Hi All,

Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of our site:

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(Sorry, pressed send accidentally)

Hi All,

Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of our site:

http://csound.github.io/listen.html

It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?

steven

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of our site:

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Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post 
Youtube or SoundCloud clips.

https://fandalism.com/groups/

Richard


On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>
> Hi All,
>
> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of our site:
>
> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>
> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>
> steven
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of our site:
> Csound mailing list
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Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
 wrote:
> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of reposts. so
> the account can contain only reposts
> and serve as a group..
>
> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>
>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that account
>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>> playlist on the page.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>
>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>
>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>> our site:
>>>>
>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>
>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> steven
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>> our site:
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
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>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
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>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> be posted here
>
>
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I've got to urge that, before going the YouTube route,
y'all read closely their contributor's-agreement spec,
which strikes me as throwing our copyrights virtually
to the wolves.

Not to claim that I'm other than naïve on this subject.

- Pete


On 12/02/2016 11:21 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
> Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
> was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
> give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
> don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>  wrote:
>> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of reposts. so
>> the account can contain only reposts
>> and serve as a group..
>>
>> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>>
>>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that account
>>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>>> playlist on the page.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>>
>>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>> our site:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> steven
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>           https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>>> be posted here
>>
>>
>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
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>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> be posted here
>
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Or we could make our own site, then we have complete control over it.
There must be enough software people in our midst that could do that. Nowadays there are so many options to create a good looking site with not much effort.
We could decide on the technology (Django/Python, ASP .NET, NodeJs, etc) and the hosting.

Richard

That's a good point, we need to check that out.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, PMA <armstrng@eskimo.com> wrote:

I've got to urge that, before going the YouTube route,
y'all read closely their contributor's-agreement spec,
which strikes me as throwing our copyrights virtually
to the wolves.

Not to claim that I'm other than naïve on this subject.

- Pete

On 12/02/2016 11:21 AM, Steven Yi wrote:

Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
<anton.kholomiov@gmail.com> wrote:

+1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of reposts. so
the account can contain only reposts
and serve as a group..

2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com>:

Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that account
to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
playlist on the page.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote:

Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
Youtube or SoundCloud clips.

https://fandalism.com/groups/

Richard



On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:

(Sorry, pressed send accidentally)

Hi All,

Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
our site:

http://csound.github.io/listen.html

It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?

steven

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
our site:

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At this point in time, for what it's worth, my main channel for
listening to new music is YouTube.

I have WIndows Live Movie Maker and it shouldn't be hard for me to
make videos out of my Csound pieces. I will try it soon. I also have
pieces with a visual element that would go well this way.

Best,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
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Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
> was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
> give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
> don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.
>
> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>  wrote:
>> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of reposts. so
>> the account can contain only reposts
>> and serve as a group..
>>
>> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>>
>>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that account
>>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>>> playlist on the page.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>>
>>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>> our site:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> steven
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
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>>>> Send bugs reports to
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>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>>
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>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>>> be posted here
>>
>>
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>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> be posted here
>
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If you belong to a performing rights organization such as ASCAP, you
might want to check this out:

https://www.ascap.com/help/royalties-and-payment/make-money-youtube.

What it says that members of rights organizations can get royalties
from YouTube views of their pieces AND register to get their share of
ad revenues from YouTube views of their pieces.

It's easy to join ASCAP as a writer, you just have to prove you have
written music that is available to the public. For me that was my
performance at the ICMC in Banff a while back. There are lots of other
ways. If you join as a writer you are automatically eligible to join
as a publisher.

I strongly suggest that anyone eligible join. Creators are at a
disadvantage and need to organize to fight for their rights.

Best,
Mike



-----------------------------------------------------
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Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, PMA  wrote:
> I've got to urge that, before going the YouTube route,
> y'all read closely their contributor's-agreement spec,
> which strikes me as throwing our copyrights virtually
> to the wolves.
>
> Not to claim that I'm other than naïve on this subject.
>
> - Pete
>
>
>
> On 12/02/2016 11:21 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>> Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
>> was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
>> give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
>> don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of reposts.
>>> so
>>> the account can contain only reposts
>>> and serve as a group..
>>>
>>> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that
>>>> account
>>>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>>>> playlist on the page.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>           https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>>> can
>>>> be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>> can
>>> be posted here
>>
>>
>> Csound mailing list
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>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>
> Csound mailing list
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> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
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I assume ASCAP is USA only?

