimal installation on XP

My mistic experience with my PC, Windows XP Intel CPU is:
Csound5 and Csound6 have serious problems with Midi connection ("zombie Csound processes").
CsoundQt 0.8.2 (packed in Csound6.02) works well.
Kind regards.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] 6.08 win32 minimal installation on XP

I'll do that so. Good thinking. 

On 13 Dec 2016 9:30 pm, "Michael Gogins" <michael.gogins@gmail.com> wrote:
On Windows they go into bin, including csound64.dll. The lib directory is, on WIndows, only for import libraries (csound64.lib currently is the only one).


-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no> wrote:
So, I think the only change needed is puttting 
\lib\csound\plugins64-6.0
in a directory \plugins64 (for the 64 bit version)

That would allow copying the contents into 
Program Files/Csound64/
effectively replacing the installed Csound version.
Very practical if one needs to check different versions for some problem

Not sure about libcsound64.dll.a and the others in \lib
should they go in /bin or do we not actually need them?


2016-12-13 12:56 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins <michael.gogins@gmail.com>:
I would suggest the following:

bin for Csound programs, other programs that Csound might use, and modules (loadable libraries such as audio drivers) but not plugin opcodes
plugins64 for plugin opcodes only
lib for import libraries that developers using Csound as a library would use
include for all Csound header files any developer might use

This is where the Windows installer installs things and the usage is fairly standard across operating systems except for plugins64.

Regards,
Mike


-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Currently, the zip files contain 3 folders, named bin, include and lib. I think they are pretty appropriate names or? I'm happy to change it around if need be.  

On 13 December 2016 at 16:54, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no> wrote:
Would it be a good idea to make the minimal distance in the same directory structure as the one installed by the win installer?  Then it would be straightforward to copy in one in place of the other. 


13. des. 2016 4.32 a.m. skrev "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie>:
Your plugin directory is not set to the correct path. It should be set to "C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist\lib", not "C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist". You need to double check your OPCODE6DIR64 settings. 

On 13 December 2016 at 12:23, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
I tried again.
1) With flag:
-o test.wav
the file is genered correctly and this message appears:
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.060s, CPU: 0.063s
8192 16384 sample blks of shorts written to C:\Andrea\csound\prove_varie\test.wav (WAV)
------- Compiler End -------
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist;': No such file or directory
---
2) With flag:
-odac
I don't ear sound and this message appears:
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 4.987s, CPU: 5.000s
108 4096 sample blks of 64-bit floats written to dac
------- Compiler End -------
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist;': No such file or directory
 unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
---
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] 6.08 win32 minimal installation on XP

The error seems to indicate that OPCODE6DIR64 is set to 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist' and not 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist\lib'? But your pictures tell a different story. Can you double check? 

On 13 December 2016 at 11:19, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
I changed email object from "Csound on windows XP collapse".
I disinstalled any version of Csound.
I tried to install 6.08 win32 minimal (see images attached).
I launched this from winXsound.
The compiler messages are:
 
new alloc for instr 1:
B  0.000 ..  2.000 T  2.000 TT  2.000 M:  32000.0  32000.0
Score finished in csoundPerform().
inactive allocs returned to freespace
end of score.     overall amps:  32000.0  32000.0
    overall samples out of range:        0        0
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 2.018s, CPU: 2.031s
44 4096 sample blks of 64-bit floats written to dac
------- Compiler End -------
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist;': No such file or directory
 unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
 
What is my mistake?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound on winXP collapse

The instructions are in the readme.txt file that comes with the zip archives. You'll have to set OPCODE6DIR64 to point to the folder with the plugin libraries, and add the folder with the Csound program to the system path. After that it should work as usual. You can also add these folders in WinXound.  

On 12 December 2016 at 22:39, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
Very thanks, Steven and Rory, for suggestions.
I tried with tskill command without success (see image attached).
With Csound6_6.02 It isn't "zombie Csound processes", but the midi flags which i was well working with 6.07 version (-odac -M8 --midi-velocity-amp=4 --midi-key-cps=5) don't work with 6.02.
Maybe I Could try with 6.08? Where I can read Nate better instructions?
Andrea
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Yi
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound on winXP collapse

:D

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
You weren't aware because I managed to build it without any problems. So, for once you managed to avoid a barrage of questions form me. We'll call this progress ;) 

On 12 December 2016 at 15:09, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
That's great Rory, I hadn't realized you were building x86 builds for Windows.  Thanks!

