Hello all,

The  "Csound - A Sound and Music Computing system" book is a sort of actualized version of

"The Csound book" ?

thanks in advance

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el 2016-11-19 a las 21:31 Csounder Csounder escribió:

> Hello all,The  "Csound - A Sound and Music Computing system" book is a
> sort of actualized version of "The Csound book" ? 

like wow, i didn't even know of the existence of this book! was it
announced on the list? where was i? i downloaded the table of contents,
and it looks great, a real must-have! congratulations to all the authors, i
have to get a copy as soon as possible.

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Greetings,

I saw the book listed on Amazon, it looks like it will be a great 
addition to Csound documentation.

[op-ed]
It seems to me that most books on computer music fail in regards to the 
"music" part. That is, I get a lot of technical detail regarding the 
means and methods of the technology, but very little information about 
how music is actually composed with those means & methods. Dodge's book 
has some good analyses, but they're awfully brief compared to the rest 
of the book. And that's pretty much how it is for most of the relevant 
books I've read. A signal exception is Rick Taube's book on Common 
Music, but that language does not itself provide any audio synthesis 
technology (it relies on external sources such as CLM, Csound, or MIDI), 
focusing completely on means and methods directly applicable to 
composition. This new book on Csound appears to provide a corrective - I 
see chapters devoted to particular composers and their works, which is 
exactly what I want to read about. While I acknowledge the fundamental 
importance of the technology and a need for its full description, at the 
same time I see a need for more extensive description of works created 
with it. (The OM Composers series is a good example of what I'd love to 
see for Csound - collections of more or less technical articles on the 
making of music with Csound.) Yes, studying the code of compositions can 
be very profitable, but the code doesn't give you a sense of *why* 
decisions were made or what alternatives presented themselves during the 
creative process.
[/op-ed]

Best,

dp

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el 2016-11-20 a las 08:37 Dave Phillips escribió:

> [op-ed]
> .....
> [/op-ed]

i completely agree with everything that dave wrote with his usual wisdom.

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> [op-ed]
> .....
> [/op-ed]

I also agree. I'm a classically trained composer used to thinking only
in terms of sheet music. I've started using Csound fairly recently
because of what it can do better than MIDI for a project I'm working
on. I'm not at all interested or knowledgeable about sound synthesis
(though of course I recognize the value in those things!). So if this
book is geared toward me or at least helps me understand how to use
Csound better as a composer not interested in synthesis then it will
be a godsend! I will check it out as soon as I can.

Dave Bellows


On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 5:54 AM, luis jure  wrote:
> el 2016-11-20 a las 08:37 Dave Phillips escribió:
>
>> [op-ed]
>> .....
>> [/op-ed]
>
> i completely agree with everything that dave wrote with his usual wisdom.
>
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A Csound Composer's series sounds like a good book idea.

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 20 Nov 2016, at 13:37, Dave Phillips  wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I saw the book listed on Amazon, it looks like it will be a great addition to Csound documentation.
> 
> [op-ed]
> It seems to me that most books on computer music fail in regards to the "music" part. That is, I get a lot of technical detail regarding the means and methods of the technology, but very little information about how music is actually composed with those means & methods. Dodge's book has some good analyses, but they're awfully brief compared to the rest of the book. And that's pretty much how it is for most of the relevant books I've read. A signal exception is Rick Taube's book on Common Music, but that language does not itself provide any audio synthesis technology (it relies on external sources such as CLM, Csound, or MIDI), focusing completely on means and methods directly applicable to composition. This new book on Csound appears to provide a corrective - I see chapters devoted to particular composers and their works, which is exactly what I want to read about. While I acknowledge the fundamental importance of the technology and a need for its full description, at the same time I see a need for more extensive description of works created with it. (The OM Composers series is a good example of what I'd love to see for Csound - collections of more or less technical articles on the making of music with Csound.) Yes, studying the code of compositions can be very profitable, but the code doesn't give you a sense of *why* decisions were made or what alternatives presented themselves during the creative process.
> [/op-ed]
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
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We haven't got round to announcing it properly on this list, as it was only finally out last Friday. We'll write a post on it and also a news item for the site. 

Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
Maynooth University
Ireland

> On 20 Nov 2016, at 12:25, luis jure  wrote:
> 
>> el 2016-11-19 a las 21:31 Csounder Csounder escribió:
>> 
>> Hello all,The  "Csound - A Sound and Music Computing system" book is a
>> sort of actualized version of "The Csound book" ? 
> 
> like wow, i didn't even know of the existence of this book! was it
> announced on the list? where was i? i downloaded the table of contents,
> and it looks great, a real must-have! congratulations to all the authors, i
> have to get a copy as soon as possible.
> 
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+1

I've mentioned it before, but I always liked Max Mathew's "The
Technology of Computer Music" as it discussed examples using
western-music notation and how to go about expressing it in Music V.
(For example, see Fig. 32 and 33, pages 56 and 59:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/bellLabs/The_Technology_of_Computer_Music_1969.pdf).