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Thanks Michael!
I'll look into this....
Pete

On 12/02/2016 12:07 PM, Michael Gogins wrote:
> If you belong to a performing rights organization such as ASCAP, you
> might want to check this out:
>
> https://www.ascap.com/help/royalties-and-payment/make-money-youtube.
>
> What it says that members of rights organizations can get royalties
> from YouTube views of their pieces AND register to get their share of
> ad revenues from YouTube views of their pieces.
>
> It's easy to join ASCAP as a writer, you just have to prove you have
> written music that is available to the public. For me that was my
> performance at the ICMC in Banff a while back. There are lots of other
> ways. If you join as a writer you are automatically eligible to join
> as a publisher.
>
> I strongly suggest that anyone eligible join. Creators are at a
> disadvantage and need to organize to fight for their rights.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, PMA  wrote:
>> I've got to urge that, before going the YouTube route,
>> y'all read closely their contributor's-agreement spec,
>> which strikes me as throwing our copyrights virtually
>> to the wolves.
>>
>> Not to claim that I'm other than naïve on this subject.
>>
>> - Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/02/2016 11:21 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>
>>> Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
>>> was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
>>> give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
>>> don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of reposts.
>>>> so
>>>> the account can contain only reposts
>>>> and serve as a group..
>>>>
>>>> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that
>>>>> account
>>>>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>>>>> playlist on the page.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>>>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part of
>>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>            https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>>>> can
>>>>> be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>>> can
>>>> be posted here
>>>
>>>
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No, it is global, more or less, via mutual agreements. But perhaps you
meant can foreigners join. Yes if they fill out appropriate US tax
forms W-9 and W-8BEN, no otherwise.

Best,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jpff  wrote:
> I assume ASCAP is USA only?
>
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Hi,
I looked into this a bit, and the copyright holder can be a member of
his/her local/national copyrights organization. For example, for us in
Norway, this is TONO. The royalties collected from YouTube will
automatically be registered to your TONO account. But you *must* of
course register the work with your national copyrights
organization(ASCAP, TONO ...), and be careful to use the same title of
the work when publising on YouTube as the one that is registered.
And as I can read from Tono's website
(http://www.tono.no/faq-items/avregning-fra-youtube/), the royalties
comes from advertisement that YouTube "wraps around" your content. So
the content itself does not create royalties, just the advertisement
income. I guess this works ok in most cases, but I'm not sure how they
handle it for YouTube Red (ad-free) streams. Also, not sure if it
matters if the listener clicks "skip ad" or not?
But the basic system seems to be in place to take care of our rights there.
Oeyvind

2016-12-02 11:38 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
> No, it is global, more or less, via mutual agreements. But perhaps you
> meant can foreigners join. Yes if they fill out appropriate US tax
> forms W-9 and W-8BEN, no otherwise.
>
> Best,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jpff  wrote:
>> I assume ASCAP is USA only?
>>
>>
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This is not quite correct. YouTube and ASCAP and the content ID
services cooperate in distributing BOTH advertising revenues AND
regular old mechanical royalties.

ASCAP is not a copyright service, it is a performance rights
organization. The United States Copyright Office is the copyright
service. Of course for ASCAP to be able to perform its services, the
author, the publisher, and the performers must register their
copyrights with the Copyright Office.

I agree that YouTube has some sort of machinery in place to enforce
performance rights, at least when copyright holders complain, and to
collect and distribute royalties and ad revenues. However, another
whole issue is of course the paltry amount of the royalties. They
could be much higher without injuring social media, recording
companies, publishers, or audiences, in my opinion. On the other hand,
it is undoubtedly true that the low royalties lower the bar to entry
to the distribution system.

I think it's good that we're talking about these issues.