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Actually, that's how I do my win32 builds at the moment, i.e., using mingw64. They work fine on Win7 32bit. I'm not sure what I might need to do in order to get them working on WinXP. What was the problem with 6.08_win32_minimal? There is a new one now for 6.08.1 which has some better instructions. Thanks to Nate. Perhaps you could have a go at installing that one? 

On 12 December 2016 at 01:53, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Andrea,

I'm not sure we're really supporting Windows XP now, so there may be issues.  One thing I recently learned about for Windows 10 is the taskkill command; apparently Windows XP has a tskil command that is similar:


That could maybe work to kill any zombie Csound processes.

Also to note, recent versions of Csound releases have been for x86_64, which should not work with 32-bit Windows. If your version of Windows XP is 32-bit, you might have better luck with an earlier version of Csound 6 when releases were 32-bit, or Rory might have a 32-bit release that could work.  The toolchain we have for mingw64 should also work for mingw32, but I don't think anyone has tried.  

Hope that helps!
steven

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
Hi at all,
On those days I'm working on a laptop with Windows XP, WinXound 3.4.1 (I tried also 3.3.4), Csound6_6.07.0beta2 (I tried also 6.03.2, 6.05.2beta-vst, 6.05, but not 6.08_win32_minimal, because I wasn't be able to install).
After I make some executions of Compile and Stop, with good running controlled by Midi, Csound becomes mute.
If I open "Task Manager Windows" (ctrl+alt+canc) I see opened two-three csound on process (like image attached), I try to stop those csound process, but without success.
I can't restart windows, I have to force PC turn off.
Any suggestions?
 
some time appears those messages:
This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.
 
csound command: Floating-point exception
 
csound command: Abort
 
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
time resolution is 279.365 ns



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Date2016-12-16 09:52
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: csound on winXP collapse
I dont see how WinXound could be causing those problems. It basically calls csound from the command line. So if it works in the command line it should work with WinXound. Maybe winxound is passing its own csoptions?

On 15 Dec 2016 22:03, "Andrea Strappa" <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
I come back to previous message object.
My second mistic experience: Csound stopping works fine with midi connections.
Running with Midi connections is closed correctly if I use a .bat file and I close with ctrl+C.
So, I suppose the problem is in the frontend WinXound stopping.
Andrea S.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] 6.08 win32 minimal installation on XP

My mistic experience with my PC, Windows XP Intel CPU is:
Csound5 and Csound6 have serious problems with Midi connection ("zombie Csound processes").
CsoundQt 0.8.2 (packed in Csound6.02) works well.
Kind regards.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] 6.08 win32 minimal installation on XP

I'll do that so. Good thinking. 

On 13 Dec 2016 9:30 pm, "Michael Gogins" <michael.gogins@gmail.com> wrote:
On Windows they go into bin, including csound64.dll. The lib directory is, on WIndows, only for import libraries (csound64.lib currently is the only one).


-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no> wrote:
So, I think the only change needed is puttting 
\lib\csound\plugins64-6.0
in a directory \plugins64 (for the 64 bit version)

That would allow copying the contents into 
Program Files/Csound64/
effectively replacing the installed Csound version.
Very practical if one needs to check different versions for some problem

Not sure about libcsound64.dll.a and the others in \lib
should they go in /bin or do we not actually need them?


2016-12-13 12:56 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins <michael.gogins@gmail.com>:
I would suggest the following:

bin for Csound programs, other programs that Csound might use, and modules (loadable libraries such as audio drivers) but not plugin opcodes
plugins64 for plugin opcodes only
lib for import libraries that developers using Csound as a library would use
include for all Csound header files any developer might use

This is where the Windows installer installs things and the usage is fairly standard across operating systems except for plugins64.

Regards,
Mike


-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Currently, the zip files contain 3 folders, named bin, include and lib. I think they are pretty appropriate names or? I'm happy to change it around if need be.  

On 13 December 2016 at 16:54, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no> wrote:
Would it be a good idea to make the minimal distance in the same directory structure as the one installed by the win installer?  Then it would be straightforward to copy in one in place of the other. 


13. des. 2016 4.32 a.m. skrev "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie>:
Your plugin directory is not set to the correct path. It should be set to "C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist\lib", not "C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist". You need to double check your OPCODE6DIR64 settings. 