I think we might use different strategies to express these ideas in
Csound than to just use tables, as those examples do, but it would be
nice to have a cookbook of musical examples and how to express them.


On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> A Csound Composer's series sounds like a good book idea.
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
>
>> On 20 Nov 2016, at 13:37, Dave Phillips  wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I saw the book listed on Amazon, it looks like it will be a great addition to Csound documentation.
>>
>> [op-ed]
>> It seems to me that most books on computer music fail in regards to the "music" part. That is, I get a lot of technical detail regarding the means and methods of the technology, but very little information about how music is actually composed with those means & methods. Dodge's book has some good analyses, but they're awfully brief compared to the rest of the book. And that's pretty much how it is for most of the relevant books I've read. A signal exception is Rick Taube's book on Common Music, but that language does not itself provide any audio synthesis technology (it relies on external sources such as CLM, Csound, or MIDI), focusing completely on means and methods directly applicable to composition. This new book on Csound appears to provide a corrective - I see chapters devoted to particular composers and their works, which is exactly what I want to read about. While I acknowledge the fundamental importance of the technology and a need for its full description, at the same time I see a need for more extensive description of works created with it. (The OM Composers series is a good example of what I'd love to see for Csound - collections of more or less technical articles on the making of music with Csound.) Yes, studying the code of compositions can be very profitable, but the code doesn't give you a sense of *why* decisions were made or what alternatives presented themselves during the creative process.
>> [/op-ed]
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
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Just got hold of the PDF version on the publisher’s Spinger site. I look forward to reading in on my daily commute!

All the best,

Jacques

> On 20 Nov 2016, at 14:37, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> 
> We haven't got round to announcing it properly on this list, as it was only finally out last Friday. We'll write a post on it and also a news item for the site. 
> 
> Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies, and Philosophy
> Maynooth University
> Ireland
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2016, at 12:25, luis jure  wrote:
>> 
>>> el 2016-11-19 a las 21:31 Csounder Csounder escribió:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,The  "Csound - A Sound and Music Computing system" book is a
>>> sort of actualized version of "The Csound book" ? 
>> 
>> like wow, i didn't even know of the existence of this book! was it
>> announced on the list? where was i? i downloaded the table of contents,
>> and it looks great, a real must-have! congratulations to all the authors, i
>> have to get a copy as soon as possible.
>> 
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same to me!
so after reading this mail i have preorder my copy.
Are You authors maybe secret massons :-)?
Congratulations to all,
ciao,
francesco.

On 20/11/2016 13:26, luis jure wrote:
> el 2016-11-19 a las 21:31 Csounder Csounder escribió:
>
>> Hello all,The  "Csound - A Sound and Music Computing system" book is a
>> sort of actualized version of "The Csound book" ?
> like wow, i didn't even know of the existence of this book! was it
> announced on the list? where was i? i downloaded the table of contents,
> and it looks great, a real must-have! congratulations to all the authors, i
> have to get a copy as soon as possible.
>
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The "new" Csound Book: Csound - A Sound and Music Computing System

is incredible!  amazing!   brilliant!  What an inspiration!  

(http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319453682)

Victor, Steven, John, Joachim, Oyvind, and Iain: Congratulations - and THANK YOU.

You are awesome.

I can't wait to see you all at Csound30 in Maynooth later this week

so that I can thank you all personally for this wonderful gift... 

to me, to my students, and to future generations of Csounders everywhere.

I purchased the PDF version the minute I read the announcement 

and was up all night reading... and LEARNING!  

Today, for a second time, and to remember our teacher - Jean-Claude Risset, I again

read and reflected on the foreword that he wrote for you back in December of 2015.

-dB

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:46 AM, fra <francescoarmandoporta@gmail.com> wrote:

same to me!
so after reading this mail i have preorder my copy.
Are You authors maybe secret massons :-)?
Congratulations to all,
ciao,
francesco.

On 20/11/2016 13:26, luis jure wrote:

el 2016-11-19 a las 21:31 Csounder Csounder escribió:

Hello all,The  "Csound - A Sound and Music Computing system" book is a
sort of actualized version of "The Csound book" ?

like wow, i didn't even know of the existence of this book! was it
announced on the list? where was i? i downloaded the table of contents,
and it looks great, a real must-have! congratulations to all the authors, i
have to get a copy as soon as possible.

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