Regards,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
 wrote:
> Hi,
> I looked into this a bit, and the copyright holder can be a member of
> his/her local/national copyrights organization. For example, for us in
> Norway, this is TONO. The royalties collected from YouTube will
> automatically be registered to your TONO account. But you *must* of
> course register the work with your national copyrights
> organization(ASCAP, TONO ...), and be careful to use the same title of
> the work when publising on YouTube as the one that is registered.
> And as I can read from Tono's website
> (http://www.tono.no/faq-items/avregning-fra-youtube/), the royalties
> comes from advertisement that YouTube "wraps around" your content. So
> the content itself does not create royalties, just the advertisement
> income. I guess this works ok in most cases, but I'm not sure how they
> handle it for YouTube Red (ad-free) streams. Also, not sure if it
> matters if the listener clicks "skip ad" or not?
> But the basic system seems to be in place to take care of our rights there.
> Oeyvind
>
> 2016-12-02 11:38 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
>> No, it is global, more or less, via mutual agreements. But perhaps you
>> meant can foreigners join. Yes if they fill out appropriate US tax
>> forms W-9 and W-8BEN, no otherwise.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jpff  wrote:
>>> I assume ASCAP is USA only?
>>>
>>>
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>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
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Thanks for correcting my use of terms, it was not correct to use the
terms copyright organization. TONO is a performing rights organization
like ASCAP. So, I would expect the reyalties to be collected likewise
for TONO registered compositions as ASCAP registered compositions, and
equally for similar organizations covering other territories. Do you
have information that says it is handled differently with ASCAP than
with other performing rights organizations? The reason I ask is that
it would be quite impractical for a non-US composer to register with
ASCAP, and pay tax  to the US for the royalties earned on YouTube
since the streams might have been listened to in any territory.

On a side note:
Talking of this, I'm not actually sure how this is handled tax-wise in
any case. If my music is streamed in the US, and I receive payment for
this in Norway, the actual transaction to the customer could be seens
as a US transaction(?). AFAIK this is something not fully defined
formally, and the streaming companies currently do their best to avoid
taxation in any case or any territory. Like also with "sharing"
services like AirBnb, where the tax regulations have been flaky, but
seem to be finding more formal definitions as this kind of business
flourish.

2016-12-02 15:26 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
> This is not quite correct. YouTube and ASCAP and the content ID
> services cooperate in distributing BOTH advertising revenues AND
> regular old mechanical royalties.
>
> ASCAP is not a copyright service, it is a performance rights
> organization. The United States Copyright Office is the copyright
> service. Of course for ASCAP to be able to perform its services, the
> author, the publisher, and the performers must register their
> copyrights with the Copyright Office.
>
> I agree that YouTube has some sort of machinery in place to enforce
> performance rights, at least when copyright holders complain, and to
> collect and distribute royalties and ad revenues. However, another
> whole issue is of course the paltry amount of the royalties. They
> could be much higher without injuring social media, recording
> companies, publishers, or audiences, in my opinion. On the other hand,
> it is undoubtedly true that the low royalties lower the bar to entry
> to the distribution system.
>
> I think it's good that we're talking about these issues.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I looked into this a bit, and the copyright holder can be a member of
>> his/her local/national copyrights organization. For example, for us in
>> Norway, this is TONO. The royalties collected from YouTube will
>> automatically be registered to your TONO account. But you *must* of
>> course register the work with your national copyrights
>> organization(ASCAP, TONO ...), and be careful to use the same title of
>> the work when publising on YouTube as the one that is registered.
>> And as I can read from Tono's website
>> (http://www.tono.no/faq-items/avregning-fra-youtube/), the royalties
>> comes from advertisement that YouTube "wraps around" your content. So
>> the content itself does not create royalties, just the advertisement
>> income. I guess this works ok in most cases, but I'm not sure how they
>> handle it for YouTube Red (ad-free) streams. Also, not sure if it
>> matters if the listener clicks "skip ad" or not?
>> But the basic system seems to be in place to take care of our rights there.
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> 2016-12-02 11:38 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
>>> No, it is global, more or less, via mutual agreements. But perhaps you
>>> meant can foreigners join. Yes if they fill out appropriate US tax
>>> forms W-9 and W-8BEN, no otherwise.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Gogins
>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jpff  wrote:
>>>> I assume ASCAP is USA only?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>
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After going through the steps to sign up for a bunch of stuff and to
begin uploading to YouTube, I must make some corrections and updates.

The earning of revenue for copyrighted music uploaded to YouTube is
complex! I have oversimplified.