On 13 December 2016 at 12:23, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
I tried again.
1) With flag:
-o test.wav
the file is genered correctly and this message appears:
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 0.060s, CPU: 0.063s
8192 16384 sample blks of shorts written to C:\Andrea\csound\prove_varie\test.wav (WAV)
------- Compiler End -------
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist;': No such file or directory
---
2) With flag:
-odac
I don't ear sound and this message appears:
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 4.987s, CPU: 5.000s
108 4096 sample blks of 64-bit floats written to dac
------- Compiler End -------
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist;': No such file or directory
 unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
---
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] 6.08 win32 minimal installation on XP

The error seems to indicate that OPCODE6DIR64 is set to 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist' and not 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist\lib'? But your pictures tell a different story. Can you double check? 

On 13 December 2016 at 11:19, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
I changed email object from "Csound on windows XP collapse".
I disinstalled any version of Csound.
I tried to install 6.08 win32 minimal (see images attached).
I launched this from winXsound.
The compiler messages are:
 
new alloc for instr 1:
B  0.000 ..  2.000 T  2.000 TT  2.000 M:  32000.0  32000.0
Score finished in csoundPerform().
inactive allocs returned to freespace
end of score.     overall amps:  32000.0  32000.0
    overall samples out of range:        0        0
0 errors in performance
Elapsed time at end of performance: real: 2.018s, CPU: 2.031s
44 4096 sample blks of 64-bit floats written to dac
------- Compiler End -------
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
WARNING: Error opening plugin directory 'C:\Programmi\Csound6.08_Win32_minimal\dist;': No such file or directory
 unknown rtaudio module: 'PortAudio', using dummy module
 
What is my mistake?
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rory Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound on winXP collapse

The instructions are in the readme.txt file that comes with the zip archives. You'll have to set OPCODE6DIR64 to point to the folder with the plugin libraries, and add the folder with the Csound program to the system path. After that it should work as usual. You can also add these folders in WinXound.  

On 12 December 2016 at 22:39, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
Very thanks, Steven and Rory, for suggestions.
I tried with tskill command without success (see image attached).
With Csound6_6.02 It isn't "zombie Csound processes", but the midi flags which i was well working with 6.07 version (-odac -M8 --midi-velocity-amp=4 --midi-key-cps=5) don't work with 6.02.
Maybe I Could try with 6.08? Where I can read Nate better instructions?
Andrea
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Yi
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] csound on winXP collapse

:D

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
You weren't aware because I managed to build it without any problems. So, for once you managed to avoid a barrage of questions form me. We'll call this progress ;) 

On 12 December 2016 at 15:09, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
That's great Rory, I hadn't realized you were building x86 builds for Windows.  Thanks!

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:25 AM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
Actually, that's how I do my win32 builds at the moment, i.e., using mingw64. They work fine on Win7 32bit. I'm not sure what I might need to do in order to get them working on WinXP. What was the problem with 6.08_win32_minimal? There is a new one now for 6.08.1 which has some better instructions. Thanks to Nate. Perhaps you could have a go at installing that one? 

On 12 December 2016 at 01:53, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Andrea,

I'm not sure we're really supporting Windows XP now, so there may be issues.  One thing I recently learned about for Windows 10 is the taskkill command; apparently Windows XP has a tskil command that is similar:


That could maybe work to kill any zombie Csound processes.

Also to note, recent versions of Csound releases have been for x86_64, which should not work with 32-bit Windows. If your version of Windows XP is 32-bit, you might have better luck with an earlier version of Csound 6 when releases were 32-bit, or Rory might have a 32-bit release that could work.  The toolchain we have for mingw64 should also work for mingw32, but I don't think anyone has tried.  

Hope that helps!
steven

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Andrea Strappa <a_strappa@tin.it> wrote:
Hi at all,
On those days I'm working on a laptop with Windows XP, WinXound 3.4.1 (I tried also 3.3.4), Csound6_6.07.0beta2 (I tried also 6.03.2, 6.05.2beta-vst, 6.05, but not 6.08_win32_minimal, because I wasn't be able to install).
After I make some executions of Compile and Stop, with good running controlled by Midi, Csound becomes mute.
If I open "Task Manager Windows" (ctrl+alt+canc) I see opened two-three csound on process (like image attached), I try to stop those csound process, but without success.
I can't restart windows, I have to force PC turn off.
Any suggestions?
 
some time appears those messages:
This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way.
Please contact the application's support team for more information.
 
csound command: Floating-point exception
 
csound command: Abort
 
 
Compiler Info/Warnings/Errors:
time resolution is 279.365 ns



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