First, if you upload to your own YouTube channel (very easy to do if
you have a video and a YouTube or Google account), YouTube will pay
you directly for ad revenues. The content ID services are oriented
more towards finding when your music has been used by some other
video.

It does not seem to be necessary to have a complete copyright
registration before registering with ASCAP. So you can register for
copyright and then register with ASCAP before the Copyright Office
finishes processing your request (it can take a while).

CDBaby does at least some of this content ID stuff also. They also put
your stuff on YouTube for you! I had no idea! My CDBaby album tracks
are already on YouTube! If you want to see them, just search for
"Michael Gogins" in YouTube. Make sure it's "Gogins" not "Goggins".

I went ahead and opted in for CDBaby to manage ad revenues for my
CDBaby albums, and to administer my ASCAP rights for those albums.
There was no fee but they will take a cut of my revenues.

I may also upload things directly to YouTube.

Too complex! IANAL! (I am not a lawyer!).

I may have more to say on this as I learn more in the coming months.

Regards,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
 wrote:
> Thanks for correcting my use of terms, it was not correct to use the
> terms copyright organization. TONO is a performing rights organization
> like ASCAP. So, I would expect the reyalties to be collected likewise
> for TONO registered compositions as ASCAP registered compositions, and
> equally for similar organizations covering other territories. Do you
> have information that says it is handled differently with ASCAP than
> with other performing rights organizations? The reason I ask is that
> it would be quite impractical for a non-US composer to register with
> ASCAP, and pay tax  to the US for the royalties earned on YouTube
> since the streams might have been listened to in any territory.
>
> On a side note:
> Talking of this, I'm not actually sure how this is handled tax-wise in
> any case. If my music is streamed in the US, and I receive payment for
> this in Norway, the actual transaction to the customer could be seens
> as a US transaction(?). AFAIK this is something not fully defined
> formally, and the streaming companies currently do their best to avoid
> taxation in any case or any territory. Like also with "sharing"
> services like AirBnb, where the tax regulations have been flaky, but
> seem to be finding more formal definitions as this kind of business
> flourish.
>
> 2016-12-02 15:26 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
>> This is not quite correct. YouTube and ASCAP and the content ID
>> services cooperate in distributing BOTH advertising revenues AND
>> regular old mechanical royalties.
>>
>> ASCAP is not a copyright service, it is a performance rights
>> organization. The United States Copyright Office is the copyright
>> service. Of course for ASCAP to be able to perform its services, the
>> author, the publisher, and the performers must register their
>> copyrights with the Copyright Office.
>>
>> I agree that YouTube has some sort of machinery in place to enforce
>> performance rights, at least when copyright holders complain, and to
>> collect and distribute royalties and ad revenues. However, another
>> whole issue is of course the paltry amount of the royalties. They
>> could be much higher without injuring social media, recording
>> companies, publishers, or audiences, in my opinion. On the other hand,
>> it is undoubtedly true that the low royalties lower the bar to entry
>> to the distribution system.
>>
>> I think it's good that we're talking about these issues.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------
>> Michael Gogins
>> Irreducible Productions
>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I looked into this a bit, and the copyright holder can be a member of
>>> his/her local/national copyrights organization. For example, for us in
>>> Norway, this is TONO. The royalties collected from YouTube will
>>> automatically be registered to your TONO account. But you *must* of
>>> course register the work with your national copyrights
>>> organization(ASCAP, TONO ...), and be careful to use the same title of
>>> the work when publising on YouTube as the one that is registered.
>>> And as I can read from Tono's website
>>> (http://www.tono.no/faq-items/avregning-fra-youtube/), the royalties
>>> comes from advertisement that YouTube "wraps around" your content. So
>>> the content itself does not create royalties, just the advertisement
>>> income. I guess this works ok in most cases, but I'm not sure how they
>>> handle it for YouTube Red (ad-free) streams. Also, not sure if it
>>> matters if the listener clicks "skip ad" or not?
>>> But the basic system seems to be in place to take care of our rights there.
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>> 2016-12-02 11:38 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
>>>> No, it is global, more or less, via mutual agreements. But perhaps you
>>>> meant can foreigners join. Yes if they fill out appropriate US tax
>>>> forms W-9 and W-8BEN, no otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jpff  wrote:
>>>>> I assume ASCAP is USA only?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>> Professor of Music Technology
>>> NTNU
>>> 7491 Trondheim
>>> Norway
>>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>
>>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>> http://flyndresang.no/
>>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
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>>
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>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
>
>
> --
>
> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
> Professor of Music Technology
> NTNU
> 7491 Trondheim
> Norway
> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>
> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
> http://flyndresang.no/
> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
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Thanks a lot for the report, Michael.

2016-12-03 10:36 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
> After going through the steps to sign up for a bunch of stuff and to
> begin uploading to YouTube, I must make some corrections and updates.
>
> The earning of revenue for copyrighted music uploaded to YouTube is
> complex! I have oversimplified.
>
> First, if you upload to your own YouTube channel (very easy to do if
> you have a video and a YouTube or Google account), YouTube will pay
> you directly for ad revenues. The content ID services are oriented
> more towards finding when your music has been used by some other
> video.
>
> It does not seem to be necessary to have a complete copyright
> registration before registering with ASCAP. So you can register for
> copyright and then register with ASCAP before the Copyright Office
> finishes processing your request (it can take a while).
>
> CDBaby does at least some of this content ID stuff also. They also put
> your stuff on YouTube for you! I had no idea! My CDBaby album tracks
> are already on YouTube! If you want to see them, just search for
> "Michael Gogins" in YouTube. Make sure it's "Gogins" not "Goggins".
>
> I went ahead and opted in for CDBaby to manage ad revenues for my
> CDBaby albums, and to administer my ASCAP rights for those albums.
> There was no fee but they will take a cut of my revenues.
>
> I may also upload things directly to YouTube.
>
> Too complex! IANAL! (I am not a lawyer!).
>
> I may have more to say on this as I learn more in the coming months.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 6:52 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>  wrote:
>> Thanks for correcting my use of terms, it was not correct to use the
>> terms copyright organization. TONO is a performing rights organization
>> like ASCAP. So, I would expect the reyalties to be collected likewise
>> for TONO registered compositions as ASCAP registered compositions, and
>> equally for similar organizations covering other territories. Do you
>> have information that says it is handled differently with ASCAP than
>> with other performing rights organizations? The reason I ask is that
>> it would be quite impractical for a non-US composer to register with
>> ASCAP, and pay tax  to the US for the royalties earned on YouTube
>> since the streams might have been listened to in any territory.
>>
>> On a side note:
>> Talking of this, I'm not actually sure how this is handled tax-wise in
>> any case. If my music is streamed in the US, and I receive payment for
>> this in Norway, the actual transaction to the customer could be seens
>> as a US transaction(?). AFAIK this is something not fully defined
>> formally, and the streaming companies currently do their best to avoid
>> taxation in any case or any territory. Like also with "sharing"
>> services like AirBnb, where the tax regulations have been flaky, but
>> seem to be finding more formal definitions as this kind of business
>> flourish.
>>
>> 2016-12-02 15:26 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
>>> This is not quite correct. YouTube and ASCAP and the content ID
>>> services cooperate in distributing BOTH advertising revenues AND
>>> regular old mechanical royalties.
>>>
>>> ASCAP is not a copyright service, it is a performance rights
>>> organization. The United States Copyright Office is the copyright
>>> service. Of course for ASCAP to be able to perform its services, the
>>> author, the publisher, and the performers must register their
>>> copyrights with the Copyright Office.
>>>
>>> I agree that YouTube has some sort of machinery in place to enforce
>>> performance rights, at least when copyright holders complain, and to
>>> collect and distribute royalties and ad revenues. However, another
>>> whole issue is of course the paltry amount of the royalties. They
>>> could be much higher without injuring social media, recording
>>> companies, publishers, or audiences, in my opinion. On the other hand,
>>> it is undoubtedly true that the low royalties lower the bar to entry
>>> to the distribution system.
>>>
>>> I think it's good that we're talking about these issues.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>> Michael Gogins
>>> Irreducible Productions
>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I looked into this a bit, and the copyright holder can be a member of
>>>> his/her local/national copyrights organization. For example, for us in
>>>> Norway, this is TONO. The royalties collected from YouTube will
>>>> automatically be registered to your TONO account. But you *must* of
>>>> course register the work with your national copyrights
>>>> organization(ASCAP, TONO ...), and be careful to use the same title of
>>>> the work when publising on YouTube as the one that is registered.
>>>> And as I can read from Tono's website
>>>> (http://www.tono.no/faq-items/avregning-fra-youtube/), the royalties
>>>> comes from advertisement that YouTube "wraps around" your content. So
>>>> the content itself does not create royalties, just the advertisement
>>>> income. I guess this works ok in most cases, but I'm not sure how they
>>>> handle it for YouTube Red (ad-free) streams. Also, not sure if it
>>>> matters if the listener clicks "skip ad" or not?
>>>> But the basic system seems to be in place to take care of our rights there.
>>>> Oeyvind
>>>>
>>>> 2016-12-02 11:38 GMT-08:00 Michael Gogins :
>>>>> No, it is global, more or less, via mutual agreements. But perhaps you
>>>>> meant can foreigners join. Yes if they fill out appropriate US tax
>>>>> forms W-9 and W-8BEN, no otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Michael Gogins
>>>>> Irreducible Productions
>>>>> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
>>>>> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:23 PM, jpff  wrote:
>>>>>> I assume ASCAP is USA only?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>>>> Professor of Music Technology
>>>> NTNU
>>>> 7491 Trondheim
>>>> Norway
>>>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>>>
>>>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>>>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>>>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>>>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>>>> http://flyndresang.no/
>>>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Oeyvind Brandtsegg
>> Professor of Music Technology
>> NTNU
>> 7491 Trondheim
>> Norway
>> Cell: +47 92 203 205
>>
>> http://www.partikkelaudio.com/
>> http://crossadaptive.hf.ntnu.no
>> http://gdsp.hf.ntnu.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/brandtsegg
>> http://flyndresang.no/
>> http://soundcloud.com/t-emp
>>
>> Csound mailing list
>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>> Send bugs reports to
>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

A follow-up on this discussion. I have found an easy way to create MP4
videos that will upload to YouTube with high-resolution audio, an
automatically created spectrogram with title and composer and
copyright notice, and metadata. It is a Python script that calls sox
to create the spectrogram and ffmpeg to create the video and add the
metadata. A cut-down version of my script, which doesn't run as is but
could easily be fixed by filling in variables, is:

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
import datetime
import os
import os.path
import string
import sys
import time

sox_path = r'C:\Program_Files_x86\sox-14-4-2'
# YouTube accepts MOV, MP4 (MPEG4), AVI, WMV, FLV, 3GP, MPEGPS, WebM
# To use FFmpeg see https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168433
and https://www.virag.si/2015/06/encoding-videos-for-youtube-with-ffmpeg/
# ffmpeg -loop 1 -framerate 2 -i input.png -i audio.ogg -c:v libx264
-preset medium -tune stillimage -crf 18 -c:a copy -shortest -pix_fmt
yuv420p output.mkv
# ffmpeg -i  -codec:v libx264 -crf 21 -bf 2 -flags +cgop
-pix_fmt yuv420p -codec:a aac -strict -2 -b:a 384k -r:a 48000
-movflags faststart .mp4
ffmpeg_program = r'''C:\Program_Files\ffmpeg-3.2-win64-shared\bin\ffmpeg.exe'''
# ffmpeg tags are documented here:
http://jonhall.info/how_to/create_id3_tags_using_ffmpeg

sox_spectrogram_command = '''%s\\sox -S "%s" -n spectrogram -o "%s"
-t"%s" -c"%s"''' % (sox_path, master_filename, spectrogram_filename,
label, str_copyright + ' (Irreducible Productions, ASCAP)')
print 'sox_spectrogram_command:', sox_spectrogram_command
os.system(sox_spectrogram_command)
mp4_metadata =  '-metadata title="%s" ' % title
mp4_metadata += '-metadata album="%s" ' % album
mp4_metadata += '-metadata date="%s" ' % year
mp4_metadata += '-metadata track="%s" ' % track
mp4_metadata += '-metadata genre="%s" ' % "Electroacoustic Music"
mp4_metadata += '-metadata publisher="%s" ' % 'Irreducible Productions, ASCAP'
str_copyright          = 'Copyright (C) %s by Michael Gogins' % year
mp4_metadata += '-metadata copyright="%s" ' % str_copyright
mp4_metadata += '-metadata composer="%s" ' % 'Michael Gogins'
mp4_metadata += '-metadata artist="%s" ' % 'Michael Gogins'
mp4_command = '''"%s" -y -loop 1 -framerate 2 -i "%s" -i "%s" -c:v
libx264 -preset medium -tune stillimage -crf 18 -codec:a aac -strict
-2 -b:a 384k -r:a 48000 -shortest -pix_fmt yuv420p -vf
"scale=trunc(iw/2)*2:trunc(ih/2)*2" %s "%s"''' % (ffmpeg_program,
os.path.join(cwd, spectrogram_filename), os.path.join(cwd,
master_filename), mp4_metadata, os.path.join(cwd, mp4_filename))
mp4_command = mp4_command.replace('\\', '/')
print 'mp4_command:            ', mp4_command
# Limited length for os.system command, so...
with open('temp.bat', 'w') as f:
    f.write(mp4_command)
    f.write('\n')
    f.close()
os.system('temp.bat')
filecount = filecount + 1
os.system('del *wavuntagged.wav')

Regards,
Mike

-----------------------------------------------------
Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
> The big advantage of YouTube is that, even if only at a low royalty rate, it
> protects the rights of the musicians and could earn them a little money.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 6:12 AM, "Richard van Bemmelen"  wrote:
>>
>> Or we could make our own site, then we have complete control over it.
>> There must be enough software people in our midst that could do that.
>> Nowadays there are so many options to create a good looking site with not
>> much effort.
>> We could decide on the technology (Django/Python, ASP .NET, NodeJs, etc)
>> and the hosting.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On 02/12/16 17:40, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>
>> That's a good point, we need to check that out.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, PMA  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've got to urge that, before going the YouTube route,
>>> y'all read closely their contributor's-agreement spec,
>>> which strikes me as throwing our copyrights virtually
>>> to the wolves.
>>>
>>> Not to claim that I'm other than naïve on this subject.
>>>
>>> - Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/02/2016 11:21 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
>>>> was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
>>>> give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
>>>> don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of
>>>>> reposts. so
>>>>> the account can contain only reposts
>>>>> and serve as a group..
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that
>>>>>> account
>>>>>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>>>>>> playlist on the page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>>>>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>>>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>>           https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>>>> features can
>>>>>> be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>>> features can
>>>>> be posted here
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> be posted here
>>
>>
>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>> be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Thanks very much for sharing this script Michael!

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Michael Gogins
 wrote:
> A follow-up on this discussion. I have found an easy way to create MP4
> videos that will upload to YouTube with high-resolution audio, an
> automatically created spectrogram with title and composer and
> copyright notice, and metadata. It is a Python script that calls sox
> to create the spectrogram and ffmpeg to create the video and add the
> metadata. A cut-down version of my script, which doesn't run as is but
> could easily be fixed by filling in variables, is:
>
> # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
> import datetime
> import os
> import os.path
> import string
> import sys
> import time
>
> sox_path = r'C:\Program_Files_x86\sox-14-4-2'
> # YouTube accepts MOV, MP4 (MPEG4), AVI, WMV, FLV, 3GP, MPEGPS, WebM
> # To use FFmpeg see https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=168433
> and https://www.virag.si/2015/06/encoding-videos-for-youtube-with-ffmpeg/
> # ffmpeg -loop 1 -framerate 2 -i input.png -i audio.ogg -c:v libx264
> -preset medium -tune stillimage -crf 18 -c:a copy -shortest -pix_fmt
> yuv420p output.mkv
> # ffmpeg -i  -codec:v libx264 -crf 21 -bf 2 -flags +cgop
> -pix_fmt yuv420p -codec:a aac -strict -2 -b:a 384k -r:a 48000
> -movflags faststart .mp4
> ffmpeg_program = r'''C:\Program_Files\ffmpeg-3.2-win64-shared\bin\ffmpeg.exe'''
> # ffmpeg tags are documented here:
> http://jonhall.info/how_to/create_id3_tags_using_ffmpeg
>
> sox_spectrogram_command = '''%s\\sox -S "%s" -n spectrogram -o "%s"
> -t"%s" -c"%s"''' % (sox_path, master_filename, spectrogram_filename,
> label, str_copyright + ' (Irreducible Productions, ASCAP)')
> print 'sox_spectrogram_command:', sox_spectrogram_command
> os.system(sox_spectrogram_command)
> mp4_metadata =  '-metadata title="%s" ' % title
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata album="%s" ' % album
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata date="%s" ' % year
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata track="%s" ' % track
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata genre="%s" ' % "Electroacoustic Music"
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata publisher="%s" ' % 'Irreducible Productions, ASCAP'
> str_copyright          = 'Copyright (C) %s by Michael Gogins' % year
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata copyright="%s" ' % str_copyright
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata composer="%s" ' % 'Michael Gogins'
> mp4_metadata += '-metadata artist="%s" ' % 'Michael Gogins'
> mp4_command = '''"%s" -y -loop 1 -framerate 2 -i "%s" -i "%s" -c:v
> libx264 -preset medium -tune stillimage -crf 18 -codec:a aac -strict
> -2 -b:a 384k -r:a 48000 -shortest -pix_fmt yuv420p -vf
> "scale=trunc(iw/2)*2:trunc(ih/2)*2" %s "%s"''' % (ffmpeg_program,
> os.path.join(cwd, spectrogram_filename), os.path.join(cwd,
> master_filename), mp4_metadata, os.path.join(cwd, mp4_filename))
> mp4_command = mp4_command.replace('\\', '/')
> print 'mp4_command:            ', mp4_command
> # Limited length for os.system command, so...
> with open('temp.bat', 'w') as f:
>     f.write(mp4_command)
>     f.write('\n')
>     f.close()
> os.system('temp.bat')
> filecount = filecount + 1
> os.system('del *wavuntagged.wav')
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Michael Gogins
> Irreducible Productions
> http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
> Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> The big advantage of YouTube is that, even if only at a low royalty rate, it
>> protects the rights of the musicians and could earn them a little money.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 6:12 AM, "Richard van Bemmelen"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Or we could make our own site, then we have complete control over it.
>>> There must be enough software people in our midst that could do that.
>>> Nowadays there are so many options to create a good looking site with not
>>> much effort.
>>> We could decide on the technology (Django/Python, ASP .NET, NodeJs, etc)
>>> and the hosting.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/12/16 17:40, Dave Seidel wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a good point, we need to check that out.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, PMA  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've got to urge that, before going the YouTube route,
>>>> y'all read closely their contributor's-agreement spec,
>>>> which strikes me as throwing our copyrights virtually
>>>> to the wolves.
>>>>
>>>> Not to claim that I'm other than naïve on this subject.
>>>>
>>>> - Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2016 11:21 AM, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Reviving this thread, one of the discussions we had at the conference
>>>>> was maybe doing a Youtube playlist rather than SoundCloud.  This would
>>>>> give some options then to also include tutorial and demo videos.  I
>>>>> don't know if that should be an only option or just one of multiple.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Anton Kholomiov
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 for SC account. as far as I know they don;t limit the time of
>>>>>> reposts. so
>>>>>> the account can contain only reposts
>>>>>> and serve as a group..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-11-19 20:24 GMT+03:00 Dave Seidel :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe consider creating a new SC account for Csound, and use that
>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>> to build up one or more playlists. Then we can just point to the new
>>>>>>> playlist on the page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:39 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fandalism? They also have a group feature. At Fandalism you can post
>>>>>>>> Youtube or SoundCloud clips.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://fandalism.com/groups/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Richard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19/11/16 15:23, Steven Yi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Sorry, pressed send accidentally)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://csound.github.io/listen.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It seems like we should have some sort of group or playlist or
>>>>>>>>> something that shares music for our community.  Suggestions?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> steven
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Steven Yi 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Since SoundCloud removed their groups feature, we have a dead part
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> our site:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>>>           https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>>>>> features can
>>>>>>> be posted here
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and
>>>>>> features can
>>>>>> be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Csound mailing list
>>>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>>> be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>>> be posted here
>
> Csound mailing list
> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
> Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Csound mailing list
Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
Send bugs reports to
        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here